Would you like to see a WW2 Eastern Front Mod?

[=Spetsnaz=]

Hi, I am wondering if anyone came across any information or knows if there will be an WW2 Eastern Front Mod for ArmA 2? I know some WW2 Mod Teams are out there but they are mainly focusing only on Western Front ( I44 for Example ) ,I know Vila's had some models and weaponary based on Eastern Front.

I tried the Liberation War Mod for OFP and i am surprised by the shear amount of units,armor and aircraft there is.

Now i know there will be some WW2 Mods being worked on for ArmA2 but my main concern is the fact they will be more focused on the Western front / D-Day scenario.

However i am deciding on whether to start learning and maybe creating a mod for the Eastern Front myself, but the problem is i am a newbie in making models/reskins, or whatever it is with ArmA/ArmA 2 modding. Maybe if can get the right direction on where to start, or some advice and information about creating mods, i could learn and then maybe start working on such a mod. One of my friends from NZARMA says it took him a year to fully understand how to skin and model.

I am really new to this sort of thing, but i myself would like to see an Eastern Front WW2 mod for ArmA 2, but from what it looks like i didn't see any for ArmA 1 exactly, and i don't think there probably will be on for ArmA 2 either, i know there were a few for OFP but the mod developer team for liberation war mod for example hasn't been active i suppose.

Any Suggestions? Opinions? Advice?

[Fintroll]

Personally, i dont care for anything ww2, because there has been so many games / mods about it. Besides i like more modern warfare.

[Sulu]

WW2 has been done to death! Gimme a mod on an interesting war instead, there are many to choose from throughout history. How about a Sri Lanka mod? Play as part of the government forces to crush the rebellion as in real life or be the Tamils and try to change history.

[RUDOLF]

Of course, cant wait for long. So just refer to some WIP screenshoots here

http://forum.armedassault.info/index.php?showtopic=3606&st=60&gopid=64973&#entry64973

Yeah, seems lots of other games have used such topic and scenario regarding WW2, and none of them really do a nice job about it. Still expecting for some great job about it.

[=Spetsnaz=]

I know some of you may dislike the WW2 aspect and yes it has been overdone, but seeing the eastern front scenario in ArmA 2 for me would be amazing, with alot of vehicles, weaponary, units would be sweet. I am a WW2 Fanatic, i love reading books,watching movies and playing games involving the WW2 scenario. But anyhow its something i would be interested in, but then if i directed to another conflict i would probably have less interest in it.

Hmm..

[Binkowski]

Eastern front hell yes. Western front, not so much.

[Blitzbomber]

OH GOD PLEASE! Been waiting for something like this since the game came out! Anything WWII is good for me.

[hamis]

Yes,we want to see that kind of mod with very long campaign.:D

[DJH]

Definitely want an Eastern Front mod, 'graveyard of the Wehrmacht' and all that.

I disagree that 'WW2 has been done to death', though there has been a narrow focus, largely on the Western front, with the Eastern front basically being Stalingrad and the capture of the Reichstag.... It'd be nice to be able to simulate the battles in the thousands and thousands of villages of Eastern Europe and Germany that were fought over too!

[Blitzbomber]

Is there anyone else besides me that feels that there should be a german campaign aswell? I think that would be really cool.

[Alpha-Kilo]

Blitzbomber, sounds good, but this would mean German language in-game. Is this possible?

By the way, I voted "I don't know" because what makes a mission or campaign interesting is the story and the gameplay. If the rectangular window through which the tank driver sees the world is said to belong to a Tiger or to Leopard does not make a difference to me.

[DJH]

I see what you mean alpha-kilo, but its always nicer to blow something up when its covered in swastikas.

At the same time, there's something undeniably cool about the sinister factor of Waffen SS, etc. That's why all the WW2 re-enactment people are always struggling to find people to be Brits, Russians, US, etc. even normal Wehrmacht, everybody sees the Hugo Boss and goes crazy for it!

[])rStrangelove]

Plz no more WW2 Stalingrad etc, those were the most boring levels in CoD5 imo.

Why not try something really new? WHAT-IF scenarios would be cool.

Operation Sealion - WHAT-IF the RoyalAirForce would've failed and the Germans would've tried to land on the english coastline?

Now that would be an interesting scenario. :)

[DJH]

See how fighting them on the beaches would've gone? I like it...
But Eastern front doesn't equal Stalingrad, check out the maps here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II) for how much ground was covered!

