ARMA2 & OA's Steam Thread: All Steam Q's/discussions go here [covered by Dwarden]

[Gimpymoo]

Can anyone please confirm if the UK STEAM release date may change from the 30th to the 19th as to match the retail date?

I have pre-ordered yet I am having to wait nearly 2 weeks longer than my friends who have pre-ordered Retail and even longer still for those who have the German version.

Also, any word from BIS if BETA patches etc will be installable over the STEAM version?

Many Thanks

James.

I am desperate to play this game, if you need any BETA testers for the STEAM version, I would be delighted to :)

[Trauma.au]

Was greeted with that news when I opened Steam. $50, pre-downloadable.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/33900/

[Nazul]

That will be $50US. Thats later than the EU/505 version.

[Trauma.au]

Hmm you may be right, I was wondering why it was late on release, regardless Steam is always cheaper than Aussie game retailers.

Right now it converts to $61.70, EB has it up for $100 AUD.

[Placebo]

Yes my understanding is that Steam US/UK is June 30th and not before.

[shinRaiden]

For a whole lot of reasons - many posted here on the forums and other unposted - I'd finally decided a week or two ago that I was NOT going to get ArmA2 or even bother with it at all. If it is in fact going to be distributed comprehensively, or at least in the US on Steam, then that's sufficient to make me reconsider that decision, because that demonstrates some beginnings of long-overdue policy changes.

[Placebo]

I'm very happy for you :)

[Gimpymoo]

Yes my understanding is that Steam US/UK is June 30th and not before.

What is the reason for delaying the UK release as STEAM can do regional specific launches so I see no reason why it cant be launched on STEAM in the UK on the 19th, disappointing I have to wait nearly 2 weeks :(

It is more to do with 505 Games being worried they will loose launch day sales?

Do 505 games have anything to do with the STEAM release?

Thanks.

[Placebo]

No idea x3 sorry :)

[Bergotronic]

ARMA 2 is currently on the Steam Top-Sellers list as of June 2nd. :yay:

I didn't really see anyone else talking about this so I thought I would post it.

I see it as a big deal! I will be ordering my pre-order off steam shortly!

Congrats BIS!


Please Delete if this is a stupid n00b repost. :confused:

[walker]

Hi all

Wow an unreleased game is number 7 in the Steam Top Sellers Chart.
http://store.steampowered.com/

Well spotted Bergotronic.

Kind Regards walker

[4 IN 1]

the problem is that we will get a lot more bitching and moaning if BI fail to fix the game in time(which is very likely)

[kavoven]

Why does it still cost 47,99 €? I mean, I don't get any cool box or a manual or anything...Thats disappointing, I thought about buying the game online to save some money but this is even more expensive than the game in stores when you compared the stuff you get. :bored:

[4 IN 1]

well, because it is steam! and steam are always sucking your money as much as possible

[Bergotronic]

On that note... Steam shows MetaCritic reviews for all games on the service. I was afraid that some of the European reviews on metacritic would have lower reviews since they will have the earlier unpatched copies, and this in turn would drive away potential buyers of a (hopefully) patched steam world release version of ARMA2.

Hopefully the UK gaming press is smart enough to realize the awesomeness of arma2.

[Dwarden]

Hi all

Wow an unreleased game is number 7 in the Steam Top Sellers Chart.
http://store.steampowered.com/

Well spotted Bergotronic.

Kind Regards walker

well Killing Floor was top1 ... so there is still higher place to reach :)

[Berghoff]

Why does it still cost 47,99 €? I mean, I don't get any cool box or a manual or anything...Thats disappointing, I thought about buying the game online to save some money but this is even more expensive than the game in stores when you compared the stuff you get. :bored:

Yes its a shame really. Couple months ago Steam made Dollars into Euros 1:1 so any advantage was lost. Why buy a game on Steam if you can buy it retail at €39,99? I thought originally idea of Steam was to make games cheaper due lack of publisher... :j: maybe i'm wrong.

[Sniperwolf572]

Why does it still cost 47,99 €? I mean, I don't get any cool box or a manual or anything...Thats disappointing, I thought about buying the game online to save some money but this is even more expensive than the game in stores when you compared the stuff you get. :bored:

I reckon it's the whole $=€ prank Valve is pulling, ArmA2 is $49.99/47.99€ depending on where you're located, pretty gross.


Yes its a shame really. Couple months ago Steam made Dollars into Euros 1:1 so any advantage was lost. Why buy a game on Steam if you can buy it retail at €39,99? I thought originally idea of Steam was to make games cheaper due lack of publisher... :j: maybe i'm wrong.

Agreed, less is more doesn't apply to games imho.

[NuclearDruid]

well, because it is steam! and steam are always sucking your money as much as possible

Steam stated many times, they do not decide the price, the publisher does. So if you encounter the 1:1 ration with euro/dollar, it's not steam's fault, it's the publishers that decided it was a good idea. Though whenever I travel to europe, I tend to see games that are 1:1 ratio same price in game stores versus game stores here.

[TCEd]

Why does it still cost 47,99 €? I mean, I don't get any cool box or a manual or anything...Thats disappointing, I thought about buying the game online to save some money but this is even more expensive than the game in stores when you compared the stuff you get. :bored:


The "stuff you get" is a box. :butbut:

As for a manual, you can already get those online, so no loss there.

And you may be forgetting shipping cost, so while the price may not be lower than the UK version, it's certainly not out of the question to high ether & in some cases when you factor in shipping cost, it's cheaper.

Steam gives you some other things as well, check out this post by Hoak;


Steam offers a built in integrated CRC checker that lets you check the integrity of your entire game installation (Properties >>> Local Files >>> Verify the integrity of game cache) that also solves a lot of headaches before they happen (corrupt, missing or infected file) which can resolve a lot of issues, or at least take one more step out of any trouble-shooting scenario.

[MattXR]

In my steam it says £29.99 thats normal Shop price in the UK for a good PC game lol.

[NuclearDruid]

Yeup, apparently the price has just been lowered on steam! Good news!

[Sniperwolf572]

No, it hasn't, UK and US get the cheap deal, while rest of the EU get the ripoff price.

US: $49,99 (35,10€)
UK: £29.99 (34,60€)
Europe: 47.99€ (£40,60 / $66,90)

:j:

[BOTA:16]

As mentioned above, Steam does not dictate the selling price. That is the decision of the publisher. Publishers also have to keep in mind their retail outlets (best buy, walmart, gamestop, etc.) as they don't want to undercut the prices to them and piss them off. So they just match what the brick and mortor stores selling price. I am waiting to see if there will be a retail (hardcopy) version released in the US, if not then I will be pre-ordering it on Steam in the next couple weeks. I've never had any issues with Steam, but with a game like ArmA 2 I would prefer a hardcopy version.

[walker]

Hi Sniperwolf572

Currency fluctuations make assessing prices like that pointless, check back in a week and will have all changed.

You think that is bad, try having thousands in a multi-currency business accounts over the last year. The relative value of our money has devalued by 25% then rose 50% then back down again, then up, then down, etc.

Commodity price fluctuations are impossible to predict; ditto currency fluctuations, in the end all you do is take a punt and if companies like BA and Ryan Air get caught out by it and Virgin guess it right you can see how hard it is to guess right.

So you just buy the game and take your chances.

Kind Regards walker

[kavoven]

No, it hasn't, UK and US get the cheap deal, while rest of the EU get the ripoff price.

US: $49,99 (35,10€)
UK: £29.99 (34,60€)
Europe: 47.99€ (£40,60 / $66,90)

:j:

Thats just fooling customers, nothing less...:mad:

[Rhodite]

Hi Sniperwolf572

Currency fluctuations make assessing prices like that pointless, check back in a week and will have all changed.

You think that is bad, try having thousands in a multi-currency business accounts over the last year. The relative value of our money has devalued by 25% then rose 50% then back down again, then up, then down, etc.

