FP : DR - News & Discussion

[Hoot]

Amusingly, by creating one of the most mud-slingy threads I've seen in a while...

Yes. I was also *lol'ed* yesterday, when i read the news update on DR at Gamestar.de. Petra, my beloved editor over there, stated, that she is bored by the always upcomming flamewars between Arma2 and OFP2 in every news' comments. I mean the whole gamemag industry in Germany was contra Arma and BI, and they let them felt it. In every news about DR they said, that this is better than Arma2 and now, relatively unnoticed, even those bashing editors are rowing back a little about what they said. DR is not OFP2, but, and here Petra is right, Codies could have taken an italian plumber and named him Princess Operation Flashpoint 2. If it's fun okay, but it'll never outweigh Real Virtuality technically-wise. Don't count bugs here, just see what tons of KI and Objects VR3 is able to handle. Number of sales is an other story...

Edit: Ehm it's AI, not KI in English :D

[VaiHalen]

You cant walk in OFP2 Pc version. Only run, sprinting and duck.... incredible (bad) decisions!

[Blackhawk]

Complete crap, no walking or leaning, Codemasters seem to be dragging the Flashpoint name into the ground.

[MehMan]

Can you confirm that?

When's the demo due?

[Hoot]

It was confirmed in http://www.gamestar.de/news/pc/action/taktik-shooter/1958532/operation_flashpoint_2.html

"better graphics on Pc, limited movement"

[Barely-injured]

You cant walk in OFP2 Pc version. Only run, sprinting and duck.... incredible (bad) decisions!

wow for a while I thought you were just being sarcastic :eek:

[froggyluv]

No walking on the PC version...

Are you kidding me? Why because the PC just has so few keys compared to the Xbox/PS3

This is just too much. I'm not a CM hater or DR basher, but i am an extremely disappointed Mil-Sim fan that this is what we get after all the intial promises of "unrivaled realism and keeping in faith with the original".

So now what, everyone just pull their knives and guns and charge?

Thank God I didn't preorder...

[echo1]

Does this game have bunny hopping? We all know that's an essential prerequisite for tactical-ness...

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3845/matrixjumpiy7.jpg

[Deadfast]

They said there will be no jumping some time back (only an interaction to get over stuff).

They better stick to it.

[froggyluv]

@<hidden>
Lol! What is that, Armed Power Yoga?

[Iroquois Pliskin]

Does this game have bunny hopping? We all know that's an essential prerequisite for tactical-ness...



1337 :D:

Can't wait to bonnie-hoppp before a BMP. :D:D

edit; god fucking damn dunque posting first time hetrer! Exposing the true pLiskin to you; no i dono t bunny hopp. :D

[MehMan]

Snake Plissken are you drunk again? (not accepting the metal gear solid nonsense)

[TangoRomeo]

Not Acceptable. I really wanted DR to succeed, but the more details make it to public, the more i think it will be a few beers short of a sixpack :confused:

[Maddmatt]

Oh you can walk in the PC version, if you use a gamepad with an analogue stick...

What a f**king joke. I've been following this game with interest but this, along with other recent news and gameplay videos, is starting to look like a joke.
The Rainbow Six Lockdown of OFP :j:

Ok so I wouldn't rate it as bad as Lockdown, but still, this is just like what Ubisoft did to Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six. Take a great name that was well established for one audience and then turn it into something aimed at a completely different audience, basically throwing away a section of their market.

The movement system looks just like Call of Duty, complete with no walking when using the keyboard. Except that Call of Duty allows you to lean in the PC version.

Well I'll still be keeping an eye on it. Maybe the developers will come to their senses with the walking at least. PC gamers aren't too stupid to handle one extra button, Codemasters.

Edit:
On second thought, of course Codemasters isn't aiming it at the original market, because BIS beat them to it.
This game really is turning into something between Battlefield/Call of Duty and OFP. But I think a walk button and netcode that can handle players being more than 250m apart is still important for this market.

[W0lle]

Iroquois Pliskin

After more than 2 years and 104 posts one could think you know about the rules...

[Kernriver]

I will still decide if I'll buy DR based on the demo, but this is really bad news. Not being able to walk in PC version without a controller? LOL

Although, I have to admitt I had my doubts as soon as I learned that DR would be released on 3 platforms simultaneously.

Honestly, which game do you know that was good on PC whit that kind of release? I can't think of one at the moment. :(

F***ing console ports...Note that I don't have nothing against console players.

[Max Power]

This game is circling the drain for me. Ever faster and in tighter circles.

[ohara]

I will still decide if I'll buy DR based on the demo.
All official anouncement about demo was deleted from their sites, so i dont expect that there will be demo before release, if any

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And first czech preview, not possible to create addons or your own models

http://www.doupe.cz/Doupecz/Dojmy-Operation-Flashpoint-Dragon-Rising--nelitostny-souboj/Blyska-se-na-lepsi-casy/sc-108-sr-1-a-135333-ch-129182/default.aspx

[kavoven]

Too bad for CM... Perhaps they underestimated the time such an engine needs to be coded.

[Leopardi]

All official anouncement about demo was deleted from their sites, so i dont expect that there will be demo before release, if any

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And first czech preview, not possible to create addons or your own models

http://www.doupe.cz/Doupecz/Dojmy-Operation-Flashpoint-Dragon-Rising--nelitostny-souboj/Blyska-se-na-lepsi-casy/sc-108-sr-1-a-135333-ch-129182/default.aspx


Yeah a demo would make people cancele their orders. They are clearly hiding the crappiness of the game, like talking on top of the video that was supposed to show people how awesome the sounds are in DR.

Lucky for CM the dumb fanboys don't understand this so their sales will be sky high...

[Kernriver]

All official anouncement about demo was deleted from their sites, so i dont expect that there will be demo before release, if any

---------- Post added at 07:42 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:29 AM ----------

And first czech preview, not possible to create addons or your own models

http://www.doupe.cz/Doupecz/Dojmy-Operation-Flashpoint-Dragon-Rising--nelitostny-souboj/Blyska-se-na-lepsi-casy/sc-108-sr-1-a-135333-ch-129182/default.aspx

Well, I don't mind if the demo comes out after release, but if there would be none...hm, then I would rather spend my money on Operation Arrowhead, which I will anyway.

[Derk Yall]

Based on this preview, they say that the environement is steril and without life.
They also say, that in some place you can see bad texture transition on the terrain.

Also the CM producer (?) said, that you can not make your unit and addons, but you can buy DLC.

Hmmm, I was never optimistic about OFP:DR but now I dont know whast think about CM marketing strategy...

[NoRailgunner]

Who knows how CM and DR devs really think of pc gaming? Or they think pc gaming is a sinking ship and console games are flying (cash) cows?

Maybe the generation of "hardcore" pc & sim players are gettin old/fewer and next generations dont want to learn that much - simply enjoy an easy and entertaining mainstream game? Must be a reason why shooter(series) and similar games get more customers and sales...

[ohara]

Maybe the generation of "hardcore" pc & sim players are gettin old/fewer and next generations dont want to learn that much - simply enjoy an easy and entertaining mainstream game? Must be a reason why shooter(series) and similar games get more customers and sales...

I think this is a sad true, we are old boys at market (13 years for me)

[Maddmatt]

Also the CM producer (?) said, that you can not make your unit and addons, but you can buy DLC.

Yea, who's going to buy a few guns and a tank for $20 when people make them for free. Kill the competition so people have no choice :rolleyes:

Well that's disappointing. Up until recently I thought I would buy the game. But now that seems unlikely.

Still can't believe they wont add a walk button...

[Defunkt]

It was always very unlikely to compare well to ArmA (for this audience at least) but that's good. The last thing I want is to be torn between two ArmA's, what's far more useful in my book is a good-looking & smooth-running shooter that's approachable and yet retains strong milsim elements, a hardcore COD4/BF2 if you like. This is something I can play with friends who don't have the patience for ArmA and I'm looking forward to that.

[VaiHalen]

OFP without user made addons! That's too much. They are... well, I stfu.

[Deadfast]

http://www.doupe.cz/Doupecz/Dojmy-Operation-Flashpoint-Dragon-Rising--nelitostny-souboj/Blyska-se-na-lepsi-casy/sc-108-sr-1-a-135333-ch-129182/default.aspx

First sentence of the second page:
"My overall feeling is, no matter how much the developers try to hide it under the 'hardcode' coat, they are preparing nothing more but Call of Duty with a bit more freedom and maybe - in the whole run a bit more difficulty."


:banghead::banghead::banghead:

[Zipper5]

Too bad that the OFP name has to suffer. They've taken away almost everything that made OFP... well, OFP. Can't believe they'd think it a good thing to not have the ability to create new models or addons for the PC version at least.

Oh well, that means BIS will still retain the milsim developer crown.

:yay:

[BlackLord]

Have you seen the new Sounds of war video? They boast about how they recorded the sounds of real weapons yet they sound really weird ingame IMHO.
The more stuff comes out about this game the less impressed I become.

Pros:
-Realoading animations
-FLIR (I know, I know it will be implemented in ArmA but 2010 is far far away)
-Realistic Javelin CLU sight
-Radio chatter sounds natural
-It's just speculation but I think it will be less buggy and the single player gameplay will be more consistent than in ArmA2

Cons:
-Choppy running/sidestep animations.
-No healing animations
-The enviroment looks boring and lifeless(no animals and civilians).
-I've yet to see a city or a village, so far I've only seen farms with a few buildings and an airport.
-The lighting is crap and gives everything this unrealistic nextgen greybrownyellow shade.
-No freelook
-No walking
-Little to no bullet drop

I think this game is going to a be a middle ground between arcade and simulator games, like GRID was a middle ground between NFS and GTR2.

[Deadfast]

Highlights from the Czech preview from GamesCom (http://www.doupe.cz/Doupecz/Dojmy-Operation-Flashpoint-Dragon-Rising--nelitostny-souboj/Ve-stinu-draka/sc-108-sr-1-a-135333-ch-129181/default.aspx) posted by ohara:

The objecting of the mission reviewer played was to "destroy tanks before a friendly convoy arrives there". He finds it stupid that the convoy just doesn't wait for them to be dead before it even tries to move on.
He praised the squad AI.
He attempted to get himself killed by running out in the open but failed. He got hit twice, but all he had to do was to "take out bandages and hold left mouse button for 5 seconds". PR told him his movement and aiming will be effected but he has not noticed anything.
He finally died when he ran 5 meters in front of an enemy.
According to him friendlies have same problem with killing the enemy and he has the feeling that even though this is a fight between two sides only him and his 3-men squad can change its outcome.
The squad commanding is not complex, most of the situations can be solved by "shouting "Go, go, go!".
The artillery looks very good and is effective, however the reviewer was not fond of its use in the mission - the PR called it in 100 meters in front of the friendly convoy.
He thinks that "no matter how much the developers try to hide it under the 'hardcode' coat, they are preparing nothing more but Call of Duty with a bit more freedom and maybe - in the whole run a bit more difficulty".
He says the game isn't bad, he was having fun.
The game is not as open as they claimed it to be - you can choose where to attack from (usually 2 good spots) and that's it.
There will be simple editor in the PC version allowing you to make missions or campaigns.
The answer to reviewer's question whether you can add new units or islands was NO, however you will be able to buy DLC to "enhance your game".
Reviewer said the environment feels dead, like a "freshly disinfected dentist's office".
He wasn't amazed by the visual quality, the terrain was a letdown (there were visible texture transmissions at places)
He praised the gun sounds
He thinks the game is on a best way for good sales, however it is not a simulation.
He thinks the advertisement was aimed at hardcore players but the game itself is for Medal of Honor players.



PS, :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

[Thunderbird]

Okey, this say it all.
We better stick to our beloved ArmA series.

Regards,
TB

[ProfTournesol]

-It's just speculation but I think it will be less buggy and the single player gameplay will be more consistent than in ArmA2
.

I don't see any reason why the SP gameplay should be more consistent than ArmA2...

@<hidden> : thanks a lot for the translation, as usual :)

[ohara]

Reviewer say on doupe forum, that when your mates are killed, same persons are automatically resurected in next mission, but there was nothing like some story in first three missions that he play.