[hamis]

the RoyalAirForce would've failed and the Germans would've tried to land on the english coastline?
Germans just stopped couple of weeks too soon,after that raf would've been done.Interesting scenario,i agree.For me it's much nicer to blow up something with white star on it.:D

[belgerot]

I say yes. Eastern Front had an atmosphere all its own, and it'd be a shame to waste the idea given that the current atmosphere in the game is more than fitting.

[KidDynamite]

I vote "Yes", of course ;)

Would be really, really nice to play WW II in ArmA²,especially Eastern Front !

[Von Rundstedt]

FWW2 mod makes eastern front, but not quite on terms that general main stream thinks :p
It would be really nice to see some properly done eastern front mod for ArmA2.

[belgerot]

It's good to know there will be quality Soviet soldiers then, Von Rundstedt :)

I don't know if my computer could handle something like the clashes at Prochorowka during Operation Citadel, but I would love seeing the countryside and dirt roads leading through small villages. Even if it were on a small scale I would be happy to have something.

[Von Rundstedt]

I would love seeing the countryside and dirt roads leading through small villages. Even if it were on a small scale I would be happy to have something.
I agree there defianently need to avoid "Battle of Endor"-syndrome on this. Small village fights or skirmishes in country side, no Stalingrad, Moscow, Oder-river, Berlin etc. stuff, those we can play in CODs

[Blitzbomber]

I sort of diesagree with how some people are saying that they shouldn't make the famous large scale battles as they have been overdone. My opinion is if they can do it while taking advantage of all the game's features and capabilities, it will become something much more interesting than CoD5. Small village skirmishes are great but be sure to throw in some large battles as well.

One thing that I feel simply must be done with an ArmA2 easten front mod is the battle of kursk. The largest tank battle in history. I would love to see that attempted and i feel that this is one of the only games that can pull it off.

I also love the idea of the what-if campaign. The idea above (germans invading england) is great. What about also if the Japanese hadn't attcked Pearl Harbor and the Americans hadn't entered the war?

One last thing that I think would be great is some 1946 scenarios. What if the germans had held the allies off long enough to complete some of they're very ambitious projects? Things like the Maus (Panzer VIII) tank, guided missles, supersonic jetfighters and other things.

[belgerot]

That's the beauty of the setting, the vastness of the plains would provide a perfect venue for a battle such as large as the Kursk offensive, or an element of it.

[KidDynamite]

I'm thinking of in wich part of the eastern front the mod will be placed?

Heeresgruppe Nord, Mitte, Süd?
Which Date? the invasion or the bloody retreat?

I prefer the walk of the Heeresgruppe nord, to Leningrad, the demyansk pocket, going back to kurland...

[JdB]

I'm thinking of in wich part of the eastern front the mod will be placed?

Heeresgruppe Nord, Mitte, Süd?
Which Date? the invasion or the bloody retreat?

I prefer the walk of the Heeresgruppe nord, to Leningrad, the demyansk pocket, going back to kurland...

Hehe. Might as well have made a poll with both options being "Yes", since I've never seen people turn down the opportunity of getting a free mod :p

I would personally be most interested in an early-war scenario, since it hasn't really been done in first person perspective before (most games that do start with Stalingrad). Armygroup North sounds interesting.

[BeerHunter]

You guys never heard of Red Orchestra (Germans vs Russians on the eastern front) :eek:

You gotta try driving a Panzer through a Russian artillery barrage :) or taking command and laying down a barrage yourself.

Bolt action rifles (some SMG's and auto's as well) , trajectories and ballistics. One of the first games (way back when it was a mod) to incorporate these.

And now they're working on "Siege of Stalingrad" (RO 2??) with the newer engine.

So...don't think ArmA2 needs a WWII mod because it can't offer more than what's already out there...:j:

[belgerot]

Red Orchestra has it's advantages and it's disadvantages, I've played the game for a while and I'm fairly impressed with it but there's nothing that quenches the thirst for a true simulator like what BIS titles offer.

I'd prefer Heeresgruppe Mitte before it was renamed to Nord in Jan.1945, particularly from years 1943-1945.

[Albert Schweitzer]

I wonder why noone did a campaign about the Monte Cassino yet, even though it provides a spectacular setting for story telling. And that even with in historical context. All you would need is one map with a tremendous hill and a nearby village. Also, if playing a german soldier it a high kill ratio wouldnt be so absurd given the territorial advantages.

[UNN]

It'd be a shame to waste the idea given that the current atmosphere in the game is more than fitting.