Commodity price fluctuations are impossible to predict; ditto currency fluctuations, in the end all you do is take a punt and if companies like BA and Ryan Air get caught out by it and Virgin guess it right you can see how hard it is to guess right.

So you just buy the game and take your chances.

Kind Regards walker

Last time I checked steam is not affected my the money markets in that direct manner.

I have seen many titles retain there prices irrispective of local shop prices here in the UK or in Europe.

I honestly do not believe for a second that STEAM are powerless to reduce the prices of games that are marketed at the numeric price in euros or pounds as they are in US dollars. Profiteering at its most greedy imho.

[walker]

Thats just fooling customers, nothing less...:mad:

No kavoven

That is just the UK Pound is strong this week. Steam probably run a predictor algorithm to stabalise price over time.

Rhodite the question is not the advertised price but the price at the time Steam take the money. I am certain the adjust prices to their advantage, same as every one else.

Kind Regards walker

[Richieb0y]

at CD wow there at 28 euro inc shipping but it says 26/06/09 and i eamail them about it. they still ship it 26june

http://www.cdwow.nl/search?query=armed+assault+2&category=all

[Commando84]

Steam has one or say 2 big advantages compared to a boxed version and that is that it can't run out of stock I think at least...
Also how many times have you used up a disc or a friend or relative acidentally broke your disc somehow and you gone to the store to buy a new one? for me I have buyed 4 ofp games and 3 Arma 1 games, though Arma 1 discs where mostly for Lan game usage :D
Sadly when Arma 1 came out most of my friends moved on to other things or got tired of ofp/Arma :P
But I'll try to make them try Arma 2 when I get it so they might change their minds and give it in for Bis. :)

Also Steam games are locked to your steam account so you can always download them when you want or need them, very nice especially after buying a new system or a format of the harddrive :D

[Dwarden]

well there was issue with some games on STEAM they sold so well that they ran out of pregenerated keys :)

[TCEd]

As a long time user of Steam to buy games, once they set their price it usually stays there & not move until the game has been out for a while, then it will go down.

Honestly, the US price of $49.99 is right on target of what we normally pay for games of this magnitude. Top selling titles usually hit around the $50 mark, so I was not surprised or disappointed by this price, actually I was expecting about $10 more.

So all is good, this is reasonable & expected, oh.... got it pre-ordered through Steam btw.

[granQ]

TCEd, you just missed the point, its 49.99 dollars for you, but for us in Europe its like 66 dollars.. (not taking a stand in the discussion just pointing it out)

anyway.. the ONLY reason i would go for steam is if I know it will take care of all updates like it does with other games.

[andersson]

Will STEAM use beta patches? If not I guess youll have to take care of it anyway.

[Dangerdog]

Anyone know how many online activations are allowed before you need to contact customer support for further installs?

[F2k Sel]

I only have one game bought through steam all others are on disc I don't have any problems either way.

As some people have the game now do they use steam to run online or can you bypass it?

BTW I have it on Pre-order for £17.95 half the price of steam.

[TCEd]

TCEd, you just missed the point, its 49.99 dollars for you, but for us in Europe its like 66 dollars.. (not taking a stand in the discussion just pointing it out)

anyway.. the ONLY reason i would go for steam is if I know it will take care of all updates like it does with other games.


Yes but you folks in Europe have many other options available to you to buy the game at different prices, you don't have to use Steam at all.

Up to this point Steam is the only vendor selling directly to the US market, yes we can get at other sites around the world, but Steam is the only one directed at our market, which for us works out great at a decent price.

If Euro's are unhappy with the Steam price, simply buy it off Amazon.co.uk or any other number of sites selling to your area.


Will STEAM use beta patches? If not I guess youll have to take care of it anyway.

You will be able to patch & update your game without having to use Steam at all. Always get your updates & patches from Official sites & just use Steam as the means to buy/download/install.

[Hoak]

TCEd is correct, you won't see games go 'on sale' on Steam till well after they've hit sell-through -- that window can of course depend on the game, peak and mean sales volume, and sales performance in other channels outside of Steam.

Games on Steam, are just like games installed from a DVD, they are just installed to a different directory, with different DRM -- so as TCEd says you can use official downloadable patches to update Steam purchased games just like any other game.

The exception to the above are some games that roll with SteamWorks (http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/), though even most of these games support patching via downloadable patches.

The price disparity on Steam internationally is complex, and really more closely reflects the value of your currency in your local market (i.e. the cost of bread), then the cost of a media version of the same game in your market. If you think ArmA II is expensive in Germany, you have no idea how bad the U.S. Economy is...

The advantages of buying ArmA II on Steam, and I'm not suggesting it's for everyone, but the benefits I value include: unlimited downloads without any 're-authorization', integrated CRC checking and repair (so if some game files are corrupt, you only have to redownload those), and transparent DRM.

The last; Steam's DRM is what makes it all worth-while for me, even when it costs a little more -- Steam installs no Ring-0 level drivers, and will never cripple the stability or performance of your game (or PC) like so many other copy-protection schemes. So for me the unlimited no-hassle downloads, and functionally DRM free performance is worth a little extra.

Glad to see ArmA II is performing so well in sales, I knew if they got in early in the North American market it would take off -- rewards well earned IMHO, and even though BI has always been unsurpassed with their support for their games, their performing well financially just adds assurance to the quality and longevity we can look forward to.

:yay:

[Kite]

So currently I have installed ARMA 1.14 and beta 1.16. I run various addons and mods depending on what server I connect to. Using the STEAM version of ARMA 2, will there be issues with this?
That's one thing I really love/hate about ARMA - the addons and betas. I'm afraid STEAM will lock down only one allowable version. Not such a bad thing in theory but with ARMA 1 it would be problematic.

If this is a non-issue, then I would buy it via STEAM without fear.

[Nicholas]

I wish I would have waited for hte Steam release lol but i couldnt wait. I bought from petergames.de, and they charged $53USD to my bank account compared to what steam is selling for $49.99USD....And I only have a limited number of activations(Which I really hate because hell, I bought the game its mine i should be activate it as many times I want on my PC.)WHich on steam, you can download and activate as many times as you want cause its with your account, so i kinda got ripped off on that. STEAm doesnt mess with any mods/addosn you put in either.

[BOTA:16]

So currently I have installed ARMA 1.14 and beta 1.16. I run various addons and mods depending on what server I connect to. Using the STEAM version of ARMA 2, will there be issues with this?
That's one thing I really love/hate about ARMA - the addons and betas. I'm afraid STEAM will lock down only one allowable version. Not such a bad thing in theory but with ARMA 1 it would be problematic.

If this is a non-issue, then I would buy it via STEAM without fear.

From my understanding so far you can run ArmA 2 without Steam once it's been downloaded, installed and activated. So it should run just like a normal retail copy. Even with Steam you can have multiple startup options for different versions/mods/addons. So either way it shouldn't be a problem.

[BOTA:16]

I wish I would have waited for hte Steam release lol but i couldnt wait. I bought from petergames.de, and they charged $53USD to my bank account compared to what steam is selling for $49.99USD....And I only have a limited number of activations(Which I really hate because hell, I bought the game its mine i should be activate it as many times I want on my PC.)WHich on steam, you can download and activate as many times as you want cause its with your account, so i kinda got ripped off on that. STEAm doesnt mess with any mods/addosn you put in either.

You can still have as many activations as you want, just a limited number of simultaneous activations. Activation limits are not absolute.

[xav]

Does BIS earn the same amount of money from 1 sale of a 505 box compared to 1 sale on Steam (electronic) or do they make more money from 505?

[BoneBoys]

Anyone know how many online activations are allowed before you need to contact customer support for further installs?

Up until now, for any Steam game, once its in your Games List you can do as you wish. Which in my opinion is the way it should be.

I've pre-ordered my ArmA2 from a certain Play.c*m.
The game is at the top of the pre-order chart, for the delivered price of 32.49€s. 505 version without any activation limits.

