JCOVE Lite for free

[Tonci87]

Well Yes I´m not kidding
Have a look here
http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f11-off-topic-discussion/68108-vbs2-jcove-lite.html

or if you speak German here:
http://armed-assault.de/news/vbs2-jcove-lite.html

Its only the light Version, so don´t expect too much. But we have the FLIR included that will be in OPA so its definately worth trying it out


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[b0b]

http://www.jcove-lite.co.uk/

;)

There will be a direct download from the site soon by all accounts.

[Snafu]

Interesting. Thanks for the heads up.

This is 100% legit?

[richiespeed13]

Yep it seems that way.

[Zipper5]

Wow, this is awesome! Already registered and am downloading now! :D

[anc]

Thanks a lot, you have made my day!

Registering right now.

Best regards.

[Alex72]

Deffo checking this out when i get home. :) Nice find.

[Takko]

Now I think people do not have to yell for the brits to come
in Arrowhead

[Alex72]

I just wanted to check out the FLIR really (if its there). I played ArmA1 from day one so i dont need to check that. :)

[Alex72]

Is it possible for someone that downloaded it via torrent to share the torrent file (small one)? Im not sure how that stuff works but cant hurt asking. If someone has downed it via torrent then maybe he/she can share it.

Just an idea - if even possible.

[Tonci87]

AS I said its just a LITE version. Its only supposed for advertising. The UK military uses it to gain new recriuts, as the americans do with Americas Army.

[txalin]

Wooho!!

[Heatseeker]

Well, i'd trade visual quality for quality performance any day so that wont stop me from checking it out, it should atleast perform well. Other than that i dont expect it to be all that diferent from the first Armed Assault so its ok.

[NoRailgunner]

Take a look on VBS2 v1.3 ;)
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...and VBS2 is not developed by BIS - it is developed by BIA.
...and VBS2 is not developed for entertainment.

But we all hope and cross fingers that some of those features will find a way to Arma2 and OA. :mwah:

[jasonnoguchi]

Seriously, I don't get it, how is VBS different from ArmA? In fact, from the screenies, the interface looks like the one in ArmA1. Some one enlighten me?

[sparks50]

I just wanted to check out the FLIR really (if its there).

Its there. (at least in the version I downloaded). Anyway, I think this should be in offtopic.

[raedor]

Take a look on VBS2 v1.3 ;)

...and VBS2 is not developed by BIS - it is developed by BIA.
...and VBS2 is not developed for entertainment.

But we all hope and cross fingers that some of those features will find a way to Arma2 and OA. :mwah:

Note that this video depicts features from VBS2 1.3 and other toolsets, so nearly nothing of what you see there is available in JCOVE Lite.

Please only discuss JCOVE Lite here and not VBS2-only features.

Moving.

[DenisRUS]

MMMMM.........Shooting from vehicles...Sweet dreams, sweet dreams...

Downloading. Does anyone know is possible to play it on LAN?

[BogdanM]

Does anyone know how to set up the UAVs? There isn't any manual for the lite version...

[Planck]

Documentation:

http://www.jcove-lite.co.uk/index.php?pageid=documentation


Planck

[[DirTyDeeDs]-Ziggy-]

framerate is off the hook! I enjoy the real Samawah terrain/environment! CQB paradise!

[Heatseeker]

Well.. the idea is kind of cool and everything but the distribution and instalation seems a bit dodgy. The bad part is that VBS doesnt need or use dedicated servers and as such neither does this build (no server browser either).. also no custom content or editing tools other than missions (obvious reasons).
So the value compared to Arma or Arma 2 is rather low, even if its free.

[Pathy]

Very interesting to see this happen. Glad they made it free. Nice to see the UK content being made widely available too. ;)

Edit: Don't forget, the Chally2 (http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=87744), landrovers (http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=88258) and weapons (http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=87669) are already in ArmA2, and more (http://www.pukf.net/forum/index.php) to come.

[HotShot]

The website did indeed appear suspect, but if its legit Wolle, than downloading!
The Australian MOD did something similiar for VBS1, Australians in Vietnam (http://games.on.net/article/1093/Australians_In_Vietnam/). Also I'm not sure if it ever got released by I think they were at least going to give recruits VBS1 Lite (http://www.virtualbattlespace.com/images/PR_vbs1lite.jpg) as well.

[BogdanM]

Documentation:

http://www.jcove-lite.co.uk/index.php?pageid=documentation


Planck

Thanks. Unfortunately the UAV is not very useful without certain the VBS2 features.

Seeing the FLIR in action got me excited about OA. I also love the object draw distance feature. This free version really has a lot to offer.

[Zipper5]

It's ok, I guess. It has some nice stuff, but it's only UK stuff, which is to be expected considering it's coming from the MOD. It's a taste of what VBS2 is for free, and I'm very happy to have had it. However, I don't think I'm all that interested in VBS2 anymore after trying it. It has some nice features, but it's not a game, unlike ArmA II. It can be pretty boring. But it's a $1000+ simulator, and ArmA II is a $40+ simulator, for good reason.

Still, I applaud the guys behind it for giving us a taste of VBS2 for free.

[Snafu]

Snafu
Yes it's 100% legit, no worries. :)

Great. :cool:


The website did indeed appear suspect, but if its legit Wolle, than downloading!
The Australian MOD did something similiar for VBS1, Australians in Vietnam (http://games.on.net/article/1093/Australians_In_Vietnam/). Also I'm not sure if it ever got released by I think they were at least going to give recruits VBS1 Lite (http://www.virtualbattlespace.com/images/PR_vbs1lite.jpg) as well.

I posted on a video of Australians in Vietnam on YouTube asking about its release and was actually contacted by one of the development staff, at least I think it was a developer.

I deleted that account so I don't have the PM anymore but it was developed for the ADF only, the public release was scrapped IIRC.

[th3flyboy]

Honestly, I would like to see UK gear in OA, but this can tide me over for OA :)

Hell if it's good enough, I may look in to VBS 2 when I have a job :)

[Takko]

Things I like:

Vehicles under Water don't explode-They just get infunctional

Civilian vehicles got backwards light

If you release the reverse key, the car will still go on and wont stop
immediately

[Binkowski]

I might download this to try it, and next week pick up the real thing. .mil email address' can do wondrous things ;).