I have exactly the same thought every time I play Arma2 online.

Eastern front gets my vote, worlds were won and lost.

[kklownboy]

Kursk till it bleeds.
Waiting for the good ARMA1 ww2 wip is brought over.

[RUDOLF]

East or West front, it doesn't matter really to me, any WW2 scenario would be interesting thing personally. Only important thing is to have nice addons or Mods for such WW2 battles in ARMA2.




I agree there defianently need to avoid "Battle of Endor"-syndrome on this. Small village fights or skirmishes in country side, no Stalingrad, Moscow, Oder-river, Berlin etc. stuff, those we can play in CODs

Yes, maybe a village encounter fight would be enough for game. I think no FPS games could give a full scene for the battles such as Moscow, Stalingrad or Oder-river. But a village fight could be taken as a part of such large campaign. You know, actually any large battle in real is consisted of lots of small fights. Starlinggrad was not done just by one fight.
In addition, I think we at least could have platoons or half company fighting scale in ARMA2 and also include some additional armor units. In ARMA1 it could reach one company of troops on each side. Now in ARMA2, it would be around half of the units in the same PC settings. But in game, you only would play a soldier so such scale should be enough and may be useless to have a very large amount of units if you were killed from the beginning in game.

[Monkwarrior]

So...don't think ArmA2 needs a WWII mod because it can't offer more than what's already out there...:j:
I was part of the RO modteam back then and I can assure you the RO-engine and the arma-engine are miles apart.
These differences are so huge, it's like comparing two totaly different games.

Right now our modteam has joined the I44 team to make sure that all tanks produced are as close to reality as possible within the current game-limits. I highly doubt that even the new Unreal3 engine can achieve what has been done on the arma2 engine allready.

So yes I would like to see a ww2 eastern front mod. We might even provide some tanks for that in the future, who knows.

Monk.

[Blueteamguy]

Note, the T34/85 is already in game so a simple reskin will save you a HELL of a lot of time

[James McKenzie-Smith]

I would like see it, for sure, with the period from summer '43-summer '44 being my main are of interest. Of course, maps, equipment, troops, and any other mods from anywhere from June 22, '41 to the fall of Berlin would be fine by me.

As far as realism goes, I am actually pretty flexible on that. While I like and encourage realism, I would also not mind playing out the hundreds of Tiger tanks at Prokhorovka of legend as well as the mere handful of Tigers at Prokhorovka of reality, and generally have a simulation of a Leo Kessler or Sven Hassel novel as much as a simulation of what actually happened.

As far as WW2 being done to death goes...well, the Eastern front less so than the Western theatre, and even less so in a game that allows for command of large units and first person play at the same time.

[Soldier of Anarchy]

This is why I always buy sim games over flavor of the moment games like CoD....MoH...CoH. People complain about WW2 being overdone because they play games that are more like movies than war simulators....you can only watch the same movie so many times befor you wanna puke.


When a game makes me wanna crawl into my own arse to escape the bullets, I know I'm playing a good game :) And OFP cwc-res/ARMA/ARMA2 has always filled that need.. Unlike a CoD where I see a buddy get mowed down only to stand up and shake it off.

A WW2 mod in ARMA2 will be welcomed with open arms. For me , you don't even need a full mod ,just some addons/tanks and such is good enough...not all of us need a full campaign and units with the correct insignias.

Some of us can make our own fun, we just need to toy's to do it.:D

[Odjob]

A WW2 mod would fit perfectly in Arma2, there is no hi-tec weapon systems such as flir, laser range finders, guided missiles, nvg and all that stuff to simulate. Just basic eyeball and ironsights. It would be cool if you could disable the stabilized gun in tanks as well so you have to stop to shoot properly.

Yup im all for a WW2 mod eastern or/and western theater :bounce3:

[bravo 6]

WW2 style does not excite me nor inspires me very much.

Though every addon is a good addon.

[Mandoble]

43~44 eastern front would be, by far, my preferred escenario for any military game (including flight sims). I fully support this idea for ArmA2, while I don't know how good is A2 modeling correct ballistics, armour plates, armour penetration and damages required for a reallistic tank battle.

[laggy]

Yes !!!

That's where the outcome of the war was settled.

Mud/Winter and harsh conditions, please.
Many civilian, house and object models can be used from the original game as well.
Not too many new models needed in my opinion, mainly infantry, armor and maybe planes.
Would be great with a German side conversation system, if possible.
Also, putting a lot of effort into the terrain/island would be the key to success, I think.
Nothing beats amazing terrain, like Chernarus for example.