I've been an avid Steam user for more than 5 years and I must say that I'm a little disappointed by the recent direction/price scaling that Steam has taken.

The price will vary between 50 & 55 odd €s in the shops here in France.

So, I like Steam a lot but I'm slowly but surly trying to find other methods of buying.

The possibility to activate a real copy (UT3 for example) is a pretty interesting option although I have not yet sucommbed...

[Sgt Gul]

is there a chance that steam will make an earlier release ? now its on 30 june, maybe they will release it same time with UK release?

[Nicholas]

The date on Steam is Correct, it'll change if it gets released earlier...

[Sgt Gul]

so i am better of buying it from steam, cuz i allready have many games on steam. I was thinking about buying the german version, but better to wait. steam version will be most up to date, plus maybe well get a demo this week or next week before release.

[TCEd]

Does BIS earn the same amount of money from 1 sale of a 505 box compared to 1 sale on Steam (electronic) or do they make more money from 505?

I would assume that each deal is different to some degree, Steam may have purchased the game from BIS at a different price than say 505, each deal is worked out individually, with some margin of what it was sold to others playing a part, but not necessarily the same for all publishers, this of course is my opinion as I don't know for sure.

[giantsfan24]

I wish I would have waited for hte Steam release lol but i couldnt wait. I bought from petergames.de, and they charged $53USD to my bank account compared to what steam is selling for $49.99USD....And I only have a limited number of activations(Which I really hate because hell, I bought the game its mine i should be activate it as many times I want on my PC.)WHich on steam, you can download and activate as many times as you want cause its with your account, so i kinda got ripped off on that. STEAm doesnt mess with any mods/addosn you put in either.

Being in the US, did it work out ok? Do you know if, when the UK version is released, you can patch it to English?

[Ferox]

Greetings,


I'm not really a steam fan, although i do have close to 8 games on it so I don't have too many complaints. I worry though about arma 2 steam being able to have no problems with the amount of mods, missions, and conversions that the average arma 2 player has( I know my squad always loves to try the newest most realistic mods etc).


anyone have any concerns with that or heard anything about it? because i'm hesitant to pre order it really until I find out more.

[Georg.B]

There have been plenty of games that have mods and they work fine under Steam. Garry's Mod, for example, has an absolute ton of mods and it works in a similar way to Arma in that you place them in the game's directory.

[walker]

Hi all

ArmA uses MOD folders for MODs. Thus not over writing ArmA files.

Kind Regards walker

[Ferox]

There have been plenty of games that have mods and they work fine under Steam. Garry's Mod, for example, has an absolute ton of mods and it works in a similar way to Arma in that you place them in the game's directory.

hmm yeah I've dealt with garys mod and stuff like that, but those mods always seemed to be made to work with steam, maybe I just dunno how it works fully lol..


thanks for the response.

I also remember a lot of times downloading new version betas and stuff, can steam handle that? what if I WANT to try the new version beta.. i'm sure I cant just install it outside of steam..

[Ferox]

Hi all

ArmA uses MOD folders for MODs. Thus not over writing ArmA files.

Kind Regards walker

what of patches like I said above?

[Georg.B]

Actually I'm not sure about patches. Obviously Steam auto-patches your game, but actually I think as long as you can set shortcut parameters in Steam (which you would need for mod folders anyway) you'll be fine - provided BIS will use the same method for Beta patches as before.

[Nicholas]

This question has been asked many times before, use SEARCH.

[LockDOwn]

Anyone know if the beta testers have said if the game looks ready? Or it it being forced out to early?

[koroush47]

Anyone know if the beta testers have said if the game looks ready? Or it it being forced out to early?

Well after the game was released like 2 days later a patch came in and fixed a bunch of stuff.

I've Downloaded it from petergames and am playing a german version right now and i can tell you that the game is very good in the "bug free" wise.

I don't think I've seen any bugs in the game yet. So rest assured that it is a good release.

Even if there are bugs..... BIS will just release another patch to fix it.

This is not like ArmA 1. It's much much better.

[Incognito84]

I bought it twice (one for a friend). XD

[Maizel]

Hey guys, how are you doing?

I have to start off with saying that I have never played Arma 1 and while I have played the original operation flashpoint quite alot, I never got into the multiplayer.

Also, I wanted to do a serach to answer these questions, sadly, however, I couldn't find one on these forums, so I signed up to ask them myself.

Anyway, to the inquiries.

Will the Retail version be identical to the Steam version? It might seem an adundant question, but it still, ocassionaly, happens that a retail version and a steam version of particular games are totally incompatible.

Also, could anyone shed some light on the multiplayed modus we can expect? So far the only bit of info I read in overviews, previews, etc. is that there is a 50 person battlemode. That does not tell me wuite alot.

Cheers in advance, guys.

[DaveP]

Steam version should be the same as retail and will definitely work with retail versions in MP, but as a slight caveat some releases on Steam end up having bugs that aren't found on other platforms and issues therein, Retail is your safest bet in that regard. Also sometimes there can be issues with modifying steam games in terms of where the files go and the like, but usually it isn't a big problem; Best bet is to wait a week or two after the steam release if that's what you're after.


In terms of multiplayer, there are all manner of different forms of Deathmatch, Team DM, Capture the Flag, Capture and Hold, King of the Hill, Coop, PVE (Player Versus Enemy, AI), Warfare, Evolution, and a limitless amount of aftermarket modes scripted together by crafty community members. In terms of player limits, pretty much the only limit is how powerful the server is and its connection.

[TCEd]

I have to disagree with my esteem colleague on his comments that Steam releases end up having bugs not found on other platforms, that doesn't even make sense, Steam is a download tool for ARMA2. Yes there are specific games through Steam on the Valve lable that use more intergration of the Steam app, but ARMA2 is a BIS product and Steam is used, for the most part, as simply a tool to buy/download the game through.

You don't even have to run Steam to play ARMA2. And as for a hard copy being your "safest bet", that also may depend on your personal likes & dislikes. A hard copy can be lost or damaged, a download version can always be re-downloaded should your PC crash.

And as for it being compatible, servers do not differentiate between those ppl who downloaded the game vs those who bought a DVD. That matters none in the least. Someone gave you some bad info on that.

As for the multiplayer question, I do agree with DaveP on that. So really it's up to you how you buy the game, but it won't matter on the other points.

[Peandreo]

I have many games on steam, and 0 problems running them, the good side is i can download anytime i want again the game if someting happens.

MOD you know on the release day 30 june, if the game will be already pachted trought steam? Or we will as to wait a little time to saw the update on the game?

Thanks

[DaveP]

I have to disagree with my esteem colleague on his comments that Steam releases end up having bugs not found on other platforms, that doesn't even make sense, Steam is a download tool for ARMA2. Yes there are specific games through Steam on the Valve lable that use more intergration of the Steam app, but ARMA2 is a BIS product and Steam is used, for the most part, as simply a tool to buy/download the game through.



Company of Heroes had some pretty dodgy bugs when it was first released on steam, mostly relating to keys/activation if I remember right

[Brent]

Hello all,

After several unsuccessful searches on the matter I've turned up empty handed, so here I am posting a new thread. I've seen a few threads with similar questions, but the answers seemed to be speculation at best - I would love for an official response but a quote, citation, or reliable link would also be great. Basically I'm trying to decide if I should wait for the Steam release or buy Arma II via a European digital download based on the criteria and questions posted below. Game pricing, obtaining hard copy of the game, biases for/against Steam or other distributors are all of no relevance to this particular thread and I would greatly appreciate if they were discussed elsewhere.
Thanks

Onto the questions:


My fear, and first point in question, is that the Steam version of Arma may not be able to join/play with non steam versions of the game, ie Steam won't be able to play with the DE version. In a more interrogative form; can the Steam 'version' be played online/multiplayer with all other versions of Arma?


In addition, will I have to be connected to steam to get Arma running if only to use the map editor or to play the single player campaign?


