PC Discussion Thread II - All PC related discussion goes here.

[Baff1]

If I upgrade my CPU, will the AI in ArmA become more responsive?
Faster to react to my commands for example. Faster to change action say when pathing?

In games like Command and Conquer, the AI would all literally speed up the more and more CPU power you got. Soldiers would run faster!
In ARMA I often notice a delay between the time I give the order and the time an AI starts acting on it, I was wondering if a little upgrade might smooth this out.


Depends on what sort of CPU you have at the minute.

How so please?

[echo1]

What I meant was, what sort of CPU do you have currently? Obviously there isn't much point in upgrading if you have something relatively recent.

[Baff1]

All my CPU's are recommended spec and above.


I'm sort of angling for a more generic understanding of how this software works in relation to the CPU, rather than a match off between any one CPU and another.

I feel that would better equip me for making those kind of decisions.


I'm assuming that I can overload any CPU currently on the market if I make my battle big enough...but what does it look like in game when I do, and will I get improved pathing speeds from more powerful processors?

All thoughts and insights gratefully received.

[meade95]

My computer specs are the following..

Dell XPS 720 System
2 Quad CPU
Q6600 @<hidden> 2.40 GHz
3.00 GB or RAM

GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB

____________________

I am looking to upgreade my video card? I don't know a great deal about computers (some, but not a lot). I am looking to stick Nvidia drivers / GeForce......

Any suggestions on what would be a good upgrade for me ...considering the system I currently have. Price range I'm looking for something in the $150 to $300 Range...

Appreciate any suggestions / advice

[echo1]

Tbh, at the moment there isn't too much point with sticking with nVidia at the moment, their stuff is pretty mediocre.

I'd go for a Radeon HD5850.

[meade95]

Tbh, at the moment there isn't too much point with sticking with nVidia at the moment, their stuff is pretty mediocre.

I'd go for a Radeon HD5850.

Is it more complicated to go from using GeForce (Nvidia drivers) to a Radeon Video card??? Would I need to clean my drivers / registery and all that when installing a Radeon?

I am just much more familiar with GeForce (for the past 8 years). Thanks.


Does anyone have any thoughts on the GeForce GTX 285 or 295 series video cards?

[SgtH3nry3]

Is it more complicated to go from using GeForce (Nvidia drivers) to a Radeon Video card??? Would I need to clean my drivers / registery and all that when installing a Radeon?

I am just much more familiar with GeForce (for the past 8 years). Thanks.


Does anyone have any thoughts on the GeForce GTX 285 or 295 series video cards?Yes, nVidia tends to leave various registry settings and files to **** up DirectX libraries so you'll experience bad performance with concurrent hardware.

You probably want to run DriverCleaner or sth.

[echo1]

ATI drivers aren't much to write home about, especially when you leave the warm, fuzzy confines of Windows...

[Azamato]

Is my videocard broken?
Everytime I play my monitr goes on standby and i have to reboot, already had this problem last summer and sent it to the makers for a new one.

[meade95]

Is my videocard broken?
Everytime I play my monitr goes on standby and i have to reboot, already had this problem last summer and sent it to the makers for a new one.

I would suspet so - Sounds like shutting down for safety reasons (likely overheating?).

I have a quesiton on video cards. I have a GeForce 8800 GT (512RAM). It gives off a slight whistling sound when running ARMA 2?...This normal? It seems to run fine, no real lags, FPS are in the mid 40s range...... But the slight whistling sound when playing worries me some .... Is it too stressed? Or is that just the cards own fan?

[echo1]

Is my videocard broken?
Everytime I play my monitr goes on standby and i have to reboot, already had this problem last summer and sent it to the makers for a new one.

There's a few explanations for this -

1) Overheating CPU
2) Overheating graphics card
3) Bad PSU

What sort of CPU and PSU do you have?

[Azamato]

There's a few explanations for this -

1) Overheating CPU
2) Overheating graphics card
3) Bad PSU

What sort of CPU and PSU do you have?

Q8200 2.33 cpu and 400w generic psu, but this is a diferent pc from wich the previous card was broken
Do you know a program to chek my temps ?

[echo1]

There's a program called SIW which lets you monitor temps.

[Azamato]

I get 60 °C when gaming 46°C when not

[echo1]

That's pretty normal, most graphics cards can handle 100^C and more

[meade95]

I have a quesiton on video cards. I have a GeForce 8800 GT (512RAM). It gives off a slight whistling sound when running ARMA 2?...This normal? It seems to run fine, no real lags, FPS are in the mid 40s range...... But the slight whistling sound when playing worries me some .... Is it too stressed? Or is that just the cards own fan?

[Fox '09]

must be a capacitor. It isn't a problem until it is a problem. Google how to fix squealing capacitors.. but only fix it if you really need to

[echo1]

It might be the fan is dying, but it's hard to say conclusively. As posted above, it's only really a problem when it starts to affect you... my laptop's CPU makes a whining noise every now and then because of power state changes...

Computers make silly noises sometimes, doesn't mean that something is broken =P

[meade95]

must be a capacitor. It isn't a problem until it is a problem. Google how to fix squealing capacitors.. but only fix it if you really need to

Proved solved - I checked the capacitors for leaking / buldging , etc. Couldn't see / find anything.

Called Dell (I have an 720 XPS system). Had 1 week left on my warranty. They are replacing all fans, Power Supply and Video card!...to solve the issue....having a tech come out to do it as well.....

Thanks for the help......and props to Dell! (they get some bad press, but I have to give it to them...they are fully taking care of me here).

[echo1]

This reminds of a discussion I had with some friends about laptop makers, it went like this:

FRIEND: Dell have great customer service. When I got my XPS, the screen was broken, but they came out to my house and replaced it.
OTHERS: Wow.
ME: Well IBM did something even better for me.
OTHERS: What?
ME: They sent a laptop that fucking works.

[meade95]

This reminds of a discussion I had with some friends about laptop makers, it went like this:

FRIEND: Dell have great customer service. When I got my XPS, the screen was broken, but they came out to my house and replaced it.
OTHERS: Wow.
ME: Well IBM did something even better for me.
OTHERS: What?
ME: They sent a laptop that fucking works.

Funny......But to Dell's credit, the system is 2 years old (XPS came with 2 year warranty standard).....And with this issue..... They aren't nickel and diming their way to try and figure out a solution. They are simply replacing every component that it likely could be... Fans, Power Supply and new video card (of which when I speak to the in-house tech, i"m going to see if they will let me upgrade my 8800 to one of the new GeForce 285X's ....With me paying the price difference.....

[BF2_Trooper]

I was installing an update for DIVX lastnight until there was a sudden power outage and so my computer shutdown during the install. My PC was connected through a UPS but it seemed that it was not able to keep the PC powered during an installation even for a few seconds.

Anyways, the outage only lasted for a few seconds, was able to turn my computer back on and my DIVX check for updates so that it uninstalled itself and reinstalled the new updated version.

So far everything seems to be working fine. But I still cant help but wonder if my hard drive has been corrupted in anyway since it loss power during an installation. Anything I should look for?

[echo1]

NTFS is quite good at not losing stuff. If shit has really hit the fan, it will attempt to run chkdsk as the PC boots up (there will be a big message telling you that there are errors on the disk and that it will check for them)

In reality, if there were any issues, you would have known about them by now.

[Rak]

So far everything seems to be working fine. But I still cant help but wonder if my hard drive has been corrupted in anyway since it loss power during an installation. Anything I should look for?

It happens to me all the time, you should be fine.

[BF2_Trooper]

Okay, thanks. I always thought that a hard shutdown was a really bad thing for the hard drive when it was writing something. I also reckon that my UPS does not have enough power to keep a PC running while the hard drive was writing and running at full speed? I had also just exited out of Supreme Commander 2 at the time so might video card must have still been running intensively.

[h -]

There has to be something wrong with your UPS or it is way underpowered, of course it should be able to keep the PC running when HDD is used because it is supposed to shut down the computer if the power outage lasts too long (or give you time to shutdown manually) and depending on your PC/OS it can take a while..

[NeMeSiS]

Does anyone know a way to connect my TV to my PC while i can still keep using my 2 monitors? My 4870 does have enough slots in the back, 2 for my monitors and 1 s-video which i use for my TV. But i cant seem to use all 3 screens at the same time.

[echo1]

I recently read that a lot of video cards only support two simultaneous outputs. It could be the case that the only way to do what you want is to get a second video card, or use the integrated graphics (if your mobo has them)

[NeMeSiS]

Thanks. In that case i'll just leave my TV where it is, i prefer 2 screens and i dont have onboard graphics.

[Callsign]

Does a motherboard that accepts ddr2 memory only support ddr2 graphics cards?

[SgtH3nry3]

Does a motherboard that accepts ddr2 memory only support ddr2 graphics cards?No.

tenchar.

[Azamato]

Can a XFX HD4850 run on a psu with 400W and these things

MAX: 25A 32A 15A 0.5A 0.5A 2.0A
MIN: 0.3A 0.3A 1.0A 0A 0A 0A

+12V Max load 15A
+5V +12V +3V max load 400W

[echo1]

How good is the rest of your system.

[Azamato]

Q8200 2.33ghz
4GB ram
Win XP (or 7 if it'll run better)

[CameronMcDonald]

Off the top of my head I'd say you'll be pushing it with a quad-core. If you smell burnt plastic one day, that would be your PSU cooking.

Mayhaps someone could drag up some stats to confirm/damn my suggestion.

[echo1]

What make is the PSU? If it's some cheapo brand one, I wouldn't bother.

[TimRiceSE]

soo...

if my computer (or any other computer ive been able to test it with) doesnt boot with my Radeon 5850 in, but boots with my old 8800, given that everything is connected correctly, the fan even spins on the 5850 but it doesnt boot... is it time to RMA?

[CW001]

soo...

if my computer (or any other computer ive been able to test it with) doesnt boot with my Radeon 5850 in, but boots with my old 8800, given that everything is connected correctly, the fan even spins on the 5850 but it doesnt boot... is it time to RMA?

Hmm, I'm no computer expert so don't quote me on anything, but you might have broken it somehow or it was broken when purchased. I would contact the supplier, see if you could get a replacement and see if that works. Basically what you just said. Yeah.

[TimRiceSE]

its been running fine for 6 months.. although it had developed some "whistle"... and now nothing :( i was just checking incase anyone had any miracle solutions :) bad timing, with OA just coming out..

[echo1]

It could be a PSU problem - but failing with every computer could suggest a card problem, unless of course every computer you tested it with had a poor PSU.

[TimRiceSE]

both have 550w Corsair PSU's... unlikely theyd both crap out at the same time... RMA'ing today!

[echo1]

Oh right, definitely a problem with the graphics card so.

[sesdelta38]

@<hidden> 123
I need help constructing a list Gaming PC parts. However, I want the list to be build around two components: one of the new Nvidia GTX 400 cards and a Core i7 processor. Thanks in advance!

[echo1]

How much do you want to spend on the graphics card? The current Geforce 400 series aren't great value for money, and are very power/heat intensive. They are releasing some mid-range parts that are apparently going to fix a lot of these issues, but that remains to be seen.

[BangTail]

How much do you want to spend on the graphics card? The current Geforce 400 series aren't great value for money, and are very power/heat intensive. They are releasing some mid-range parts that are apparently going to fix a lot of these issues, but that remains to be seen.


While they do consume a lot of power, the heat issues were blown out of all proportion. As I've said elesewhere on here, if a few dollars more on your utility bill is a problem, you probably shouldn't be looking at buying $500.00 video cards in the first place.

They are fantastic cards and I am much happier with them than I was with either 5870 CF or the 5970.

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1888

[echo1]

Well, I don't really recommend $500 graphics cards because they are a terrible investment (invariably their useful life isn't much longer than a $250-300 one) so I'm standing by what I said.

[BangTail]

Well, I don't really recommend $500 graphics cards because they are a terrible investment (invariably their useful life isn't much longer than a $250-300 one) so I'm standing by what I said.


While your recommendation is great for non enthusiasts and those on a budget, it certainly does not apply to those of us that want the best. As for it being a 'terrible investment', I would have to strongly disagree with you on that as well. In the first place it's entirely subjective and in the second place, I'm very happy with my investment because as an enthusiast, I'm fully aware that there will be better cards in relatively short order. Some people see that as a problem, personally, I love new technology and I can't wait to see what ATI's 6xxx series can do and beyond.

The only real problem is the lack of games that push existing technology (A2 is one of the very few that do). I'm sure Crysis 2 will put a dent in current high end stuff and probably the next generation as well :D

[sesdelta38]

How much do you want to spend on the graphics card? The current Geforce 400 series aren't great value for money, and are very power/heat intensive. They are releasing some mid-range parts that are apparently going to fix a lot of these issues, but that remains to be seen.

Well, my friend has a gaming computer and also recently bought a GTX 470 graphics card. He doesn't think I should get an Ati graphics card and AMD processor.

However, I would still go with Ati and AMD parts, but I would like to have a complete list Gaming PC parts written down for me. I'm too lazy to do research myself and being a 15 year old doesn't help either.

So, I think I will actually stick with Ati and AMD on this one.

[NeMeSiS]

Well, my friend has a gaming computer and also recently bought a GTX 470 graphics card. He doesn't think I should get an Ati graphics card and AMD processor.

However, I would still go with Ati and AMD parts, but I would like to have a complete list Gaming PC parts written down for me. I'm too lazy to do research myself and being a 15 year old doesn't help either.

So, I think I will actually stick with Ati and AMD on this one.

15 is a great age to find out everything about PC's and start building them yourself. Chicks will hump you left and right if you fix their PC's. ;)

[echo1]

I learned almost everything I needed to know about computer hardware at the age of 14, disassembling and reassembling old 486s and Pentium 1s that were being dumped out of the office my Dad worked at.

[jsa2001]

I learned almost everything I needed to know about computer hardware at the age of 14, disassembling and reassembling old 486s and Pentium 1s that were being dumped out of the office my Dad worked at.

I had a 386 computer than bought a 486 66mhz pc about 20 years ago, x86 chip
was top of the line then. Thats when some good graphical games started to come out on 8 fdd's. I'm microsoft certified but lost track of hardware and software these last few years. Kinda trying to get back up to date.