Laggy

[KidDynamite]

jap,
43~44 , is also my favourite time window of the eastern front.

and yes, chernarus is the perfect landscape for a ww2 eastern scenario.

I really hope that there will come something...:o

[overk1ll]

I am definitely all for this, especially the Eastern Front scenario. I too am bored of WW2 games, but I think the Arma 2 engine would really bring this to life and give us a whole new side that most games cannot. Imagine starting out as a lowly tank commander and slowly working your way up as the war goes on around you.

[UNN]

I think modelling an armour penetration system is possible (http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=82879). At least comparable to RO if not SB. Not saying it's undemanding of the engine, just possible.

[Trauma.au]

I can play WWII for ever if it's well executed.

[LugNut]

WW2 scenarios are my primary interest, modern warfare and the high tech platforms aren't my thing. I'm like Odjob, I'm an iron sights kind of guy. :D I think ARMA2 and a decent WW2 mod would keep me happy for a loooong time.

[Soldier of Anarchy]

Is Bigfoot still around? He made a massive Russian and Hungarian pack for OFP back in the day. That pack had the most armor,guns,troops,cars, I've seen come from 1 person.


OFP had tons of WW2 stuff that I think would look just fine in ARMA2.....some could use a texture update here and there....but the majortity would work for us WW2 starved gamers.....must start tracking down the addon makers!

My OFP WW2 folder has 1.15 gigs with 2 extra folders in reserve for addons to big for the main.

[Blueteamguy]

If theres gonna be a ww2 eastern front mod, be sure to have the possible dates go all the way back to, say, 1939 or 1940, as that's when ww2 actually started, as the re-arming of germany doesn't count.

BTW, if you remove the scope on the CZ550 (the huntingrifle) it will make a great basic bolt-action weapon.

[belgerot]

Is Bigfoot still around? He made a massive Russian and Hungarian pack for OFP back in the day. That pack had the most armor,guns,troops,cars, I've seen come from 1 person.


OFP had tons of WW2 stuff that I think would look just fine in ARMA2.....some could use a texture update here and there....but the majortity would work for us WW2 starved gamers.....must start tracking down the addon makers!

My OFP WW2 folder has 1.15 gigs with 2 extra folders in reserve for addons to big for the main.


Those were the days!

[Günter Severloh]

Already have an Eastern Front mod.

A unit that i was a part of called the Großdeutschland, is a historcal Realism Unit. 1.SS 'Leibstandarte' which is the same guys play red orchestra and Darkest Hour.

The Großdeutschland part of the unit plays Arma2, armed assault when i was with them. In teh Arma2 unit they have a guy that i have known since the OFP days and Im sure that some of you might recognize his name, he did alot of modding for Liberation mod 1941-45 for OFP his name is TRoc.

He has created a WW2 Ostfront mod for the GD unit, as well as one for the armed assault which we dont play any more.

The mod is private for now, not sure if Troc will let the mod go beyond the unit, im telling you guys this because i have this mod, and no i will not give u a link, as TRoc has made the mod and it his mod, you will have to contact him if you want the mod.

The mod is a WIP or work in progress, the guys in the GD unit know their WW2 German history very well, and take it rather seriously if something in the game were not historically accurate, i should know as I made missions for the GD unit back when it was playin armed assault.

I can tell you what the mod does have currently whats been completed and what is being worked on atm.

What the mod does have is:

Germany
German armored captured
* German captured t34m42 1 and 2

German static
* Pak 40
* other statics under the warfare buildings as well

German Armored
* Panther ausf A (7 variations)
* Pz4 H (4 variations)
* Pz4 J (4 variations)
* Tiger (6 variations)
* Tiger 1 (1 variation)

Axis Panzer crew
* Heer crew(4 crew)
* SS crew (4 crew)

Axis half tracks
* Sdkf 251 D (5 variations)

Axis Soldiers
* 13 Heer Types soldier -k98,mp40,mp44,marksmen,mg42 , ect.,
* 24 Waffen SS type soldiers

Under groups in the editor
* 6 types of squads to pick from Heer, and SS units
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Russia
Russian Armored
* Kv1 (2 variations)
* T34/85 (6 variations)
* T34m42 (8 variations)

* Tank crew-x2

Russian Soldiers
* 24 types of Russian soldiers

Under groups in the editor
* 3 types of squads to pick from russian units
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Yes the axis is worked on more as the unit represents a German unit.