And lastly, how are updates and custom additions(such as maps/addons) worked when the game is purchased through Steam? Does Steam automatically update the game for me, or will I be allowed to do so manually? I often enjoyed testing out the latest beta patch versions in Arma I and would like to continue doing so if the chance comes up for Arma II. As for the mods, maps, and other addons; how will Steam treat these?(will it allow for them even?)


Cant wait to start playing and thanks again,

-Brent

[Moklakins]

I also have a question relating to steam. I know the boxed version of arma2 has securom but does the steam version have it. I ask this because i refuse to infect my computer with the spyware/rootkit/virus that is securom. I would like an answer from a dev or mod if at all possible.

[PhailQuail]

My fear, and first point in question, is that the Steam version of Arma may not be able to join/play with non steam versions of the game, ie Steam won't be able to play with the DE version. In a more interrogative form; can the Steam 'version' be played online/multiplayer with all other versions of Arma?

Although I can't say for certain, I know of no previous games that have only been Steam-compatible, I would expect it to be extremely likely that the Steam version would be compatible with the non-Steam version.


In addition, will I have to be connected to steam to get Arma running if only to use the map editor or to play the single player campaign?
Steam offers an offline-mode, which allows you to play games when not connected.



And lastly, how are updates and custom additions(such as maps/addons) worked when the game is purchased through Steam? Does Steam automatically update the game for me, or will I be allowed to do so manually? I often enjoyed testing out the latest beta patch versions in Arma I and would like to continue doing so if the chance comes up for Arma II. As for the mods, maps, and other addons; how will Steam treat these?(will it allow for them even?)
Maps/Mods/etc will all work fine, the only difference would be the directory where you put the files.

I am uncertain about beta-testing patches.

There is a possibility that Steam will allow you to extract the CD-key associated with your "copy" of ArmA2, and there is a possibility that you would be able to use this key with the retail version, as possible with some other games on Steam, but I am unsure how applicable this is to ArmA2.

[Maizel]

Steam version should be the same as retail and will definitely work with retail versions in MP, but as a slight caveat some releases on Steam end up having bugs that aren't found on other platforms and issues therein, Retail is your safest bet in that regard. Also sometimes there can be issues with modifying steam games in terms of where the files go and the like, but usually it isn't a big problem; Best bet is to wait a week or two after the steam release if that's what you're after.


In terms of multiplayer, there are all manner of different forms of Deathmatch, Team DM, Capture the Flag, Capture and Hold, King of the Hill, Coop, PVE (Player Versus Enemy, AI), Warfare, Evolution, and a limitless amount of aftermarket modes scripted together by crafty community members. In terms of player limits, pretty much the only limit is how powerful the server is and its connection.

Thanks for the reply.

Could you, or anyone else for that matter, elaborate on the Warfare and Evolution game modus?

As I said, I've never played ARMA II, I wouldn't know what tose gamemodes are like.

[InFireBaptize]

You don't even have to run Steam to play ARMA2

Not too sure about that! i remember once when i didn't have internet i couldn't play any games i downloaded through steams! and when you launch a game you can see that steam runs first then the game.

[Sniperwolf572]

Merged all the new STEAM threads into this one, please use this thread for all ArmA2 Steam related questions.

[Moklakins]

Ill ask again becuase the merging probably caused some confusion. Does the steam version of Arma2 contain securom? I would appriciate it if i could get an official answer from a dev or mod.

[Dwarden]

when i get the needed info i will try answer some of the questions raised ...
but it's not gunna be until next week so please wait ...

[ilovebeer]

How come i see people say ArmA II is getting released on June 30th? it has shown June 26th from day 1 for me?

[Hoak]

Is it currently known if BI intends to roll any SteamWorks (http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/) featuers into the Steam release of Armed Assault 2? Specifically:


Will ArmA 2 on Steam have VAC?
Will ArmA 2 on Steam support SteamCloud?
Will ArmA 2 on Steam use support the Steam Browswer?
Will ArmA 2 on Steam support Steam VOIP?

And lastly, full SteamWorks allows for anyone with a paid for license key, even from a media edition of the game to register it on Steam; Will ArmA 2 media Customers be able to register their game on Stea?

:butbut:

[CanadianSyrup]

I can tell you that Arma2 Wont have VAC because VAC stands for Valve Anti-Cheat System Which is Designed for games made by the company valve such as Half-life,Counterstrike,Teamfortress etc.

[Amuro]

I could have ordered it from Steam also, but I don't want to pay the high US retail price which is like 20 USD more expensive than buying from a local brick & mortar store.

[Hoak]

I can tell you that Arma2 Wont have VAC because VAC stands for Valve Anti-Cheat System Which is Designed for games made by the company valve such as Half-life,Counterstrike,Teamfortress etc.
Incorrect, VAC, Valve's Anti-Cheat protection scheme is available to any Developer that Publishes thorugh Steam and licenses SteamWorks (http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/)... There are in fact over a dozen games on Steam that aren't on the Source engine that use VAC -- Red Orchestra (http://www.redorchestragame.com/) is one of the first that comes to mind, as was once intended to be a fairly serious tactical realism game...

:butbut:

[Commando84]

I only have one game bought through steam all others are on disc I don't have any problems either way.

As some people have the game now do they use steam to run online or can you bypass it?

BTW I have it on Pre-order for £17.95 half the price of steam.


infinte? Im not sure you need a cd key on steam even.
Its alll linked to your login. :)
user name and password.

[MegaSevan]

Can you still have custom shortcuts with the steam version?

and what about patch support? I know sometimes steam version of non-valve games don't get patched as quickly as retail copies.

[Steakslim]

You should be able to do custom shortcuts with the steam version. ArmA1 shortcuts had not problems with the steam version. As for patch support, I have no idea what BIS plans to do with Steam whether they'll have patches actually distributed throught Steam, or have users manually patch their games. Personally I prefere they let us manually patch.

[ilovebeer]

Anyone know if the steam verison will have the latest patch when you first download it? also why has some people been saying steam version is coming out June 30? i have always seen it as the 26th?

[Falco1.01]

Why is the steam version a total ripofff?

Why banning me for no reason? Maybe I should cancell my pre-order and start making damage...right mr moderator?

[n0th1ng]

Anyone know why the pricing is so insane for ArmA 2? 47,99 € is quite insane! Also why is the release date 30. Jun when it's 19.Jun for any other retailer?

[Falco1.01]

Anyone know why the pricing is so insane for ArmA 2? 47,99 € is quite insane! Also why is the release date 30. Jun when it's 19.Jun for any other retailer?

I tell you why, TOTAL RIPOFF

Steam said that the price is put by BI, so we should ask BI why is there so much diference :mad:

By the way, bye bye steam, i am sick of your abusing prices in the EU.

[Steakslim]

Dunno about the pricing, that has been discussed greatly already and if you took the time Falco to look up those discussions rather than bitching and performing ban evasion you'd probably not be having such a hard time. Anywho, on the 30th date is for the UK release on "Steam". Everywhere else in the UK it's the 19th for hardcopy retail. The 26th is when the US steam release will be, and at current, will be the only known release locally available in the US. I don't think there's been another US distributer announced yet. Complaining why it's being released on Steam on such a date, and being released somewhere else on such a date is pointless when you consider the entire release situation that's been going on since Morphicon. The release dates are scattered, deal with it, live with it, it'll be all over with by July for most of NA an Europe. I'm not sure on the situation on the international releases elsewhere as I have not honestly followed those discussions.

[n0th1ng]

The reason i'm mostly i'm annoyed with steam is because i can't find that many norwegian retailers who will carry the game at all, i've searched fanatically to find a place that sells it or another place that sells digital download at a reasonable price.

[Steakslim]

There was one place mentioned that was going to be releasing a digital download that someone mentioned, I'm sorry as I cannot remember or find it at the moment, that was mentioned as a good alternative due to Steam's pricing for the UK. Check through this topic possibly (sucks I know), or someone will hopefully chime in.