[Pvt. Phillips]

Windows 7

HP-Pavilion

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9450 @<hidden> 2.66GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.7GHz

6142MB RAM

DirectX 10

The reason I am asking this is my graphics card got fried and I was wondering what graphics card I would need to run arma 2 on max settings with it running smoothly. Or if my Computer will even be able to run it at all.:(

Also I should mention that yeah I might have more RAM than that I was only able to go in safe mode to get my comp info. Any help would be awesome guys/gals thank you!:)

[echo1]

I don't think there's any combination of hardware on the market at the moment that would let you run ArmA 2 on full settings. What size of screen do you have, and how much do you want to spend?

[Pvt. Phillips]

I have a 17 inch wide lcd screen.

If i cant play it on max settings is their a chance that i can run it on very high settings?

I guess im looking for a graphics card that can run it on very high settings and it wont slow down at all. My price range it pretty open right now. How much do you think the graphic card i am looking for would cost? Or better yet which one i should get. Thank you for responding by the way. :)

[echo1]

The new GTX 460 cards that have just come out are pretty good. I'd go with one of them, it should be more than enough to power a 17" at high quality.

That said, I'd rather buy a bigger monitor than a quicker graphics card. The GTX 460 should be able to power a 24" at good quality and good performance.

[sesdelta38]

@<hidden> 123:
So. Will you help me make a list of PC parts? The help would be extremely appreciated.

I will go with the Ati and AMD set-up you originally provided. I would much rather save money that go all out.

[Pvt. Phillips]

Thank you ch 123 you really helped me out i appreciate it!

[Stevo_223]

Hey, i fugured that most of the people on here know what their talking about, PC wise. ive been having a problem where ALL windows related sounds and my browser sounds (Ex. Youtube, Playlist.com, Ect.) it hasnt effected my arma, teamspeak, or any other games that i have on this computer. its really wierd and i feel like its a simple fix. i just cant fogure it out, please PM me if you have a solution, thanks

[John S. Huxley]

Hi folks,

I'm interested in getting the Logitech G35 Surround Sound Headset. I just came here to ask the people who have it;

1. Is it worth the money?

2. Is the sound quality great in both Arma II and when listening to music.
Also, does it work well with Arma II?
3. Is the mic quality normal, clear or pristine?

4. How comfy is it really?

I like the look of the headset, as it is ideal for gaming but I do enjoy a good listen to music too, so does it do high quality iTunes justice?

Alot of questions I know and if you answer 'em...Thank you very much !
It is quite abit of money for a headset in my view so I want to be sure.

*As normal, I will state that I am not just asking one forum as to let you know I am not intentionally milking this community for information I will never give back.*

[sesdelta38]

@<hidden> ch 123:
I was thinking on getting the Ati 5870 that you suggested. Along with the AMD Phenom Black Edition Processor. What Motherboard should I get?

[mrbinkels]

Hi folks,

I'm interested in getting the Logitech G35 Surround Sound Headset. I just came here to ask the people who have it;

1. Is it worth the money?

2. Is the sound quality great in both Arma II and when listening to music.
Also, does it work well with Arma II?
3. Is the mic quality normal, clear or pristine?

4. How comfy is it really?

I like the look of the headset, as it is ideal for gaming but I do enjoy a good listen to music too, so does it do high quality iTunes justice?

Alot of questions I know and if you answer 'em...Thank you very much !
It is quite abit of money for a headset in my view so I want to be sure.

*As normal, I will state that I am not just asking one forum as to let you know I am not intentionally milking this community for information I will never give back.*

I have had a pair for a while now. The sound is pretty good. The one thing I don't like about them are the ear pieces hurt my ears after about thirty minutes. Worth a shot though.

If you have $200 bucks lying around get the turtle beach x41 they are 7.1 and work on xbox and my pc. They are awesome!

[echo1]

@<hidden> ch 123:
I was thinking on getting the Ati 5870 that you suggested. Along with the AMD Phenom Black Edition Processor. What Motherboard should I get?

Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4

Get a good PSU like the Corsair HX650 too.

[Leopardi]

Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4

Get a good PSU like the Corsair HX650 too.

Shouldn't he get a 890 series mobo? And a Seasonic X-650 PSU rather than the corsair, because seasonic no longer manufactures Corsair PSU's.

[echo1]

That's not true. Seasonic only makes Corsair PSUs up as far as 650W. For anything larger they use a different OEM. The other OEM is not bad, but is pretty mediocre.

[jsa2001]

Just got a copy of windows 7 64bit, Installed it on the harddrive with no problems. Right after installation i rebooted the pc and just got the desktop with no icons or taskbar!!

I can only right click and get a menu up but nothing else works, Booted into safe mode and i get everything back. Any ideas?

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No worries ive sorted it out:yay:

[NeMeSiS]

Does anyone know if its possible to disable the file ownership and privilege crap of win7 64bit? It makes me want to cry.

[LJF]

Hi folks,

I'm interested in getting the Logitech G35 Surround Sound Headset. I just came here to ask the people who have it;

1. Is it worth the money?

2. Is the sound quality great in both Arma II and when listening to music.
Also, does it work well with Arma II?
3. Is the mic quality normal, clear or pristine?

4. How comfy is it really?

I like the look of the headset, as it is ideal for gaming but I do enjoy a good listen to music too, so does it do high quality iTunes justice?

Alot of questions I know and if you answer 'em...Thank you very much !
It is quite abit of money for a headset in my view so I want to be sure.

*As normal, I will state that I am not just asking one forum as to let you know I am not intentionally milking this community for information I will never give back.*

I was about to get them myself but I found these and got them instead: http://www.roccat.org/Products/Gaming-Sound/ROCCAT-Kave/

Pretty good surround sound (it's real surround sound too, not software simulated like the G35's and Razor ones are) - not that I have much to compare it with. I have used the G35's and their sound was good, but the thing I loved about them was the comfort and EXTREMELY - I repeat, extremely! good noise cancellation. I mean wow, couldn't hear my friends talking who were standing right behind me, truly amazing.

Personally I decided to get the Kaves instead because of the apparently superior sound quality. All the reviews I could find were very impressed and so am I.

It was a long time ago that I used the G35's though, so don't take my word on it, but I can tell you that the Kaves have excellent sound, plenty of base and pretty solid surround sound.

You'll need a 5.1 surround sound card of course, but most motherboards have that I think these days (mine does). 1 USB cord and 4 standard audio jacks, rear, center/base, front and mic. Took me a bit of tinkering to get them working properly in the realtek audio thingy (one of the bits was configured wrong) but I'm definitely happy I got them.

Hope this helps.

Edit: Failpicture:

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7644/steamfailsml.jpg

Tried everything, can't get it working.

[STGN]

Hi does anybody know if its possible to turn of mouse speed when I start a program?
What I want to do is:
To turn down mouse speed to the lowest windows level when I open Flashpoint. But have it at an normal level when I exit the game, is there a program which let you do this?
STGN

[CW001]

Hi does anybody know if its possible to turn of mouse speed when I start a program?
What I want to do is:
To turn down mouse speed to the lowest windows level when I open Flashpoint. But have it at an normal level when I exit the game, is there a program which let you do this?
STGN

It's been a while since I last played flashpoint, but could you not just turn mouse sensitivity right down if the options screen?
I'm tired, so apologies if that's not what you're looking for.

[STGN]

Dosen't really have to be for flashpoint, I am just looking for a program or a way to set the speed of the mouse in windows to the lowest level when i start a program in this case OFP.
STGN

[Salvatore_Lee]

First off, let me say that when it comes to this HW stuff, I am a total bonehead, idiot, dumbo etc. so please have patience with me. :239:

I own this Acer 5920G laptop.

Specs:
Intel Core 2 Duo T7300 2.0Ghz
3 GB RAM DDR2
NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT 512 MB
I am also using a Zalman cooling pad

The problem:
Laptop started freezing when playing TF2. It would freeze with a "drrrrrr" sound in an endless loop forcing me to use the power button and sometimes it would give me an BSOD(which would last like 2 seconds, not a chance of reading the message).
Then it wouldn't even let me boot into the Windows without giving a BSOD about HDD.

Oh well, I've simply reinstalled my Windows from BIOS and everything started to be fine.
But then the freezes were back. Again. :nervous:

What I did:
Used FUR for graphics temperature testing. It would be capped somewhere at 93.. urm, bad?:omg:

Tested some different games. Freezing(which happens totally randomly, no pattern etc.) was mostly occuring on Source engine multi-player games like Alien Swarm or TF2. But HW intensive monsters like BiA: Hell's Highway were running just fine without a single crash or stutter.

Now it randomly happens even in Windows. There is a good chance for "drrrrrrr" any minute.:confused_o:

So... any idea what to do?

Thanks in advance,

Lee

[jsa2001]

Run chkdsk, it should check bad sectors, lost clusters, cross-linked files, and directory errors.

[NutzMcKracken]

@<hidden>

OS? XP, Vista, or Win 7?

After running chkdsk and if it has errors and possibly run it with the "/r" switch.

Usage:

hold down the the left windows key (has Windows flag on it) and R together when you see a small window called run come up, type cmd

Once you see the command prompt, then type this exactly:

chkdsk /r

(space between chkdsk and /r)

This will take possibly an hour or so depending on how many bad sectors and bad files in those sectors that repairable and moving it to another location and how large the volume is that you are working on.

Another thing you can do is contact Acer support and see if they provide hard drive tool to test the drive's integrity like Dell and other manufactures. It could be going bad.

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Does anyone know if its possible to disable the file ownership and privilege crap of win7 64bit? It makes me want to cry.
No part of NTFS, not Windows 7, NTFS started back in Win NT and Win 2000.

Make sure you are an administrator and the file is not in use that you are trying to change/delete/ whatever.

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Windows 7

HP-Pavilion

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9450 @<hidden> 2.66GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.7GHz

6142MB RAM

DirectX 10

The reason I am asking this is my graphics card got fried and I was wondering what graphics card I would need to run arma 2 on max settings with it running smoothly. Or if my Computer will even be able to run it at all.:(

Also I should mention that yeah I might have more RAM than that I was only able to go in safe mode to get my comp info. Any help would be awesome guys/gals thank you!:)

Beware of your Power supply rating with OEM machines and their Motherboard limitations. You may overuse the powersupply and fry your motherboard in the process. Suggestion, if the graphics card is fried there usually was a reason for it. Take it to get looked at before you fry another card or use an old one you don't mind in case it does get fried.

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Just got a copy of windows 7 64bit, Installed it on the harddrive with no problems. Right after installation i rebooted the pc and just got the desktop with no icons or taskbar!!

I can only right click and get a menu up but nothing else works, Booted into safe mode and i get everything back. Any ideas?

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No worries ive sorted it out:yay:

Possibly might be an easy fix for this, but I can't warrant the end result. Try the Microsoft Fix it for a recent exploit involving icon picture files and then use the "undo fix it", it might bring your icons back:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2286198

You can always backup any information you don't want lost and perform a clean "Custom" install. Sounds like you may have done an upgrade. If you go this route suggest 64bit for future in case you expand past 4GB of memory.

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That's not true. Seasonic only makes Corsair PSUs up as far as 650W. For anything larger they use a different OEM. The other OEM is not bad, but is pretty mediocre.

Suggest Ultra X4 series power supplies. They have a "real" active PFC, high class capacitors, and also warrant a lifetime warranty as most only warrant 3yrs with limited support. You pay more for it, but you get what you pay for, my previous Ultra lasted over 5yrs....still works but 550watts has limit of what it can support. I went with the X4 850watt. Has plenty of Amps down the 12v rail and will provide enough wattage in case you wanted to Xfire or SLI.

Also its the only power supply out that is truly modular (basically you plug in and use what cables you need instead of the thread of spaghetti coming out the of the power supply) as they hold the patent, all other manufactures either state "modular" but have the main thread of cables still coming out and have a couple cables modular or they paid licensing.

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[jsa2001]

The problem was quite simple my fault for not checking but i had the wrong display setting under change display settings thats all. I did say "No worries ive sorted it out" but thanks anyway.

[Heatseeker]

So...

http://wccftech.com/2010/06/04/gigabyte-reveals-gap67aud7-lga-1155-socket-motherboard/

Intel has new sockets/cpu's/chipsets for early 2011 or just speculation? :confused: .

[Salvatore_Lee]

@<hidden>

OS? XP, Vista, or Win 7?



Damn, I keep forgetting this :pet6:

Windows 7 Ultimate.

So you guys are saying it's more likely tied to a HDD failure? Weird, I was thinking it's mainly overheating sice this shiat keeps happening when laptop gets a bit more hot.:confused:

As for BSODs, they don't occur to me anymore...:j:

[jsa2001]

Damn, I keep forgetting this :pet6:

Windows 7 Ultimate.

So you guys are saying it's more likely tied to a HDD failure? Weird, I was thinking it's mainly overheating sice this shiat keeps happening when laptop gets a bit more hot.:confused:

As for BSODs, they don't occur to me anymore...:j:

It doesnt hurt to run chkdsk but running it eliminates possible problems.

[echo1]

Suggest Ultra X4 series power supplies. They have a "real" active PFC, high class capacitors, and also warrant a lifetime warranty as most only warrant 3yrs with limited support. You pay more for it, but you get what you pay for, my previous Ultra lasted over 5yrs....still works but 550watts has limit of what it can support. I went with the X4 850watt. Has plenty of Amps down the 12v rail and will provide enough wattage in case you wanted to Xfire or SLI.

Also its the only power supply out that is truly modular (basically you plug in and use what cables you need instead of the thread of spaghetti coming out the of the power supply) as they hold the patent, all other manufactures either state "modular" but have the main thread of cables still coming out and have a couple cables modular or they paid licensing.

All of these things don't really mean anything... what OEM makes them?

EDIT: A quick glance through some reviews suggests they are decent but not spectacular. Better off with some Seasonics really.

[Salvatore_Lee]

Well, I ran the HDD test and there are supposedly no problems.:confused:

[NeMeSiS]

No part of NTFS, not Windows 7, NTFS started back in Win NT and Win 2000.

Make sure you are an administrator and the file is not in use that you are trying to change/delete/ whatever.

Except that i never had to change the ownership of a file in XP, hell i dont think it was even possible. I dont get why i am not the owner of files i installed myself.
I am admin, i have only 1 useraccount, however apparently some things i installed belong to 'TrustedInstaller' and not me.
I already worked my way around it but i cant say that this feature is an improvement in any way.

[echo1]

I remember this was a big problem in Windows Vista when MS started enforcing access control, but I have had no issues with it in 7.