Currently the Stug variations are being worked on, the models are almost complete.
. a new sound overall for the mod.
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what the mod is:
it is a compilation of WW2 addons created together, and can be found in the editor.

what the mod is not:
not a mod per se as it does not have a menu, or missions, or anything that a full mod would have, that is up to TRoc to decide and where the unit wishes to go with the mod.

All that i know is with the units knowledge they are working on varies aspects of tanks that have things that the game dont have, attention to historical detail is their upmost prioirty, correct uniforms, corrct, structure, and decals on teh tanks and soldiers.
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I do not speak on behalf of TRoc.

What the GD unit is looking for is more panzercrewman, and members that can create missions.

If you are interested in historical realism and can make missions for Arma2, and would like to get your hands on this mod and possibly help further the mod out then contact Wolff at this website address:


1.SS 'Leibstandarte' / Großdeutschland

http://www.panzergrenadiers.com/forum/index.php
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Me? Who am I, I am a Unit leader for the Historical Realism Unit Grenadier-Regiment 187, known as the 187th. est March 2007
I lead a unit in the pc game Red Orchestra and the mod known as Darkest Hour all WW2.

Red Orchestra is the Ostfront or Eastern front part of the war.
Darkest Hour Mod is the western front 1944 part of the war

we have a couple of videos on Red orchestra if you have never heard of it. but the game is all realistic ballistics, and iron sites, look i up, RO2 is in the works!

1.SS 'Leibstandarte' / Großdeutschland
are allies with us for Red Orchestra/Darkest Hour

come check us out at:
http://187th.net
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Gunter

[Aria]

I'd really like to see the stuff that was done in Liberation 1941-45 be done for Arma II. I was extremly impressed with that mod back when it came out for ofp.

It had alot of vehicles and weaponry that you didn't see in other games or mods. The T-26 and BT-7's for example.

In short I've seen WWII games and mods since forever, but good mods and games are different then just WWII mods and games. So in short I'd like to see WWII mods that are good because now everything seems to be taking a modern warfare turn and personally that's going to start boring me at some point.

[hamis]

Hauptmann Severloh,you must talk TRoc over to release this "mod"!:D

[T_Roc]

Yes there are an Eastfront mod in the works where the first part of it is in beta stage.
There haven't been any news of it yet as i don't like to hype things up.

but here is an small preiwew of the stug.

http://www.3dmodell.se/Bild/stug2.jpg

[Günter Severloh]

There u go, the master speaks, TRoc will decide if it goes out or not.

anyways, i myself am awaiting the greatness of his mod to unfold even more like it was done for liberation 41-45.

[Relemar]

no ffs ww2 sucks, we bought arma to get away from it.

[GI-JOE]

Hey seems nice TRoc :)

[jojimbo]

Of course, cant wait for long. So just refer to some WIP screenshoots here

http://forum.armedassault.info/index.php?showtopic=3606&st=60&gopid=64973&#entry64973

Yeah, seems lots of other games have used such topic and scenario regarding WW2, and none of them really do a nice job about it. Still expecting for some great job about it.

i would love to see an east front mod for ww2,but in those ww2 pics,OFPCAT has ripped I44 models from operation flashpoint,it's mostly NOT vilas work.

[T_Roc]

Hmm intressting jojimbo what exactly is you claming is stolen from ofp i44?

[Günter Severloh]

I can vouch for TRoc, He does his own work, the lib mod tanks that he added to the mod "outside" of the mod team was his work, i'd swear he got more tanks and stuff in the mod then the mod team themselves.

For arma 2 all his stuff was created by him, I think it would be easy to rip something then cough it up in no time, but i think Troc has a system down and knows how to model well enough to make his own thing.

if you look at all the ww2 games that have come out since medal of honor games, most of the games revolve around the west front or itlay, and partiall north africa.

The little east front you see as in call of duty, faces of war, and some other games is not enough to satisfy the massive scale that the Ostfront has to offer.

Not to knock I44 mod and Im all for it, and I'd play it anyday of the week, but i think DDAY is so overplayed. Ostfront brings another part of teh war we really havent seen a whole lot, Id like to add the finnish war into that spectrum to as we have never seen anything other than the Finmod for OFP.

lot of people will say WW2 in general is so over played, so my answer to that is then dont play it, if you dont like WW2 then ignore it, move on.
Nothing like dumb kids complaining about more WW2 when theres plenty of games out there they can go play.