[NouberNou]

Would love to get a torrent of this. The direct download site was going at 30KBps and was going to take 15 hours... :(

Tried one of the torrents I found but it has no seeders, but another forums said there was 30 seeders earlier today...

That or rapidshare links.

[ShadowY]

you can use that torrent but it starts slow thats probably the reason why it says no seeders and leechers.

edit.
I read that the torrent is in poor condition ...in between 40-90 seconds it should start to show seeders and leechers.

[Alex72]

Seriously, I don't get it, how is VBS different from ArmA? In fact, from the screenies, the interface looks like the one in ArmA1. Some one enlighten me?

Should be about the same, but isnt VBS more bugfree? Just something ive read over the years. Dont know about this public version though and like i said before - me wanna test the FLIR. :)

[wika_woo]

wow, i cant believe it... Big up for sharing this :)

[HotShot]

I had a go with it, but uninstalled now. Because I can't use the Proper OFP Vegetation its too slow on my computer and couldn't do much. However it did seem quite cool and I liked the way you could 'Interact' with the vehicles and change position easily, shoot from the cargo like with the Vector, or have loads from some helicopters. Ready made rock-throwing crowds was nice too along with various other things which set it apart from ArmA. The apwt training mission was also realisticly boring...
Overall, as far as I know, VBS2 is different to ArmA in its additional scripting possibilities and modules (AAR, Loadmaster, etc)

[Kristian]

downloaded this, but after unraring there is just some 4Gb .NRG-file, that I do not know how to interact with, please advice :)

[b0b]

downloaded this, but after unraring there is just some 4Gb .NRG-file, that I do not know how to interact with, please advice :)

NRG= Nero Disc image

Youll have to either....
Install Daemon tools and mount the image to install it.
OR
Unpack the image with the likes of winrar or again mount and extract with daemon tools then install from HD.

[Schancky]

downloaded this, but after unraring there is just some 4Gb .NRG-file, that I do not know how to interact with, please advice :)

Download something called DAEMON TOOLS LITE

then once installed, re-boot comp.

It should then automatically load up in the task tray. RIGHT click on it, go to VIRTUAL DEVICES, DEVICE 0, MOUNT IMAGE. The browse for your .NRG file. It should then install.

Schancky

[Kremec]

Thanks for the mirrors, Taxman. Downloading. :)

[domox]

There is a healthy torrent available until the JCOVE team posts a link to the new mirror. Sign up on their forum and PM this user name in their forum for the new torrent.

---------- Post added at 06:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:14 PM ----------

Fresh mirrors are up and a link to the torrent are also posted on the JCOVE site. It should be much easier to grab the installer now.

[wika_woo]

It would be really good if there were better mirrors though, maybe someone could upload one somewhere, if they have downloaded it?..

fileplay's been taking all day :confused:

[HotShot]

wika_woo, these are from the unofficial website:

Torrent:
http://dl.psyphon.com/jcovelite.torrent

Direct:
http://dl.psyphon.com/jcovelite.rar
http://www.armaleague.com/vbs2/jcovelite.rar
http://www.sbs-clan.co.uk/vbs2/jcovelite.rar
ftp://81.19.223.207/jcovelite.rar

EDIT: And if those mirrors still have it in the .nrg format (why?!?!) you will need the set up tutorial, which can be found here (http://www.jcove-lite.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/installing-and-troubleshooting-12.html).

[Takko]

In case you want to see terrain deformation you
can also check it

I'm done with it now. Its nice for militaries for sure

[wika_woo]

wika_woo, these are from the unofficial website:


Thanks a bunch :cool:

[Big Dawg KS]

Thanks for those additional mirrors.

[NouberNou]

There is one thing I must replicate.... That is the lens on the lensatic compass....


If someone from BIS wants to put me out of my misery and tell me there is some fundamental missing technology there (like rotating textures?) then please do... :p


Otherwise... must... replicate! :D

[Richey79]

This. I tested it myself and it is pretty much this. Althought the city is big and it has working FLIR, but the models are so-so, and the cockpits are horrible. Id stick with A2+ACE2

Personally, I was pleasantly surprised by it. I thought that I'd long since passed on from A1 and that the limited range of stuff would be a fun-killer.

Sure, the missions included are ultra-dull, but I really like the map that's included. I'm presuming they put it together from satellite images, rather than creating a 'good level'. The infantry models for the Brits are a bit lacking, although the heavy body armour model (kestrel?) is pretty funky looking. The Brit vehicles are really nicely modelled, IMO. The whole vehicle system is an improvement on the Arma system, and even the insurgent vehicles have a slightly nicer feel to them, even though they're very similar to the A1 ones (hard to put my finger on it).

Stuff like the buck-shot rounds for under-slung GLs are pretty sweet, too. I was really surprised by how well-done the 'stress effect' is when you come under fire. Stun grenades, too.

It is annoying that it lacks that smoothness you get with Arma 2's use of multi-core tech. I'll be keeping it installed for those times when I want to play around with the UK units, though. It was nice to be able to play around with a version of VBS2 and realise that, fun as it is, it doesn't really offer much more for the average Arma2 player than the 'game'.

[4 IN 1]

I still dont understand the point for saying "the model is crap" or "the mission is suck" etc when come to VBS2, it is clear that its not aim for normal gaming market and eye candys should be the last thing to be bothered with

[DMarkwick]

VBS2 is designed to teach procedure, not to entertain or impress. Sometimes those procedures need to be in specific places, hence the hurriedly put together maps with low terrain detail.

[W0lle]

Exactly. The goal of VBS2 was never to impress gamers with uber-detailed vehicles, units or weapons, it's not even supposed to act as something to entertain. Yes compared to ArmA2 (and even ArmA1) it looks like crap but for the only purpose (military training) it exactly does what it's supposed to. For that purpose it's important that a tank is driving and firing, it doesn't matter if all screws, nuts and bolts are visible and at the correct place.