[Cole]

That doupe review was the last bit, I'm not going to touch that game, not even with a 4 meter pole.
It doesn't even deserve to use the name Operation Flashpoint, more like Operation Shitstorm :icon13:

It's nothing more than a really really screwed up copy of Call of Duty 4*.


*Not trying to bash CoD4 here, personally I think it's one of the best FPS for the last few years.

[Sennacherib]

And first czech preview, not possible to create addons or your own models

this is sure now, i won't buy it. to create addons is one of my pleasure. i can't believe that they removed also this feature. :(

[echo1]

The answer to reviewer's question whether you can add new units or islands was NO, however you will be able to buy DLC to "enhance your game".

Woah, they really screwed it up this time...

[MehMan]

YAY FOR DLC.

ugh, why.

[Scrub]

Ya know, if Clive knew this was coming and left CM because he decided to stick to his principles, I take back every bad thing I said about the man. If that's what happened, he actually has a healthy amount of my respect. This is frikkin' bait and switch, 'cut your losses and make it up with marketing and hype'. :aa::thud:


Thank you BIS for setting the bar high, and not cavailing when times got tough. I'm enjoying the hell out of it. And it's kind of like watching my kids grow up. I eagerly await OA.

[papoose244]

I always knew it would be crap the only thing that gets me mad is that there naming it operation flashpoint it should of just been called dragon rising.

[cjsoques]

Sadly from what I have been reading on both here and on the OFPDR forums it looks like this game is going downhill fast. I was hoping it would at least compete with ARMA2 in some respects but it appears that it isn't even going to come close. Granted it might have fewer bugs than ARMA2 when it releases but the more I hear about it the more watered down it sounds.

I'll have to wait and save my money for Arrowhead as it sounds like a performance enhanced content stuffed version of ARMA2 that I would be very excited about...If BIS would just lay off making the lame campaigns that don't work and work on more important aspects of the game. Not pre-ordering either one, but I now have higher hopes for Arrowhead.

[Shadow NX]

Hmm fits pretty much into what the gameplay vids told me.

Gfx that are so so but nothing amazing especially compared to a maxed out arma and a AI that cant hit a haybarn so only the player gets to make the most kills like in Call of Duty.

I wait for a demo but so far it seems i can save my money for Op.Arrowhead.

[echo1]

Walker's going to have a field day when he hears that there's no mods in OFP DR :whistle:

[svendejong]

[quote]Walker's going to have a field day when he hears that there's no mods in OFP DR [\quote]

yeah, I hope they'll deliver a moddable game, just to prevent that ;-)

cu on the zeus server tonite walker :-)

[sparks50]

Can someone reset the thread poll? :(

[JdB]

Can someone reset the thread poll? :(

That's why I waited until now to cast my vote, because I know how Codemasters (and pretty much the rest of the industry) sells their games. By making promises they won't keep. They should put less money into their PR and advertising department, and focus more on producing games that are actually worth buying without the sugarcoating. That's what happens when a company grows too big. Instead of making good products that sell themselves, you need to invest bucket loads of money to make the products look good on paper, which in turn requires high sales figures for the next product, and so on. One generic product aimed at as many target audiences as possible after the other.

[4 IN 1]

It was always very unlikely to compare well to ArmA (for this audience at least) but that's good. The last thing I want is to be torn between two ArmA's, what's far more useful in my book is a good-looking & smooth-running shooter that's approachable and yet retains strong milsim elements, a hardcore COD4/BF2 if you like. This is something I can play with friends who don't have the patience for ArmA and I'm looking forward to that.
you already got that, its called "Rainbow Six 3";)

So the OFP name have been ruin, too bad, but as long as BI wanted to do another milsim tactical shooter title using RV engine without the release nightmare of ARMA1/2, they can always call it "Independence lost"(hint! hint!) ;)


edit: on a secound thorugh of the "no addon/mission" subject, maybe they are talking about the 360 version?:confused:

[W0lle]

The answer to reviewer's question whether you can add new units or islands was NO, however you will be able to buy DLC to "enhance your game".

Reaction #1: LOL

Reaction #2: Why that doesn't surprise me? Somehow I expected that from CM. Why they should allow their customers to create their own content when they can sell them some via DLC.


Where is the guy who recently said BIS is milking their customers? :D
And why all the guys suddenly remain silent who claimed that DR is going to be the end of ArmA2?

Yep I think it might be a good idea to reset the poll and restart it. :)

[Undeceived]

The answer to reviewer's question whether you can add new units or islands was NO, however you will be able to buy DLC to "enhance your game".
If THAT really is the case, OFP will grow old very fast (I mean compared to Arma)...

But my first reaction also was: :D:D

[ProfTournesol]

If THAT really is the case, OFP will grow old very fast (I mean compared to Arma)...

But my first reaction also was: :D:D

CM game is NOT OFP and will never be !

[Undeceived]

Don't worry, I didn't mean OFPCWC. :)

btw. I like this name -> OFP:DR
Because of the smiley! :) It fits perfectly in there! :yay:

[echo1]

Reaction #2: Why that doesn't surprise me? Somehow I expected that from CM. Why they should allow their customers to create their own content when they can sell them some via DLC.

Or the guy on the OFP DR forums who said that BIS was trying to undermine OFPDR by purposefully putting new features in OA that arent in OFPDR.

I shit you not...

EDIT: Maybe the DLC was in reference to consoles only? But it isn't helped by this (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5546333&postcount=21) vague statement.

[MehMan]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Oh man, somebody needs to find that post.

[ProfTournesol]

Don't worry, I didn't mean OFPCWC. :)

btw. I like this name -> OFP:DR
Because of the smiley! :) It fits perfectly in there! :yay:

I'm overreacting because i got big red pimples everywhere on my body when i think about this :party: game and its name...

[echo1]

Here you go. (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5524735&postcount=1)

Maybe I'm misreading it because it's so badly written, but after reading through it about three times, that's the only interpretation of what's he trying to say that I can figure out.

Usually I don't approve of taking the piss out of specific people on the DR forums, but considering the amount of people that this guy has labeled douchebags for no good reason, he's earned it.

[W0lle]

Okay, reset the Poll and reopened it. :)

[Deadfast]

Okay, reset the Poll and reopened it. :)

Doesn't work I'm afraid, says I already voted :(



Voters: 0. You have already voted on this poll

[echo1]

Yeah, I sent him a PM about this.

[Fincuan]

Here you go. (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5524735&postcount=1)

Hahaha, good one :rthumb:

Nothing beats a good tantrum

[MehMan]

Here you go. (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5524735&postcount=1)

Maybe I'm misreading it because it's so badly written, but after reading through it about three times, that's the only interpretation of what's he trying to say that I can figure out.

Usually I don't approve of taking the piss out of specific people on the DR forums, but considering the amount of people that this guy has labeled douchebags for no good reason, he's earned it.

He's some kind of mod or something?

Also, HAHAHAHAHAHA. I mean, that's just sad.

[W0lle]

Okay see if the poll works now. Unfortunately it seems there is no option to reset it completely so people already voted can vote again.

If the problem persists the only option would be a new thread with a new poll.

[Undeceived]

Voters: 0. You have already voted on this poll

:D

[W0lle]

Poll only - no discussion allowed here.

For DR discussion please use this (http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=85107) thread.

[Deadfast]

Okay see if the poll works now. Unfortunately it seems there is no option to reset it completely so people already voted can vote again.

If the problem persists the only option would be a new thread with a new poll.

Still cannot vote.

Would it be possible to create a new poll, then merge everything from this one into it?

[W0lle]

Sigh... ok new DR poll is here (http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=85108).

@<hidden>
I tried that by creating a new thread and poll and then merging the old one with the new one. The result was that my new poll was overwritten with the fubar'd old one. :mad:

[NeMeSiS]

I will still decide based on the demo. I also had loads of fun with CoD1 years ago. (I think i already posted this months ago, seems like most of our predictions came true. :p )

[echo1]

Yeah, it may be a fun FPS experience, but Im not expecting the sort of depth and replay value that I'd get with OFP/ArmA.

Is there some way of deleting the above poll?

[Zipper5]

I can't believe that post...

Well, actually I can. I've met and talked to that guy before. He's the leader of the infamous "OFP2 Heroes" group. Basically, they're a bunch of "pretend moderators" trying to "help the OFP2 community".

Yeah, it's that bad...

Interesting the thinks he claims that no one points out ArmA II's flaws. I guess he hasn't seen the big-ass Troubleshooting and Suggestions sections on these forums.

[BlackLord]

Here you go. (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5524735&postcount=1)

Maybe I'm misreading it because it's so badly written, but after reading through it about three times, that's the only interpretation of what's he trying to say that I can figure out.

Usually I don't approve of taking the piss out of specific people on the DR forums, but considering the amount of people that this guy has labeled douchebags for no good reason, he's earned it.

This guy is fantastic.


the Army in Iraq shooting "Terros" with air flying overhead like the big boys on the field

So? US soldiers shooting Chinese soldiers is awesome but US soldiers shooting "Terrors" with air flying overhead sucks? What?


No one really talks from what I see about the flaws of ARMA2, like we do here with OFP2.

Sure, look at our Troubleshooting thread, it's totally not filled with complaints about flaws.


I know some do, untill fanboy #1 crushes him

Someone pointed out on OFPDR forums MARPAT uniforms look wrong, the immediate response was "NO U, CM WAS WORKING WITH DA REAL MARINES SO THEY KNOW".


You are however giving away money to expand a game, and further development to developers who are spending more time making content to sell

OFPDR DLCs however will be free ... right?

[TRexian]

Just saw the poll about buying OFP: DR.

I'll be sure to buy it as soon as it comes out for the Wii.... :D

[Scrub]

After reading several posts, and remembering comments made a short while ago, I'm thinking that the DLC they are speaking of indeed is for the console. Makes sense, especially if Viper (who has an NDA signed) has not yet removed his 'ofp:dr mod team' logo.

I'm sure much of the latest infos are not what you would call encouraging, so if it gets heated over there I'd understand. I remember my sense of loss when Arma 2 was stated to not have FLIR and the tank system was the same. (now possibly being remedied!! :bannana: *ahem*)

Look out Maddog, Sir Polaris is your corporate antithesis! Cm's fanboy #1

Hey W0lle, did you try merging the NEW thread to the OLD thread? (flipside of what you stated) lol. Most apps I'm aware of overwrite the first object with the altering aspects of the following objects.

**Edit: Sorry just saw the post about no discussion**

[W0lle]

FYI: The poll issue is all fixed now. ;)

[Takko]

BIS looks like once again is using cheap tactics to try to undercut the release of OFP2. It is childish and quite the douchebag move. While promoting a community culture supportive to there mentality. The point of this post was to bring awareness and to note - we are really not doing so bad when you compare to other forums in our comparative market.

Just because one BIS member posted it, he does not represent Bohemia interactive
as a whole.

That guy is the biggest fool

But the good thing is, even in the DR Forums they don't back his story.

[Defunkt]

I still don't understand the hostility people, do we want another ArmA splitting the already small milsim playerbase and even our own attentions/communities? Isn't this the best we might have hoped for; an accessible introduction that will expose more people to the genre? The name "Operation Flashpoint" was lost a long time ago, no point in staying bent out of shape about it.

[cjsoques]

Even with poll reset I put play the DEMO first before deciding

Even with all the watered down news about this game coming out and even with the signs of it sucking up pretty bad on both console and PC...what is there to lose with playing the DEMO just to see how it is?

I don't see why you wouldn't vote to at least play the demo before deciding on the game. If you tear it down even after the demo comes without even having tried it you are, at best, ignorant and close minded. Get 1st hand experience for yourself and make up your own mind when the demo is out.

I'm not seeing good things at all for OFPDR so my only hope now is Arrowhead. Alas, there is still no harm trying out the OFPDR demo...why not!?

[TangoRomeo]

Isn't this the best we might have hoped for

Entirely depends on your definition.
I rarely post on DR and mostly withheld subjective impressions, but what i´m seeing, and reading, basically comes from a feature complete game, about to be released. Normally you'd expect the dev/publisher to kick in the 2nd gear as release is closing in. Instead, we learn more about the restrictions being imposed on the player, for technical reasons or other.