I'd like to play an sandbox openeded WW2 simulated Wargame, 1st, and 3rd, with the terrain, buildings, destructable kind of like faces of war but on a larger scale.

enough said

[sparks50]

Any war, in any period, done right, in the Arma engine, is interesting for me.

There has been many WW2 games over the years, but none with the freedom of BIs engine.(god I sound like a fanboy now).
And yes, I have played WW2 online and Red Orchestra. Great games both of them.

[JdB]

Not to knock I44 mod and Im all for it, and I'd play it anyday of the week, but i think DDAY is so overplayed.

Good thing we won't be continuing on that for much longer then ;) (more information to follow in a little while)

As far as these "OFP ports" go, I don't see any connection with T_Roc, Jojimbo only put it in here because "Rudolf/OFPCAT" put "his" work in here too. To prevent any further cluttering of the thread, I'll use PM instead to send a comparison picture.

[HappyBrit]

It would be absolutly amazing, where would the map be? Kursk?

[Soldier of Anarchy]

Sorry to ask this , did T_ROC make the IS Stalin from OFP, the one that had extras, like russians yelling HUYAAAAA after firing the main gun? I remember his wonderful german armor packs. Just trying to piece together what came from who.....I downloaded all of this some time ago :)

I'm glad both ARMA & ARMA2 will have the chance at WW2 mods. People have to understand ,BIS's approach to war simulation is unique, it's not the run of the mill crap most videogame companies put out. This allows for totally new ways in playing war games/simulations from different periods.....hell, any period.

To simply right off any BIS engine WW2 mod as (OH NO! NOT ANOTHER WW2 GAME!) would be a mistake.


Thanks to all the people who toil for our enjoyment.




And yes, I'm hitting the vodka hard tonight....thank jebus for spell check ;)

[hamis]

Id like to add the finnish war into that spectrum to as we have never seen anything other than the Finmod for OFP.
Well,there is FDF mod for arma,though much smaller.And there is FWW2 - Finland At War 1939-1945 under development.Also FDF mod is coming for arma2 some day.But of course ,more mods is always the better.;)

[T_Roc]

The bigest problem right now for an release of my mod is the lack of an example soldier for to create an working one in game.
For the time being i using modified vilas in game but htis will change when we get something to work with.

[hamis]

Maybe you could ask above mentioned finns if they want to exchange some stuff with your mod?

[RUDOLF]

What I've been expecting from OFP time is that BIS could make something for WW2 scenario. Now if any patch for it could be done from them in the quality of ARMA2, you guys could imagine what it will mean for us... Oh,maybe just a dream only.

[th3flyboy]

short answer, yes
long answer: oh yes!

[NeMeSiS]

I would love to see a big Stalingrad.

[belgerot]

I don't know if BIS would take something like this into consideration, but it would be something new to see from them. Kind of like when FDF surprised everyone with their WWII expansion back in OFP.

[Avgeris]

i personally vote no unless we have a chance to play the Nazis. Its got boring from all that games through the years. We never had the chance to play the germans...

[Booga]

i personally vote no unless we have a chance to play the Nazis. Its got boring from all that games through the years. We never had the chance to play the germans...

Because at the end of the day they lost, and no one wants to lose a game because of history :P However I would also like to play as ze Germans, I finally got to play as the British/Common Wealth in BF2's mod Forgotten Hope 2. So why not the Germans this time :)

[Murklor]

i personally vote no unless we have a chance to play the Nazis. Its got boring from all that games through the years. We never had the chance to play the germans...
Uhm... I seriously fail to see why a WW2 eastern front mod wouldnt allow you to play Germans, it would be so stupendously retarded it'd be beyond belief.

Obviously you're going to be able to play Germans or Russians... That's the whole point of an eastern scenario. Whether both sides has a campaign or something is of course a whole other matter.

[topas]

Voted 'I don't know' because it's hard not to think what has been written already...The theme itself seems a bit overdone etc..

But as DJH wisely mentioned -> the focus has been to narrow so far; unlike the eastern front.. It has not been given enough credit in any of the games; [well, Red Orchestra was a kind of exception]

If such mod shall be considered an interesting one it would need to cover:
a what if scenario:
or,
a less known part of the fightings... Maybe introduce a new faction for variety? - Yougoslavian or Polish underground or for example the Polish Army fighting in the East (http://www.ww2.pl/Polish,Army,on,the,Eastern,Front,24.html), which was the greatest regular military force fighting at the side of the Red Army and advanced alongside them for 1000 kilometers all way to Berlin ;)




I have plans and have already kind of started to recreate some units from that period - the one below is based on a 1960's TVseries :P
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1764/rudyz.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/i/rudyz.jpg/)
but is no way different from RL units as shown here (http://www.gerardpas.com/gallery/t34t4ty/t34b500.jpg) or here (http://www.kinol.nekla.pl/cytadela/photos/photo9.jpg)

[Avgeris]

Uhm... I seriously fail to see why a WW2 eastern front mod wouldnt allow you to play Germans, it would be so stupendously retarded it'd be beyond belief.