[SASsnipey]

hi everyone im new to the forums so please go gentle :)

where do i start ? well i play ARMA 2 and OA religiously day in day out
but have expeirienced a problem and i need to eliminate it
about 4 days ago i heard a pop snap sound come from my machine then within 24hrs further more gaming the machine switches off and restarts automaticly
and now im lucky to get like 3 hours arma gaimng till it switches off again
i dont get any blue screen so im safe to assume my ram is good
and i guess if it was to be a motherboard problem i wouldnt be able to switch the machine on let alone play games
my graphix card does get hot i done atest and its peaked around 79-80c whilst in game
finger maby pointing towards the power supply box perhaps ??
i have my side case opened ive cleaned out any dust present and now blowing a 12" desktop fan into the case but i still get the shutdowns

has anyone had simular issues or any experience in what it could be before i spend cash on replacements ?

my machine is a i7 quad core i have 6gig ddr3 ram motherboard is P6T-SE and my graphics card is a NVIDIA 9800GT

sorry if post is in wrong location but im new to the site and learning to find my feet :)

kind regards SASsnipey

[MadDogX]

That does sound like a possible PSU problem, although it may be a faulty electrolytic capacitor on your motherboard. (As indicated by that "pop snap" sound you heard.)

If possible, I would recommend grabbing a new PSU first to see if the problem goes away. If it doesn't, the problem is probably with the motherboard.

[jsa2001]

hi everyone im new to the forums so please go gentle :)

where do i start ? well i play ARMA 2 and OA religiously day in day out
but have expeirienced a problem and i need to eliminate it
about 4 days ago i heard a pop snap sound come from my machine then within 24hrs further more gaming the machine switches off and restarts automaticly
and now im lucky to get like 3 hours arma gaimng till it switches off again
i dont get any blue screen so im safe to assume my ram is good
and i guess if it was to be a motherboard problem i wouldnt be able to switch the machine on let alone play games
my graphix card does get hot i done atest and its peaked around 79-80c whilst in game
finger maby pointing towards the power supply box perhaps ??
i have my side case opened ive cleaned out any dust present and now blowing a 12" desktop fan into the case but i still get the shutdowns

has anyone had simular issues or any experience in what it could be before i spend cash on replacements ?

my machine is a i7 quad core i have 6gig ddr3 ram motherboard is P6T-SE and my graphics card is a NVIDIA 9800GT

sorry if post is in wrong location but im new to the site and learning to find my feet :)

kind regards SASsnipey

It might be worthwhile investing in a psu tester especially if you system build or repair computers, it will check for any abnormal currents and they're quite cheap to. It would be wise as well to make sure you have no loose connections just push everything in and maybe reseat the cooler on the processor

[echo1]

hi everyone im new to the forums so please go gentle :)

where do i start ? well i play ARMA 2 and OA religiously day in day out
but have expeirienced a problem and i need to eliminate it
about 4 days ago i heard a pop snap sound come from my machine then within 24hrs further more gaming the machine switches off and restarts automaticly
and now im lucky to get like 3 hours arma gaimng till it switches off again
i dont get any blue screen so im safe to assume my ram is good
and i guess if it was to be a motherboard problem i wouldnt be able to switch the machine on let alone play games
my graphix card does get hot i done atest and its peaked around 79-80c whilst in game
finger maby pointing towards the power supply box perhaps ??
i have my side case opened ive cleaned out any dust present and now blowing a 12" desktop fan into the case but i still get the shutdowns

has anyone had simular issues or any experience in what it could be before i spend cash on replacements ?

my machine is a i7 quad core i have 6gig ddr3 ram motherboard is P6T-SE and my graphics card is a NVIDIA 9800GT

sorry if post is in wrong location but im new to the site and learning to find my feet :)

kind regards SASsnipey

It's almost definitely a PSU problem. If you want to be particularly sure, download memtest86, burn it to a disk and boot into it and let it run. Should show up any possible RAM failures.

I wouldn't bother with PSU testers, most of them are junk, and the ones that are not are probably more expensive than a good replacement PSU.

With a system like yours, I would recommend something like a 500-600W Corsair PSU, which you can get from most decent online retailers.

What sort of PSU do you have currently?

[SASsnipey]

thanks for all your replys
i have a 850w psu BUT ive found the problem at long last lol it was the graphix card
i took it off to look at it and found 2 of the 3 barrel shaped transisters or capacitor on the circit board had blown apart
so now im looking to get a new card but have a budget of 180-200 pounds so what do you all recommend i go for ?

[MadDogX]

thanks for all your replys
i have a 850w psu BUT ive found the problem at long last lol it was the graphix card
i took it off to look at it and found 2 of the 3 barrel shaped transisters or capacitor on the circit board had blown apart
so now im looking to get a new card but have a budget of 180-200 pounds so what do you all recommend i go for ?
Yeah, those are electrolytic capacitors. Good thing you had a look on the graphics card, as I never thought to check there. :)

As for gfx card recommendations, go for the fastest single card you can afford. Perhaps a Radeon HD4890, but I'm not sure about current prices.

[Heatseeker]

thanks for all your replys
i have a 850w psu BUT ive found the problem at long last lol it was the graphix card
i took it off to look at it and found 2 of the 3 barrel shaped transisters or capacitor on the circit board had blown apart
so now im looking to get a new card but have a budget of 180-200 pounds so what do you all recommend i go for ?

GTX 460 1GB or HD 5850 sound perfect :) .

[jsa2001]

thanks for all your replys
i have a 850w psu BUT ive found the problem at long last lol it was the graphix card
i took it off to look at it and found 2 of the 3 barrel shaped transisters or capacitor on the circit board had blown apart
so now im looking to get a new card but have a budget of 180-200 pounds so what do you all recommend i go for ?

Glad you found the problem, But i would check the voltages coming put of your PSU just in case. Just out of interest which make was the 9800GT?

[echo1]

thanks for all your replys
i have a 850w psu BUT ive found the problem at long last lol it was the graphix card
i took it off to look at it and found 2 of the 3 barrel shaped transisters or capacitor on the circit board had blown apart
so now im looking to get a new card but have a budget of 180-200 pounds so what do you all recommend i go for ?

What make is the PSU?

And +1 for the GTX 460.

[TechnoTerrorist303]

Does anyone have any RMA experience from ebuyer? I have to return my heatsink and fan (booo hissss) and I'm currently sitting in waiting for someone to collect it... I'm just wondering if anybody has any idea from experience how long it will take to get the replacement. I can load Arma2 on my laptop for editing etc but it doesn't really run very well for testing :)

[jsa2001]

Does anyone have any RMA experience from ebuyer? I have to return my heatsink and fan (booo hissss) and I'm currently sitting in waiting for someone to collect it... I'm just wondering if anybody has any idea from experience how long it will take to get the replacement. I can load Arma2 on my laptop for editing etc but it doesn't really run very well for testing :)

They were really bad a few years ago. Not sure if they've got their act together since. Do a search on them and you will get a better perspective.

[kavoven]

I've got a question regarding ebooks. As far as I know, there are currently two serious readers out there - the iPad and that Amazon thing.

Can anyone tell me, how buying and so on works? What formats are the "books" in? Is that one pdf format or are they using different ones?

[Heatseeker]

And +1 for the GTX 460.

Switching a dead 8800 gtx with a "skinny" gtx 460 768 was really awkward, it felt like taking a lambo out of the garage and replacing it with a punto.. but the tiny, cheap looking 460 really is a tiny monster, even crippled by a beaten, low end dual core, no wonder i couldnt find the 1 GB version anywhere..

Almost as small as my sound card, low temps, low power consumption, nice performance and beats the crap out of my old 8800, cool little thing :cool: .

[froggyluv]

Glad to hear the GTX 460 is a good card as I just ordered one and it should be arriving tommorow. :yay:

My 4870 512mb's fan has been getting really loud in a clankety-clank kinda way and it's been running hotter and hotter until I finally had to open the case and blow external on it. I've been an ATI fan for many years now and have only had the card for 2 years so figured it was time for a change. Wasn't really knowledagable on current cards and my budget $200 US, seem to place me between the 460 or ATI 5830. From what I could gather in a 4 hour dig, the 460 is a pretty nice card and I can't wait for the new addition to my family:)

[banenwn]

Ive been playing arma 2 for a while now ive upgraded from a e8400 gtx 260 to a phenom 965 BE gtx 465.My question is how well does sli actually work in ARMA 2?I can run the game ok now but im looking to eek out some more fps.Ive heard conflicting reports about SLI in arma 2 and was wondering if another gtx 465 would give me better performance then a gtx 480?If not ill be going with the 480 because i do not want to buy another gtx 465 if i get little or no increase in performance.With that said i see a nice improvement with quad core over my e8400 dual.everything just seems to run alot smoother.thanks in advance for any advice

[echo1]

SLI doesn't work reliably work with ArmA 2. Just look at the Troubleshooting forum...

[BangTail]

SLI doesn't work reliably work with ArmA 2. Just look at the Troubleshooting forum...

It works fine.

A large percentage of the 'problems' are more user error than anything else. It was dodgy for a couple of weeks after the initial release of A2 (and that was purely down to the lack of a proper profile that was quickly rectified).

@<hidden> - 465 SLI is faster than 1 480 and you will notice a difference. The only thing that blows about any amount of GPU horsepower vis a vis Arma 2 is that when you are in cities with a lot of AI, your FPS will drop. This has nothing to do with SLI or lack of SLI, it is purely a limitation of the engine at this point.

In open areas my FPS is halved when SLI is disabled.

[sesdelta38]

@<hidden> ch 123:

I got the motherboard, rocessor, graphics card and power supply.

I just need the hard drive, disk drive, computer case, memory, speakers and monitor.

However, I got a 19" plasma screen TV that I'm using as monitor. It's set 720p. Would i be able to use it for the gaming PC?

[TechnoTerrorist303]

@<hidden> ch 123:

I got the motherboard, rocessor, graphics card and power supply.

I just need the hard drive, disk drive, computer case, memory, speakers and monitor.

However, I got a 19" plasma screen TV that I'm using as monitor. It's set 720p. Would i be able to use it for the gaming PC?

720p is 1280X800 (I think) so that should be fine for now, check the refresh rate though as plasmas tend to leave trails if they aren't good.

[echo1]

@<hidden> ch 123:

I got the motherboard, rocessor, graphics card and power supply.

I just need the hard drive, disk drive, computer case, memory, speakers and monitor.

However, I got a 19" plasma screen TV that I'm using as monitor. It's set 720p. Would i be able to use it for the gaming PC?

AFAIK, plasma screens can get some nasty screen burn-in (i.e. a still image will burn itself into the screen that you constantly see it). I'm not sure if that is still the case, but you might want to read into it first.

[sesdelta38]

AFAIK, plasma screens can get some nasty screen burn-in (i.e. a still image will burn itself into the screen that you constantly see it). I'm not sure if that is still the case, but you might want to read into it first.
Alright then. Which monitor would you recommend? Does the DVD drive need to be compatible with the motherboard?

[Inkompetent]

Alright then. Which monitor would you recommend? Does the DVD drive need to be compatible with the motherboard?

Just any LCD screen really. If your DVD drive has a IDE-connector (broad, flat cable with 22 wires or something in it) and not a SATA (flat, stiffer, and much smaller than IDE) one you would need to make sure there is an IDE-port on the motherboard. Most new motherboards do have one IDE-port though, but better safe than sorry.

[sesdelta38]

Just any LCD screen really. If your DVD drive has a IDE-connector (broad, flat cable with 22 wires or something in it) and not a SATA (flat, stiffer, and much smaller than IDE) one you would need to make sure there is an IDE-port on the motherboard. Most new motherboards do have one IDE-port though, but better safe than sorry.

This the motherboard I chose:

-GIGABYTE GA-790XTA-UD4 AM3 AMD

What kind of DVD drive would be compatible with it?

[echo1]

Any SATA one would do fine. LG make decent ones.

[Hoot1988]

Hey guys.

I hope this goes in the right thread.

Basically my GFs flat has a issue that one of her housemates friends has stolen an external HD from someone else in the flat and we are trying to work out if it is the same HD. Most of the files on there are the same as the other housemate says are on there. I was wondering if there is any software out there that can tell you where a HD has been plugged into in the past? Or any other methods of confirming ownership?

Thanks for any help ::j

[NeMeSiS]

Hey guys.

I hope this goes in the right thread.

Basically my GFs flat has a issue that one of her housemates friends has stolen an external HD from someone else in the flat and we are trying to work out if it is the same HD. Most of the files on there are the same as the other housemate says are on there. I was wondering if there is any software out there that can tell you where a HD has been plugged into in the past? Or any other methods of confirming ownership?

Thanks for any help ::j

http://conservativeoasis.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/24torture.gif

Jack Bauer has a method of confirming ownership.

[XXXEliteXXX]

I'm on a view for new graphics card but is unsure whether my PC will hold this I have a Dell XPS / Dimension XPS Gen 3 with Pentium ® whit Pci-Express 4CPU-3.40GHz-3.39GHz, 2.00GB RAMog and addapter at 460 W. pc is from 2004 and has a Radeon X800 XT (only shader 1.0) and works fine on Cod 4,Crysi.s When we bought this computer, we paid around 3000 so it was Beste at the time, but is unsure whether it is possible to buy a graphics card that can also run Arma 2, which requires Minimum system requirements:
Windows XP or Windows Vista
Dual Core CPU
nVidia GeForce 7800 / ATI Radeon 1800




So it is possible to buy a graphics card to that Pc and run Arma 2 and not make the PC crashes? came up with suggestions on different cards, the best also ho can can fit my pc, Price is not the most important.

Tanks for all answers

[sesdelta38]

@<hidden>:
This is my current list of parts. I still need to add more.

-GIGABYTE GA-790XTA-UD4 AM3 AMD 790X SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard-$129.99

-SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive-$74.99

-AMD Phenom X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad Core Processor.

-XFX HD-587X-ZNDC Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) XXX Edition 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX-$419.99

-OCZ Gold 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1333 (PC10666) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1333LV8GK-$189.99

-CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-650HX 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply-$119.99

-SAMSUNG 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 4X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk LightScribe Support - OEM-$24.99

-Antec Three Hundred + BP430 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 430W Power Supply-$90.00

So. Will these parts work?

[blackettle]

ATI5970 vs GTX480

Which performs best in this game?

[Acoustic]

Hello all. I am soon to be getting a new 5750 to replace my 4670. While that's all dandy, I think maybe I should look into overclocking my CPU. I will start off by saying, I don't have a clue as to how to do anything with overclocking. So please put into terms for a "Overclocking Noob". Here are my system specs...