That said I also don't get those negative comments at all. :rolleyes:

[Tonci87]

Agree on that. Its a really nice thing if you see it as what it actually is. A military training simulation

[Heatseeker]

Is this the Iraq map included in jcove?
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I think all those buildings were still from vbs1, doesnt look that bad actually.

Imagining a city with that density using Arma 2's trees and buildings... -30 fps? :crazy: .

[DM]

Is this the Iraq map included in jcove?

Yup, As Samawah

[sparks50]

Posting some pics from Samawah while messing about in JCOVE editor.

I crowded a street, and placed some terrorists and a pickup truck in the middle of it.
http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee327/sparks50banan/th_VBS2_LITE2010-02-0422-03-39-79.jpg (http://s532.photobucket.com/albums/ee327/sparks50banan/?action=view&current=VBS2_LITE2010-02-0422-03-39-79.jpg)

The AI surprised me by immediately making them jump into the truck and drive away(perhaps not so strange, with me being in a Apache helicopter over them)

http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee327/sparks50banan/th_VBS2_LITE2010-02-0422-03-45-67.jpg (http://s532.photobucket.com/albums/ee327/sparks50banan/?action=view&current=VBS2_LITE2010-02-0422-03-45-67.jpg)

http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee327/sparks50banan/th_VBS2_LITE2010-02-0422-03-49-07.jpg (http://s532.photobucket.com/albums/ee327/sparks50banan/?action=view&current=VBS2_LITE2010-02-0422-03-49-07.jpg)

[sparks50]

Breaking every traffic law there is:p
http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee327/sparks50banan/th_VBS2_LITE2010-02-0422-03-54-46.jpg (http://s532.photobucket.com/albums/ee327/sparks50banan/?action=view&current=VBS2_LITE2010-02-0422-03-54-46.jpg)

So I lit em up with the 30 mm:681:
http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee327/sparks50banan/th_VBS2_LITE2010-02-0422-03-58-56.jpg (http://s532.photobucket.com/albums/ee327/sparks50banan/?action=view&current=VBS2_LITE2010-02-0422-03-58-56.jpg)

[sparks50]

Welcome to my future police state:rolleyes:

http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee327/sparks50banan/th_VBS2_LITE2010-02-0422-04-07-79.jpg (http://s532.photobucket.com/albums/ee327/sparks50banan/?action=view&current=VBS2_LITE2010-02-0422-04-07-79.jpg)


(Trippel post to avoid image limit)

[Mr Burns]

How did you get the laser range finder to work? :eek:

FLIR is really great, but i found it to be teh suck that imapcts don´t show up in it. Hope that´s changed in OA! *hint

[DM]

How did you get the laser range finder to work?

The 'F' key is your friend :cool:

[Mr Burns]

Ahaaa, thx alot! And i thought you were not here to help :D

[Ballistic09]

How did you get the laser range finder to work? :eek:
Press 'F' and it will find the range, and automatically adjust the weapon elevation to hit the target... it's pretty neat.:cool:

[Big Dawg KS]

Anyone have a full list of what features are (and which aren't) included in this lite version?

Also what about a comref? Does JCOVE-lite include the same command set as full VBS2?

[Mr Burns]

Things i don´t wanna miss anymore:

FLIR! - both white/black & green/black :286:
Commander override for turrets (it´s not like we didn´t want it before)
LRF (though off with Chally & Apache, T72 hits much better)
Weight system (carry up to 30kg, no matter what)

Still trying to find a weapon with laser attached - manual says hit L key but haven´t found appropiate weapon yet.
Also might add stun grenades to above list once we´ve come around testing it in coop & PvP - same goes for IED´s once someone got them to work, and friggin sling loads / fast roping - if those features are even included.



Also what about a comref? Does JCOVE-lite include the same command set as full VBS2?

Only tested setBMI and setHeight and those two didn´t work, or i was too stoopid, but copy/paste from the biki shouldn´t be that hard - so i think they stripped some of the commands out.

[Richey79]

Only tested setBMI and setHeight and those two didn´t work, or i was too stoopid, but copy/paste from the biki shouldn´t be that hard - so i think they stripped some of the commands out.

This sounds ridiculous, but I thought I read one of the mods on the JCOVE Lite forum saying that it was the copy/paste function that wasn't implemented.

[DM]

LRF (though off with Chally & Apache, T72 hits much better)
Theres a bug in both the Challenger and Apache models which causes the LRF to be off, its been fixed in full VBS, but not in JCOVE lite :(


Still trying to find a weapon with laser attached - manual says hit L key but haven´t found appropiate weapon yet.
None of the Brit weapons in JCOVE (or VBS2 full) have lasers, we can only hope that either the Laser Light Module (http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/index.php?lang=3&fid=2174) or the new RIS forward (which also comes with acog, grip and lasers) get added at some point.


Only tested setBMI and setHeight and those two didn´t work, or i was too stoopid, but copy/paste from the biki shouldn´t be that hard - so i think they stripped some of the commands out.
Keep an eye on the version numbers listed in the wiki. setBMI and setHeight were added around 1.3, JCOVE Lite is something like 1.2

[Nazul]

I was playing the defend mission and seemed to be near the end of it when i got a BSOD for no apparent reason. My pc never gets BSOD so now im a bit scared to reload the game.
Arma2 is a much better more polished experience, now Ive tried it.

[PuFu]

anyone got those hellfires to lock on self LD targets - AH64?
i thought the FCS and weapons sys in VBS should be a bit more...real than in A1/2

[Tonci87]

Well remember that this is only the lite Version. There might be Features that aren´t working.

[Eble]

anyone got those hellfires to lock on self LD targets - AH64?
i thought the FCS and weapons sys in VBS should be a bit more...real than in A1/2

I was messing about as the gunner in the apache and just aim at a building pressed fire the hellfire went sort of straight at the target.

I didn;'t really know what I was doing I think it just follows what your point at, I didn't have a target box or anything come up.

[Kr3v]

Anyone have a full list of what features are (and which aren't) included in this lite version?

Yeah, it would be interesting to see a comparative between ArmA2/VBS lite/VBS2. I personaly love what I've played, it's a great present from BiS.