Obviously you're going to be able to play Germans or Russians... That's the whole point of an eastern scenario. Whether both sides has a campaign or something is of course a whole other matter.

hum, because of the stupid anti-nazi fear spread in all the media?

[Murklor]

hum, because of the stupid anti-nazi fear spread in all the media?
What "anti-nazi fear"? I havent seen any of this in games.

[belgerot]

Very nice to see Topas, I didn't think I would see 'Rudy' ever in a BIS game :yay:
I am guessing you are focusing mainly on the Polish Army in the East? It will be interesting to have an army other than the Soviets available on that side.
What I'm most interested in seeing is partisans from that region.

Who cares about the media, as if they don't distort things enough :p

[SiC-Disaster]

i personally vote no unless we have a chance to play the Nazis. Its got boring from all that games through the years. We never had the chance to play the germans...

Nazis? Most German soldiers were no nazis, and it's demeaning to say so.
Anyways, you would like Red Orchestra: Heroes of Stalingrad i suppose, you get to play as the German Army in a single player campaign there.

[hamis]

Nazis? Most German soldiers were no nazis, and it's demeaning to say so.
I'll second that.I'm sick of ww2 germans always called n*zis!

[KidDynamite]

Just hoping that the Modder's, if there will be a Mod, ar not focused @<hidden> SS or so.
Would prefer regular Wehrmacht Units.



Nazis? Most German soldiers were no nazis, and it's demeaning to say so.

Jap, that's true. My Grandpa just served for his Country. Not more, not less.
don't forget that there was no perfect media like we use today. they just had no clue!

-sry for my bad english.

[ProfTournesol]

Jap, that's true. My Grandpa just served for his Country. Not more, not less.
don't forget that there was no perfect media like we use today. they just had no clue!
-sry for my bad english.

No clue, i don't know, no choice, that's for sure.

[topas]

C'mon guys... No clue...

I'll try to think about it next time I see one of the nice stoneboards here... Which won't be hard as there is no exageration in saying that, as many houses we have here in Warsaw, as many streetcorners and backyards...almost each has one of these;

http://a.imagehost.org/t/0184/prze2.jpg (http://a.imagehost.org/view/0184/prze2)

with a simple inscription->


"This place is sacred by blood.
On this spot on german soldiers murdered [**] civilians"

Pick date of your choosing ranging between 1939-1944 -> there's plenty to choose from for each day of the 6years of occupation
[**] Put a number ranging from 10 to up to 500 at one time

Or when I stumble over one of the thousands of mass graves like this one while strawing through the woods..

I'll try to figure out who kept doing this for 6 long years? I suppose the nasty SS was at it, while the remaining 99% of the innocent Wehrmacht guys had simply no clue serving their country across Europe.....Turns out that the whole nation was fine, and the only Nazi who managed to mislead them was Hitler..

No offence meant for the ancestors of anyone here and such, but I just get the same emotional reaction when reading stuff like that... sorry... for the same reason no interest in playing a character with a Hakenkreuz on his shoulder...

No more no less

No explicit materials, please. See the rules. -- Franze

[belgerot]

If you don't mean to offend anyone then why bring it up in such a way? :mad:

At this point today, with the glorious progress of democracy in the West, we cannot even imagine the sort of conditions present then immediately after the first World War up until outbreak again in 1939. Books come close but words are only words, who not living then could imagine what it was like?

[sparks50]

Theres no reason to bring politics into it. You should be playing the game for the history, tactical situations, teamwork and fun.

I'm interested in history from any side of any war, irregardless how unpopular the part of history is in present time.
WW2 is an awful long time ago, I bet nobody reading this thread was even borne at the time. Looking forward to Red Orchestra.

[echo1]

EDIT: Ignore, misread thread title.

[RUDOLF]

Agree with it. Just talking about game itself.
Personally, Eastern or Western all are okay. If could have both, would be teriffic!

[kidnapster]

im looking forward to a WWII mod that delivers. in the operation flashpoint days thats all i played! ARMA2 WWII will definitely be a great addition in the mod community.