[Sgt Gul]

maybe they will make the release earlier, who knows. but the price will definetly stay the same

[cm]

I'd love to buy it off steam, but i'll be fucked if I'm going to have to wait an extra two weeks for it. Especially since my holidays start in a week.

[moosenoodles]

Ive always liked these forums, community and help it gives but somehow swearing just seems so out of place here :/

[Heatseeker]

Boxed retail for 30€ shipping in the 19th, no brainer.. pre- ordered already, i dont know why would any euro get it from steam.. i'd rather pay 505 before we all end up with overpriced digital distribution copies shoved up our asses.
Yes, i like the box, the DVD and the printed manual very much, no i dont understand how a digital distribution copy can be more expensive.. Steam = ripoff, not that i belive that the games are not worth 50+ but compared to retail boxed copies, no way..

[galzohar]

This thread is full of complaining about steam... But I was wondering - does steam have any clear ADVANTAGES? For example, your CD can explode but your steam version will always stay yours, no? Then again if your CD explodes you should be able to get a pirated version and install with your own legal CD-key and play online, no? Would be nice if anyone could verify those things, as well as point out any possible advantages for steam that weren't brought up, like re-installation speeds, patch download speeds etc.

[Sniperwolf572]

We have enough piracy on the boards as it is, so please don't bring it up here.

And yes, your steam game will always be yours to redownload.

[galzohar]

The question is what non-steam users have as an alternative, other than re-buying the game?

[Heatseeker]

The question is what non-steam users have as an alternative, other than re-buying the game?
Thats not steam related but i suppose you dont, though i must say that in all my many years of gaming i havent lost, damaged or have any disk eaten by goats or anything like that but if i did i would assume the responsability and buy another copy.. i dont know why people are careless and throw their disks around then complain when they are broken..

[galzohar]

Not everyone live alone. While most my CD collection is still functional, some of it had simply gone bad over the years. Some without me even touching them. Is it possible to activate a non-steam key on steam so that you can play without CD in drive?

[Baldman]

You can screw up CDs with overuse and wear and tear no matter how careful you are.

My OFP disk (from the days you needed it in the drive to play) was worn ragged from all the inserting/spinning etc etc. Luckily I had no qualms about buying a new one..... Quality. They just dont make em like they used to.

I'll be going for steam for sure. You always have offline mode and you can dl and play it no matter where you are. Steam can be told to drop a shortcut on the desktop to individual games so you can still run mod folders etc. Even if you dont like the shortcuts you can just right click your game in steam->properties->Launch options and run it there.

Steam all the way for me.

[Paradiiso]

Why is it available the 30th of June 2009 ? ArmAII is availble the 18th in France (Where I'm working...)

[Raznor09]

30th? released the 26th here in USA

[Steakslim]

30th? released the 26th here in USA

UK steam release is the 30th for whatever reason.

[LockDOwn]

I do not see it on EBgames or Gamestops websites. I even called them and they said it seems they won't carry it.

[usmc123]

I do not see it on EBgames or Gamestops websites. I even called them and they said it seems they won't carry it.So far in the United States it will only be available on Steam. You can still purchase it from Petergames and Metaboli right now but you will be buying the German Version. At least I think that is correct.

[BOTA:49]

CD Wow (http://www.cdwow.us/games/Windows/ARMA-II-Armed-Assault/product/view/9017405) has it for pre-order, but I'd imagine it's the 505 version. Doesn't matter to me though, retail copy it is and it's cheaper. Not to mention hopefully it will be shipped no later than the 19th and get here within a week (US shipping is 7-10 days supposedly).

[Raznor09]

even though steam is prob the best way to go, it is going to take a lifetime for it to dl, and install. so when its released on the 29, i actually get to play it on the 30th, i was hoping newegg would have it but it doesnt look like it, they usually have great prices and free fast shipping

[hoz]

it is going to take a lifetime for it to dl,

I downloaded it from petergames and it took just about 3 hours to download the 7.5 gigs or so. I've been totally happy ever since. I bought 3 copies 1 for me and 1 for each of my arma buddies so I saved a bundle of download time for them. :)

[Arrowhead]

even though steam is prob the best way to go, it is going to take a lifetime for it to dl, and install.

Depends what kind of internet connection you have really. Many people in North America have 10M+ connections these days. 8 gigs is nothing to sweat about. ;)

[Raznor09]

whenever i dl something from steam its at a rate of 350kb or so, takes ridiculously long, i can dl larger files off the internet quicker.

[Arrowhead]

whenever i dl something from steam its at a rate of 350kb or so, takes ridiculously long, i can dl larger files off the internet quicker.

Where do you live? Steam always downloads full speed for me in Toronto these days. 1 megabyte per second. I think I need a faster connection still.

A guy I know from Pennsylvania downloads off of Steam regularly at 2 megs per second. :eek:

[Sheps]

Yeah the U.S sucks for the Bis OFP/Arma franchise, Bis feels the need to like dumb down or give the game a gimmick to sell it to American audiences for some reason.

And steam is generally good, other than the fact that your paying full retail and don't get a manual, box or CD which is kind of dumb that people still buy digital for RRP.

But generally when I buy games off of steam (HL, TF2, Pirates! ect ect) it downloads at around the same time it would have taken me to go to the store and get it.

[Raznor09]

live in florida, and i see that the only other US place to buy it is cd wow. i noticed it was going for $40 bucks and the release is the 19th i no that when the UK ver is out so does that mean the version on CD wow is the uk ver and if so would there be compatibility issues with the disc?

[Raznor09]

thats kinda stupid not mention its released on the 19th in the UK

[LockDOwn]

Is there an official statement on this from BIS?

[Bravo0246]

I'm buying retail/boxed, otherwise it would take me 18hrs to download and that's only if I get max speed, not to mention it would cost me $25 for just the bandwidth alone.
They really need to make DD cheaper, cause at moment it's costing alot more or the same.
I'd much rather get a shiny box for cheaper.
Problem is gamers are too lazy to get off there arse's lol, no offence all.

[LockDOwn]

I'm buying retail/boxed, otherwise it would take me 18hrs to download and that's only if I get max speed, not to mention it would cost me $25 for just the bandwidth alone.

Especially if you want mods

[Steakslim]

Mods should work fine with the Steam copy, unless you're refering to his bandwidth costs.

[johncage]

is there no possibility for a us retail release?

too bad, i was hoping to buy this game.

[Steakslim]

Whenever BIS can get a US publisher/distributer they will. They might already and just haven't released any information.

[Placebo]

No it will not only be sold on steam, yes we have a US publisher who will sell retail copies in stores around the US, just like normal games ;) The press release announcing it is being finalised and will be released soon :)

[Placebo]

Does the steam version of Arma2 contain securom?

It does not :)

[Dwarden]

OK, i'm now accepting questions for STEAM ArmA2 related FAQ (official answers will become available later):

question post should start with first line containing these characters

Q4FAQ:
and question goes here on next line ...

[Hoak]

Q4FAQ

Does BI intend to incorporate any SteamWorks (http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/) featuers into the Steam release of Armed Assault 2?

Specifically will ArmA 2 support or include:


VAC?
SteamCloud?
Steam Browswer?
Steam VOIP?


If no, is there the possibility any SteamWorks features will be supported in the future via updates?

:butbut:

[Dwarden]

i would just add note that the STEAMoverlay (not part of the STEAMworks) but STEAMclient
and STEAMvoice chat (part of STEAMclient not STEAMworks)
and STEAMclient browser inside STEAMoverlay :)
works already fine with ArmA 2...

just to clean possible confusion

[BOTA:16]

Q4FAQ
Will the Steam version pre-load? Meaning will it download a day or so before and unlock the 26th?

[Punisher5555]

Thank you for confirming the Securom question Placebo. Thank you BIS for not using it in the Steam version. Thank you BIS for going releasing ArmA2 on Steam.