[DM]

Yeah, it would be interesting to see a comparative between ArmA2/VBS lite/VBS2.

It would make more "sense" (in as much as it doesnt really make sense to compare them) to compare with ArmA1, since thats the engine VBS is based on.

[sparks50]

I think we all would like to see a tighter cooperation between BI and BIA.

Perhaps in the fourth generation of Real Virtuality? If there will be a fourth generation? :)

Anyway, its great to see BI allowing the JCOVE DVDs to copied and shared. Its a nice little peek into VBS.

[Chops]

Maybe because it's 'cool' to 'borrow' stuff from copyrighted work, How do you say that in French?

I wonder how many of the features in JCOVE will be in Operation Arrowhead?

[Spooky Lynx]

So, my 2 cents about JCOVE:
1) much more optimised engine - with all graphic settings rised to max levels I have 80-85 fps in missions, only dream in A1 and A2 :)
2) great map - I would be very happy to see such large and well-made desert terrain in ArmA
3) armor units have lots of very useful features
4) infantry models, sadly, are looking like those in OFP
5) but armor and air units look great
P.S. I hope that the miracle will happen and all the features of free JCOVE will be implemented in paid ArmA1/ArmA2.

[da12thMonkey]

So, my 2 cents about JCOVE:
1) much more optimised engine - with all graphic settings rised to max levels I have 80-85 fps in missions, only dream in A1 and A2 :)


This 'optimisation' is simply a matter of removing most shaders (no normal maps or specular maps), and having lower resolution textures. AFAIK JCOVE/VBS2 doesn't benefit from any other optimisation tricks that we haven't got implemented for the ArmA series, besides this graphical amputation.

[sparks50]

Not to mention that maps have a lot less objects per km2 than Chernarus has. Run maps with similar detail in Arma 2, and your FPS would mirror this.

[Kr3v]

But the large city is more interesting (imho) than any other city or town in ArmA 2 . It's large, the architecture is different, buildings are enterables, and it runs at 60fps, not at 25. I personaly don't play ArmA for its graphics, do you ?

[andersson]

This 'optimisation' is simply a matter of removing most shaders (no normal maps or specular maps), and having lower resolution textures. AFAIK JCOVE/VBS2 doesn't benefit from any other optimisation tricks that we haven't got implemented for the ArmA series, besides this graphical amputation.

True. If anyone dont care about grafics there are alot of good tweaks in kju's PROPER thread that makes the game more ugly but takes away stuff that make it more easy on the computer.
Remove high reaolution LODs, remove specular maps, disable postprocessing, remove clutter. All that can be used to get the same effect in arma as you are experiencing in JCOVE.
If a usermade island is released with the same features you will have alot of FPS in arma2; fairly flat terrain, not much clutter or objects and objects/models without normal maps/specular maps.
I wouldnt call that optimization though.

[NeMeSiS]

Not to mention that maps have a lot less objects per km2 than Chernarus has. Run maps with similar detail in Arma 2, and your FPS would mirror this.

Guess why OA takes place in the desert? :D

Installing now, lets see how much the AI effects the FPS which is much more interesting to know IMO. Though i expect it to be the same.

[Spooky Lynx]

Didn't notice much differences between A1 and JCOVE graphics.

Not to mention that maps have a lot less objects per km2 than Chernarus has. Run maps with similar detail in Arma 2, and your FPS would mirror this.
I doubt that the same map even with that amount of objects in A1 or A2 will give the same FPS, that JCOVE has. Just simple comparison: I've never got 80+ FPS in Avgani with removed clutter and low/medium settings.

[sparks50]

Spooky: It doesn't mean that Arma 2 demands exactly the same as JCOVE, it means that it is a factor in the performance.

[Pathy]

Yes, but as 12thMonkey pointed out, thats simply because there are no normal maps or specular maps in VBS2/JCOVE. Gamers tend to demand such things as shiny pretty things. The military don't tend to care so long as it's functional and looks more or less like it should. Ie, you couldn't take the 'optimisation' (read: Removal of most of the shaders) from JCOVE and apply it to ArmA2, because most of us would complain about the crap lighting effects....

[ricbar89]

Just had a look, pretty good.

BIS said the FLIR system from VBS will be in OA correct? Hope so, the VBS FLIR is brilliant, and ARMA really needs FLIR if it wants to be considered a proper MilSim.

[Spooky Lynx]

Yes, but as 12thMonkey pointed out, thats simply because there are no normal maps or specular maps in VBS2/JCOVE. Gamers tend to demand such things as shiny pretty things. The military don't tend to care so long as it's functional and looks more or less like it should. Ie, you couldn't take the 'optimisation' (read: Removal of most of the shaders) from JCOVE and apply it to ArmA2, because most of us would complain about the crap lighting effects....

Hmm... I've tried to set shaders quality to minimum in A1 and got worse FPS results than in JCOVE (with playing both in urban area) again. So, I suppose that the matter is not only in normal and specular maps.

[raedor]

Spooky Lynx, JCOVE just has less visual quality, smaller textures, less polys, less shaders (less objects). There's no mighty magic used by BISim to make JCOVE's performance better than ArmA1's. You can doubt that, but it doesn't change the fact, you can read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology#Acquiring_knowledge), this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth#Substantive_theories) or this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality) if it helps (and this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_view)!). Did you try to play ArmA1 with and without Keg's Lowplants? -- And now take this effect for ALL objects, and add "less polys" and "smaller textures" and you'll have the same result as you see in JCOVE. And no, none of the additional JCOVE features will be ported to ArmA1, as it requires a LOT of work and I doubt that there's someone willing to pay the programmers, designers and artists to do all that work. Sorry, that does not sound nice, but that's how it is (maybe this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schopenhauer) can help you now ;)).

ricbar89, afaik they didn't say that JCOVE's FLIR is in OA, they just said that there will be FLIR in OA, without specifing which (by that I'm of course not saying that it won't be as good as JCOVE's, though!).

[TimRiceSE]

ricbar89, afaik they didn't say that JCOVE's FLIR is in OA, they just said that there will be FLIR in OA, without specifing which (by that I'm of course not saying that it won't be as good as JCOVE's, though!).