[NodUnit]

do we want another ArmA splitting the already small milsim playerbase and even our own attentions/communities?

Would you people stop with that already.

The community will only be split more and more as time progresses because you can't please everyone and those that aren't will leave, it is inevitable.

[Defunkt]

And you're suggesting that direct competitors (which it would now appear OFP:DR is not) wouldn't have any influence on that process? Surely not.

Really not at all sure what it is you're saying actually.

[4 IN 1]

Why everyone still eat into the word of the reviewer? There is a large chance that he is talking about 360 version right?

And how dare that "mr. polaris" guy call me a douchebag, when i am a down right arsehole?!!!! :p

[trickster1982]

I'll probably give Flashpoint 2 a go just to see what its like, but I think its pretty clear from the proper in game videos that are now emerging that it isnt the game all those fancy CGI trailers were having us believe. My impression of the game is a cross between CoD 4 & Brothers in arms with crysis-esque visuals (lets not forget that crysis is 2 years old now, and although pretty to look at has a slight cartoon feel) that dont look as good as ArmA 2's gritty, drab style which looks far more realistic & true to life. Im no fanboy but I think ArmA 2 is easily on top as far as the military sim genre goes & is the better game of the two, although I reckon Flashpoint 2 will probably top the games charts for a while as it will appeal to the CoD crowd & will probably pick up quite a mainstream following. I think it will be an above average game & fun to play but highly doubt codemasters are going to steal away BIS' hardcore fanbase.

p.s. I do like the CoD games myself for mindless blast, but when I want immersion,realism & a challange I find it in BIS' games :)

[echo1]

Why everyone still eat into the word of the reviewer? There is a large chance that he is talking about 360 version right?

Yeah, I was thinking that myself. However, there's no official announcement on the DR forums despite a number of threads being launched about the subject, which is slightly worrying.

[W0lle]

If we're talking about this (http://forums.bistudio.com/showpost.php?p=1421489&postcount=2531) preview: As far as I can tell there was only the PC version present @<hidden> gamescom. Atleast I have not seen any Xbox standing around at the CM booth but 8 or 10 PCs.

[Andi]

Here you go. (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5524735&postcount=1)

Maybe I'm misreading it because it's so badly written, but after reading through it about three times, that's the only interpretation of what's he trying to say that I can figure out.

Usually I don't approve of taking the piss out of specific people on the DR forums, but considering the amount of people that this guy has labeled douchebags for no good reason, he's earned it.

The dude is being paid by CM. It's obvious. It has to be. Nobody can be so ... dumb :j:
By now it also IS obvious that CoDR is NOT a simulation. I think CM admits that in several interviews etc.

[froggyluv]

I got no problem with CM forumites -they support a game they believe will be good, I support a game that I already enjoy. If their game is good, I'll support that too. It aint complicated.

That was a strange and random attack on BIS and a couple of our memebers though, glad the majority over there saw it for what it was...

[Maddmatt]

That was a strange and random attack on BIS and a couple of our memebers though, glad the majority over there saw it for what it was...

Yea, and the moderators or an admin there deleted the evidence ;)

I'm still hoping to try a demo for this game, although I can't say I'll be in a rush to download it.
I wonder what the response to the game will be when it's finally out. Curious about the review scores.

[ShaiCZ]

One of the better known Czech gaming webs released a preview of the Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising, based on their first-hand experience with the game.

The conclusion after the preview version is clear: it is going to be a typical FPS, near-Rambo-style, and galaxies far away from the original game.

At least, there is not going to be an issue for us wheater to go for OPFDR, or stick with A2...:o)

Link (Czech only):http://www.doupe.cz/Doupecz/Dojmy-Operation-Flashpoint-Dragon-Rising--nelitostny-souboj/Ve-stinu-draka/sc-108-sr-1-a-135333-ch-129181/default.aspx

[Sniper Pilot]

Never was an issue if you ask my fanboy-ism....

[Tcherno Bill]

There is a 'translate' button in the right hand corner!

[Mr_Centipede]

what's ofpdr has anything to do in arma2 general thread? may I direct you to the offtopic thread -> http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=85107

[p75]

Come on.....all of us will try the demo and I think alot of us will buy it, just because of the variety it brings. We're not only playing Arma 2, are we....

The interesting aspect here is if the game does well. If it does, BIS should have a look at it and learn from its marketing tactics. For example: the CM devs release videos (WIP) before the release, interviews with the people behind the screens etc. I would suggest to BIS to do the same for Operation Arrowhead.

...... I hope its editor is as strong as BIS is. And that one can add content to the pc game, if not........

Most important here is for BIS to pay attention, marketingwise.........you can say alot about CM, but they clearly listened to their customers incorporating their suggestions, lets hope BIS does the same for Operation Arrowhead.

[p75]

Most people will test the demo and probably buy it just of the share amount of variety it will bring.......BIS can learn a lesson of their marketing efforts for Operation Arrowhead if this does well.......and I'm sad to say it, but this will outsell Arma 2 in big numbers........if the pc version of this game supports a good editor where one can add content.....Operation Arrowhead better be great!

[Max Power]

I wish someone quoted that CM forum rant for truth. I would have liked to read it. Hillarious that it was swept under the carpet, though.

When your community leaders start to shit the bed all over the official forums and the admins need to sweep it under the carpet, you know that the ship is sinking.

"BIS are trying to sink DR with new features". Well duh. It's called business and market share.

[Richieb0y]

i will buy it but it will never top ArmA2 never

[Grub]

Mmmm, it will sell more but, to me that keeps away the riff raff. Shame for BIS but no riff raff is always good, especially for on-line play. ;)

[DM]

I wish someone quoted that CM forum rant for truth.

You mean this one:


Quick Summary:
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BIS looks like once again is using cheap tactics to try to undercut the release of OFP2. It is childish and quite the douchebag move. While promoting a community culture supportive to there mentality. The point of this post was to bring awareness and to note - we are really not doing so bad when you compare to other forums in our comparative market.

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The Original Message:

Well I was out doing my morning stroll to find OFPR information and I came across this gem. If you sit back with a clear mind the message they are projecting is more of one of "I don't want to change, This is inferior to my tastes" and less - "Zomg OFP2 blows". So I took stock and move on.

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthrea...89#post1414489

With extra attention put on this post.

On first look you can notice 3 things. The poll is in great shape, the title of the thread is FPR (nice political statement there *roll eyes*) and

After sitting back in my chair and trying to decipher if it's "IM SUCH A FAN NOTHING CAN SHAKE MY LOYALTY" blind rage, or a worth while post. I did a look for that post. I conclude that person is using a bit to much emotion, and seeing how small his post is - that very good for a game when that's all some one has to nitpick on. Hell BF1942/BF2 I could write 4 pages

Going to Armedassault.info is where the real douchebagery kicks in. You know (any long term fans) that thoughout OFP2's development BIS has been less then slient in there "Zomg new patches" and "Hey look at us we got website updates" near and around alot of OFP2 major release dates. So it's not to be exspected with OFP2 releaseing they would fall back to the same old garbage they have been doing for at least a year now.

Ask your self before proceeding, that you think are the largest flaws in OFP and the most attractive thing to players in the market right now. Your most likely guess MP numbers, Large detailed Citys, Lots of units and weapons and vechs.

So what does BIS offer?
Lets start with giving you OFP1 remade in the newer engine: http://www.armedassault.info/index.p...id=2941&game=0
Second a exspantion pack: http://www.armedassault.info/index.p...id=2939&game=1
and Third staged photos to give every millsim child what they want - the Army in Iraq shooting "Terros" with air flying overhead like the big boys on the field: http://www.armedassault.info/index.p...id=2938&game=1

I find it funny that what they choose to release is directly targeting the "missing content" in OFP2. It's shrewd and effective, but cheap and reflects poorly on the company which in the last year, I have grown to dislike more and more due to ****ty practises like this.

Now you might be saying, "Naa this stuff was planned and it's not likly it has anything to do with OFP2".

To that I say Bupkis! - Just read the scripted Q and A.

Starting with:
Is there going to be a functional FLIR system out of the box (everything has heat based textures)
Jennik: Yes, there will be a FLIR system. We have one of the most sophisticated FLIR simulation systems already done for VBS2 and we will bring it in Arrowhead to fans of ARMA2 too.

Will the game have Functional IR lasers (PEQ units) like in vbs2? Or Flashlights?
Jennik: I'm glad to say: Yes, and yes.

Is the terrain based on Afghanistan? Or is it more of a desert?
Jennik: Kind of, it will include dense urban areas and the countryside too.
--------

No one really talks from what I see about the flaws of ARMA2, like we do here with OFP2. I know some do, untill fanboy #1 crushes him (Do note he is saying "Bugfixes will occur during the expansion development process" and is talking about a game company that still needs to patch ARMA1 - Sure they are going to get it this time, in there new expatiation pack you need to pay for - Just about as good as EA games). You see very little addressing about the patches needed, the unplayable game for many, over blur, ******** AI/voice communication system and the fact they made a EXP pack to make more money without yet addressing core issues.

When they are called out on it - they reply "Thats how we roll, we need money plz!". People paid for a game that worked - not for them to figure it out as you "go along". Now dont get me wrong your not paying for the patch or the fixes in the EXP. You are however giving away money to expand a game, and further development to developers who are spending more time making content to sell, under cutting CM then patching a game.

At this point now, I getting real fed up with BIS. I really don't care if CM releases a flaming turd - BIS with it's current management will never get my money, not unless I'm really really desperate. I know CM is a good company and the OFP devs are great and will support us at least for a good long time. I know CM as hole "company" is slow and really really slow to reacting to change. However they are not malevolent like BIS looks to me.

You only need to look at there forums to see the culture BIS promote and allow to exist. I find it hard to believe a game company would allow immaturity worse then we have seen here, to be promoted.

Anyways I though I would share that. I think it's the most childish thing ever and I think they get crucified over this issue. I truly hope there public wises up that it's not "Oh hai we made you this new stuff because we like you", it's "Hey we are EA games and we are making this stuff so our competitors have less to say "Look what we have and you don't" Please don't buy there product!" + We want more moneys!. That and a side order of staged, targeted responses (which CM doesn't do in any quality other when for legal reasons) should make anyone puke.


:whistle:

[Max Power]

Thanks alot DM. I didn't miss that in the thread, did I? I read about 6 pages all in one go and I don't know if I glossed over it.

BIS is 'malevolent'. That's hugely rich.

Everynight before I go to bed, I check my closet to make sure that BIS isn't in there, licking its fangs and biding its time until I fall into helpless sleep.

[Path-x]

Most people will test the demo and probably buy it just of the share amount of variety it will bring.......BIS can learn a lesson of their marketing efforts for Operation Arrowhead if this does well.......and I'm sad to say it, but this will outsell Arma 2 in big numbers........if the pc version of this game supports a good editor where one can add content.....Operation Arrowhead better be great!

Well obviously it will outsell Arma2. But that doesn't mean it is a better game. That only mean that the game is made for the "stupid" majority.

What lesson can BIS learn? To make a crappy mainstream games instead of pure classics so that every moron will buy them?

[DM]

Thanks alot DM. I didn't miss that in the thread, did I? I read about 6 pages all in one go and I don't know if I glossed over it.

No, it was posted on the CM forums, last for about 2 days, where he got a pretty divided response, and it has magically dissapeared this morning. I guess that means that at least the actual staff at CM dont really agree with him... At least not vocally anyway...

[BogdanM]

If the game can be modded I will probably buy it and it will be the perfect replacement for BF2(another game I enjoyed).

[F2k Sel]

If it runs more than five minutes then it'll have my vote.

[JW Custom]

.and I'm sad to say it, but this will outsell Arma 2 in big numbers........

Of course it will, thats why CM turned realism into arcade style, much bigger audience ;)

When watching vids and pics of OF: DR it reminds me of Joint Operations: Typhoon Rising... it was great fun!

[Max Power]

His claims were fairly outlandish at worst and were missing the point at best. I guess they don't wish to seem like they condone that kind of tyrade but they should leave it up for entertainment purposes.

[txalin]

For me it's very sad to see the direction that ofp2 has taken. I praise for a game that could be at the same level of arma 2, that would be good for BIS (they would need to improve the stability and betatesting process of their games ;) ) and also for us, we would have two milsims to play.