[Monkwarrior]

The i44 team is switching to arma2 too.
We will deliver a rock-solid MP experience with more detailed and more realistic tanks.

More news later.

Greetingz, Monk.

[Monkwarrior]

Oh and for I forget.
In the sovjet union they are producing mighty material too:
http://arma.at.ua/load/liberation_1941_1945_intervju_s_razrabotchikami/51-1-0-863

Monk.

[Murklor]

The i44 team is switching to arma2 too.
We will deliver a rock-solid MP experience with more detailed and more realistic tanks.

More news later.

Greetingz, Monk.
Fantastic!

A little wishfull thinking though... Can you please release a "proof of concept"? It doesnt need to be much, a couple of tanks, a couple of infantry, maybe a plane or two and that's it... I'm getting sick and tired of mods hogging their work for like years, releasing nothing but fancy renders and when they do everyone has forgotten what game it was about. It should involve the community... If I want to look at pretty pictures I got pr0n for that.

[Monkwarrior]

I do agree there, but we are showing progress now and then on our website.
http://invasion1944.info/

We prefer to show content when it's done ;)

Monk.

[T_Roc]

We prefer to show content when it's done ;)

Monk.

The same for me!

[Von Rundstedt]

I concur

[hamis]

The i44 team is switching to arma2 too.
We will deliver a rock-solid MP experience with more detailed and more realistic tanks.
Please,include SP too,everyone's not into MP.

[JdB]

Please,include SP too,everyone's not into MP.

It will be playable in SP as well (and if not specifically tailored to SP, every MP mission is playable in SP, if you start a local server with only you on it).

And that's all for now.

[RUDOLF]

"Oh and for I forget.
In the sovjet union they are producing mighty material too:
http://arma.at.ua/load/liberation_19...ami/51-1-0-863

Monk."


Just refer to your website. Really well done to those shown progress and sure the Mod would be the best for eastern front when they're released. Just a pity, I couldn't read russian at the website.

[hamis]

Well,your link returns "404 not found".:eek:

[nettrucker]

Hi there

would like to see some Winter maps in case possible. Always loved the winter scenarious in OFP.:D
regards
nettrucker

[LJF]

Would you like to see an Eastern Front Mod?

The words "f*** yes!" come to mind ;)

[KidDynamite]

Hi @<hidden> all,

just wanna say that i really, really hope that the WWII modding teams work just a little bit together. so that there will be not 3 version's of a Panzer VI or so, you know what i mean? ;)

Greetz,

Kid

[ProfTournesol]

Hi @<hidden> all,

just wanna say that i really, really hope that the WWII modding teams work just a little bit together. so that there will be not 3 version's of a Panzer VI or so, you know what i mean? ;)

Greetz,

Kid

Well, that's a kind of tradition since OFP ;). But we're used to it !

[T_Roc]

I would agree with ProfTournesol there have been several atempts to co-op with other mods but i think almost all have ended in dissaster.
So there will be an pz3 from all mods and so on.

[BobbySixkiller]

Hell yeah! Personally I'm a bit bored to all allies vs. germans stuff that has been done in millions of games and mods already. Eastern front is more fresh subject. Largest theatre of war in history deserve more games/mods. I've been waiting for this since Arma1, I even still play ofp for eastern front :) Multiplayer sounds intresting also.

[belgerot]

That's the real shame of it but so long as progress is being made..

[BigMorgan]

I'd like to see all theaters covered.

You know what would be epic? An historically-accurate Burma campaign. Jungle fighting, no armor, paratroopers... oh yeah.

[Achilles1]

Sorry for resurecting an old thread but i found no meaning to start one for my self.
I would absolutely disagree with the "ww2 has been done to death"
Not at all, Normandy from the american point of view has been done to death but not ww2 , there is a huge , the greatest campaign the world had ever seen , operation barbarossa and generally the eastern front that was neglected or done in fps from the soviet point of view. It didnt covered the immense scope of that campaign, and the mods i have played in eg bf2 like the forgotten hope were the only generous propositions , i cannot think of full games that covered it sufficiently.
Besides i hate modern warfare ,playing as the Americans all the time , cause i neither like the modern scope of warfare (well what Afganistan....) and i dont like the American or Natoic armies. And as i have said the wars that can get involved in historically are ludicrous in scope ans scale in comparison with ww2.

[T_Roc]

http://www.3dmodell.se/pics/pic.jpg