Just quoting Wolle from the old OA Q&A thread from last year..



Is there going to be a functional FLIR system out of the box (everything has heat based textures)
BIS: Yes, there will be a FLIR system. We have one of the most sophisticated FLIR simulation systems already done for VBS2 and we will bring it in Arrowhead to fans of ArmA II too.

[raedor]

Just quoting Wolle from the old OA Q&A thread from last year..

Well, this sentence doesn't say too much, as it is unclear if "it" in the last part means "the FLIR of VBS2" or "FLIR in general" ;) (The quote still doesn't say that it is 100% the same ...) Anyway, there will be FLIR in OA, I think that's the important part.

[RicoADF]

If it were, don't you think P:UKF might have released it all by now?
Not if the contract of making them meant you weren't allowed to use the models in any mod.

[DM]

The renderer for JCOVE looks to me to have more in common with OFP than ArmA or ArmA 2
Seriously? :j:


Not if the contract of making them meant you weren't allowed to use the models in any mod.
Which is why UKF have already released some of it...

Wow, one day we'll be able to have a topic about VBS without any drama... Not holding my breath tho...

[Spooky Lynx]

That's already been addressed, too. Porting stuff over from ArmA 1 even to ArmA 2 consumes a significant amount of time, never mind porting hard coded features. This time is money to a corporation. What further revenue could you promise BIS for this expenditure of resources?
More patches, especially with additional content = more interest to the game = more sold copies. Even now I see old good OFP in some shops. BTW, you don't see one little moment: all this takes a significant amount of time to modmaker, who does it having less skills and less time than professional gamedev.

[Spooky Lynx]

So lets come back to the subject. Found a bug in desert Scimitar w/slat armor: while turning out crew, camera appears under the hull and crew becames invisible. Only opened hatches.

[PJ[CZ]]

Hi, lets put those content/optimisation bullshit aside please, to many "all-knowing" people talk crap about engines.
Ive just tried the thing and i think its really good. Ive been always the more features good performance person and as long as its free JCOV really rules. Sure those models look OFPish but you can shoot from vehicles and use other functionalities and in supreme FPS for free. Me and my friends will sure enjoy that.
Arma2 is still supreme for me but i cant really play it with my buddys because most of them dont really have the rig for it.

[blazer01]

all thay need doing now in JCOV is to get the MP workin on it

[andersson]

It is, but its LAN only. You can use hamachi though.
JCOVE is not ment for internet, its ment for classrooms.

[Mastiff]

I can't wait to get the MP working and doing some Co-ops with you people...

[IceBreakr]

Use hamachi to play it online.

[Extremeus Decimus]

You can also join remotely if you dont want to use hamachi between friends (you just need their actual IP address), me and a friend tried it last night.

[Pathy]

If it were, don't you think P:UKF might have released it all by now?

Not if the contract of making them meant you weren't allowed to use the models in any mod.

As one of the few people actually privvy to the contract in question, I can tell you that your speculation is wrong. We wouldn't have put pen to paper otherwise. This is why you'll see we've already released some of the stuff we made for JCOVE (Weapons, Chally, Landrovers and the ArmA1 Jackal), and intend releasing other stuff. See the UKF website (http://www.pukf.net/forum/index.php), you'll see the Warrior front page, for example.

However, this stuff isn't really up for discussion so.....if you don't mind, could you please not speculate on things you're not informed about; thats how baseless rumours start. Lets leave it at that, eh?

[Heatseeker]

Well i just took it for a spin and its a bit rough but i kinda like it.
Performance on the samawah map is worth loosing the candy for, frame rate is great, urban areas are dense and pretty much every building is enterable :) .
And i dont know if its just me but loosing the silver makes it easier on the eyes?

Edit..


Q1: Aren't we asking the wrong questions? "Think not what VBS can do for Arma; Think what Arma can do for VBS". I remember hearing certain developers saying that it was possible to move Arma content to VBS just not visa versa. So the real potential was to play Arma on the VBS engine with all the bits we've so longed for as a community, proper thermal vision, vehicles you can walk around in and fire from, far more realistic and complex weapons systems, etc.

Q2: This may be an entirely stupid question but is it possible/legal to implement Arma's shaders into VBS? I know they share a "common engine" so surly one engine was developed and then built upon buy separate developers. If the content is out of bounds (models, etc..) what about enigine improvements?

Q3: Could somebody clear this up for me? Is it possible to mod for VBS JCOV at all? Or is it dead in the water? If this turns out to be a massive prick tease I shan't be pleased.

edit: final Q: I've just read that VBS2 lite is coming to the US. If nothing else, is the content from various nations releases transferable?

Dude, you sound like the kind of person that when offered a hand rips the arm off and then proceeds to complain about it. All the bits we've so longed for as a community arent here and A2 still offers far more improvement over armed assault than this small build, even without ACE2.

And do you really think the UK MOD would release this so you could port Arma, Arma 2 and all your favorite addons to it? Or do you think BIS releases games and dev tools just so that they can be ported to a free, promotional build?

If you arent pleased with something the UK MOD allowed to be distributed to the general public for free (wich it wasnt meant to in the first place) simply uninstall it, stop crying and get some common sense.

[W0lle]

I cleaned up this thread and all unnecessary comments and hacking requests has been removed. This includes replies to such posts so please don't wonder when your posts disappeared all of the sudden (this goes esp. to DM and raedor). :)

Please discuss about JCOVE only here, it's features, content and possibilities. No one here bothers if you installed and uninstalled it because it's crap, or if you would like to see it hacked and the content transferred to ArmA2. We do not allow any discussion which is against the JCOVE EULA! From now on all comments about cracking the encryption, reverse engineering etc. will be removed and result in 7 days vacation from the forum.

[GossamerSolid]

I'm guessing the 3D Real-Time editor is disabled?

[W0lle]

Neither OME nor RTE are present in JCOVE Lite.

[GossamerSolid]

Playing JCOVE Lite makes me want VBS2, but I doubt they sell to civilians and I don't have like $2000 to blow on it.