Asus m3a76-cm Mobo
ATI Radeon 4670(soon to be 5750, wanna play Arma at it's best )
Amd Athlon x4 620 Quad Core processor
Mushkin Enhanced 2gb RAM


Thanks1

[MadDogX]

Acoustic, you will definitely want to check out Overclock.net (http://overclock.net/). They have lots of guides that explain overclocking, even for specific motherboards (because it's slightly different for every BIOS).

For starters, here are some very basic things you should know about overclocking:

- CPU clock frequency is calculated by FSB times multiplier. For example, if you have an FSB of 300Mhz and a multiplier of 9x, then the resulting clock frequency will be 300x9 = 2700, or 2,7Ghz.

- Most overclocking is done by increasing the FSB (because CPU manufacturers usually lock the multiplier). For example, if you increased the FSB from the above example to 333Mhz, you would get ~3Ghz.

- Overclocking possibilities are limited by several factors, most notably the CPU voltage. If you increase the clock frequency too far without increasing the voltage, the system will become unstable.

- You cannot increase voltage infinitely, because A: higher voltage means more heat, so the CPU may get hotter if your cooling solution is insufficient, and B: too high voltage may damage the CPU. The maximum safe voltage is usually known, and you should not exceed it unless you are feeling very brave. Also note that higher voltages reduce hardware life in the long term.

- Once you have found an overclock that seems to work, you should test it thouroughly using a program like Prime95 for several hours (preferrably over night). Only if your system runs without error through several hours of 100% load should the overclock be considered stable.


There is of course a lot more you will need to learn, but those are the most important things I could think of to get you started. ;)

[banenwn]

It works fine.

A large percentage of the 'problems' are more user error than anything else. It was dodgy for a couple of weeks after the initial release of A2 (and that was purely down to the lack of a proper profile that was quickly rectified).

@<hidden> - 465 SLI is faster than 1 480 and you will notice a difference. The only thing that blows about any amount of GPU horsepower vis a vis Arma 2 is that when you are in cities with a lot of AI, your FPS will drop. This has nothing to do with SLI or lack of SLI, it is purely a limitation of the engine at this point.

In open areas my FPS is halved when SLI is disabled. I dunno about that ive tried every last suggestion on this board to get arma 2 to work in sli and it just doesnt.guess some are just lucky and some arent.Im going to sli gtx 470's and sell off one of my gtx 465.the gtx 465 plays the game great but wish i could get sli to work

[ziiip]

You must see the truth: http://files.sharenator.com/12362152488400_Gamers-s780x1820-33252-580.jpg

[sesdelta38]

@<hidden>:
This is my current list of parts. I still need to add more.

-GIGABYTE GA-790XTA-UD4 AM3 AMD 790X SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard-$129.99

-SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive-$74.99

-AMD Phenom X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad Core Processor.

-XFX HD-587X-ZNDC Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) XXX Edition 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX-$419.99

-OCZ Gold 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1333 (PC10666) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1333LV8GK-$189.99

-CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-650HX 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply-$119.99

-SAMSUNG 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 4X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk LightScribe Support - OEM-$24.99

-Antec Three Hundred + BP430 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 430W Power Supply-$90.00

So. Will these parts work?

I'm still wondering. Will these parts work? Anyone???

EDIT: I need to edit the list a little. I had to choose some different parts.

[TechnoTerrorist303]

Why are you buying a case with a power supply and then a seperate power supply as well?

[echo1]

The parts look good, but as pointed out, get a case without a PSU. In fact, the ones that come with PSUs are usually low quality.

[sesdelta38]

The parts look good, but as pointed out, get a case without a PSU. In fact, the ones that come with PSUs are usually low quality.

Then which case should I get?

[TechnoTerrorist303]

Antec 300 is actually a good case but you don't need to get it with a PSU.

[Tonci87]

Hi guys, I´m interested in buying a new GPU, maybe the HD 5850.
I´m curious if my PC can handle that.

My current system
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 @<hidden>,5 GHz
4Gb Ram
Nvidia GeForce 9500 GS
Mainboard: MS-7366 ver. 2.2
Power Supply: FSP400-60MDN with 400W and 20A on the 12V rail

Thanks in advance

[MadDogX]

Hi guys, I´m interested in buying a new GPU, maybe the HD 5850.
I´m curious if my PC can handle that.

My current system
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 @<hidden>,5 GHz
4Gb Ram
Nvidia GeForce 9500 GS
Mainboard: MS-7366 ver. 2.2
Power Supply: FSP400-60MDN with 400W and 20A on the 12V rail

Thanks in advance
The HD5850 can apparently use up to ~150W. Possibly even more, since it requires two 6-pin power connectors (so it could theoretically go up to 225W).

Most 400W power supplies only have one of those 6-pin connectors (not sure about yours, can't find much info about it). There are adaptors of course, but on the whole I think a 400W PSU may still struggle under load from such a card.

[Tonci87]

You my be right, what PSU would you suggest?

[echo1]

One of Corsair's PSUs... something in the 550-650W region.

[Tonci87]

I´m thinking about buying a Cougar Power 550W

[echo1]

Don't bother with non-brand PSUs, they're shit.

Just get a Corsair and it will work perfectly.

[Tonci87]

So I´ll get myself a nice PSU, a nice HD5850 and maybe I´ll overclock my Quad-Core. I wonder how many FPS I´ll get in OA......

EDIT: There are many HD 5850 Variants out there, which one is the best?

[Barely-injured]

Hey guys i have an HD4850 And performance wise I have no complaints about it whatsoever. However It tends to heat up really bad causing the fans to spin really fast making lots of noise. Recently I have decided I have had enough with the noise as its starting to impede on my enjoyment of the few high demanding games that i have including ArmA 2 (I even had a few restarts due to overheating incidents). Its time to get a new card.

My requirements are #1 a card that doesn't heat up badly or if it does that it's fan/s don't make a lot of noise cooling. #2 I wish to avoid having to upgrade my PSU if at all possible, I have 400W PSU that seems to handle the 4850 quite well. #3 Obviously i still want it to be better in performance than my 4850 as its still an upgrade after all.

From my research I think a GTX460 seems like a good candidate. So I want to ask is 400W enough for it ?. and I also would appreciate any alternative cards that you guys can suggest for me for those requirements that are more or less in the same price line as the 460.

Thanks

[Tonci87]

Ok I´m starting to think about buying this:
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a506736.html?v=k
or even this
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a518181.html

@<hidden>, do it like me, get a decent PSU and a good Card.

[Barely-injured]

@<hidden>, do it like me, get a decent PSU and a good Card.

Unfortunately I cant afford a 5850 right now nor the extra PSU that it will require :o .

And after the Heating issues with my 4850 i am not super excited about the idea either.

[LordHorusNL]

I'm looking into buying a new game/workstation to run Arma 2 and photoshop/3ds max with a lot of multitasking going on.

This is what i was thinking:

Intel Core i7 950
Asus Rampage 3 Gene
Scythe Mugen 2 Rev.B
Corsair Dominator TR3X6G1600C8D
OCZ Vertex 2 SATA II 2.5" SSD 60GB
Western Digital Caviar GreenPower WD20EARS, 2TB
Cooler Master HAF 922
Cooler Master Silent Pro M850
EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SuperClocked 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E
Samsung Synmaster p2470h

I want to add another video card in the near future but i'm still up in the air about getting the EVGA GTX 460 X2 or the Sapphire 5850 x2. What would be best for arma?

Also do you guys think i could run this with a 600 watt psu? 850 might be a bit much. I might add another 6 gigs soon and the second video card.

Might switch the Scythe mugen 2 for a corsair H70? With no oc'ing no more cooling should be needed i hope:)

First system i've built in a while so i'm not to sure, any comments/tips would be appreciated.

Thanks

[kavoven]

Can anyone tell me the real important differences between Adobe Premiere Elements and the matching Pro CS Version?

I really like filming and editing. My cam can film in full HD but the stupid software (Its a Panasonic SD-9) won't let me to save a video in a greater resolution than 720. I was fine with that for the past year but now its starting to upset me, considering the amount of quality I lose with the editing process.

So I searched the web for tools to read their AVCHDL whatever format, which led me after many tries back to the Adobe Products.
I'm willing to pay the 450 Euros for the CS5 Student Edition, but just before ordering I noticed that you need a 64bit system to run it. (By the way - my computer is a Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 @<hidden> ghz - is this a 64bit system? Guess not...I didn't follow any hardware trends for 4 years :o
Edit - Oh just read that it CAN handle 64 bit... so I just need a new windows?)

It seems like Elements doesn't need a 64 bit system, but the screenshots looked like Windows Movie Maker :rolleyes:

For now I'm using the Trial Version of Pinnacle Studio 14 for reading the stupid format and converting it into something thats real HD and readable for my current Premiere Version. (No comments on that)

Last but not least - is there a way to buy Adobe Premiere Pro CS 4 Student Editon? The normal one still costs 1000 euros at Amazon and thats really too much.

[CameronMcDonald]

(By the way - my computer is a Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 @<hidden> ghz - is this a 64bit system? Guess not...I didn't follow any hardware trends for 4 years :o
Edit - Oh just read that it CAN handle 64 bit... so I just need a new windows?)

Intel processors natively support x64 OSs, so yeah, all you need is a x64 version of Windows. :)

[SgtH3nry3]

Intel processors natively support x64 OSs, so yeah, all you need is a x64 version of Windows. :)Intel processors from Core 2 up and all AMD's after 2003.

[echo1]

Well, also certain variants of the Pentium 4 (600 series) and Pentium D (900 series), but that's largely incidental.

[kavoven]

Edit

Delete please

[Shadow NX]

Been a while but now another problem popped up and maybe one of the experts here has a idea / solution.

Situation:

I have a ATI HD4870 and two HDMI cables attachted to it with a DVI adapter.

One cable is for the monitor ( HP W2207h ) and one is attached to my TV ( Panasonic ) T-XP42GW20.

My Soundcard is a onboard Realtek HD Audio ( Driver v.5.10.0.5532 )

Now i want to get the PC sound to the TV over the HDMI cable, in the Realtek menue i got a option to switch output to "HDA HDMI Out" which is good but that only leads to sound over my Monitors crappy speakers.

There is no option for a second output saddly.

Also switching cables didnt help, still same.

Plugging out the Monitor HDMI cable so only the TVs is left leads to the HDMI Output option dissapearing as if the TV wouldnt be recognized as potencial target for sound output.

So this drives me insane, watching Films or Playing games ( Emulation mainly ) over the TV with no sound from the source of the picture is pretty annoying.

I also tried a cable with a normal audio jack and the usual white and red plugs for left and right but with that i also didnt get sound, possibly that must be activated somwhere in the menue?
Yet there is no option at all.

Anyone has a idea?

---EDIT---

Riddle solved, after lots of googeling i found out that only the original ATI DVI to HDMI adapter allows to get sound over the DVI port of the card.

I switched out the cables and oh joy now all works perfectly fine.

So for those that made the same mistake, only use the original adapter for your TV for the PC monitor any DVI adapter will do.

[DMarkwick]

So what's the current Gold Standard for motherboards? I was favouring Asus and the Rampage III Extreme, however if there's a motherboard that can take at least 2x i7 quad CPUs and > 24 GB RAM and still have a good write-up, I'm all ears :)

[BangTail]

For 2 processors, EVGA SR-2 (although you will have to go Xeon for 2 processors)

Specs :

http://www.evga.com/articles/00537/

Review:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-classified-sr2-review/

For single CPU, I favor Gigabyte over ASUS (although there is nothing wrong with ASUS).

The UD9 is an excellent motherboard, I'm very happy with it (The whole X58A-UDx series is great).

Specs:

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3434#ov

Review:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-x58a-ud9-review/1

Of course, if you want the best, I would wait for Sandy Bridge E/Waimea Bay in Q2 2011 :D

[archsceptic.]

Guys,

Yesterday I received my new ati 6870 graphics card, to replace my ati 4870 X2. After installing the card and booting up windows I get the bsod. I tried starting in safe mode - which avoided the bsod - but was then unable to install drivers off the bundled dvd without the install aborting.

I emailed the supplier about the problem, expecting them to say the card was probably a dud, but they have just suggested:

"We have found that with the newer ATI cards there is compatibility issue with older drivers. If you can, please reinstall windows".

This to me is nonsensical. I've told them that re-installing windows is an inconvenience I could do without - I'm waiting for a reply.

Used with Win7 64bit, Intel X58 Platinum mobo, i7 940.

What do you think????

:(

[BangTail]

Guys,

Yesterday I received my new ati 6870 graphics card, to replace my ati 4870 X2. After installing the card and booting up windows I get the bsod. I tried starting in safe mode - which avoided the bsod - but was then unable to install drivers off the bundled dvd without the install aborting.

I emailed the supplier about the problem, expecting them to say the card was probably a dud, but they have just suggested:

"We have found that with the newer ATI cards there is compatibility issue with older drivers. If you can, please reinstall windows".

This to me is nonsensical. I've told them that re-installing windows is an inconvenience I could do without - I'm waiting for a reply.

Used with Win7 64bit, Intel X58 Platinum mobo, i7 940.

What do you think????

:(

I too had problems getting the 6870 installed and most of the 'experts' suggested a full reinstall of Windows which is just not an option for me when switching video cards, it's an utterly ridiculous concept.

Here is what solved my problems with AMD's drivers:


This is an old thread, but it's one of the top search results for "ccc won't run" so I wanted to post another possible solution here. My solution was to clear out the Windows GAC (Global Assembly Cache). In Windows 7, you can browse directly to "C:\Windows\assembly". Sort by "Public Key Token", then delete everything with the Token "90ba9c70f846762e" (ATI's key). You'll obviously need Administrator privileges. No reboot needed either. Reinstalled CCC and it ran perfectly!

The GAC lets you share DLL's that are the same version number. If it's in the GAC, any installer will NOT install a new DLL - it'll use the one in the GAC. If the GAC DLL is corrupted, you're majorly SOL.

When I reinstalled the CCC, it took longer to install then it had before. Presumably, this was due to the installer copying all the correct DLL's to my hard drive. And no ATI DLL's have made it back into my GAC.


Original Thread:

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/mobility-radeon-drivers-support/186707-problems-installing-catalyst-control-center.html

Clearing the GAC, doing a driver sweep etc should solve your problems but I offer no guarantee :(

[archsceptic.]