Anyway, looks like we will have to wait a few years :)

[echo1]

and I'm sad to say it, but this will outsell Arma 2 in big numbers........

Alot of people say that DR will outsell ArmA 2 as if it suddenly vindicates all of DR's failures. To be honest, I personally enjoy the ArmA series and it doesn't matter to me how many other people do, as long as BIS makes enough money to keep developing the game and it's successors. I can name plenty of games that outsold OFP. Not many of them still have an active community almost ten years after it was released. That's what counts IMHO.


No, it was posted on the CM forums, last for about 2 days, where he got a pretty divided response, and it has magically dissapeared this morning. I guess that means that at least the actual staff at CM dont really agree with him... At least not vocally anyway...

Well, one of the mods turned up to defend him. A bunch of people then accused same mod of being a hypocrite and suddenly the thread disappears next morning. :wink_o:

[MadDogX]

Look out Maddog, Sir Polaris is your corporate antithesis! Cm's fanboy #1


I'd like to think I'm a little less biased and over the top. After all, I have directed concerns and complaints of my own at BI and do intend to buy OFPDR (providing it lives up to my expectations as a COD4 clone with vehicles). ;)

[papoose244]

I'd like to think I'm a little less biased and over the top. After all, I have directed concerns and complaints of my own at BI and do intend to buy OFPDR (providing it lives up to my expectations as a COD4 clone with vehicles). ;)

isnt there battlefield 2 for that:rolleyes:

[Drongo69]

I've watched a lot of DR gameplay videos, and I have no idea where people get this "it's a CoD4/BF2 clone" stuff from. Please feel free to open my eyes with links to such footage.

As for the latest rumours about not being able to make new units, that is a massive deal-breaker for me. If it is true, then Codemasters have totally missed the point of what made OFP such a great and enduring game.

[SaBrE_UK]

The new co-op vid looks like it could be fun with some friends, but no walk on PC and no community-made addons are big failures. That Czech preview looks to give an honest look at the game, and the demo might sway me to buy it. For now, the latest stuff hasn't really impressed me.

[p75]

I've watched a lot of DR gameplay videos, and I have no idea where people get this "it's a CoD4/BF2 clone" stuff from. Please feel free to open my eyes with links to such footage.

As for the latest rumours about not being able to make new units, that is a massive deal-breaker for me. If it is true, then Codemasters have totally missed the point of what made OFP such a great and enduring game.

I think that would only apply for the console market.......dlc for money for the pc market??? I don't think so.......

It would be strange if you can't add your own content, that would deny what ofp was all about.....

[Student Pilot]

hmm, no modding for PC, if true, is quite disappointing. Not sure I like the no walk for PC, if true. I suppose, in the end, it all comes down to the demo to show us what is really in the game and what is not.

And if no demo is released, then no chance that money leaves my wallet.

Disappointed, but still hopeful.

-Student Pilot

[p75]

hmm, no modding for PC, if true, is quite disappointing. Not sure I like the no walk for PC, if true. I suppose, in the end, it all comes down to the demo to show us what is really in the game and what is not.

And if no demo is released, then no chance that money leaves my wallet.

Disappointed, but still hopeful.

-Student Pilot

You have a link, which states that.......as that would really be a disappointment.....what are they going to do then? Expansion packs for the pc.....? I must admit I have not visited CM board as of yet, merely watched their videos and they seem quite okay as far as videos go.....

[JdB]

Just read the scripted Q and A.

Scripted Q and A. Hmm, I can't recall anything but pre-scripted interviews from CM. They could have just used a trained monkey instead of career embellishing developers. The first change to their marketing should be to make continuous gameplay videos instead of an interruption with a developer making promises after every 10 or so seconds of gameplay. Then again, that would probably show what the game isn't, a competitor in the semi-realistic mil-sim market.

Someone earlier on in this thread praised CM for the marketing techniques used in it's videos. I would personally prefer BIS to stick to their current approach. Showing what the game that I am considering to buy is actually like rather than saying it is what I would want it to be.

Creating your own group ("Heroes" :ok: ) to brainwash people proclaim how good a product you think you like (without actual solid proof) is, while you point the Eliteness finger at others. How awesomely ELITE :yay:

[Pauliesss]

Maybe the generation of "hardcore" pc & sim players are gettin old/fewer and next generations dont want to learn that much - simply enjoy an easy and entertaining mainstream game? Must be a reason why shooter(series) and similar games get more customers and sales...Not true here, I cosider my self as young(next generation) and I love simulators, especially Arma(OFP before). :)

[Student Pilot]

You have a link, which states that.......as that would really be a disappointment.....what are they going to do then? Expansion packs for the pc.....? I must admit I have not visited CM board as of yet, merely watched their videos and they seem quite okay as far as videos go.....
I got that from a few pages back. There are links to either developer statements or reviews which say that there is no modding and no walking. Again, they may not apply to the PC version of the game. That part is unclear.

-Student Pilot

[ProfTournesol]

Not true here, I cosider my self as young(next generation) and I love simulators, especially Arma(OFP before). :)

True, even if i'm not "young" anymore, it's more a matter of brain, IMHO.

[sparks50]

The TAB targeting system from OFP seems to have survived. I especially noticed that the Javelin seems to function just like the ARMA javelin, except for the mounting animation and a Javelin-like HUD.

Come on developers, we want it properly.

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BTW, there goes the "every weapon system is operated like in real life" lie.

[Leopardi]

The TAB targeting system from OFP seems to have survived. I especially noticed that the Javelin seems to function just like the ARMA javelin, except for the mounting animation and a Javelin-like HUD.

Come on developers, we want it properly.


BTW, there goes the "every weapon system is operated like in real life" lie.

And the missiles leave at max. speed instantly after pressing the fire button... looks so stupid.

[Defunkt]

Creating your own group ("Heroes" :ok: ) to brainwash people proclaim how good a product you think you like (without actual solid proof) is, while you point the Eliteness finger at others. How awesomely ELITE :yay:
That's what I don't get, all those forum-goers blindly devoted to a product divorced from its pedigree, from a developer with no track record in the genre and who has delivered zero information beyond pre-rendered trailers and scripted marketing speil. With no real information every thread is an exercise in pure speculation and every member projects on OFP:DR their own notion of the perfect milsim, it's like a pack of dogs scrapping over a bone that never had any meat on it.

But I still have high-hopes for OFP:DR, not as a simulator (I already have one I like :)) but rather an accessible, militaristic shooter.

[Maddmatt]

New "Exclusive Cooperative Play Trailer" on Gametrailers.
HD: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-cooperative-operation-flashpoint/55143
SD: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-cooperative-operation-flashpoint/55142

Looks decent. Although hand grenades explode like HE tank shells and the player appears to take out an Mi-8 with a few bursts from his M249 (although maybe something else shoots it, but I don't see it).

[echo1]

The video looked pretty decent alright. But yeah, Im pretty sure that Mi8 was taken down with a short burst of SAW fire...

[SWAT_BigBear]

Looked like a sniper also scoped in on the pilot?

[Max Power]

They shouldn't have the engine turn off when the pilot dies, though. There could be more logical (and spectacular) consequences for pilot death than that.

[ManDay]

Looks decent. Although hand grenades explode like HE tank shells

The grenade ignited a stack of ammunition (true).

[Grimnirsson]

Although hand grenades explode like HE tank shells and the player appears to take out an Mi-8 with a few bursts from his M249 (although maybe something else shoots it, but I don't see it).

Helios (CM) said that the grenade hit an ammo crate or something like that and that was the reason the grenade went off with so much Boom. The copter pilot was hit by a sniper shot.

Grim

[NodUnit]

I've watched a lot of DR gameplay videos, and I have no idea where people get this "it's a CoD4/BF2 clone" stuff from. Please feel free to open my eyes with links to such footage.

People are most likely saying that due to the way the character moves, jogging with the gun up and things of that nature.

Another point some are using as a BF2 reference is the command system, by holding a button a 'compass' list of commands would come up.

[Sugz]

People are most likely saying that due to the way the character moves, jogging with the gun up and things of that nature.

Another point some are using as a BF2 reference is the command system, by holding a button a 'compass' list of commands would come up.

But I find this way of executing commands, far more intuitive and user friendly then reading menus and pressing numbers.

[MehMan]

Or because the gameplay looks action oriented rather than tactical-action oriented. There's no walk, there's no lean, no jets, the viewdistance portrayed is nowhere near the 35km VD, but rather BF2 level. The animations look bad, they seem to be using the float object first person view. All in all it reminds me much more of BF2 than it does of OFP. It looks like BF2 without a map size limit(although, some of the interviews make me question that) and that's a good thing! I've always liked BF2, but never the small maps. The other problem I can see is that BF2 is more moddable than DR seems to going to be.

[BlackLord]

True, even if i'm not "young" anymore, it's more a matter of brain, IMHO.

No it's a matter of taste.
This is what I really don't like about the ArmA community. Some people here think they are superior to people who play arcade shooters and this is why some of you come off as annoying elitists. Not everyone is interested in military technology and most people do not give a flying f**k about ballistics and the way their gun works, they just want to shoot a ton of badguys and have fun, that alone doesn't make them stupid.

[dunedain]

I agree but look at ProfTournesol's posts concerning OfpDr, the best way to deal with this is just to ignore it... Truying to make him rationalize would be like telling Jehovah's Witnesses that what they're saying is bullshit, you'ld not see the end.


I think he loves a bit too much BiS. :)


About the vid it looks ok but there is definitely something wrong with colors, that's really disturbing me, I hope i'm not alone. :j:

[ProfTournesol]

No it's a matter of taste.
This is what I really don't like about the ArmA community. Some people here think they are superior to people who play arcade shooters and this is why some of you come off as annoying elitists. Not everyone is interested in military technology and most people do not give a flying f**k about ballistics and the way their gun works, they just want to shoot a ton of badguys and have fun, that alone doesn't make them stupid.

Well my bad, i only meant that "shooting a ton of badguys" isn't a very clever way of playing, it doesn't demand much brain power compared to "think first before acting or you'll soon be dead". In short, killing bad guys is more fun when those guys are hard to kill : it's a kind of "intellectual pleasure". I never meant that "arcade players" are stupid.

@<hidden> : could be you kind enough and point me to the posts you're talking about ?

[Drongo69]

Or because the gameplay looks action oriented rather than tactical-action oriented. There's no walk, there's no lean, no jets, the viewdistance portrayed is nowhere near the 35km VD, but rather BF2 level. The animations look bad, they seem to be using the float object first person view. All in all it reminds me much more of BF2 than it does of OFP. It looks like BF2 without a map size limit

Vanilla OFP has no lean and absolutely awful animations. BF2 has jets (albeit awful ones). Fair enough on no walk (an absolutely brainless decision by the devs). The radial dial is reminiscent of BF2 on a cosmetic level.

For me BF2 means sprinting around, bunny-hopping, dolphin-diving go-go-go action with getting shot once or twice often being a trivial matter. Alls of that on fairly small maps with limited variation in game objectives. I'm not getting that vibe from DR at all.

[echo1]

Vanilla OFP has no lean and absolutely awful animations..

So? OFP is ten years old. Why should it's supposed sequel inherit the same old problems?

[Sennacherib]

I haver never played at BF2 or COD 4 (only cod1), so I can't compare with OFP:DR. I can compare ofp:dr only with ofp.

And personally, the only thing which is for me a bad news is the impossibility to create mods or to add (without spend my money) addons. this feature is in my opinion essential.

I can live without: lean, planes, and with animations a little bit average. But if I can't add new content to a game, I don't buy it, because the games bore me very quickly, if I can not renew the content.

[JW Custom]

Some people here think they are superior to people who play arcade shooters and this is why some of you come off as annoying elitists.

You got that wrong dude!

People come here and compare ArmA with BF2 or other similar shooters and want changes made like mouse doesn't react like they are used to when they get their 50-100 kills per round in the games they usually play. Really annoying when this is about simulation and not about having a frag fest!!



Not everyone is interested in military technology and most people do not give a flying f**k about ballistics and the way their gun works, they just want to shoot a ton of badguys and have fun, that alone doesn't make them stupid.