[Daddl]

Playing JCOVE Lite makes me want VBS2, but I doubt they sell to civilians and I don't have like $2000 to blow on it.They sold VBS1 to civilians, but believe me, if you have no professional reason to use it, ArmA is the better choice for you. After all, even if you are a devout ultra-realism fan you want at least some form of fun. But neither ultra-realism (as in the most perfect representation of units, etc.) nor fun are among the goals of VBS. Instructor led training for sometimes very boring (but important) real world scenarios like guarding checkpoints, convoy escort training, etc. or preparation for actual missions (with real terrain data) are its main uses.

And buying it just to be able to brag about it, well, if you have that much money I should inform you that I have a very nice bridge to sell... a real bargain actually!
:p

[andersson]

Playing JCOVE Lite makes me want VBS2, but I doubt they sell to civilians and I don't have like $2000 to blow on it.

Maybe VBS2 personal edition is for you then?
http://forums.bistudio.com/showpost.php?p=1567041&postcount=7

[raedor]

Wow, you managed it to be back to VBS2 in three posts ;) Please stay on-topic, and the topic is JCOVE Lite.

[ProfTournesol]

Wow, you managed it to be back to VBS2 in three posts ;) Please stay on-topic, and the topic is JCOVE Lite.

Maybe the topic title "VBS2 lite" should be renamed "JCOVE lite"

[raedor]

Maybe the topic title "VBS2 lite" should be renamed "JCOVE lite"

Good point. Done ;)

[blazer01]

It is, but its LAN only. You can use hamachi though.
JCOVE is not ment for internet, its ment for classrooms.
ya i know i do use it some times with my clan but what am sayin is it be nice to have a server so we can play it online with it mind you id like to have a game with the lads in the army lol civ's V army :p what you all think to that

[W0lle]

ya i know i do use it some times with my clan but what am sayin is it be nice to have a server so we can play it online with it mind you id like to have a game with the lads in the army lol civ's V army :p what you all think to that

It's irrelevant what everyone thinks. JCOVE is supposed to be used on LAN, hence most probably their won't be a (dedicated) server for it. Atleast BISim won't add it just because a couple of gamers want it. Sound harsh but let's face it: The gamers are not the JCOVE target audience.

[Chops]

Atleast BISim won't add it just because a couple of gamers want it.

Never a truer word was written.

Does JCOVE have the lasers that are going to be in OA?

[Takko]

Try to shoot one of th guys on the
training shooting range, and watch
what happens.

[ricbar89]

Now i have a "No entry'.profilePathDefault" message and it wont start. :s

[DaSquade]

Does JCOVE have the lasers that are going to be in OA?
As mentioned before if not mistaken, JCOVE only comes with UK non laser-equiped guns. So i'm affraid you won't see them in JCOVE (doesn't mean the engine version/build of JCOVE doesn't support it).

[Zipper5]

Now i have a "No entry'.profilePathDefault" message and it wont start. :s
Probably an issue with your target line. Make sure that it's how it should be.

[raedor]

Now i have a "No entry'.profilePathDefault" message and it wont start. :s

Your copy of JCOVE was deleted, you have to reinstall it. Better don't shoot if you don't know what you're shooting at ...

@<hidden>: LRF is in JCOVE, also the Apache should be able to laser designate targets. Some vehs are a bit bugged, though. What lasers are you talking about?

[walker]

Now i have a "No entry'.profilePathDefault" message and it wont start. :s

Hi ricbar89

JCOVE Lite is aimed at the UK Army and UK Army recruits. The UK Army does not like soldiers who shoot their own side.

In the training missions if you Blue on Blue the program uninstalls it self.

Any other questions?

Kind regards walker

[ricbar89]

Thats crazy lol, its only a program at the end of the day.

I wish Takko would have said, anyway im not to bothered, i only wanted a look at it.

[Richey79]

Ricbar, did you hear that Alt + F4 enables the 3d real-time editor, too?

;)

[ricbar89]

Ricbar, did you hear that Alt + F4 enables the 3d real-time editor, too?

;)

Erm its not a joke, i checked program files and the game is gone, apart from a few files left over.

It actually lagged for a couple of seconds then quit before giving me a message how the MOD takes it very seriously.

[W0lle]

Of course it's no joke. JCOVE is about serious gaming and in such an environment you just don't shoot at your comrades. Or in other words: It's not a game. ;)

[Mr Burns]

Now that really gave me a good laugh ... all of the posts on this previous page are lol´able :D

edit: meh

[DMarkwick]

Of course it's no joke. JCOVE is about serious gaming and in such an environment you just don't shoot at your comrades. Or in other words: It's not a game. ;)

Well it sounds rather ridiculous to me :)

And rather sinister, in it's way. How many other programs, "serious" or otherwise, decide to petulantly uninstall themselves because you did something ostensibly allowable in the program, but that the devs simply didn't like?

If they did it as a joke, that'd be one thing. If they did it as a serious consequence to an ingame action, that's straight in the nerd bin ;)

[Gabe_Ruckus]

It was the first thing I did on the range, and I didn't get any problems restarting the game. Of course, I usually quit everything I can with alt-F4 instead of going through the menus, so maybe it skipped a step and didn't record my fratricide.

[ricbar89]

It was the first thing I did on the range, and I didn't get any problems restarting the game. Of course, I usually quit everything I can with alt-F4 instead of going through the menus, so maybe it skipped a step and didn't record my fratricide.

If i recall correctly when you are given the brief for the range there is some kind of warning about the how MOD takes it seriously, i cant remember what it says and if it hints there might be consequences, or i might just be wrong, perhaps you guys with a working install might let us know. :p

To be honest i wasnt paying attention, apart from a quick look i was straight into the editor.

[sparks50]

I slaughtered the entire custom range in a brief moment of boredom last week, game still working like a charm.

Anyway, I cant seem to select the highest resolution because anything over about 1280:1024 makes the screen go outside the "borders" of my monitor.

[W0lle]

Well it sounds rather ridiculous to me :)

And rather sinister, in it's way. How many other programs, "serious" or otherwise, decide to petulantly uninstall themselves because you did something ostensibly allowable in the program, but that the devs simply didn't like?