Thanks BangTail, I'll look into this.

You dont expect to have to re-install windows if you change your gpu - what's the world coming to?

:mad::confused::(

[chris330]

Hi had to re-post this I posted in the wrong section - haven't been around here for a while :p

****

Hi :)

I'm looking to start playing wwiionline again, but I've sold all my old hardware :rolleyes:

I know a bit about code but bugger all about hardware. I'm looking for a middle of the road graphics card and straight forward PSU to back it up. I don't want to spend a load of money on some fancy Corsair PSU again if I don't need to.

Can anyone recommend a reasonable power supply unit and graphics card to go with it? I'm a bit worried about buying PSU's which are not 'single rail' as I've heard these are prone to problems, but I wouldn't have a damn clue what any of it means. I'm thinking of a PSU up around 500W with just a basic card costing around £40.

Any ideas - thanks for any help offered ;)

[larsiano]

If you get a low-end videocard 500W will be more then enuigh. But if you say you sold all your hardware it mean you need a complete new sys? as 40pound is not that much to start with you have little choice. Or if you mean to spend it on just the PSU look for a nice 520W or 600W of any make! Middle of the road PGU would be a EN270 or ATI56xx serie (+ or minus a few numbers) IF you like to play games a lot like Arma that is. I dont know if you have a good monitor or not so a little more info on all this might help decide what you need and want, :)

[chris330]

Thanks for the reply! 500W sounds ok then thanks :)

I just need a new PSU (present one is very weak) and a card. I think I've got a PSU nailed down but unsure on the card.

Any suggestions at all? Doesn't have to be too much;)

[larsiano]

if your happy to play Arma2 on low settings you can get a 8800GT for around 25pound (here at least at computer club/site) or a little higher @<hidden> around 100pound a:


normal:
http://tweakers.net/aanbod/283190/club3d-nvidia-gtx465-1-gb-dx-11.html
http://tweakers.net/aanbod/283051/msi-n260gtx-t2d896.html
http://tweakers.net/aanbod/283105/sapphire-vapor-x-hd5770-1gb-gddr5-pcie.html

cheap:
http://tweakers.net/aanbod/283178/xfx-9800gt-met-zalman-vf950-led.html
http://tweakers.net/aanbod/282899/asus-en8800gt-g-htdp-512m.html

sry for the dutch site but its just to show you some 2th hand options available for me (local is better then Ebay sinds it cheaper)

[DMarkwick]

For 2 processors, EVGA SR-2 (although you will have to go Xeon for 2 processors)

Specs :

http://www.evga.com/articles/00537/

Review:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-classified-sr2-review/

For single CPU, I favor Gigabyte over ASUS (although there is nothing wrong with ASUS).

The UD9 is an excellent motherboard, I'm very happy with it (The whole X58A-UDx series is great).

Specs:

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3434#ov

Review:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-x58a-ud9-review/1

Of course, if you want the best, I would wait for Sandy Bridge E/Waimea Bay in Q2 2011 :D

Hmm, thanks for that, I eventually went for the Gigabyte X58A-UD7 motherboard after looking really hard at online reviews etc :) and, rather unpredictably, the decision between Asus and Gigabyte was based mostly on the number of PS2 ports. I have a dual monitor KVM that uses PS2 connections so that made the decision for me :)

But, I'm very happy with the new setup. Not overclocked it yet from factory settings, I figure I'll wait a few weeks and guage it's native stability first. So far, so good :)

Populated it with an i7 950, 12gb RAM (doubling soon) and put my nVidia GTX 280 from my old machine into it, and a couple of Barracuda 2tb SATA3 drives, no RAID. It needs to run Lightwave 9.6/10 and Vue xStream 9 so that's why all the memory.

Most importantly, it runs ArmA2 great and my script-lag has gone :)

[chris330]

if your happy to play Arma2 on low settings you can get a 8800GT for around 25pound (here at least at computer club/site) or a little higher @<hidden> around 100pound a:


normal:
http://tweakers.net/aanbod/283190/club3d-nvidia-gtx465-1-gb-dx-11.html
http://tweakers.net/aanbod/283051/msi-n260gtx-t2d896.html
http://tweakers.net/aanbod/283105/sapphire-vapor-x-hd5770-1gb-gddr5-pcie.html

cheap:
http://tweakers.net/aanbod/283178/xfx-9800gt-met-zalman-vf950-led.html
http://tweakers.net/aanbod/282899/asus-en8800gt-g-htdp-512m.html

sry for the dutch site but its just to show you some 2th hand options available for me (local is better then Ebay sinds it cheaper)

That's great thanks for your help! I've just ordered one, cheers ;)

[BangTail]

Hmm, thanks for that, I eventually went for the Gigabyte X58A-UD7 motherboard after looking really hard at online reviews etc :) and, rather unpredictably, the decision between Asus and Gigabyte was based mostly on the number of PS2 ports. I have a dual monitor KVM that uses PS2 connections so that made the decision for me :)

But, I'm very happy with the new setup. Not overclocked it yet from factory settings, I figure I'll wait a few weeks and guage it's native stability first. So far, so good :)

Populated it with an i7 950, 12gb RAM (doubling soon) and put my nVidia GTX 280 from my old machine into it, and a couple of Barracuda 2tb SATA3 drives, no RAID. It needs to run Lightwave 9.6/10 and Vue xStream 9 so that's why all the memory.

Most importantly, it runs ArmA2 great and my script-lag has gone :)

The UD7 is an equally good motherboard.

Glad you are enjoying your new setup :D

[Mustangdelta]

My current set up is as follows;


I7-960 processor
2 5870's in crossfire
12 GB ram
Win 7 64 bit

My question is this, will I see any dramatic performance increase if I change over to a Nvidia 580?

The main complaints I have with ATI cards are the texture popping (although I don't think its as near as bad as some people) and just the messy way ATI releases its drivers (never work properly don't really clean the old ones out that well, etc)

I'm looking for feedback from both Nvidia and ATI crossfire users.

Thanks

[Sinzan]

I went from 2 HD5850's to a GTX480 I have no regrets.

[BangTail]

CF is sadly lacking in Arma 2. Some reviews show them to be close but the reality is SLI is way better in Arma 2 (and everywhere else)

I've used both extensively and I will never go CF again without witnessing a massive improvement first hand.

[Murphe]

I assume this is the right place to ask.

My soundcard recently pack in so I'm now using the onboard soundcard of my Asus P5Q3. I use headphones when playing Arma 2 and I was looking to using the headphone port on the front panel of my tower. The problem was that there was a lot of static and other noise due to interferance from the hardware in my PC. I read around and found people saying that if you disconnect the front panel USB and SATA cable from the motherboard it should help. It didn't. I then read that removing the grounding wire for the front panel solves the problem. It did.

So my question is this. What dangers are there to having no grounding wire here? I know what grounding wires are for but I just wanted some other opinions on the matter and whether or not I'm putting some of my hardware at risk.

[larsiano]

If you mean a grounded wall socket you dont need one but it would be best for your system at all time. If you mean removing the ground signal from the audioport i dont think that is what +, - and ground are ment for to have it functioning correctly. Removing a Sata cable for this will offer no solution. All you can do is reseat the audio cable (turn off PC> disconnect cable and reseat on both ends) and blow clear the input hole with compressed air. also check the cable and socket for damage. In some motherboard BIOS is an option for the front audio panel compatibility: look for : integrated prefs.:> front panel audio > set this to HDaudio if possible (check mobo manual for info how to get in BIOS) gl.

[Murphe]

It's the ground wire for the HDAudio cable, USB cable and eSATA cable from the front panel of my case that connect to the motherboard. The ground wire comes out of the front panel and attaches to the chasis. Removing all these (except the HDAudio cable) clears all the static and distortion. I'm just hoping that I'm not going to do any damage by removing this wire. Also for the sake of experimenting, having the grounding wire removed and USB cable plugged in caused static.

[sesdelta38]

Does anyone know if you can replace the graphics card of a Dell Inspiron with an ATI DX11 card?

[larsiano]

Does anyone know if you can replace the graphics card of a Dell Inspiron with an ATI DX11 card?If the new GPU has the same connector (prob. PCI-e) and your notebook has sufficient power it should be no problem. Only installing it is not the easiest task you can find in PC-country

[sesdelta38]

If the new GPU has the same connector (prob. PCI-e) and your notebook has sufficient power it should be no problem. Only installing it is not the easiest task you can find in PC-country

It's a desktop, not a notebook. I'm wondering if an ATI DX11 graphics card can fit in the case.

[larsiano]

It's a desktop, not a notebook. I'm wondering if an ATI DX11 graphics card can fit in the case. "Dell Inspiron" =notebook! you mean XPS, demention or optiplex for desktop. Anyway. If you get a highend card you will need 600W PSU easy to make it work, so just make sure you got it !

[sesdelta38]

"Dell Inspiron" =notebook! you mean XPS, demention or optiplex for desktop. Anyway. If you get a highend card you will need 600W PSU easy to make it work, so just make sure you got it !

Here is the PC I have:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dell+-+Inspiron+Desktop+/+AMD+Athlon%26%23153%3B+II+X4+Processor+/+6GB+Memory+/+750GB+Hard+Drive/9941275.p?id=1218198437877&skuId=9941275


Will an ATI Radeon fit in the case?

[echo1]

"Dell Inspiron" =notebook! you mean XPS, demention or optiplex for desktop. Anyway. If you get a highend card you will need 600W PSU easy to make it work, so just make sure you got it !

Wee bit out of date there, they replaced the Dimension branding with Inspiron a few years back. Go look at your nearest Dell site.

sesdelta: Depends on how good the PSU inside the Dell is.

[SPEKTRE76]

My tax return gift to myself. Note the GTX480 may get replaced with a GTX 580 if in stock at New Egg (www.newegg.com)


NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK Black Steel Full Tower Computer Case

2 x EVGA 015-P3-1480-AR GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5

IN WIN COMMANDER IRP-COM1200 1200W ATX 12V 2.3 / EPS 12V 2.91 SLI

Patriot Gamer Series 24GB (6 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

EVGA 141-GT-E770-A1 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard

Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM

COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler

SAMSUNG Black Blu-ray Drive SATA Model SH-B123L LightScribe Support - OEM

Patriot Inferno PI240GS25SSDR 2.5" 240GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)


:yay:

[ArmAriffic]

looks nice, wanna e-mail me your computer and i'll give you my crappy laptop :P

[DMarkwick]

You're going to have a blast :) I just recently built a new rig and ArmA2 has taken on a whole new shine.

[Katipo66]

Great stuff, I'm hopefully doing the same in a few weeks :D

[swissMAG]

Nice Rig you have coming there. For what purpose did you buy it? Arma alone or for other games too?

What kind of monitor will you use on those Graphiccards? 24" or 30" monitor? Or will you go for a triple screen setup?

You thinking about overclocking the CPU? With a good cooler, it will do easely 3.6 Ghz. Even 4Ghz is possible. You would gain much for ArmA. :cool:

A lot of memory have you planned? Mainly for 3DSMAX and Photoshop, i assume? Because ingame you wont use 1/4th of it... :rolleyes:

Have fun with it when you receive it :).

best regards

[TomatoArden]

Im guessing you'll have more than just an ssd for media storage? Nice specs!

[SPEKTRE76]

Nice Rig you have coming there. For what purpose did you buy it? Arma alone or for other games too?

What kind of monitor will you use on those Graphiccards? 24" or 30" monitor? Or will you go for a triple screen setup?



I am getting ready for Crysis 2. We all know what happened last time when the first one was released. The most powerful systems were brought to thier knees.

Additionally I need more power for Photoshop, Illustrator, 3DS Max and Solidworks.

I am using a dual screen set up ATM. The second screen (while in game) acts as my system monitor. I have Catalyst Control Center - ATi Overdrive up along with Task Manager under the Perfomance Tab. I also have my CPU meter widget running too. Main screen is 23" LED and the secondary is 22" LCD.

This way I can see how hard and how hot my system is getting while playing.


Im guessing you'll have more than just an ssd for media storage? Nice specs!

Yeah, I have a 1TB Segate external HDD soley for storage. The SSD with hold my OS, Games and Art/Modelling programs. Files/Music/Movies ect... will be stored on the external.

[Enad]

Jeez, nice! You sure that mobo can support 24GB of RAM?

[Enad]

Dells normally come with a 350 watt PSU unless you get an XPS, so no, a new graphics card will NOT work unless you get a new Power Supply.

[SPEKTRE76]

Jeez, nice! You sure that mobo can support 24GB of RAM?


Model

Brand EVGA

Model 141-GT-E770-A1 Supported CPU
CPU Socket Type LGA 1366
CPU Type Core i7 (LGA1366) Chipsets
North Bridge Intel X58
South Bridge Intel ICH10R Memory
Number of Memory Slots 6×240pin
Memory Standard DDR3 1600
Maximum Memory Supported 24GB
Channel Supported Triple Channel Expansion Slots
PCI Express 2.0 x16 2 x PCIe x8/x16
2 x PCIe x8
PCI Express x1 1
PCI Slots 1 Storage Devices
PATA 1 x ATA133 2 Dev. Max
SATA 3Gb/s 6
SATA 6Gb/s 2 x SATA 6Gb/s Onboard Video
Onboard Video Chipset None Onboard Audio
Audio Chipset Realtek ALC889
Audio Channels 8 Channels Onboard LAN
LAN Chipset Realtek 8111D
Second LAN Chipset Realtek 8111D
Max LAN Speed Dual 10/100/1000Mbps Rear Panel Ports
PS/2 1
USB 1.1/2.0 8 x USB 2.0
USB 3.0 2 x USB 3.0
IEEE 1394 1 x IEEE 1394a
Audio Ports 6 Ports Onboard USB
Onboard USB 4 x USB 2.0 Onboard 1394
Onboard 1394 1 x 1394a Physical Spec
Form Factor Extended ATX
Dimensions 12" x 10.38"
Power Pin 24 Pin Features
Features NVIDIA 2-Way and 3-Way SLI support.

ATI CrossFireX

10+3 Phase PWM w/ switching frequency up to 1333KHz

100% Solid State Capacitors

EVGA Vdroop Control

EVGA Dummy OC

EVGA E-LEET Tuning Utility

More Gold Content

EVGA EZ Voltage read points

Onboard Clear CMOS, Power, and Reset Buttons

PCI-E Disable Jumpers

EVGA EVbot Support

Onboard CPU Temperature Monitor

[Soul_Assassin]

Meh, unless u can top this guy:

http://forums.bistudio.com/showpost.php?p=1810825&postcount=342

You shouldn't get a separate thread.