Correct, but then those people should go to the forum of a game which your description fit!

[4 IN 1]

what kind of grenade that is? a thermite? how come a single frag grenade "ignite" an ammo crate when most of its killing power is fragmentation and shockwave? where is the mythbusters when you need one?:p

[Zipper5]

Not everyone is interested in military technology and most people do not give a flying f**k about ballistics and the way their gun works, they just want to shoot a ton of badguys and have fun, that alone doesn't make them stupid.
Well if it's a matter of taste then, with that taste in games, what the hell are you doing picking up a game entitled Operation Flashpoint?

The biggest issue is the confusing messages Codemasters are sending. Operation Flashpoint means it should be a hardcore military simulator, but OFPDR is definitely not that, nor is it ever going to be.

Like FarCry 2, the only similarity between it and it's predecessor is the name. And in the case of OFPDR, that is not a good thing.

[echo1]

what kind of grenade that is? a thermite? how come a single frag grenade "ignite" an ammo crate when most of its killing power is fragmentation and shockwave? where is the mythbusters when you need one?:p

It's a bit like taking down a helicopter with a sniper rifle, it can happen, but it's not something you want to count on when you need it.

[Scrub]

No it's a matter of taste.
This is what I really don't like about the ArmA community. Some people here think they are superior to people who play arcade shooters and this is why some of you come off as annoying elitists. Not everyone is interested in military technology and most people do not give a flying f**k about ballistics and the way their gun works, they just want to shoot a ton of badguys and have fun, that alone doesn't make them stupid.

And when someone says 'most people do not give a flying f**k about ballistics and the way their gun works, they just want to shoot a ton of badguys' on THE forum for THE most sim-ey combined arms game out there... What else would you expect, but the majority of people wanting to look UP to what the next level of sim is?

Really, think about it.

Who here wants the genre to be watered down like CM are doing? Hell they even have their #1 Fanboy (you're right MadDog, you're much more reserved and balanced, I really meant it for the ferocity you exhibit, apologies if I implied anything contrary ;) ) saying things like 'hell I don't care if CM put out a flaming turd'.. Ya, THAT's really pushing the game category forward. Most here seem to agree: The limitations, challenges, and the capabilities that ArmA2's details create are what gives this game a depth that none other has. We'd like to see the whole game style lifted and challenged by it. You are truly free to have your opinion, and to like what you do. This was not a personal attack on your tastes, just a comparison of expectations and the fact you are judging others.


On that point: Judge not, lest you be judged:
Call us elitists if you want, but you, sir, sound like you are in the gray muck of pointless mainstream gaming.



@<hidden>: I thought the same, I'd be happy to try it with what you said missing, but then there was...

-The 'tether' limit of ~250m from other players: So then, no combined ops? Or must the helo remain on station overhead? (I'd like a hard answer on that one).

-The combat zone limit: Can't leave the immediate selected area of operations and such. Why not just have the large map cut up into smaller zones? Would save CPU and memory bandwidth from the now-less-needed streaming terrain process. That ended up like building a boat in a basement.

-The limit on MP players and AI.

I thought this game was supposed to remove the limits on players?

[Zipper5]

Is it just me or is the audio on that coop trailer completely out of sync?

[dunedain]

So being on "THE forum for THE most sim-ey combined arms game out there..." prohibites us from being objective ?


Ofp Dr has been built for console before pc, with all experience most people here have of tactical shooters being ported to consoles I don't think there is a lot to argue with .. Doesn't make console players stupid, just different tastes and pad's limitations. :)

R6 and Gr are gone, but BiS still here, no need to worry of what Cm is doing with its Ofp Dr. May be a nice game.


@<hidden> : could be you kind enough and point me to the posts you're talking about ?

I'm sure you can do it yourself, but yes I must apologize after you've enlighted your point. so sorry. :)

[Scrub]

Oh no, please do be objective. I'm just saying of course a thread for a touted mil-sim, that is going the 'fun and furious' way, on these forums is going to get slapped around. Some will like it and some won't.

If those who implied BF and COD'ers are stupid really looked at it, they would probably admit it's the peoples actions, not the people themselves that are annoying. (leet speak, demanding more fun less realism in their beloved game, TK'ing, ramboing, etc.)

[echo1]

Someone on the Dragon Rising forums wrote this (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376247) review when he supposedly played the game at some expo.

It seems though that his account is quite inconsistent, and there seem to be people on the thread who suspect that it's quite likely that he just made it all up.

[Zipper5]

Lulz, since when did BIS leave the OFP series? Weren't they forced to lose the name because of the contractual disagreement between them and Codemasters?

Yay for a grenade spammer playing it as well, apparently...

Haha, it "owns" ArmA II? And he gives the game near perfect scores, claiming they've done it after playing two missions?

Bah, why did I even waste my time reading that...

[dunedain]

Watch comments, it seems he's telling bullshit, fake review.

[JdB]

and that it's quite likely that he just made it all up.

Oh common!

It's positive about DR, surely it must be true. I mean, who would lie about something as honest and pure as a Codemasters game :bounce3:

[4 IN 1]

Lulz, since when did BIS leave the OFP series? Weren't they forced to lose the name because of the contractual disagreement between them and Codemasters?

Yay for a grenade spammer playing it as well, apparently...

Haha, it "owns" ArmA II? And he gives the game near perfect scores, claiming they've done it after playing two missions?

Bah, why did I even waste my time reading that...
why? he gives me such a great laugh!:D

[echo1]

Watch comments, it seems he's telling bullshit, fake review.

Rather than address any of the criticism, the mods just locked the threads. Ironically, this style of moderation probably causes more FUD to be spread than it does to address it.

Also, lulz at the 2-3 people on the thread who said "I don't care if he made it up, it's still a good review!"

[Chops]

So? OFP is ten years old. Why should it's supposed sequel inherit the same old problems?

When read carefully (left to right) the post to which you refer tells of a comparison between BF2 and the first OFP.

[Zipper5]

Wow, my respect for the DR community just sunk to an all-new low... And that's a scary thought. :butbut:

[p75]

Lol, a lying kid makes them all go: Oh, fantastic.....christ, so it can get alot worse......kids. For the record there were only pc's standing with OFP:DR.

[ricbar89]

Lol, a lying kid makes them all go: Oh, fantastic.....christ, so it can get alot worse......kids. For the record there were only pc's standing with OFP:DR.

A lieing kid that got called liar by many mebers, if something like that had been posted on BIS do you really think everyone would dismiss it? I think its best you dont answer that.


Oh common!

It's positive about DR, surely it must be true. I mean, who would lie about something as honest and pure as a Codemasters game :bounce3:

Your sarcasm is mis-placed as noone believed him anyway.

[echo1]

From what I read, only two people contradicted him, and one of them was given an infraction by a mod for calling the guy a liar. If you're going to engage in mud slinging, get your case right.

[ricbar89]

From what I read, only two people contradicted him, and one of them was given an infraction by a mod.

That what you read on the forums, and a mod should give the benifit of a doubt. And like i said, if someone had taken the time to do the same with ARMA your telling me everone would have been questioning him? :j:

Anyway, it doesnt matter, no point in posting here anymore, the ignorance is just to much for me now.

[echo1]

That what you read on the forums, and a mod should give the benifit of a doubt. And like i said, if someone had taken the time to do the same with ARMA your telling me everone would have been questioning him? :j:

First sentence doesn't make sense, but you seem to be contradicting yourself - one minute you're saying that it's obvious that he was lying and that everyone saw through him, now you are saying the mods have to give him the benefit of the doubt?

And yes, God knows if someone was sad enough to try that around here, I think people would see through him straight away.

[ricbar89]

First sentence doesn't make sense, but you seem to be contradicting yourself - one minute you're saying that everyone thought he was an idiot, now you are saying the mods have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

And yes, God knows if someone was sad enough to try that around here, I think people would see through him straight away.

:?:

I said a mod should give the benefit of the doubt, they are in a position of responsibility, people are free to make their own decisions. How is that contradictive?

[SWAT_BigBear]

:?:

I said a mod should give the benefit of the doubt, they are in a position of responsibility, people are free to make their own decisions. How is that contradictive?
Surely the mod could have proven if PS3 was there? Or else why is he the mod of the CM forums?



Also, lulz at the 2-3 people on the thread who said "I don't care if he made it up, it's still a good review!"

I thought that was cute also.

[echo1]

:?:

I said a mod should give the benefit of the doubt, they are in a position of responsibility, people are free to make their own decisions. How is that contradictive?

So why did they give the idiot that obviously is lying the benefit of the doubt, but not the guy that puts forward a case to show that he's lying?

And I find it curious that you accuse us of ignorance when you change your case every post.

[ricbar89]

Surely the mod could have proven if PS3 was there? Or else why is he the mod of the CM forums?

ManDay is just a mod, he has very little direct involvment with CM, he's not like Viiiper with info and a NDA. I doubt he even knew what was there.


So why did they give the idiot that obviously is lying the benefit of the doubt, but not the guy that puts forward a case to show that he's lying?

And I find it curious that you accuse us of ignorance when you change your case every post.

Because the noone can prove the "Idiot" was lying, a member cant look at IPs, so the other guy had to be lying. Just because its obvious to you doesnt mean you can just hand out a infraction, or let someone else make accusations without any actual proof. What's to stop anyone from just calling someone a lair without proof in the future?

Chage my case, i thought it was quite clear?

[Soldier of Anarchy]

Is all this still about a game, or soap opera?


I wonder how much bandwidth this takes away from bis, to discuss a competitors product?

[Scrub]

A lieing kid that got called liar by many mebers, if something like that had been posted on BIS do you really think everyone would dismiss it? I think its best you dont answer that.


Actually, Before the ArmA 1 release, I posted a few items that I read a while before about features that were left ingame but not activated, great features. Even that it would have been fantastic, I got called out immediately as not being informed and quickly became so :D . So my perspective of this community is that there are excitable elements (me included), but the lumped average is that it is very pragmatic, and honest at times to a fault.

[Student Pilot]

Holy s**t people, give it a rest. Honestly, what bearing does this have with OFPDR? Does whatever this person said, whether it be truthful or not, and the response of the OFPDR community really have an impact on the game itself? Here we are bickering about nothing, and no one has bothered to answer my question, can the grass be turned off if it is a performance hit or really ugly? Is it possible to talk about the game and not the communities of ArmaII and OFPDR?

But whatever, keep debating the merits of the OFPDR community and extrapolate that to your opinion of the game.

Sheesh

-Student Pilot

[echo1]

Either way, more lulz coming up here. (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376268)

[SWAT_BigBear]

Student Pilot:
We are discussing a "review" of a game with in the games dedicated forum thread.

Where exactly are you?

[Student Pilot]

Still waiting to hear something even remotely related to the game itself instead of all this "OMFGLOLZ the OFPDR community suxors LOL!!!!".....

-Student Pilot

[Zipper5]

This is related to the game.

Aren't communities a strong aspect of most games? It's the strongest aspect of BIS' games.

[SWAT_BigBear]

Still waiting to hear something even remotely related to the game itself instead of all this "OMFGLOLZ the OFPDR community suxors LOL!!!!".....

-Student Pilot
Well then, I guess you do not believe the review either?
It's all in fun sir.

I to would like to know the question you asked, but I believe we will have to wait and see the answer in the demo.


[/back to fun]
ch_123 should have left the 2nd link

[ricbar89]

Actually, Before the ArmA 1 release, I posted a few items that I read a while before about features that were left ingame but not activated, great features. Even that it would have been fantastic, I got called out immediately as not being informed and quickly became so :D . So my perspective of this community is that there are excitable elements (me included), but the lumped average is that it is very pragmatic, and honest at times to a fault.

If the community is so honest why are posts like this being made?

http://forums.bistudio.com/showpost.php?p=1408917&postcount=2346

[Zipper5]

If the community is so honest why are posts like this being made?

http://forums.bistudio.com/showpost.php?p=1408917&postcount=2346
Who said the community is honest? It's strong, but not always honest.
And that's walker... 'nuff said.

Their community so far is not strong at all, and is not honest.