If they did it as a joke, that'd be one thing. If they did it as a serious consequence to an ingame action, that's straight in the nerd bin ;)
Or maybe it was a requirement by the MoD and the devs just did as ordered. ;)

[DMarkwick]

Or maybe it was a requirement by the MoD and the devs just did as ordered. ;)

That might make more sense ;) nothing more dullwitted than a deskbound army officer looking for decisions to make :D

"To prevent our soldiers from unexpectedly mowing down everyone on the range, despite this never happening in the history of the army, we should make sure that the soldier is punished by, er, having the software disappear on the PC that's probably not his. This should reduce incidents of range-bound slaughter within 3 months."

*Gathers promotion*

Anyway, it'll keep some amount of light-duties-bound sergeants in work as they constantly install the app onto the classroom PCs :D

[Baff1]

I don't buy that one myself.
If the game uninstalls itself from a soldiers computer, then it has to be reinstalled.
Far easier to just tell him to do 50 sit ups.

Enjoying this download greatly.
A real treat, what ArmA should have been from the start instead of all that dodgy yank clobber.


Got my hands on your missions thanks Wolle. Looking forward to giving them a go sometime.

[Max Power]

That might make more sense ;) nothing more dullwitted than a deskbound army officer looking for decisions to make :D

"To prevent our soldiers from unexpectedly mowing down everyone on the range, despite this never happening in the history of the army, we should make sure that the soldier is punished by, er, having the software disappear on the PC that's probably not his. This should reduce incidents of range-bound slaughter within 3 months."

*Gathers promotion*

Anyway, it'll keep some amount of light-duties-bound sergeants in work as they constantly install the app onto the classroom PCs :D

I can imagine the humiliating positive reinforcement that would happen in such an exercise in a real-time, networked training environment in a LAN lab. All of the students knowing it was you and being able to watch you reinstall the software while the rest of them train would send quite a message.

[raedor]

JCOVE Lite is the software they're using for recruiting, like America's Army in the US. You won't have them all sitting in a LAN lab to play the shooting range mission in MP ...

[ricbar89]

Got this from the JCOVE forums:


Hey guys - this isn't a bug - the sim was designed this way.

If you mess about and shoot friendly forces during the training mission you will be kicked and the sim will not re-start.

This is because it isn't a game - it is a military training simulation. We didn't want to mess about with locking you in a jail cell playing country music, or something twee like in America's Army - you just get kicked out.

No apologies. No second chances.

Happy Days.

Major Tom. .

http://www.jcove-lite.co.uk/showthread.php/never-never-mess-284.html

And yeah i agree, its stupid, its just a program at the end of the day, how someone acts in what many will see a game (whether they like it or not) does not mirror how they will act in real life.

How many people are honestly going to take a disk they got from there AFCO a seriously as they real thing? How many COD playing guys will just shoot the first thing in sight when they're learning the controls and wanting to check out the effects etc.

If the MOD did ask for it its just silly to be honest.

[walker]

Hi all

Simple solution do not shoot your own side.

I personaly think it is a great system for weeding out the numpties.

Kind Regards walker

[Max Power]

JCOVE Lite is the software they're using for recruiting, like America's Army in the US. You won't have them all sitting in a LAN lab to play the shooting range mission in MP ...

So JCOVE doesn't do this?

[DM]

So JCOVE doesn't do this?

No.

10 chars

[Heatseeker]

Hi all

Simple solution do not shoot your own side.

I personaly think it is a great system for weeding out the numpties.

Kind Regards walker


Even better, if you cant do some target practice without causing FF incidents jump straight to the editor or play some missions :) .

[Craig.Turner]

Just found this - glad you are all enjoying the new site for the JCOVE Lite users.

Myself and [R-DEV]Gaz created this site a few months ago to see if we could get a community together, as there seemed to be none out there.

Yes - it was a Project Reality Team concept, for the Gaming Communities out there.

[sparks50]

Incase someone missed the torrent, here by JDMT:

http://www.jcove-lite.co.uk/showthread.php/vbs2-lite-us-348p12.html

[raedor]

Yeah, but that belongs in the other thread (http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=95163&page=4). ;)

[Gaz_pr]

Plenty of decent missions and so on up on the site now :) Everyone is of course welcome to participate. If the legalities are sorted with the public usage of the US version of VBS2 Lite, I will be adding facilities for both JCOVE Lite and the US version.

[p75]

Did anyone notice that the FLIR in the US version is not working? I got a call from my nephew who installed the us lite version (before anyone starts stating he needs to be in the army, stop, he is), it is all white.

[raedor]

Did anyone notice that the FLIR in the US version is not working? I got a call from my nephew who installed the us lite version (before anyone starts stating he needs to be in the army, stop, he is), it is all white.

Yes, it has already been reported. (Not here, though.)

[Royal-Killer]

Just downloaded and i like it.
Gotta make some mission on it soon. :dancehead: :681:

[twisted]

jcove lite is fun. instead of mounting it in damenon tools i just extracted it using 7zip and isntalled it - works fine.

one thing that is a bit off putting is the cone of fire on the shooting range. i aim directly at the target but the bullet misses. oh, and the trees on the one map where you have to clear the insurgents don't give a feeling of being natural, rather badly placed.

but the feel of advancing with troops is good - these ai run to engage. pretty good thing when under fire.

enjoying it but it made me dig arma2 even more.

a error i got after installing jcovelite is that i get an error message when opening arma2 - no 3dconfig. not sure how to fix that and now i get blocks of colour load before the trees appear - never had that before.

[Agelesslink]

do you have to have arma 2 to run this? is it like a mod?

[Baff1]

It's standalone software.

It runs off the old ArmA 1 engine.

It's the British Army mod, made and distributed by the British Army. I think you can find an Australian and Americn army version free to download too.

[Agelesslink]

ok cool. thanks

[SWT_Janowich]

You should get your pents, pants and take note: Lets break it down for you!