[MadDogX]

Q4FAQ

- Will the Steam version include friends support, i.e. adding friends from within the game (Steam overlay -> players -> current game), joining friends games etc.?
- Will it be possible to activate a previously bought hardcopy version of Arma2 on Steam via the Steam games list?

[Baker65]

Q4FAQ:

- Does the Steam ArmA2 executable differ in any way as to prevent users from testing beta versions of the program?

- When new versions of ArmA2 come out, do we have to wait for a special patch from Steam?

[galzohar]

Q4FAQ
- Will it be possible to activate a previously bought hardcopy version of Arma2 on Steam via the Steam games list?

That's pretty much what I asked earlier, but got no answer. Would be nice as a way to play without a CD/securom and as a backup in case the CD goes bad.

[Dangerdog]

Q4FAQ

-Are there any form of activation limits on ArmA2? Can I upgrade my hardware without needing to perform some sort of de-activation first or worry about running out of activations?

[Farr612]

I just pre-ordered Arma 2 through Steam and received a pay pal confirmation but no confirmation through steam with a activation key is this normal, does this game need an activation key, or does it just activate with my steam account, sorry but i am new to Steam.

[MadDogX]

I just pre-ordered Arma 2 through Steam and received a pay pal confirmation but no confirmation through steam with a activation key is this normal, does this game need an activation key, or does it just activate with my steam account, sorry but i am new to Steam.

It activates with your account. Some games like Fallout 3 have keys too, but you get those when you get the game. :)

[Farr612]

Good I thought I might have missed something important, thanks for the quick response!!

[Titan127]

Q4FAQ

Ok this is likely stupid question but anyway...

When I get a boxed retail copy of ARMA2 on June 19th will I be able to play it the same day or do I have to wait for the steam unlock day and activate it etc on steam whenever that is?

Sorry but I got Empire total war when it came out, steam made me soo mad. After a while i figured out i had to wait a couple of days to actually play it since it had to be activated on steam...

Am hoping to avoid the same thing again with ARMA2 so a good answer would be handy. Also i couln't find any other good information about it from other sources.

[Incognito84]

My Steam account says it's coming out on June 30th. Everyone else is saying June 26th. Is this a Steam error or is it because I don't live in North America?

[Richieb0y]

Steam release is on the 30th not sooner only retail i think is on the 26th

and ask here alot of peeps that go whit steam so the know more then me

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=73554

[Laqueesha]

My Steam account says it's coming out on June 30th. Everyone else is saying June 26th. Is this a Steam error or is it because I don't live in North America?

The original release date was June 26, 2009, but it is now June 19, 2009.

[Arrowhead]

I'm in Canada and Steam says the 26th.

[MachineMadness]

This is getting on my nerves about release dates. Can we get a sticky, with the release dates for ALL regions, including steam.

[Incognito84]

I'm in Canada and Steam says the 26th.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/33900/

This website still says the 30th for me :(

I'm confused. It's under the My Games tab in my Steam but I can't get any info on it by clicking.

[Arrowhead]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/33900/

This website still says the 30th for me :(

I'm confused. It's under the My Games tab in my Steam but I can't get any info on it by clicking.

When I click on that link it says June 26th.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1438/armajune26.th.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=armajune26.jpg)

It must know what part of the world we're in based on our IPs and present us with the appropriate release date. The actual release dates must be different depending on our region, even through Steam.

[raedor]

If you buy a boxed retail copy, you'll be able to play right away.

[Incognito84]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/incognito84/Arma2.jpg

Must be by IP. This sucks, I have to wait four extra days. Oh well. At least I'll have AA3 to play.

[Trunkz Jr]

[IM]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/incognito84/Arma2.jpg[/IMG]

Must be by IP. This sucks, I have to wait four extra days. Oh well. At least I'll have AA3 to play.

I'm in Canada and this is what I see (posted below) I wonder if this is so ppl could download it smoothly or something? not sure...


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/TrunkzJr/Untitled-1.jpg

[Placebo]

Merging into the existing Steam thread.

Not sure which part of "search before posting" in the forum rules isn't clear enough?

Trunkz Jr remove image tags when quoting please.

[ilovebeer]

Im from the US and it says June 26th for me.

[Spetz]

YESS!!!
My countries petro-dollar is rising making it more affordable to buy products in USD


Oil at $80 a barrel = CAD $1 = $1.30 USD:unclesam:

Fear the power of Canada

[MadDogX]

Fear the power of Canada

Also, blame Canada!

As for Steam, for me here in Germany it says June 30th. Not that I really care... :)

[Sgt Gul]

i cancelled my order at steam, i got refunded. I bought it from a dutch site instead, ill be getting it on the 19th. woohoo. and it was cheaper

[Raznor09]

they really need to release a pre load for this game

[Steakslim]

they probably will probably within the 5 days before the release date.

[Gimpymoo]

Is there any chance that you may allow Retail serial keys to be activated on STEAM?

I have no idea how much this would cost you in terms of Valves fees but if the publisher is worried about losing retail sales, it would help reduce lost "retail" sales for those who prefer STEAM.

[BOTA:16]

This thread almost got lost...:P

Any update on the questions Placebo? Thx for taking the time to try and find out.

[anfiach]

Is there any chance that you may allow Retail serial keys to be activated on STEAM?

I have no idea how much this would cost you in terms of Valves fees but if the publisher is worried about losing retail sales, it would help reduce lost "retail" sales for those who prefer STEAM.

I am not 100% positive but I believe this is possible using the activate a product on Steam button on the bottom of your steam browser.

[berowe]

As anyone who bought Empire Total War through Steam knows--a buggy game requiring many patches (E:TW, ARMA1, ARMA2, for example- nothing personal..) will cause many a nutroll on Steam. Steam doesn't let you choose your running version, or which patch you want- it simply updates to the most "up to date" patch. So if non-steam using mod makers release things that only work on specific patches, or if a patch "breaks" the game, then the steam-community will be screwed, until a hotfix comes in (days, weeks, months) or they reinstall (annoying).

So if we have any similar issues as in ARMA1 with 8 different beta and non-beta patches running around the community will split up badly, and if you're a steam user you'll spend half of your life re-downloading the game and trying to prevent it from updating past where you want it to...

BIS it would be nice to know that you're keenly aware of Steam's shortcomings, and what you're doing to make things go smoothly. Can Steams patching system be disabled and BIS only be allowed to patch the game through their own distribution? I think that would be the best choice...

This may seem like it isn't a big deal, but with Empire: TW, each patch has made the game COMPLETELY unplayable for a whole new set of people while fixing it for others. Myself for example couldn't run the base game, could run patch 1, couldn't run 2, can run the most recent with annoying bugs, and these patches were all a month apart... If I could CHOOSE which patch I wanted it wouldn't be as much of an issue, but even if you turn off Steam's auto-download it will turn itself back on sometimes and update you completely without you knowing.

[ando2009]

Do I buy Arma2 on steam when its more expensive than the retail version, and if I bought it on steam would I be able to play multiplayer with someone who has bought it at retail?

[Placebo]

This thread almost got lost...:P

Any update on the questions Placebo? Thx for taking the time to try and find out.

Pretty sure it wasn't me who offered to come up with the answers? Blame Dwarden for that ;)

[BOTA:16]

As anyone who bought Empire Total War through Steam knows--a buggy game requiring many patches (E:TW, ARMA1, ARMA2, for example- nothing personal..) will cause many a nutroll on Steam. Steam doesn't let you choose your running version, or which patch you want- it simply updates to the most "up to date" patch. So if non-steam using mod makers release things that only work on specific patches, or if a patch "breaks" the game, then the steam-community will be screwed, until a hotfix comes in (days, weeks, months) or they reinstall (annoying).