[echo1]

[/back to fun]
ch_123 should have left the 2nd link

Done :)


If the community is so honest why are posts like this being made?

http://forums.bistudio.com/showpost....postcount=2346

No community is perfect, but compare any of Walker's posts with Sir. Polaris' linked a few pages back... You do understand that there are varying degrees of idiocy, right?

[ricbar89]

Done :)



No community is perfect, but compare any of Walker's posts with Sir. Polaris' linked a few pages back... You do understand that there are varying degrees of idiocy, right?

I think post like Sir Polaris come from the frustration of reading what is said here.

Look at the ARMAII thread at CM, it was one of the most popular threads there, but after what was said here Viiiper had enough and moved it to the depths of the forum. Now no matter what your opinions of Viiiper may be he let that thread exist for all that time before moving it (i actually PM'd Viiper to protest about it being moved, and he himself told me he was fed up with the negativity, so i know that for a fact). If there had been less rubbish here by some members that thread would still be up, and all the hundreds of people would still be viewing it, and becoming interested in ARMAII because of it, but they’re not.

Its just an example of the segregation of the old OFP community, that has although has been six of one and half a dozen of the other it started at BIS end im sorry to say.

I've been here since before the DR community existed, and even before the very first grainy 30 second clip of gameplay there was an aurora of negativity, and im not the only one who has pointed out the constant negativity, other users have in this very thread.

So although i dont exactly like those kind of posts, i can at least see where they come from.

[echo1]

I think post like Sir Polaris come from the frustration of reading what is said here.

So Walker's posts single handedly turned huge sections of the DR forums from rational and logical people to retarded fanboys that are about 10x worse than anyone here?

[Zipper5]

Of course there will be negativity. Codemasters took the name which many of the members here are fans of, causing BIS serious money problems and having to create the ArmA series.

Not only that, but they've come on to make OFPDR which, and I quote, they said would not be dumbed down. This was a while ago, granted, but they said it. And have said it many times since. But there's no denying it, it's watered down. And that's not what OFP fans want to see. It's a slap in the face to the original fan base and Codemasters deserve the ridicule they get as a result.

I for one will see what it's like based on reviews and a demo, if there is one. If it's toted as nothing more than Call of Duty 4 with more freedom, I ain't touching it.

[ricbar89]

So Walker's posts single handedly turned huge sections of the DR forums from rational and logical people to retarded fanboys that are about 10x worse than anyone here?

?

I clearly stated there has been an aurora of negativity for the very beginning by many people here, Walkers post was an example. Like i said the frustration comes from here, if you go back through this thread you'll many a retarded fanboys post, totally rubbishing DR, not at all giving it a chance. Retarded fanboys aren’t exclusive to CM im sorry.

Im not defending it, but my point is if less people had made their minds up before the first footage had come out (the game isn’t even out yet but it feels like it is here), then both communities would be in much better standing.

Less people are going to know about ARMA2 from whats been said here, and that’s a shame.

[Max Power]

Dude, at very best, the game doesn't look like it's going to be any kind of sequel- or even distantly related- to OFP. For those who want another tactical sim like OFP only enhanced, I'm not sure there's much to be super positive about DR. We are here and we play ArmA because of its similarities to OFP. Well, at least I do. Purists, I think, will not be impressed. This is okay by the CM devs because it's obviously not purists they are trying to impress. But, if something is negative, I think we ought be to allowed to express that.

[ricbar89]

Dude, at very best, the game doesn't look like it's going to be any kind of sequel- or even distantly related- to OFP. For those who want another tactical sim like OFP only enhanced, I'm not sure there's much to be super positive about DR. We are here and we play ArmA because of its similarities to OFP. Well, at least I do. Purists, I think, will not be impressed. This is okay by the CM devs because it's obviously not purists they are trying to impress. But, if something is negative, I think we ought be to allowed to express that.

Again my point is the negativity that has been around from the very beginning, also the unfair attitude towards DR, like I said anything negative being taken as fact whether there is any evidence to back it up or even evidence to its contrary.

[Max Power]

Again my point is the negativity that has been around from the very beginning, also the unfair attitude towards DR, like I said anything negative being taken as fact whether there is any evidence to back it up or even evidence to its contrary.

Well, in the beginning I was highly optimistic. My high hopes have been wittled away progressively by CM's ridiculous marketting practices, their lying devs, their strange gameplay decisions, and their engine that doesn't really seem to live up to the hype. I can't say that I've heard anything that would make a great dent in the growing body of aspects of the game I do not appreciate.

[Andi]

I suggest to merge this thread with Military Humor. It's just so funny, I can't stop laughing :rofl:

[4 IN 1]

I was once wishing for an enhanced realism fps for 360 which ofp:dr once saying will be, but the more they spend time on the more it becames more like what UBI GRAW and RS:V turns out to be and thats driving me away, too much case study, and i have learn how not to listen to hype...

[riffleman]

Ofp is great.ofp2 review can i use to make my mind.

[Scrub]

I suggest to merge this thread with Military Humor. It's just so funny, I can't stop laughing :rofl:

Sad but true. Going elsewhere for a while to not wind up the topic. Or until more info comes out. Cheers.

[riffleman]

Ofp2 show screeshots looks nice,but i think reality we can find in playing game or from reviews.yoh

[p75]

Lol, many will play the demo and probably will end up buying it as this particular markt segment is small. And guess what, many will enjoy it! The only thing which is not good about OF: DR is simply the fact that you can't mod it (that is what I understood sofar, not sure if it also applies to the pc version). BIS has a good history for allowing mods on their software, it brings something else.

OF: DR can't be that bad as CM put tons of resources on the game. And sadly enough it will outsell Arma 2 in a big way. Let us just hope Operation Arrowhead blows OF: DR out of the water.

I, for one, like the big sandbox experience BIS brings.....still, I'll probably end up buying OF: DR for the pc if the demo is any good.

[DM]

OF: DR can't be that bad as CM put tons of resources on the game.
And Hitler put tons of resources into WW2 and killing ethnic minorities, that wasnt all that great now, was it...

Throwing resources at things does not mean that they will be good... (Windows Vista, mayhaps? ;) ) :j:


And sadly enough it will outsell Arma 2 in a big way.
Still dont get why you're so hung up on sales... Counterstrike outsells OFP/ArmA but thats no huge crisis. Its almost as if you think people can only ever play one game at a time? Also, you're forgetting the cross-game benefits. A lot of clans/groups here would not want "the sort of person who would play DR" in their communities. Alternatively a lot of people might get DR, then discover they want more - the other alternative being ArmA or one of its incarnations.

[MadDogX]

Throwing resources at things does not mean that they will be good... (Windows Vista, mayhaps? ;) ) :j:

I'm guessing by "bad" he means "bugged". Of course you can't make a great game simply by throwing a lot of resources at it, but at least you can make sure it's in playable shape. In the case of Arma2 we got a brilliant game that suffers from numerous bugs and unfinished / unimplemented features, probably due to lack of resources and resulting development time constraints.

OFPDR on the other hand has superior financial backing, so we can assume there will be a lot more and thorough QA testing than Arma2 recieved. (Though BIS have recently gone a long way to make up for this with the new beta release system.) Whether or not OFPDR can live up to its name is a different matter.

[Alex72]

Ive checked so many videos of that game now and i gag everytime i see that strutty running with the weapon up in the face at all times. Why is it so important to see the weapon at all times? Cause its cool? Looks like the guy running is some crossbreed of human+rabbit.

Some other games i dont like comes to mind when i see that...

[Drongo69]

Well thank goodness that the BIS community is level headed and mature, and would never say, compare a rival to their preferred videogame to genocide.

[MadDogX]

Well thank goodness that the BIS community is level headed and mature, and would never say, compare a rival to their preferred videogame to genocide.

Godwin's law. No one can escape it.

[Herbal Influence]

shit -duplicate post -deleted - sorry

[Sennacherib]

Well thank goodness that the BIS community is level headed and mature, and would never say, compare a rival to their preferred videogame to genocide.

I agree. the post with "hitler" is really stupid. I can't even understand how he can use this kind of comparison

[Maddmatt]

I agree. the post with "hitler" is really stupid.
But you can't expect an intelligent reply to a stupid comment.

Anyway, who cares. Buggy or not, DR isn't living up to the hype IMO - I thought Codemasters could do better.
I still want to try a demo at least though. Release is getting close. A local store says October 15th.

[DM]

But you can't expect an intelligent reply to a stupid comment.
At least someone gets it... :j:

[Eble]

I have an outstanding question on the CM forums - wasn't a hard one.

I just wanted confirmation player made content can be added to the game, either no one knows or someones not saying..

Game won't be as modable as first thought maybe.

found some interesting info while surfing about: - source : http://www.legionofspartans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4369


I got no help from Ubi I was referring to GR.net as a great place for help.

Just for you, there are lead images when editing for your mission the one that shows up on selection that you can embed your logo or name into too. Lets me say if I was pre-making them I would use a layer program like photo-shop or the likes, save as PNG, BMP, JPG, GIF or TIF format and make them 32bit 512px X 512px.

;)


The game comes with English, German, Spanish, Italian & French Audio tracks.

This file was leaked but I aksed Cm about it and they were not concerned... so here




config_sku.xml
CODE
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<!-- This is the configuration file for SKU-specific overrides -->
<config>
<configset name = "localisation">
<property name = "numberOfLanguages" value = "5" />
<property name = "language0" value = "en" />
<property name = "language1" value = "fr" />
<property name = "language2" value = "it" />
<property name = "language3" value = "de" />
<property name = "language4" value = "es" />

<property name = "numberOfAudioLanguages" value = "5" />
<property name = "audioLanguage0" value = "en" />
<property name = "audioLanguage1" value = "fr" />
<property name = "audioLanguage2" value = "it" />
<property name = "audioLanguage3" value = "de" />
<property name = "audioLanguage4" value = "es" />

<property name = "defaultLanguage" value = "en" />
</configset>

<configset name = "contentRestrictions">
<property name = "minimumAgeForMultiplayer" value = "15" />
</configset>

<configset name="PS3">
<property name="TitleId" value="TEST-12345"/>
<property name="NPCommId" value="NPWR00823_00"/>
<property name="NPCommSig" value="DefaultNPCommSig"/>
<property name="ServiceId" value="DefaultServiceId"/>
</configset>
</config>

and

Hardware settings...


hardware_settings_options.xml
CODE
<hardware_config_options>

<!-- Graphics Defaults - This category offers default overall graphical settings. -->
<category name="graphicsDetail" >
<option name="low">
<graphics_detail level="low" />
<graphics_card>
<resolution width="640" height="480" >
<refreshRate rate="60" />
</resolution>
</graphics_card>
<ref category="aspect" option="normal" />
<ref category="fullscreen" option="true" />
<ref category="vsync" option="off" />
<ref category="coverage" option="low" />
<ref category="ground_cover" option="low" />
<ref category="bulk_trees" option="low" />
<ref category="animation" option="low" />
</option>
<option name="medium" type="default" >
<graphics_detail level="medium" />
<graphics_card>
<resolution width="1024" height="768" >
<refreshRate rate="60" />
</resolution>
</graphics_card>
<ref category="aspect" option="normal" />
<ref category="fullscreen" option="true" />
<ref category="vsync" option="off" />
<ref category="coverage" option="medium" />
<ref category="ground_cover" option="medium" />
<ref category="bulk_trees" option="medium" />
<ref category="animation" option="medium" />
</option>
<option name="high">
<graphics_detail level="high" />
<graphics_card>
<resolution width="1024" height="768" >
<refreshRate rate="60" />
</resolution>
</graphics_card>
<ref category="aspect" option="normal" />
<ref category="fullscreen" option="true" />
<ref category="vsync" option="off" />
<ref category="coverage" option="high" />
<ref category="ground_cover" option="high" />
<ref category="bulk_trees" option="high" />
<ref category="animation" option="high" />
</option>
</category>

<category name="aspect" >
<option name="normal" >
<graphics_card>
<resolution aspect="0.0" />
</graphics_card>
</option>
<option name="4:3" >
<graphics_card>
<resolution aspect="1.333333" />
</graphics_card>
</option>
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<graphics_card>
<resolution aspect="1.250000" />
</graphics_card>
</option>
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<graphics_card>
<resolution aspect="1.777777" />
</graphics_card>
</option>
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<graphics_card>
<resolution aspect="1.600000" />
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</option>
<option name="5:3" >
<graphics_card>
<resolution aspect="1.666666" />
</graphics_card>
</option>
</category>

<category name="vsync" >
<option name="on">
<graphics_card>
<resolution vsync="1" />
</graphics_card>
</option>
<option name="off">
<graphics_card>
<resolution vsync="0" />
</graphics_card>
</option>
</category>

<category name="fullscreen" >
<option name="true" translation="on_off_on" >
<graphics_card>
<resolution fullscreen="true" />
</graphics_card>
</option>
<option name="false" translation="on_off_off" >
<graphics_card>
<resolution fullscreen="false" />
</graphics_card>
</option>
</category>

<category name="gamma" >
<option name="0.5">
<graphics_card>
<gamma level="0.5" />
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</option>
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<graphics_card>
<gamma level="0.6" />
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<gamma level="0.7" />
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<graphics_card>
<gamma level="0.8" />
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<graphics_card>
<gamma level="0.9" />
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<graphics_card>
<gamma level="1.0" />
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<option name="1.1">
<graphics_card>
<gamma level="1.1" />
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<graphics_card>
<gamma level="1.2" />
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<graphics_card>
<gamma level="1.3" />
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</option>
<option name="1.4">
<graphics_card>
<gamma level="1.4" />
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<option name="1.5">
<graphics_card>
<gamma level="1.5" />
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<graphics_card>
<gamma level="1.6" />
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[Herbal Influence]

Whether or not OFPDR can live up to its name is a different matter.