Start up Jcove and see the engine,
Compare it with ArmAII, it runs like a dream no tension!
Jcove is like ArmA; just with an extension,
High framerate=save energy, soon you'll live in a mansion!
Yes its like that, its nice from the start,
High framerate=less stutter, good for your heart!
Realism, the performance does never drop,
The physics aren't nice, but do the job!
Only 2006 game you can play on a 2005 PC,
Just start up the game and see,

Yeah!

[Agelesslink]

well i dont have a computer yet. im gonna be getting one in the summer

[***LeGeNDK1LLER***]

guys can you put a link of the vbs2 american lite version?

[W0lle]

guys can you put a link of the vbs2 american lite version?
No because as of now only members of the U.S. Army and contractors have (legal) access to US Army Lite.

[***LeGeNDK1LLER***]

No because as of now only members of the U.S. Army and contractors have (legal) access to US Army Lite.

mmm sorry didn't know,thought was free as the UK version.

[Royal-Killer]

:D i was messing arround on jcove to see if it was true, i shot an officer on the shooting range behind me, my computer lagged for about 1 minute, jcove crashed and :rolleyes:
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6928/boomheadshotq.jpg
It was true and jcove unistalled itself lol

[sparks50]

Its the universial truth of singleplayer videogames,
get really bored and youll shoot any NPC you see because you can get away with it(until now :p)

[That guy]

wow, that is awesome!

[Richey79]

Should be accepted as standard practice for all multi-player shooters: if you TK three times in one match, then...



UK MOD takes weapons safety very seriously! You have been determined to be too dangerous to be trusted with a weapon.


:lecture:

[Big Mac]

:D i was messing arround on jcove to see if it was true, i shot an officer on the shooting range behind me, my computer lagged for about 1 minute, jcove crashed and :rolleyes:

It was true and jcove uninstalled itself lol At least you found a quicker way to uninstall it. hahaha

[W0lle]

Richey79, Big Mac

We do not allow quoting of images, no matter what size they are.

[Flash Thunder]

Royal Killer you're now on the "No fly list" take care. :yay:


Ha brilliant system if that was in Arma 2 I would rage, I shoot the officers all the time.

Hiya dude.

Bam

*HEADSHOT*

Fall overs

AH my fucking leg it Hurtsssssssssss!

"Now you can see I have taken a bullet to the head. Its nothing serious but I am bleeding badly." -Sion lenton aka Captain Obvious

Roflcopter

[Zipper5]

For anyone who's interested in getting a copy of VBS2 US Army Lite legally:

http://cfarma2.com/index.php/vbs2-lite-us-army/

I've already tried it and it is completely legitimate. Been having fun playing the Training Scenarios. Seems to have a lot more content than JCOVE too. :D

[Zipper5]

Here's a video I made using it:

9MBQg-7z-04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MBQg-7z-04

[Pain0815]

What a boring map, only flat area, no ditches, no sandhills, nothing.

Better get a nice dessert map for arma2, and with ace, warfx and stuff its better than vbs in my eyes.

AND you can play online without problems...

[Royal-Killer]

For anyone who's interested in getting a copy of VBS2 US Army Lite legally:

http://cfarma2.com/index.php/vbs2-lite-us-army/

I've already tried it and it is completely legitimate. Been having fun playing the Training Scenarios. Seems to have a lot more content than JCOVE too. :D
Are you sure than that is LEGAL?
Because that isn't an official site.


Royal Killer you're now on the "No fly list" take care. :yay:


Ha brilliant system if that was in Arma 2 I would rage, I shoot the officers all the time.

Hiya dude.

Bam

*HEADSHOT*

Fall overs

AH my fucking leg it Hurtsssssssssss!

"Now you can see I have taken a bullet to the head. Its nothing serious but I am bleeding badly." -Sion lenton aka Captain Obvious

Roflcopter

Yeah, next time i'll keep in count the signature rules :D

[Zipper5]

Yes, I'm sure it's legal. CF got permission from all the involved companies to host it there.

[That guy]

nice vid zipper

i now see how the weapons handle in VBS, and so far (judging on just seeing) I am quite impressed. i do wish ArmA2 would take on some of those characteristics.
very nice

[Royal-Killer]

Ok i'll try it.
Thanks Zipper :)

[]NTRUDER]

JCOVE is really nice!
Been trying it out for the first time the last couple of days and I'm impressed so far :)
I just wish more guys (and girls) would start playing it though :D And some dedicated server support wouldn't hurt either hehe.

Love the 'extra' realism feel to it. And the sheer number of British and Opfor units is impressive. Graphic wise I run everything at max, except for View distance. My VD is 3100 m. Looks and runs great!

Off to make some British coop missions now =)

/ ]NTRUDER

[Jeza]

ah nice Ntruder, may download, thank fook i didnt buy full brit vbs2 for 400 when i had the chance! :)

[LJF]

Yeah I really loved the weapon handling too, worked great.

[Paplate]

For anyone who's interested in getting a copy of VBS2 US Army Lite legally:

http://cfarma2.com/index.php/vbs2-lite-us-army/

I've already tried it and it is completely legitimate. Been having fun playing the Training Scenarios. Seems to have a lot more content than JCOVE too. :D

It seems that it was taken down. Guess they changed their minds?

Sucks, because I was REALLY looking forward to trying it out...:(

[T.S.C.Plage]

Is the HET (tank transporter) shown in video not included in the download or am I just to unable to find it?

[]NTRUDER]

It seems that it was taken down. Guess they changed their minds?

Sucks, because I was REALLY looking forward to trying it out...:(

Fear not my friend :)

Try this one instead:
http://www.jcove-lite.co.uk/index.php?pageid=download_jcovelite
(you need to set up an account first)

/ ]NTRUDER

[Paplate]

NTRUDER;1702996']Fear not my friend :)

Try this one instead:
http://www.jcove-lite.co.uk/index.php?pageid=download_jcovelite
(you need to set up an account first)

/ ]NTRUDER

I was talking about the US Army one, but thanks!

[Darkhorse 1-6]

Yep, only military personnel can download it. Made my dad a bit pissed off, considering he was U.S. Army for 26 years, but seeing as he is retired it wouldn't let him download it, or even get to the page/any page with real info about it.