So if we have any similar issues as in ARMA1 with 8 different beta and non-beta patches running around the community will split up badly, and if you're a steam user you'll spend half of your life re-downloading the game and trying to prevent it from updating past where you want it to...

BIS it would be nice to know that you're keenly aware of Steam's shortcomings, and what you're doing to make things go smoothly. Can Steams patching system be disabled and BIS only be allowed to patch the game through their own distribution? I think that would be the best choice...

This may seem like it isn't a big deal, but with Empire: TW, each patch has made the game COMPLETELY unplayable for a whole new set of people while fixing it for others. Myself for example couldn't run the base game, could run patch 1, couldn't run 2, can run the most recent with annoying bugs, and these patches were all a month apart... If I could CHOOSE which patch I wanted it wouldn't be as much of an issue, but even if you turn off Steam's auto-download it will turn itself back on sometimes and update you completely without you knowing.

FYI: Once you download the game and install it with Steam, you don't even have to use Steam to launch the game. It will function just like the retail version. Meaning you can have as many "versions" as you need with all the different command line switches. At least this was how ArmA worked on Steam. Some gameas require Steam to play, for others Steam is just simply a distribution channel. After that Steam is no longer necessary.



Pretty sure it wasn't me who offered to come up with the answers? Blame Dwarden for that ;)

OOPS! :o So Dwarden....;)

[Sgt Gul]

well i cancelled my order at steam to buy it cheaper and an earlier release. usually i go for steam

[galzohar]

Then what stops you from installing the game on 50 different computers? And how does it not stop you from reinstalling 50 times on your own computer?

[ModeZt]

Usually Steam is used as a protection system. Instead of inserting a disc into the drive you have to be logged in in steam with an account that has the game. With ArmA1 that is not used. (disc check was also disabled in arma with one of the patches).

WIth ArmA2 i guess the steam protection WILL be used. It won't stop you from installing the game on 100 computers. But you won't be able to play online from all of them at the same time.
And you will be able to install whatever patch or mod you like.

[galzohar]

You don't need steam (or securom or any DRM) to prevent one from playing a game online with the same CD-key from more than one computer... If the steam version has practically no DRM (for offline), what is the point of the DRM of the non-steam version?

[Steakslim]

So if we have any similar issues as in ARMA1 with 8 different beta and non-beta patches running around the community will split up badly, and if you're a steam user you'll spend half of your life re-downloading the game and trying to prevent it from updating past where you want it to...



ArmA1 doesn't update via Steam, and thus, no patching issues. I dunno if the same will be for ArmA2, but I hope it is as it makes things much easier for the community as not all groups go with the newest patches right away. Of course you can always tell Steam via update settings not to update a particular game. Dunno if it'll try to force an update on you if you try to run the game though.

Edit: Additionally as someone before me mentioned, ArmA1/2 should be able to be ran without Steam running, it is very much so for ArmA1, so running different patches and different mods like in ArmA1 via Steam should be possible without hassle in ArmA2.

[Commando84]

there is a option in steam that you can choose if you want to have the selected game always up to date or not.
So you can shut off the auto updater in steam actually :)

[Ketamine]

Save yourself from the future problems that Steam can create.
Preorder with play or amazon or your reliable game shop.
Or go get it on release date from your local game shop.
Believe me, a DVD in hand is sooooo much better than relying on any download system.

[Praelium]

I have a question. If I buy the boxed version from Newegg, will I still be able to use the "Shift+Tab" overlay if I register it to Steam? Because, really, that's the only reason I would get the Steam version, but it's quite a big one. It's extremely useful when talking to friends or trying to set up an online game.

[Shinobi575]

Ok quick question about Downloading off of steam will future mods/addons be a problem? i know this isnt a steam game but the config will be different for the mods ? sorry i didnt read through the first 17 pages lol

[BOTA:16]

No, once the game is downloaded and installed via Steam, it should behave just as a typical retail version would. Meaning you can launch the game with or without Steam if you chose to do so. How it behaves if you launch the game through Steam is unknown at the moment. Also if may or may not support Steam Overlay. Hopefully Dwarden is working on getting some things cleared up with the Steam version.

[Dwarden]

answer coming ... when ready :), some questions still needs to be cleared up

[Blakord]

Hello, Im using my own launcher for Armed Assault, I decide post it for free use for ever1, I will update the program for Arma and Arma2 in same launcher, now I see Arma2 is going available for Steam, my question is, how will engage steam version of Arma 2?, is requiered start Steam before? how can I set params lines for launch Arma2 using steam plugins, windows, intro, server connect etc.?? suggestions??

Tnanks

[dunedain]

Unfortunaly, you need to first start Steam before launching any game from it, but you can set launch options (http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1236/58734590.jpg) in it for every game.

It's possible to do classic "classic" shortcuts with Steam but they link to steam launcher with an application number, so i don't know if launch options work on those ..

US fellows which own Atari release of Arma on Steam may be more help than me.

[raedor]

Moved this into a more fitting place.

[LT. Razgriz]

In my experience sometimes you do sometimes you don't. You don't for ArmA 1 or Fallout 3 for Steam I do know. Hopefully it'll be the same as ArmA 1. Lemme test some of the other non-Valve games I've got on Steam to see if they do the same. It may be virtually all other than the Valve made/Steam exclusive ones.

EDIT: Well, Fallout 3 and ArmA start without Steam running, but Unreal Tournament 3, Lost Planet and Splinter Cell Double Agent won't. I started up Steam and UT3 ran from the .exe, not going through Steam though. I bet everything will work fine, though you may have to have Steam running.
Oh, and you can set up startup parameters through Steam with ArmA 1 fine.

[Meek]

Depending on how much ArmA2 is integrated with Steam, it may be possible to replace ArmA2's executable file with one from a non-steam patch, to separate it from Steam. I have done this with UT2k4.

[ta.maximus]

It's actually really simple and I'm sure ArmA II is going to work this way:

Simply execute steam.exe with the following command line parameters:
steam.exe -applaunch %id %c

Where %id represents the application ID Steam will assign to Arma II (you will have to wait for ArmA II to be released on Steam before you will be able to get hold of it)

%c represents any command line parameters you want to pass on to ArmA itself.

[Blakord]

It's actually really simple and I'm sure ArmA II is going to work this way:

Simply execute steam.exe with the following command line parameters:
steam.exe -applaunch %id %c

Where %id represents the application ID Steam will assign to Arma II (you will have to wait for ArmA II to be released on Steam before you will be able to get hold of it)

%c represents any command line parameters you want to pass on to ArmA itself.

The steam ID for the games is the same global ID for every users or is for you local instalation?? ...

Ok i have to wait for release and test, I have few non valve games on steam, I can make a shortcut for start steam and the steam game, some of games allow params commands on that shortcut and some others not, I really hope this work, the launchers with params is really necesary for misions editors and addons makers

I leave some screenshots of old version, in new version you can include servers for instant connect and the launch pad will show if is online and the ping rate

Main window, you can modify all profiles presets on the fly just clicking for select or unselect on every one before engage
http://www.cdv3k.com/files/perros/Guide-how-do-07.gif

Profiles manager
http://www.cdv3k.com/files/perros/Guide-how-do-06.gif

Addons manager
http://www.cdv3k.com/files/perros/Guide-how-do-05.gif

[ta.maximus]

Your launcher is looking good Blakord.

As far as I'm aware each Steam ID is assigned to a specific game and is unique to that particular game. In other words the same Steam ID will work on every computer and you don't have to worry about different Steam ID's for Arma II. If ArmA's steam ID turns out to be 4321, then it will be 4321 on every single computer.

*edit*
You can find the Steam AppID's for various games and demo's here:
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3729-WFJZ-4175#games

But as expected Arma II is not on that list yet.

[Steakslim]

Unfortunaly, you need to first start Steam before launching any game from it, but you can set launch options (http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1236/58734590.jpg) in it for every game.

It's possible to do classic "classic" shortcuts with Steam but they link to steam launcher with an application number, so i don't know if launch options work on those ..