To "it's" name ?! :confused:

Oh please don't treat OFPDR like something being original ... it's just a try of a copy of OFP, AA1 and AA2.

Codemaster only has withheld the name.
They never DID Operation Flashpoint.
It was all done by BI: The idea, the game, the openess of the gameworld.
I believe - but not sure about that - that even the name "Operation Flashpoint" was invented by BI, but that a single contract clause left Codemaster the right to use that name or trademark ...

Everbody else can try to build something like Operation Flashpoint, Microsoft, Ubisoft ... I would never call that "Operation Flashpoint", because it can only be a copy of the great game BI invented.

[Mudkip]

lol at the OFP DR videos with FLIR, apparently everything except people and vehicles are at absolute zero! The night vision looks very good though.

The voice acting in this game uses the same system as ArmA 2... except they had proper voice actors...

This game is going to be more realistic than ArmA 2.

[echo1]

I agree. the post with "hitler" is really stupid. I can't even understand how he can use this kind of comparison

Good thing he threw in the Windows Vista thing as another example of what he meant...

[Defunkt]

Whether or not OFPDR can live up to its name is a different matter.
To "it's" name ?! :confused:
You have to chuckle when the grammar police get it wrong. There's no possessive apostrophe in a "its". You only add one as a replacement for the elided 'i' in "it is". Lay off the ganga!

[Sennacherib]

at least one thing is nice: the lighting

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2460/3856453212_1383a33112_o.jpg

no white glowing

[MadDogX]

To "it's" name ?! :confused:

What Defunkt said.



Oh please don't treat OFPDR like something being original ... it's just a try of a copy of OFP, AA1 and AA2.

...

It was all done by BI: The idea, the game, the openess of the gameworld

....

Congratulations. You just took something I said as an afterthought and blew it completely out of proportion.

[Zipper5]

This game is going to be more realistic than ArmA 2.
Please show me something that proves that. FLIR is only 1 aspect, compared to ArmA II's 100+.

And no, flashlights on weapons is not "more realistic".

[JW Custom]

This game is going to be more realistic than ArmA 2.

LOL... if your buying OF-DR because of that you might get dissapointed :p

[cjsoques]

This thread has taken a sharp drop off into the deep end of stupidity...even for off-topic.

So the BIS forums have resorted into pooh throwing at both the game and community of the competitor?

I haven't read anything in the past 5 pages of any substance than pretty much what Student Pilot said a few pages back...

"OH NOES!11!!! LUKS WAT SOM1 SAYS IN CM FORUM!11!! THEY L1ES AND WE ROX AND THEY SUXXORS!111!!!!"

I know my leet speak is very bad, but that is pretty much what it sounded like for the past 5 pages...great image for the BIS community (/sarcasm intended).

I'll come back to this thread when this so-called mature community starts acting like one and has rational discussions.

[Sennacherib]

And no, flashlights on weapons is not "more realistic".

ofp:dr weapons have flashlights, and they works., it put here a vid the last week, where we can see them. :)

[Zipper5]

Of course I know the game has them. I'm not saying it doesn't. It's simply a gimmick, though. What I meant was, having them is not entirely "realistic". I have not seen many weapons in use around the world by USMC that have flashlights attached to them.

@<hidden>
That's not just it.

The only reason for the discussion becoming more heated is people, like Mudkip on the previous page, are saying that DR will be more realistic than ArmA II when clearly it won't to anyone who's actually played the game.

This discussion isn't that different from what it's like on the CM forums. Especially in the ArmA II thread. People there constantly "flung poo" at us as well when ArmA II was released.

Really, it's fans of BIS games, on the BIS forum, getting angry at Codemasters for dumbing down a game to which the original they are fans of. It's no different from when R6 or GR went down the drain.

[svendejong]

This thread has taken a sharp drop off into the deep end of stupidity...even for off-topic.

So the BIS forums have resorted into pooh throwing at both the game and community of the competitor?

I haven't read anything in the past 5 pages of any substance than pretty much what Student Pilot said a few pages back...

"OH NOES!11!!! LUKS WAT SOM1 SAYS IN CM FORUM!11!! THEY L1ES AND WE ROX AND THEY SUXXORS!111!!!!"

I know my leet speak is very bad, but that is pretty much what it sounded like for the past 5 pages...great image for the BIS community (/sarcasm intended).

I'll come back to this thread when this so-called mature community starts acting like one and has rational discussions.

quoted and signed

I love arma and am not really interested in ofpDR but this tread is pointless imho.

sven out

[cjsoques]

@<hidden>
That's not just it.

The only reason for the discussion becoming more heated is people, like Mudkip on the previous page, are saying that DR will be more realistic than ArmA II when clearly it won't to anyone who's actually played the game.

This discussion isn't that different from what it's like on the CM forums. Especially in the ArmA II thread. People there constantly "flung poo" at us as well when ArmA II was released.

Really, it's fans of BIS games, on the BIS forum, getting angry at Codemasters for dumbing down a game to which the original they are fans of. It's no different from when R6 or GR went down the drain.

...so let's just fling poo right back ehh?

Who really cares when you aren't even getting the game anyways.

People really need to get over the whining about a publisher taking the rights to a name away. It seems like BIS has gotten over it, why can't the community stop crying about it...I really don't care what the game is called.

OFP got PC Gamer, game of the year I believe and it had no previous legacy with it's name attached. The only reason ARMA1 or 2 did not receive the same claim and make a name for itself was because they really didn't revolutionize what was done since OFP, they just added onto it with flashy graphics and some newer features that new hardware could support, oh and the performance and bug problems didn't help.

Codemaster's can do whatever they want to make as many sales as possible...do you blame them? I think the game is going to be fun but it is watered down to the point that it should no longer be compared to ARMA any longer. No need to fling poo and get all immature, it's just business.

It is pretty clear we are now comparing apples to oranges and everyone should lighten up, play the demo for themselves, and not go ballistic when tout lies like "OFPDR will be more realistic than ARMA2". Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how off-base it is. You will have the demo (which is free by the way) to see for yourself

[Sennacherib]

What I meant was, having them is not entirely "realistic".

sorry, I misunderstood your sentence :p

[Zipper5]

I never said I wasn't going to buy the game. I'll try the demo, but if it's exactly what I think it is, then I won't buy it.

[Leopardi]

?

I clearly stated there has been an aurora of negativity for the very beginning by many people here, Walkers post was an example. Like i said the frustration comes from here, if you go back through this thread you'll many a retarded fanboys post, totally rubbishing DR, not at all giving it a chance. Retarded fanboys aren’t exclusive to CM im sorry.

Im not defending it, but my point is if less people had made their minds up before the first footage had come out (the game isn’t even out yet but it feels like it is here), then both communities would be in much better standing.

Less people are going to know about ARMA2 from whats been said here, and that’s a shame.

Polaris is just one stupid fanboy troll who refuses to accept that DR is absolutely nothing what it was supposed to be.

[MehMan]

This game is going to be more realistic than ArmA 2.

lurk moar

[Max Power]

"OH NOES!11!!! LUKS WAT SOM1 SAYS IN CM FORUM!11!! THEY L1ES AND WE ROX AND THEY SUXXORS!111!!!!"

I know my leet speak is very bad[...]

Indeed. Please never do that again.

[NodUnit]

Granted, but it's actually a sign of better mental health when you can't 'leetspeak' perfectly ;).

As for this thread, if you don't like the argueing and constant bickering going on I would simply suggest not to bother replying or speaking out against it.
After 260+ pages it has become clear that it cannot be stopped, it's like a section of a certain website on every Friday if you get my drift.

[cm]

This is a hilarious thread....

On that note, now that OFP: DR has become a bit more popular, I've noticed the "We want super realism" attitude in there has dropped significantly. It has become more "meh, <realistic feature> wasn't that important and doesn't matter to me".

[Maddmatt]

http://www.legionofspartans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4369
(This link was posted by Eble a couple pages back)

The screenshots there actually look pretty good, much better than previous ones.
They are probably from the PC version since they show higher resolution textures (still same low poly models though).
After seeing that I'd say the game actually has some pretty decent graphics. Still not showing the same level of detail as ArmA 2 (especially lower polygon count and lower object density). But it finally looks like an up-to-date game :)

Nice to see a Codemasters game finally demonstrate some more realistic looking textures and colours. I wonder if the community feedback encouraged this.

Smoke from the burning vehicles is looking very good, although the fire needs work.

I'm glad to see this since I'll be getting a new PC soon and I might get this game. Still concerned for the gameplay so I will approach with caution, but I'm starting to like what I see in the graphics.

Edit: Hmm, what happened to the noise filter? Gone I hope.

[jblackrupert]

If the community is so honest why are posts like this being made?

http://forums.bistudio.com/showpost.php?p=1408917&postcount=2346



Loved this "The number is less than the number of entities in Space Invaders"

Thats a good one

I was so siked for 2 military sims on the market even if one would be
slightly less hardcore.
I was hoping for hardcore with Arma II and it looks like we got it
and a I was hoping ofp2 would be at least trying to be like the original
but easier controls and less steep learning curve but the more I read
the more it looks likes it going to be COD4 meets Battlefield.

[Bush]

The screenshots there actually look pretty good, much better than previous ones.
They are probably from the PC version since they show higher resolution textures (still same low poly models though).
After seeing that I'd say the game actually has some pretty decent graphics. Still not showing the same level of detail as ArmA 2 (especially lower polygon count and lower object density). But it finally looks like an up-to-date game

Nice to see a Codemasters game finally demonstrate some more realistic looking textures and colours. I wonder if the community feedback encouraged this.

It still missing or has almost no normal/bump/parallax mapping. It just doesn’t look that "modern" in some areas that you expect from a game nowadays.

[Maddmatt]

It still missing or has almost no normal/bump/parallax mapping. It just doesn’t look that "modern" in some areas that you expect from a game nowadays.

Agreed. Still, it at least looks better than previous screenshots and footage, and I no longer think it looks 'bad'.
The main focus seems to be consoles anyway, and the consoles can't handle the level of detail that modern PC's can.

With the short time left until release, I don't think the release version will look any different.

[echo1]

I was hoping ofp2 would be at least trying to be like the original
but easier controls and less steep learning curve but the more I read
the more it looks likes it going to be COD4 meets Battlefield.