[SPEKTRE76]

Meh, unless u can top this guy:

http://forums.bistudio.com/showpost.php?p=1810825&postcount=342

You shouldn't get a separate thread.

I can make that image in Photoshop too.

16 core processors? Unless he is running dual 8 core Xeons with a server motherboard or 2 AMD 'Magny Cours' 12 core CPU's........

62GB of total RAM?

:rolleyes:

[Soul_Assassin]

You can see his specs in his sig. And the pic's not PS.

[])rStrangelove]

Nice rig, spektre. If you play ArmA2 with a 20GB ramdisk i guess you can forget everything related to 'lag'. :D

I'm not a big crysis fan so forgive me if i say that you'll probably get bored after playing through it. After that ppl always come back to ArmA :)

[BangTail]

I can make that image in Photoshop too.

16 core processors? Unless he is running dual 8 core Xeons with a server motherboard or 2 AMD 'Magny Cours' 12 core CPU's........

62GB of total RAM?

:rolleyes:

It isn't Photoshopped at all and he has 48GB of RAM iirc.

He's running 2 quad core Xeons that have 8 cores each (4 Physical, 4 virtual per) hence the 16 cores.

[SPEKTRE76]

)rStrangelove;1825189']Nice rig, spektre. If you play ArmA2 with a 20GB ramdisk i guess you can forget everything related to 'lag'. :D

I'm not a big crysis fan so forgive me if i say that you'll probably get bored after playing through it. After that ppl always come back to ArmA :)

Yeah it will be as long as 'the wife' lets me get it. I built a cheaper rig on Tiger Direct and I even had the six core i7 980 extreme on it but the board I picked only supported 12GB of RAM just under $2600 USD.

There another config I have now with 3 GTX 470's the i7 980x and 24GB of RAM. I just had to get rid of the SSD and the Bluray ROM-RW and the RAM was demoted to 1333MHz which I am sure I can clock out to 1600MHz or higher.....I hope. Just under $3,300 USD.

[swissMAG]

@<hidden>
Spending so much money for Crysis 2, you will have finished in probably less then 5 houres and never touch again? :D

And probably no other game or application will benefit from more than 12Gb (i would even say 6Gb) of Ram in the next 2-3 Years (when your system will be old). With that, you could take another EVGA Motherboard, which is cheaper and probably do the same for you.
The I7 980x CPU has a bad performance/price ratio. You would be happier with a I7 950 overlclocked to 4GHz and a Corsair WaterCooler.
If you are happy with Benchmark tests, go for the Tripple SLI. Otherwise, take a single GTX-580. If you like MicroStutter, take a second one.
I would prefer two 128Gb SSD. One for the System and and one for Programm/Games.

For the Money you still have left, take the wife to a nice weekendtrip to her favorite town, dinner and buy a bigger monitor :cool:

Do what you wanna do, that above is just my opinion.
Cya

[BangTail]

@<hidden>
Spending so much money for Crysis 2, you will have finished in probably less then 5 houres and never touch again? :D

And probably no other game or application will benefit from more than 12Gb (i would even say 6Gb) of Ram in the next 2-3 Years (when your system will be old). With that, you could take another EVGA Motherboard, which is cheaper and probably do the same for you.
The I7 980x CPU has a bad performance/price ratio. You would be happier with a I7 950 overlclocked to 4GHz and a Corsair WaterCooler.
If you are happy with Benchmark tests, go for the Tripple SLI. Otherwise, take a single GTX-580. If you like MicroStutter, take a second one.
I would prefer two 128Gb SSD. One for the System and and one for Programm/Games.

For the Money you still have left, take the wife to a nice weekendtrip to her favorite town, dinner and buy a bigger monitor :cool:

Do what you wanna do, that above is just my opinion.
Cya

The 980x was never a good choice for gaming and definitely not considering the reviews of the 2500k and 2600K which are much cheaper and comparable or better in most cases (where gaming is concerned). They'll be released (along with the 1155 motherboards) in 6 days.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i5-2500k-and-core-i7-2600k-review/1

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i5-2600k-i5-2500k-and-core-i3-2100-tested/1

Comprehensive list/advice:

http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/905218-sandy-bridge-reviews-information-benchmarks-discussions.html

Microstutter is highly subjective. I personally don't notice it at all with SLI and I have extensive experience with multiple GPUs. There are definitely issues with CF and the newer AMD cards at the moment (5xxx and 6xxx series) but these are driver issues more than anything else.

Unless you actually utilize applications that require 24GB of RAM (AKA not games), it is a total waste of money and will not help Crysis 2 (and most likely any other game being released in the next 2 years).

[SPEKTRE76]

It's more for what I do most which is Photoshop, Illustrator and Max. You wouldn't believe what Illustrator will do to a processor when you ask to. Not mention my RAM. I have 8GB DDR3 1066MHz now and man those programs sure can bring my system down.

Current specs:

AMD Phenom II X910 2.8GHz
Crucial Technologies DDR3 1066Mhz
ATi/AMD HD4890 1GB GDDR5
Antec 650w PSU
Segate 1TB HDD

So, as you can see not great however I can play A2:OA on Very High 1920 x 1080 and 3D 1920 x 1080. I just can't have HDR on or Post Process Effects.

Basically I want a Graphics Workstation with the ability to game. And I can't use an ATi Fire GL or PNY Quadro to game with.


Took some advice and this is another build I came up with:

SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe
NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK Black Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
ASUS ARES/2DIS/4GD5 Radeon HD 5870 X2 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with ...
COUGAR CMX 1000 COUGAR-1000CMX 1000W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC ...
Patriot Viper II Sector 7 Edition 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model PV7312G1600ELK
ASUS Rampage III Formula LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM

$2387.60 USD

I’ll be using my HDD from this computer until I can get the SSD’s I want.

[BangTail]

It's more for what I do most which is Photoshop, Illustrator and Max. You wouldn't believe what Illustrator will do to a processor when you ask to.

Oh, I'd believe it ;)

[SPEKTRE76]

Oh, I'd believe it ;)

My PC does too, LOL. Poor thing...it's going out to pasture in a month and a half.

:)

[PuFu]

It's more for what I do most which is Photoshop, Illustrator and Max. You wouldn't believe what Illustrator will do to a processor when you ask to. Not mention my RAM. I have 8GB DDR3 1066MHz now and man those programs sure can bring my system down.

I have the following configuration for having a pseudo-workstation able to play games as well, recently built PC:

* Intel i7 970 6Core 3.2Ghz (OCed @<hidden>)
* Corsair H70 WaterCooler
* Gigabyte X58-UD7 rev2.0
* 12GB(3x4GB) Mushkin 1600Mhz
* Sapphire AMD 6970HD 2GB DDR5
* 2x1TB Caviar Black 7200 Sata3 64MB buffer
* Zalman MS1000 HS1(great airflow)
* Nexus Tranquility Power 1000W PSU Modular (80Plus certified)
* Dell P2411H Professional Monitor 24'
* Windows 7 64bit Ultimate OEM
2600EU ~ 3400USD

I use AutoCad, 3ds MAX, PS, Indesign and Illustrator on a daily basis
The SSD will come eventually. The H70 works magic: 17-19 degrees Idle, 35-40 full load on the CPU

[DarkGuerilla]

I'm looking to buy a laptop that can run A2 and OA as well as regular programs, but not one thats gonna cost me too much $$$ keep it under 800USD.

I'm looking for one that has:
*Intel i7 processor
*6GB Ram
*-100 GB Harddrive
*Nvidia GeForce graphics card (whatever will run it)

I've looked all over but come up empty, Hopefully I can get someone with more knowledge on how to look to find one that fits what I'm looking for.

[larsiano]

For 800$ you will not find a new i7 laptop with dedicated GPU (yet). Or if you do find it for this price it will not have any GPU or good resolution LCD etc.. Maybe you have a local computer club that offers machines that have been used for a nice price, but remember a laptop can be easaly damaged! If you don't find one i could send you one from Holland but we use 220V here meaning you have to buy a new adapter :bounce3:

[DarkGuerilla]

I've been looking all over but I can't find what I'm looking for.
I've looked at the following sites: Walmart, Best Buy, Radioshack, ASUS, Dell, ACER, and Alienware.
I've come up empty handed.

I'm tempted to try your offer larsiano, but you'd have to include the adapter.

[CitizenSoldier]

You could easily get an adapter online for super cheap, besides he's helping you out I wouldnt add an adapter on to it lol

[])rStrangelove]

Will order my I7-2600K (OC to 4 Ghz) PC next week. Gonna report back how ArmA2 behaves on it. :)

[gambla]

Hey, i'm just waiting for my i2500K too. Still looking for a "silent" GTX570. :)

[hungrytoheal]

Thanks BangTail, I'll look into this.

You dont expect to have to re-install windows if you change your gpu - what's the world coming to?

:mad::confused::(

Hi,

I have the HIS Radeon HD 6870 and never ran into a problem (Windows 7, 64-bit). You should try resetting your CMOS (a tiny memory device inside your computer for your BIOS) before trying anything extreme. After this, restart/turn on your computer with the card inserted and connected up). See your motherboards manual or Google search on how to do it. If you can't find anything, PM me and I may be able to help.

[vilas]

and i want set new PC
limit of money will not be shown, cause each country has other prices on the same elements, if something costs in Poland 600 Euro, in west countries it will cost 500 ;/
so my limit is ca. 500 EU for complete PC (looking at your prices)

but i think about folloowing setup :

Nvidia GTX 460 1 GB from ASUS (or MSI Cyclone is expensive but is more silent ? i think about silent work, also i want this to run fluently Arma2 on 1600*1050 px 22 LCD )
AMD 4core model 965 (3.4 ) + extra silent fan
what could be good and cheap motherboard for AM3 ? what chipset ? what is important (i am not hardware expert, i don't want double VGA, but i think about e-sata in case when i will have anoter disc for "important data")

what company makes reliable, long-life HD now ?
i had HDD crash some time ago with Westland (Caviar ?) i want safe disc that i don't loose data even after 5-10 years

i want long life HDD for it

but i have no idea what motherboard would be good, or Asus is the best and most reliable ?

and what power unit for this setup ? 500 ? 600 W ? or more ?
if CPU takes 125W, VGA takes ca. 160 W (460 GTX chipset) , than what should be power unit for it ? (as i said, i don't plan doubled VGAs, no sound cards, only DVD-R, maybe second HD disc )

[hungrytoheal]

Well you should probably get an 600-860W PSU if it's not too expensive.

But in my opinion, that video card isn't a very good option. You should get something a bit newer while you're buying because video cards become quickly outdated in todays gaming industry. Look at the specifications of different video cards and try to find the best value card with a high graphics processing core (video memory is not overly important compared to this).

Your CPU is definitely sufficient.

As far as motherboards go I'm not too sure, you'll have to look into it. You can seek recommendation from others, but it is ultimately up to you to decide what you need. If you are considering doing SLI/CrossFire in the near future (which you never know, you may want to), you will need two PCI-E x16 slots. Anything between $100-250 will USUALLY be all you need, but make sure it has everything your looking for, as well as compatibility with your other hardware!

So when you're deciding on what components to use when building a PC, it's a good idea to think a few years ahead where possible. Most graphics cards will become fairly outdated after a year or so, your motherboard should last you many years should you choose one which has all the perks you need. The CPU you have chosen should last you a good three years at best.

Good luck!

[vilas]

460 is enough expensive for east europe conditions, motherboard for $ 250 ? (i have ca. 600 USD for all set with US prices)
ooo i thought about motherboard for 70-90 USD
main problem for me is to choose MB company and HD company, Asus only or other things

[Derbysieger]

About PSUs. The worst thing you can buy is an oversized one. A mid range gaming rig needs no more than 500W max. I have a 525W PSU. When I'm running benchmarks the rig only needs max 390W so there is still enough room for an upgrade ...


As for Motherboards: Asus, Gigabyte, AsRock, EVGA etc... it's really up to you. Only thing is you need to know what you want and what you can afford. In the range between 70-100€ you should find a good one.

I'm quite happy with my WD HDDs. One Caviar Blue 640GB and two Caviar Green 1TB+2TB. I never had any Problems with those.
The OS and the most important programs + Arma 2 are on an Intel SSD (that thing was about 400€ when I bought it^^)


The rig is about 1,5 years old and I'm still very happy with it.

[vilas]

so you think that for example Corsair PSU 500W or 600W would be better for my setup (quadcore AMD, Nvidia 460 GTX, no-sli, no-external soundblaster, only DVD-R and 2 HD and 4 GB Ram ) ?
i have no idea what is consumption of rest
they told me that VGA and CPU eat max 160+125=290 W
what should be "power consumption coeficient" in PC ?
as i know loudspeakers should be twice stronger than amplituner
but how it looks on PC, if your PC "eat" 400W max, than 500 or 600 W PSU for it ? or "quality Tagan/Corsair 500W = cheap chinese 600W noname" ?
and about motherboards - should i look at any special things (or all modern have PCI slots etc. ?)
i heard about PCI and PCI-E and E-Sata (for speed discs as i heard)
i think is USB3 neccesary as no camera has USB3 yet, not even Canon EOS 7D or 60D
or external disc has it ?

my friend told me "if you need fast disc, buy flash-disc, instal there game and OS and game will be flying high cause flash discs are fastest thing that can be"
is it true ?
than it will be USB3 or E-Sata ?

[Tonci87]

Well I have a Cougar CMX 550W PSU and I´m really happy with it. Its very quiet and keeps everything cool
http://www.cougar-world.de/en/products/power-supply/cougar-cmx.html

My System
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300
Sapphire 5850HD Toxic
1 DVD player
1 DVD player+Writer
1 Harddisk
Some USB Stuff

I wouldn´t buy some cheap Chinese no name PSU, it can really ruin your day if your processor or GPU breaks because of a bad PSU witout proper safety functions.