Both are pretty good games in their own right. I'm also wondering if the Co-Op mode on consoles will be like Conflict Desert Storm - I had some great co op games with that on a Nintendo Gamecube back in the day. It may be good fun, but definitely not a proper 'mil sim'

[ManDay]

I wonder what will happen to this thread once the game is released... :D The past 272 pages, really, are the product of sheer speculation. Where will you direct all your anger at once there is no more "academic speculation" on "will it be more or less realistic than ArmA2", "will the textures in the final version live up to the expectations" and "Feature ... is not in the game - or is it?!"? A thread on OFP3, may be? :D Come, join us at the Codemasters forums, we are one step ahead of you over there - having already started on a thread about Arrowhead and bashing the crap out of it! It's real fun, the genuine Operation Flashpoint Community is way better at that - 512 pages - we have successfully spread rumours that BIS employees are being sacrified for the triumph of Arrowhead already!

:D of course I'm just kidding

[MehMan]

I have an outstanding question on the CM forums - wasn't a hard one.

I just wanted confirmation player made content can be added to the game, either no one knows or someones not saying..

Game won't be as modable as first thought maybe.

found some interesting info while surfing about: - source : http://www.legionofspartans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4369








and

Hardware settings...


Oh please use spoiler tags instead of quote tags. Beyond that, it's hardly interesting, it's just settings.

[Zipper5]

Lol @<hidden> "Genuine OFP community"

Someone's just trying to start a flame war. :rolleyes:

[Deadfast]

Lol @<hidden> "Genuine OFP community"

Someone's just trying to start a flame war. :rolleyes:



:D of course I'm just kidding

Heh :p

[Zipper5]

Yeah, I saw that before I posted. Even so, many people won't.

[Hans Ludwig]

Our friend Viiiper is at it again.

I posted this screenshot because the thread titles says "shooting things out of the sky looks like crap" and he feels the need to delete post and remind us we aren't discussing what the OP started.

I guess you aren't allowed to criticize this game when a Helo's has posted in it?

http://i31.tinypic.com/2qk8ehe.png

http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376628

I'm from in-game footage of Helo that looks as if it's being downed by small arms fire.

http://i25.tinypic.com/2ak0nbn.png

[4 IN 1]

the only difference between we and them is that we use RPG and LAW to do the job, most of the time :)

the dev say that there is a sniper took out the pilot, but since at this distance in ofp and later arma its already kind of hard to do so, i wonder what makes it possible to do it in OFP:DR



It's a game, it's not a helicopter sim. it's a infantry combat sim.

If we were yo compare other game then you might have a case but they all generalize model destruction. It's the way games are made, the helicopter is a simple husk model (empty shell) it has no real interior nor does it have real moving mechanics driving the fake rotor, it's just a spinning (animated) object, there is no weight assigned to it like in a real flight sim. and even those are far and few between.

*insert any facepalming demotivator here*

[echo1]

At least the thought of a helicopter getting downed with an LMG is somewhat plausible if it was flying low enough, but didn't they say that the pilot was killed by a sniper?

[Deadfast]

You can't knock down trees with vehicles (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5562001&postcount=28).

No idea if you can actually damage them at all.


EDIT:
Some info from a Swiss preview (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5561807&postcount=1):

There is a Online Ranking system (highest rang: Brigade general), you dont get new features, you just see, how long did you play and some information about your skill
No clan features (like a Squad logo) at release, maybe after relase via DLC
Grenade explosion can divulse arms (hm, didn’t see that in my preview code)
There is a 3rd view spectator view within the MP mode (switch every 3 seconds from one soldiert to the next)
No custom skins or uniforms at release, maybe later after release via DLC
After disconnect in MP, the free slot will be filled out by AI. Then you have to wait until the mission end to rejoin
SpecOps AI has a better moral, so it’s harder to beat them
You have to install some local files to play on PS3

[Hans Ludwig]

At least the thought of a helicopter getting downed with an LMG is somewhat plausible if it was flying low enough, but didn't they say that the pilot was killed by a sniper?

I'm sure small arms fire can kill a pilot and crew, but the helo doesn't automatically blow up, rotors stop and crashes and slides down a hill like a soccer ball.

[echo1]

Hey, don't you know, they developed this game with the help of the Marines! It's obviously realistic!


No custom skins or uniforms at release, maybe later after release via DLC

So basically you have to pay for modding tools? That is, of course, if they actually bother to release them.

[4 IN 1]

I'm sure small arms fire can kill a pilot and crew, but the helo doesn't automatically blow up, rotors stop and crashes and slides down a hill like a soccer ball.
so what you are saying is that in DR the chopper would simply automatically blow up, rotors stop and crashes and slides down a hill like a piece of lead?:j:

[Hans Ludwig]

Damn BI for making a damn buggy game. If they did their stuff right, I'd be playing Arma2 as we speak and not looking for something (CODDR) to help me pass the time until Arma2 is patched up.


No custom skins or uniforms at release, maybe later after release via DLC

I think the custom skins that are being mentioned is the COD kiddies definition where you can have pink camo. and your clan's logo sprayed all over it.


so what you are saying is that in DR the chopper would simply automatically blow up, rotors stop and crashes and slides down a hill like a piece of lead?:j:

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic. Just watch the video that is on their site and watch what happens when the Mi8 is shot down, which is said to have been shot down by a well placed "sniper."

[4 IN 1]

Damn BI for making a damn buggy game. If they did their stuff right, I'd be playing Arma2 as we speak and not looking for something (CODDR) to help me pass the time until Arma2 is patched up.



I think the custom skins that are being mentioned is the COD kiddies definition where you can have pink camo. and your clan's logo sprayed all over it.



I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic. Just watch the video that is on their site and watch what happens when the Mi8 is shot down, which is said to have been shot down by a well placed "sniper."
no i just didnt bothered to watch those video and instead judge the game with the demo later

[Drongo69]

I can't say that the video of the OFP2 helo makes me wince anymore than vehicle behaviour from OFP through ArmA2. It's not like ArmA2 has armour combat appropriate to a modern "mil sim" game (no FCS, stupid hitpoint system). Judging from the attitude of Codemasters, I'd be very surprised if OFP2 does either.

As for the Codemaster's apparent focus on DLC instead of modding support (though I hope I am wrong on this point), this should guarantee that OFP2 will be a flash in the pan.

[4 IN 1]

BI are now trying to add some sort of "basic" basic FCS into ARMA2, as seen in the beta patch

[froggyluv]

BI are now trying to add some sort of "basic" basic FCS into ARMA2, as seen in the beta patch

FCS in latest patch!?!

I haven't been testing them but I do look at their change logs, haven't seen anything like that though.

[Fincuan]

FCS in latest patch!?!

It's been there since 1.0.

"Tab locking" a target(tested in M1A2 Tusk) enables ballistics calculations for that particular target. Not exactly a proper FCS, but at least a start.

[Barely-injured]

It's been there since 1.0.

"Tab locking" a target(tested in M1A2 Tusk) enables ballistics calculations for that particular target. Not exactly a proper FCS, but at least a start.

yes but now with the beta patch when you tab lock a target the sight automatically rises to the appropriate height for correct ballistic delivery or close to it. (you have to test with targets further than 1000m to verify)

like you said it is a nice start.

Back on topic.....

with the release date getting close shouldn't we be getting a demo some time soon ?

[Zipper5]

with the release date getting close shouldn't we be getting a demo some time soon ?
There's speculation that we won't even be getting one, due to Codemasters removing most, if not all statements about a demo for the game.

[Scrub]

Where will you direct all your anger at once there is no more "academic speculation"


I'm afraid the next MW or BF will have to bear the brunt full-on of our fiery damnation!! :D


we have successfully spread rumours that BIS employees are being sacrified for the triumph of Arrowhead already!

Umm.. I haven't seen a few of the front-line members lately. Dyslexci, HardRock, SickBoy, Trini Scourge. Did they get them too!?! I knew the invitiations to the preview in England were fishy...

Good post, made my day:)


Very big bummer on the demo info being removed. Hope it's because release is imminent

[froggyluv]

There's speculation that we won't even be getting one, due to Codemasters removing most, if not all statements about a demo for the game.

Thats fricken strange... I just looked thru the 1st ten pages and absolutely every 'Demo' thread is closed :confused:

There was a mention upon locking to use the one 'Demo' thread that is still open -must be deep!

[Defunkt]

I wonder what will happen to this thread once the game is released... :D The past 272 pages, really, are the product of sheer speculation.
I'm not anti-OFP:DR but the fact is the entire OFP:DR forums are nothing more than sheer speculation, the product of CodeMasters imparting nothing but sales pitch to anybody about anything.

[Max Power]

I think this thread is about reacting to whatever news we get. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

[ManDay]

I'm not anti-OFP:DR but the fact is the entire OFP:DR forums are nothing more than sheer speculation, the product of CodeMasters imparting nothing but sales pitch to anybody about anything.

":D" Firstly, your observation is not totally off but certainly not correct either. There is a lot of speculation on the Codemasters forums the main cause of which are threads like "Will ... be in the game?" by newcommers, admitted.
However, that's just one aspect of the whole and again, you, by your comment which just accounts for a specific part of an issue, very much portray the overall unobjective attitude of this thread and its posters.

Codemasters' OFP/DR forums, despite all the speculation which is inevitable on a forum of a not-yet-released game, serve as a place for feedback to the team developing the game, for suggestions and stating wishes, trading information about the game and, of course, small talk. Now, if this was a normal discussion with normally thinking people, I'd stop argueing here, but judging from the past 270+ pages, I reckon I wont be left alone, my post teared to flakes, rather, unless I literally quote some of the threads (mind, all from the first page of the GD section), which are "more than sheer speculation" (in contrary to the greater part of this thread):

Favorite Weapon / OFP-DR weapon
Your Most exciting list and least exciting list bout OPFDR
New Preview from Switzerland – a lot of new info !
HUD - tether indicator symbol/ circle, intrusive ?
what do you wanna drive or pilot most
shooting things out of the sky looks crap
What will you be playing as most..?

I think the difference to the direction this thread has is more than obvious

Second, I havn't visited the ArmA 2 Section - neither up to now, nor before ArmA 2 was released - but you may have. So I'm asking you: What are forums for an unreleased videogame usually like? I'm not much into videogames and online communities, but I've experienced two for the time being, and the Codemasters OFP/DR are, compared to the other, very much productive, active and community-driven.

[SaBrE_UK]

:bored:

Don't judge the whole forum- many of us have given valid criticism, and also valid praise to the new game whilst discussing it among ourselves.


Codemasters OFP/DR are, compared to the other, very much productive, active and community-driven. Not my experience at all.

[Hans Ludwig]

New website unleashed.

http://www.flashpointgame.com

[Zipper5]

Wow, that looks...

Like the generic FPS website. :butbut:

Pre-renders ftl.

[Hans Ludwig]

Wow, that looks...

Like the generic FPS website. :butbut:

Pre-renders ftl.

lol You are so right. I was expecting flashpointgame.com to be equal to or greater than Arma2's site in look and in content. =[

[cjsoques]

After disconnect in MP, the free slot will be filled out by AI. Then you have to wait until the mission end to rejoin

That is really pathetic, I thought BIS netcode was pretty clunky but at least you can drop-in and out replacing AI whenever you feel.

That is majorly taking a step backwards by not allowing jumping right into the game that will majorly hinder multiplayer and matchmaking.

OFPDR is looking to be like HAWX was...all the flight sim community was really exited for what was supposed to be a pretty hi-fidelity sim on the console but kept getting watered down to the point that AceCombat looked like a simulator compared to it.

I was really exited about this game but everyday both here and on the other forum I hear of another limitation and another new "feature" that reduces the quality of what the product was touted to be.

Still going to play the demo but I don't see how it is going to get me to buy it now if the previews are true.

[ricbar89]

Has anyone every actually put in their real age in an age-gate not just whats quickest to write?

[ManDay]

That is really pathetic, I thought BIS netcode was pretty clunky but at least you can drop-in and out replacing AI whenever you feel.

Where have you got this from? To my knowledge this applies to COOP-Mode not to generic MP. Please validate your source.

[Zipper5]

Where have you got this from? To my knowledge this applies to COOP-Mode not to generic MP. Please validate your source.
Have Codemasters even confirmed MP other than coop? I haven't seen it and/or can't remember it. Though I do remember the MP player limits, another weak area.


Has anyone every actually put in their real age in an age-gate not just whats quickest to write?
Nah, I don't. They're such a pointless requirement.