Flash Disks are waaaay faster than normal HDDs but they normally have less GB and are cost much much more €/GB

[Derbysieger]

so you think that for example Corsair PSU 500W or 600W would be better for my setup (quadcore AMD, Nvidia 460 GTX, no-sli, no-external soundblaster, only DVD-R and 2 HD and 4 GB Ram ) ?
i have no idea what is consumption of rest
they told me that VGA and CPU eat max 160+125=290 W
what should be "power consumption coeficient" in PC ?
as i know loudspeakers should be twice stronger than amplituner
but how it looks on PC, if your PC "eat" 400W max, than 500 or 600 W PSU for it ? or "quality Tagan/Corsair 500W = cheap chinese 600W noname" ?


that's pretty much it. Corsair/Cougar/Seasonic/Enermax etc. they all make good PSUs. A 600W or even 800W PSU on a system like the one you're planning is a waste of money plus they consume more power on that kind of config than a good 500W PSU. I think my Sys wich is still a fast one gives you a good idea about powerconsumption. Remember that the rig is OC'ed.



and about motherboards - should i look at any special things (or all modern have PCI slots etc. ?)
i heard about PCI and PCI-E and E-Sata (for speed discs as i heard)
i think is USB3 neccesary as no camera has USB3 yet, not even Canon EOS 7D or 60D
or external disc has it ?


Most new MBs have USB 3.0. Important is PCI-E 2.0 x16 for your graphicscard. Everything else is up to you. Do you need an internal graphicschip? How much RAM are you planning to use? How many HDDs and DVD drives? etc. then you make the decision.



my friend told me "if you need fast disc, buy flash-disc, instal there game and OS and game will be flying high cause flash discs are fastest thing that can be"
is it true ?



First of all I don't think that an SSD is in your budget. It's still about 150€ for 80GB (Intel). But it makes a HUGE difference if you're working a lot with Photoshop and other programs like that. Games don't profit that much from a SSD. They only shorten loading times for most games. Arma2 is different though. When I moved Arma 2 to my SSD most LOD problems where gone as well as micro stuttering.

[vilas]

http://www.agito.pl/podzespoly-pc/plyty-glowne/asus/socket-938-am3/79,1-8849,264-428918,946-47112,cena-+400.html

dont know what to use
1 PLN = .25 Eurocents , choice below 100 Euro

are those disc for system ?

# SATA/300 (199)
# SATA/600 (15)
# USB 2.0 (207)
# USB 3.0 (32)
# FireWire 400 (4)
# FireWire 800 (10)
# eSATA (19)

i have no idea :|

[Derbysieger]

Any of these will do fine (except the ones with nForce chip).
If you want to OC your CPU you probably shouldn't buy the cheapest.
If you say I really never want to use CF or SLI then one PCI-E x16 slot is enough. All except the two with nForce chip (I wouldn't recommend them anyway) have 6 SATA ports so you can put in max. 2x DVD drive + 4x HDDs or 1x DVD + 5x HDDs for example.

My choice would be the M4A87TD EVO or one of the M4A77T/TD MBs. It really depends on your budget and on your needs.

[vilas]

i'll never have double VGAs
so what would be choice of HD than ?
i don't get all those Sata, Ata, Esata etc. words
if it works with ram of speed 1333 it means i should buy RAM with 1333 and not 1600
will i note difference between RAM 1333 and 1600 ? (Arma, Corel, Photoshop's ?)
there are some MB around 350 zlotys
if i don't use dual VGA, should i pay more for speed of RAM , maybe it is important and i should (i will have 4GB > 2* (sold paired) 2GB of RAM )
probably it is noticeable for someone who make addons and play Arma ? isnt it ?

[Derbysieger]

HDD: Samsung, Western Digital etc ...
You should buy one 7200rpm HDD, e.g. Caviar Black or Spinpoint F3, for OS and Programs and one 5200rpm 1TB or 2TB HDD for data. If you can afford a SSD go for it instead of the 7200rpm HDD.

1333 is usually enough. I got my CPU nearly up to 4GHz with mine. It's Corsair 1333MHz RAM. If it doesn't make a huge difference in prize I'd go for 1600MHz though^^ 2x2GB RAM should be enough for the beginning. If you feel the need for more RAM get 4GB more... Just make sure you have a 64Bit OS.
When I was watching some 300mp pics from http://hubblesite.org the ram usage got up to 5GB. But I rarely use more than 4GB

[vilas]

i am confused, i have seen test results (games and FPS) and it looks like Intel i5 is much more better, although difference in price is 40 Euro (i5, 2500 or 2400)
i heard about problems with bridge 1155
i am confused again what to do

i have now AMD 6000+, VGA GTS250, if i will buy new second PC as i stated above GTX460, AMD quadcore model 965 - will i see huge difference
if i will buy GTX 460 and i5 ?

[larsiano]

I think getting a better videocard will give you most boost. For example: I had a E8600 Duocore system and upgraded to i7 950 but i kept my old GTX285 everything is a bit smoother but the framerate is almost the same leaving no other choice but to get a faster card if i want more frames. The 460 is about the same speed as the 285 if im right. so at least get a 470 or 570 to keep you happy the next 1/2 years

[Derbysieger]

You're doing nothing wrong with AMD. For most games the graphicscard is more important.

At the moment Intel has problems with its sandy bridge mainboards so if you don't want to wait AMD might be the better option.
But if you can wait and you feel confident about overclocking your CPU in the future you should seriously consider Intel.

The special thing about Arma 2 is that it profits very much from a high clocked quadcore CPU. A quadcore at 3.8-4GHz works miracles for Arma 2 so you should always consider overclocking your CPU.
I build my own PC mainly for photo- and videoediting. Because of that I chose a Core i7 and a SSD over a (very) fast graphicscard. I didn't have overclocking in mind when I build the rig but when I got Arma 2 I suddenly felt the need to do it. The stock 2.67GHz weren't enough to run Arma 2 at an acceptable framerate with good graphicsettings and a high VD.
Especially a high viewdistance needs much CPU power.
In my experience Intel is way easier to OC but I only OC'ed one AMD CPU (Phenom II 955BE) so far. It might as well have been bad luck - who knows. Every time I wanted to go past 3.6GHz I got a bluescreen when I ran prime. I OC'ed 3 Intel CPUs (including my own) and never had any problems reaching at least 3.99GHz (my RAM doesn't allow me to go past a FSB of 190MHz...).

The GTX 460 is imho the best option with your budget. If you wanted anything faster without making compromises with the CPU, the Mainboard and (very, very bad idea) the PSU you need a higher budget.

[vilas]

I think getting a better videocard will give you most boost. For example: I had a E8600 Duocore system and upgraded to i7 950 but i kept my old GTX285 everything is a bit smoother but the framerate is almost the same leaving no other choice but to get a faster card if i want more frames. The 460 is about the same speed as the 285 if im right. so at least get a 470 or 570 to keep you happy the next 1/2 years

but i live in Poland :P
not in Holland, i have no 1000 EUro for PC like you, i have half of it with big pain
my limit is 2200-2300 zł (1 PN - 0.25 EU, plus add that in our part of world prices are higher because of wholesallers and etc. card that costs 200 USD in US will cost 250 in PL, Canon 50D in US costed 700 USD while in Poland it costed 850 with usual salary as 500 USD, Windows XP BOX Pro costs ca 550 USD oposite to ca 300 in USA)

i cannot afford more than 3500 on PC with full set (monitor of matrix PVA needed to work in graphics, such monitor with PVA costs ca. 1200-1500 PLN)
i cant take cheap monitor because it has poor matrix for graphician/photographer (colors calibration etc.)
only PVA, S-PVA (ISPC are better but they have 20 ms. reaction, useless for gaming )

Derbysieger - so probably mainbgoard you told , plus Corsair 550 W ? plus AMD 3.4 GHZ (model 965) + 460GTX (probably Asus, of course i would like Cyclone MSI, i will check prices again)
i need PC quite now, cause in girl flat where we live, she has no PC (i left my PC in parents home because my mother need to work with office job on my PC)

[])rStrangelove]

Hey Vilas, here are some CPU speed comparisons, according to this helpful (yet German) list: link (http://www.chip.de/bestenlisten/Bestenliste-Desktop-Prozessoren--index/detail/id/693/)


I7 980X Extreme - Speed 100% - Prize 900 Euro
I5 2500K - Speed 94 % - 200 Euro
AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE - Speed 72% - Prize: 140 Euro

so on first thought an I5 would offer far better performance for almost the same prize.

[NeMeSiS]

)rStrangelove;1848135']Hey Vilas, here are some CPU speed comparisons, according to this helpful (yet German) list: link (http://www.chip.de/bestenlisten/Bestenliste-Desktop-Prozessoren--index/detail/id/693/)


I7 980X Extreme - Speed 100% - Prize 900 Euro
I5 2500K - Speed 94 % - 200 Euro
AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE - Speed 72% - Prize: 140 Euro

so on first thought an I5 would offer far better performance for almost the same prize.

I dont know about the latest motherboards, but they are generally significantly more expensive for Intel than for AMD, which should also be taken into account.

Still, the 2500K is a pretty good deal for what the performance it brings.

(PS. Why a 965? Just get a 955 and overclock it)

[Derbysieger]

Derbysieger - so probably mainbgoard you told , plus Corsair 550 W ? plus AMD 3.4 GHZ (model 965) + 460GTX (probably Asus, of course i would like Cyclone MSI, i will check prices again)
i need PC quite now, cause in girl flat where we live, she has no PC (i left my PC in parents home because my mother need to work with office job on my PC)

That sounds decent. Make sure the PSU has certification.
Do you have a case?

If you not already have, make a checklist with prizes.
What you need is basically:

- a case
- a PSU
- a Mainboard
- a CPU
- RAM
- a Graphicscard
- a HDD (SATA)
- a DVD drive (SATA)
- a monitor
- peripherals (mouse, keyboard, printer etc.)
- a screwdriver^^

€: yes intel MBs are usually more expensive than AMD ones.

[])rStrangelove]

Btw Intel says the fixed 1155 motherboards will be available end of February, so i guess everybody wanting a I5 2500K will have to wait until mid of March.

I have the same problem atm, wanted to buy yesterday, now MBs are out. :P GAH!

[vilas]

daaamn , surprise
maybe because of problems with 1155 there are only 2 mobos on this socket in shop !, prices are 500, 670 PLN :O (probably i won't wait till end of March to have 1155 in shops for less than 350 PLN)

monitor
http://www.agito.pl/monitory-lcd/nec-22-lcd-multisync-p221w-bk.0.339945.html?cid=54&attr=963-225470,142-106998,cena-1000+2000 (1560 :/ i wish cheaper, but S-PVA :(, i need such resolution as 1600*1050, i need size at least like now i have 19 (Samsung 971P) and only this has size as big as 19 inches 4:3 in height and PVA )
if there was cheaper PVA with big screen (bigger size of screen ) i would choose such (i don't need FullHD, for me 1600*1050 is enough, but i want this 30 cm in height at least to watch movies and photos together)
i will look for Samsung PVA too (22 inches, on their info-tele-line girl said "she has no idea" what a company info line , what she is doing there if she has no idea what is PVA and what is TFT :/ btw. )

my setup proposal:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2547/cheaps.jpg

what do you think (yet no HD inside 600 EU already :( and it is cheapest store in Poland, i must set myself in home from parts )

choosing i5 and mainboards that are available in shops i would have to give at least 300 PLN more (mainboard for 460 instead 360 and CPU for 720 ( Core i5 2500 )instead of 540 PLN)
there is a penty of 1156 maiboards but i heard that 1156 i5 is 10-20% weaker than 1155 i5 power, is it true ?
if it is not true than CPU Core i5 660 and ???

( http://www.agito.pl/podzespoly-pc/plyty-glowne/intel/socket-1156/79,1-1665,264-455691.html
or

http://www.agito.pl/podzespoly-pc/plyty-glowne/asus/socket-1156/79,1-8849,264-455691,946-47112,cena-+400.html
)
--------------

edition:

but looking at German test it sounds like AMD 965 is stronger than i5 660 (available for me in shop for 180 PLN more than AMD 965 is , so weaker and 180 PLN more expensive ?)
they write mATX, what is it ? is it normal box for PC ?
and i will not be using built-in i5 VGA, so probably all DVI and such like are useless for me ?

so if for month or two 1155 mainboards are not available for me ( 550 PLN, 670 PLN price) than it seems that for 2 months AMD is best choice (stronger than i5 660 and cheaper too)

[])rStrangelove]

mATX is microATX: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroATX
is compatible with ATX boxes. But since its smaller than normal ATX boards you have less card slots avaible.

[Derbysieger]

mATX is for small PC-cases. It's not necessarily cheaper. Since you need the PC soon you should stay with AMD. I recommend you take this MB out of your list: http://www.agito.pl/plyty-glowne/asus-m4a87td-evo.0.401548.html?attr=1-8849,946-47112,cena-0+400 If you don't need USB 3.0 that is.

I still miss HDDs in your list. And unless you want to OC your CPU the cooler that comes with the CPU will do just fine.


Oh and you need an OS. Preferably 64Bit. Otherwise you can't use more than 3.5GB of your RAM


€: I'd love to have a gulftown CPU btw. Not because I need it... Just because I want it^^
But that will not be within my financial possibilities anytime soon.

[vilas]

I still miss HDDs and a DVD writer in your list. And unless you want to OC your CPU the cooler that comes with the CPU will do just fine.

i am noise freak (if i would click near bed with noisy PC my woman would smash me go to bed, so who will make addons than ? )
i simply hate "helicopter sound" coming from noisy default cooler, i never keep box closed (i have it open for some reasons ) so noise from box would be annoying (small room, very near to me, i like music or radio playing not loud from loudspeakers so ... it must be as silent as it can be )
such extra cooler will give me almost silence (i have such on my AMD too and it is silent as it was not working from distance of 1 meter from me )
i have DVD , this :

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2547/cheaps.jpg

for 65 PLN, it is DVD-R (Blue Ray next year when it will go down under 150 )

yes, disc is now second problem

but i am thinking about monitor

i found cheaper PVA from Samsung, it has one problem
it is 24 inches full hd (oposite to NEC 1600 *1050)
will this set up will hold Arma2 with high details at 100% render and at least 30 FPS
i suppose that to hold 1600*1050 is for VGA much smaller effort than to hold 1920*1080 pixels

regarding HD i want to work following way:

one disc with OS (fast, small but with Arma), another with data (photos, music, personal things )
you told to choose 7200 rpm disc from Samsung
but Sata, e-Sata ?

seeing such table:


# SATA/300 (200)
# SATA/600 (15)
# USB 3.0 (33)
# FireWire 400 (3)
# FireWire 800 (9)
# eSATA (19)

i begin to feel stupid :D
probably i must click Sata 300 as it is most popular



Oh and you need an OS. Preferably 64Bit. Otherwise you can't use more than 3.5GB of your RAM

oooooooooooooooo i had no idea :(
so ... how will it work on one OEM i have ? :D
i have OEM to one part, as i don't change this part (in my work they are signed to box of PC, i know OEMs signed to sound blaster, DVDs, tablets - shops do it without single problem etc. if shop sell legally OEM even to speakers or box or tablet or mouse, i can change whole PC leaving speakers/tablet/mouse without problem ) , i thought it will work (XP SP2 OEM)

so how my PC would behave on 32-bit and 4 GB ram ? will be working but using 3.5 or won't start ?

[Derbysieger]

I saw that DVD writer too late. edited my post^^

Just normal SATA II that'll be SATA/300 out of your list xD

Make it a Spinpoint F3 320GB plus a Samsung EcoGreen F3 or a WD Caviar Green with 1TB or 2TB. There come enough SATA cables for a few HDDs and a DVD writer with your mainboard.

You shouldn't worry too much about performance on full HD. My graphicscard has significantly less performance than the one you are going to get. Only your viewdistance will probably be limited by your CPU. I managed to get 30fps with 10k VD and most details on high on takistan...

[vilas]

i edited my post too , about OS, please use F5
i really had no idea about this 64 bit, it would change my plans a lot (OEM) 100 Euro more for OEM Home edition :(

[Derbysieger]

I wouldn't bother with OEM You are better off with the SB version. have a look at this (i know it's german but you get the idea): http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a458487.html
You can put 8GB RAM in your PC but you simply wouldn't be able to use it if you had 32Bit.

[])rStrangelove]

1. Samsung HD problem
Not a problem, you can still play ArmA2 with 1600x1050 if you want. You can either set it to show you normal picture but with black bars on all sides (black bars fill it up to 1920x 1080) or zoom the picture up to 1920x1080 with black bars left and right.

2. Noisy PC problem
Dont leave it open. PC boxes are designed to push an airflow through specific areas in your pc to cool it. Leave it open and you're destroying that airflow.
Also, when you're doing Addons you are in 2D mode, so your PC will clock itself down and be quiet. :D Its only in Bulldozer / in ArmA2 where its going full speed 3D mode.

3. HD with OS & ArmA2
Bad idea. If you have 2 HDs, install ArmA2 on the 2nd HD, seperate from your OS. That way file operations will be done by 2 controllers (1 for OS HD, 1 for ArmA2 HD), boosting the overall speed. Having OS and ARmA2 on the same HD will produce heavy lags / stuttering when streaming island data.

4. 64bit for ArmA2
You dont need it. You're better off with a 32bit WinXp with 4GB RAM and install ArmA2 on an SSD.

[Derbysieger]

)rStrangelove;1848189']1. Samsung HD problem
Not a problem, you can still play ArmA2 with 1600x1050 if you want. You can either set it to show you normal picture but with black bars on all sides (black bars fill it up to 1920x 1080) or zoom the picture up to 1920x1080 with black bars left and right.


Or simply play in full HD? I mean 30fps schould really be no problem with settings.



3. HD with OS & ArmA2
Bad idea. If you have 2 HDs, install ArmA2 on the 2nd HD, seperate from your OS. That way file operations will be done by 2 controllers (1 for OS HD, 1 for ArmA2 HD), boosting the overall speed. Having OS and ARmA2 on the same HD will produce heavy lags / stuttering when streaming island data.

That I can't say anything about and it's also new to me^^ I have both on the same SSD - no problems at all. But it's also way faster than a normal HDD...




4. 64bit for ArmA2
You dont need it. You're better off with a 32bit WinXp with 4GB RAM and install ArmA2 on an SSD.

true for Arma2 but what is with other uses? I mean if you're working with programs like Photoshop you will eventually want to use more than 4GB. Just yesterday I pushed my PC with Digital Photo Professional to its limits. That program needs less RAM than Photoshop.

[vilas]

77 Euro in Germany :(
boooo :(
look at Polish Microsoft prices (i dont want to start discussion about reasons of piracy across globe)

http://www.agito.pl/oprogramowanie/systemy-operacyjne/99.html
http://www.taniomania.pl/q/?q=Microsoft+OEM+Windows+XP+Professional+SP2b+Polish+1pk+DSP+OEI+CD+w%2FUpg+Cpn+%28E85-04935%29&sh=2492

divide by 4 to Euro
BOX in my country is 170 Euro :/
in "rich" countries Microsoft is much more cheaper than in "poor" countries
but i won't discuss it,
i use Open office, so i am not interested at any Ms products than OS :P

student license also not works for me, as i am 33

[])rStrangelove]

That I can't say anything about and it's also new to me^^ I have both on the same SSD - no problems at all. But it's also way faster than a normal HDD...

Well i was talking about normal HDs of course. With an SSD you pretty much ready for anything.

[Derbysieger]

77 Euro in Germany :(
boooo :(
look at Polish Microsoft prices (i dont want to start discussion about reasons of piracy across globe)

http://www.agito.pl/oprogramowanie/systemy-operacyjne/99.html
http://www.taniomania.pl/q/?q=Microsoft+OEM+Windows+XP+Professional+SP2b+Polish+1pk+DSP+OEI+CD+w%2FUpg+Cpn+%28E85-04935%29&sh=2492

divide by 4 to Euro
BOX in my country is 170 Euro :/
in "rich" countries Microsoft is much more cheaper than in "poor" countries
but i won't discuss it,
i use Open office, so i am not interested at any Ms products than OS :P

student license also not works for me, as i am 33

whoa! those prizes are a shame!

It's your turn. Do you think you will use more than 4GB frequently?
I do it three or four times a week... Mostly because I'm too lazy to shut down all the programs I'm running xD.

€: or go to this webside http://hubblesite.org and look for the big 250-300MP pics. They're awesome and they will bring down every PC that doesn't have enough RAM :D

[vilas]

])rStrangelove

1 ) i had no idea, super, thanx, i had no idea (i am not hardware expert at all , my knowledge stopped in 2002 or 2003 )

3) i had no idea (controllers, RAIDs etc. is black magic for me)
but at the moment i will afford buying only one HD (in half year i'll buy another)

http://www.agito.pl/podzespoly-pc/dyski-twarde/320-gb/sata300/7200/83,175-173371,182-169259,176-1257.html

?

[Derbysieger]

Hitachi deskstar (first in the list) or samsung spinpoint f4 I'd say at the first look.

[])rStrangelove]

Vilas, just do what IceBreaker did, make a new addon and put a huge DONATE! button next to the download link. Might get you another harddisk for your new pc. :D

[Derbysieger]

Maybe even a SSD wich would be a HUGE performance boost :D

€: this happens when I open a 24000x12000px .jpg file + some other programs.
Surprise surprise, RAM-usage at 5.2GB ...
http://www.abload.de/img/ram2q8h.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ram2q8h.jpg)
Here you can get the big pic http://hubblesite.org/gallery/wall_murals/2-carina-color ;)

[vilas]

whats are your opinions regarding C-PVA ? comparing to S-PVA ?
i havent found any test, anyone had occasion to test last Samsung LCDs with C-PVA ? (those 23 or 24 inches told to be 6 ms )

[Derbysieger]

C-PVA panels usually have shorter reaction time but the image quality isn't comparable to s-pva. last year I had the chance to test a calibrated eizo 30'' for one week and I must say that the image quality of that thing is awesome.

[vilas]

yea, but prices of EIZO... kill
in my country it is 700 Euro for cheapest
i have such money for whole PC
that EIZO small monitor cost

but if you had to choose :
NEC 22 LCD with S-PVA (at least they claim S-PVA) for 1560 moeny and Samsung 24 LCD with C-PVA for 1100 money?
what would you choose having in mind Arma2 and photography/graphics/textures/colors

[Derbysieger]

What is the reaction time of the NEC? Having photography in mind I'd always prefer s-pva. I have only c-pva (24'') but it's ok.

[vilas]

8 (probably enough) vs 6

[Derbysieger]

It's your decision. Do you prefer a bic screen over better image quality or are better colors more important. That is what you need to decide.

[vilas]

i just wonder if difference is spot-able
i must find shop where they will show me both (supermarket) cause i will be buing on-line (hard to see lcd by internet, hehehe)
now i have monitor Samsung 971P, it was told to be PVA with 6 ms reaction
but i must go to shop and see if PVA v. CPVA vs. SPVA difference exist :]

[sesdelta38]

Few weeks i asked if i could upgrade my Dell desktop with a new graphics card. I found what power supply it has, and i now know that it will need to be replaced with a more powerful one.

The desktop I have is a Dell Inspiron 570.

These are the slots it has: PCle x16(1), PCle x1(2), PCl(2).

Can I upgrade with these slots?

[larsiano]

If your system has enuigh power && has a PCI-e power cable or available molex connector to support the GPU it will work! If you dont want to reinstall your OS after the upgrade it will be best to remove the drivers before you install the card.

[giffo]

Any opinions on Gigabyte's GeForce GT 240 gfx card?

current graphics card is a 8600 gts 256mb I believe, so its got to be worth the cheap upgrade

all I play is Arma2 and Arrowhead, anyone had any experience using this card for the arma games?

thanks

[larsiano]

Idd much rather send you towards a new or use 260 / 270 / 280 card they are not so expencive (below 100eurie depends on where you are from) sinds the 500 series came on the market. The difference between manufacterers are usually not more then 1% of the total speed execpt the XXX, Top and OC models that is!

[giffo]

thanks larsiano :)

[kmossco]

Any opinions on Gigabyte's GeForce GT 240 gfx card?

current graphics card is a 8600 gts 256mb I believe, so its got to be worth the cheap upgrade

all I play is Arma2 and Arrowhead, anyone had any experience using this card for the arma games?

thanks

What I seriously recommend (which I will also do) is to buy an used ATI 4890 1GB. It can run ArmA2 pretty well and beats GTX260 core216 when using filters and higher resolutions. I was able to find 4890 for roughly 70€.

[Derbysieger]

good advice wcrviera! If there's not enough money for at least a gtx460 you'll be way more happy with a HD4890.

[vilas]

i wonder what do you think about Dell 2209 monitor ? i want to choose it for new PC, is it good choice ?

[Derbysieger]

It's a really good Monitor. One of the best in that prize range I'd say ;)

[Derbysieger]

Sounds like a heat issue.

[larsiano]

buy a notebook cooler, and use a wallsocket for power, if nothing helps call supplier!

[froggyluv]

Hi guys,

need your help as I just bought a new HD Barracuda 1TB 7200 as well as replaced OS with Windows 7 64bit.

I had nightmare install issues, took back both the OS (got lucky they replaced) and HD and it installed seemingly perfectly. The only problem I have now is that every large size file I download I get CRC errors while trying to unzip/unrar.

My system: Intel E8500 duo core stock
Nvidia 460 gtx stock
8 gigs ram (4 sticks x 2gigs) ddr2 800
win 7 64 bit
Asus pq5 Motherboard ( couldnt install MB driver disk with this OS -dont know if I need or not)

I noticed that I couldnt install any of my games unless I took out all but 1 stick ram -could this effect downloads as well? I ran Windows Memory test kit on all 8 and it said they were fine. Dont really understand Mem-test so havent tries that yet.

Edit: Okay, works now. Seems to be the extra Ram sticks or possibly the Mother slots -have no way of knowing lol.

[PuFu]

does anyone have any solid information about the upcoming Bulldozer Zambezi procesor (google was unable to help me out):
1. release date (estimate) - all i could find is it Q1 2011 (that ends in march).
2. price estimation (i heard the 8 core will be first to launch, then the 6 and 4 cores)

I am looking to upgrade my other PC, and i am uncertain i should go for a i7 2600, or wait till end march for a AMD...(i use all my PCs as hybrid between gaming and workstation)

i already own a i7 970 6 core, but the other one(Q6600 4GB ram) is getting old and rusty :)

[SgtH3nry3]

does anyone have any solid information about the upcoming Bulldozer Zambezi procesor (google was unable to help me out):
1. release date (estimate) - all i could find is it Q1 2011 (that ends in march).
2. price estimation (i heard the 8 core will be first to launch, then the 6 and 4 cores)

I am looking to upgrade my other PC, and i am uncertain i should go for a i7 2600, or wait till end march for a AMD...(i use all my PCs as hybrid between gaming and workstation)Out of my head: Zambezi is likely to be released in Q2 2011. And the paper launch will be made somewhere this week on the CeBit expo.

Pricing is still not known, but considering the fact it is made and sold by AMD it shouldn't be more expensive than Intel hardware.

[PuFu]

Out of my head: Zambezi is likely to be released in Q2 2011. And the paper launch will be made somewhere this week on the CeBit expo.
cheers, i'll keep an eye out on cebit

Pricing is still not known, but considering the fact it is made and sold by AMD it shouldn't be more expensive than Intel hardware.
depends on what intel hardware we talking about. I7 2600k is about 300Eus, and i really doubt an 8core Zambezi is gonna be under...It is also a matter of mainboard, since a good p67 LGA 1155 is around 200-250.
The choice between the AMD and Intel has always been also related to the price of the MB, not only the CPU.

[SgtH3nry3]

depends on what intel hardware we talking about. I7 2600k is about 300Eus, and i really doubt an 8core Zambezi is gonna be under...It is also a matter of mainboard, since a good p67 LGA 1155 is around 200-250.
The choice between the AMD and Intel has always been also related to the price of the MB, not only the CPU.I don't think the Zambezi will compete with the mid-range Core i7 2600K but rather the upcoming Sandy Bridge-EN processors.

[PuFu]

I don't think the Zambezi will compete with the mid-range Core i7 2600K but rather the upcoming Sandy Bridge-EN processors.
the 6 core 970 i currently have was about 900EUs, the 980X was around 1100 at the time i bought it...
SO, if the 8 core (8 real cores, no hyper threading though) could go around the 700 mark easily...That is something i am not willing to spend for my second PC though (especially after the 2600EUs spent on the current one)..

cheers anyways

[CannonousCrash]

Pufu, im looking at the i5/i7 2600K myself, but I read theres a smallish error (enough to make intel change something) with the cougar chipset, From what ive read, the sata 3gb/s sockets are overheating when transfering large files through the thing. New mobos out in April afaik

[SteveJA360]

Ive heard for applications like Arma 2 the I5 is the best Preformance/Price ratio (that is in the Intel range at least).