US fellows which own Atari release of Arma on Steam may be more help than me.

Incorrect, well sort of. Most 3rd party games can be ran without the need to start Steam. I can prove this right now with both ArmA1 and CoD4 which I have through Steam. There are some games that work like you mention with the application number, but from my experience (or luck) only a few of them operate in such a way, Crysis/Warhead/Wars are the only exception so far I've encountered, as they need to run Steam before lauching the game, probably due to Crytek taking advantage of one of Steam's services for the game, of which I do not know.

[Praelium]

In my experience sometimes you do sometimes you don't. You don't for ArmA 1 or Fallout 3 for Steam I do know. Hopefully it'll be the same as ArmA 1. Lemme test some of the other non-Valve games I've got on Steam to see if they do the same. It may be virtually all other than the Valve made/Steam exclusive ones.

EDIT: Well, Fallout 3 and ArmA start without Steam running, but Unreal Tournament 3, Lost Planet and Splinter Cell Double Agent won't. I started up Steam and UT3 ran from the .exe, not going through Steam though. I bet everything will work fine, though you may have to have Steam running.
Oh, and you can set up startup parameters through Steam with ArmA 1 fine.

For Arma, can you still press "Shift+Tab" and open the Steam Overlay? It makes opening my friends list and chatting much easier.

[LT. Razgriz]

For Arma, can you still press "Shift+Tab" and open the Steam Overlay? It makes opening my friends list and chatting much easier.

If you start up through Steam, you can. If you start up through Steam with a shortcut to another .exe, or a shortcut to the arma.exe you can. If you don't you can't of course though. I actually have ArmA running through a shortcut to arma.exe so I can have a seperate shortcut for ACE/beta patch or no ACE/beta etc.

[papoose244]

I read the steam version wont have SecuROM does the reatail copy have a limit on installs?

[galzohar]

Why does Steam show Arma 2 release as "june 30"?

[BOTA:16]

Shows the 26th for me (North America).

[_Cappa]

I have a question. If I buy the boxed version from Newegg, will I still be able to use the "Shift+Tab" overlay if I register it to Steam? Because, really, that's the only reason I would get the Steam version, but it's quite a big one. It's extremely useful when talking to friends or trying to set up an online game.

Yes even If the game is not bought off steam you can use the overlay if you want to in any game. (I've not came across a game which I've had problems with the overlay)

Just open steam > Go to games tab > Click add non-steam game > Add the game (executable) you want to use. :cool:

:bounce3:

[leckig]

Save yourself from the future problems that Steam can create.
Preorder with play or amazon or your reliable game shop.
Or go get it on release date from your local game shop.
Believe me, a DVD in hand is sooooo much better than relying on any download system.

you probably never used steam.

Recently, I dont even buy a game if it is not on steam. the convenience factor is huge. I cant stand messing with DVDs

[BaseJumper]

One bad thing about Steam purchased games is:
you can't resell it someone else once its bought into your steam account.

[galzohar]

Games that use their CD-keys online can't be resold anyway, unless the person you sell it to trusts you to not use his cd-key and/or re-sell it.

[Nadder]

So do you guys think mods will work with the Steam version?

[Sgt Gul]

of course they will work

[anfiach]

Time will tell. I rather risk issues with Steam than the issues Securom can cause to your pc

[Adumb]

So do you guys think mods will work with the Steam version?

....Have you not used steam before? :eek:

[KingNL]

Can you use beta patches with steam?
If that's not the case, It'd be a reason not to buy a steam version of Arma II.

[Baker65]

Depends what kind of internet connection you have really. Many people in North America have 10M+ connections these days. 8 gigs is nothing to sweat about. ;)

Ha, that's funny. I live near a large city and can only get 1/2 meg download speed, at best (DSL). I've begged the phone company to upgrade the lines in my area for the past 12 years and they won't. Even the cable company refuses to run lines to my area.

Downloading ANYTHING is painful at home, meanwhile a mere 10 miles away, I have a 16 meg connection at work so I'm dragging my home computer to work just to get the Steam version loaded.

[kklownboy]

Can you use beta patches with steam?
If that's not the case, It'd be a reason not to buy a steam version of Arma II. ARMA1 it wasnt a issue. Steam is just way to download it, its not a Steam game. It goes into the common folder in your Steam directory, and you can install into that, mods beta patches ect

[Nadder]

....Have you not used steam before? :eek:

Yes I have, thats why I ask. Some games from Steam, like Fallout 3, does not work with all mods.

Have YOU not used Steam before?

I'll wait before I buy a Steam version if I can't get a boxed copy just to make sure.

[LT. Razgriz]

Yes I have, thats why I ask. Some games from Steam, like Fallout 3, does not work with all mods.

Have YOU not used Steam before?

I'll wait before I buy a Steam version if I can't get a boxed copy just to make sure.

I got Fallout 3 on Steam shortly after release. I followed the modding scene very closely between then and February '09. Since then I've wanted to replay Fallout 3 occasionally and looked at basically every mod on Fallout 3 Nexus over again. The only mod I remember not being supported on the Steam version was FOSE. And it ended up being supported later anyway.

I also have ArmA 1 on Steam and every mod I've used works 100%, and I can't really see why one wouldn't. The only real difference between a retail and Steam copy of a game is the exe (that being mainly copy protection stuff) I'm pretty sure, so I can't really see any problems.

I wish that ArmA 2 was coming retail to NA though, I really hate having to download games every time I reinstall.

[Johannes]

Yes I have, thats why I ask. Some games from Steam, like Fallout 3, does not work with all mods.

Have YOU not used Steam before?

I'll wait before I buy a Steam version if I can't get a boxed copy just to make sure.

...On a sidenote. All that steam does is download games and launch them. You can install as many mods as you want.

[Nadder]

I like Steam very much. I buy most my games from it. I just want to know for sure that ArmA 2 on Steam works with mods 100%

Mods and ArmA go hand in hand so it would suck :(

[Gimpymoo]

As long as the mods do not modify the .exe, I see no reason why they will not work.

I am waiting for the STEAM release... Im VERY glad it is on STEAM but the extra wait is frustrating.

[anfiach]

I got Fallout 3 on Steam shortly after release. I followed the modding scene very closely between then and February '09. Since then I've wanted to replay Fallout 3 occasionally and looked at basically every mod on Fallout 3 Nexus over again. The only mod I remember not being supported on the Steam version was FOSE. And it ended up being supported later anyway.

I also have ArmA 1 on Steam and every mod I've used works 100%, and I can't really see why one wouldn't. The only real difference between a retail and Steam copy of a game is the exe (that being mainly copy protection stuff) I'm pretty sure, so I can't really see any problems.

I wish that ArmA 2 was coming retail to NA though, I really hate having to download games every time I reinstall.
Gamestop and EB games are carrying it now. I already have it pre ordered on Steam but they had their new pre order lists out last weekend and they now will carry it.

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Will the Steam version contain a .pdf of the manual? If not I forsee many frustrating hours learning by trial and error

[stevyd10]

Will the Steam version contain a .pdf of the manual? If not I forsee many frustrating hours learning by trial and error

Yea this game will deffo need a manual. If not thn I guess there will be scans on the net somewhere

[echo1]

Apologies if it has been asked before, but is it possible to register a retail copy with Steam? (like with the Valve games)

[EvilCookie]

Does anyone know what time the game is going to be unlocked on steam? Would be nice if it was 12:01 on the 26th so we don't have to wait till the evening or something.

[galzohar]

Apologies if it has been asked before, but is it possible to register a retail copy with Steam? (like with the Valve games)

It had been asked several times, but no answer yet.

[papoose244]

It had been asked several times, but no answer yet.



Hope this happens only a few games can register in steam.

[Mavi]

Hope this happens only a few games can register in steam.

Yeah I hope too, it is an awesome game.. but on Steam it is 15€ more expensive than retail :( (33€ in czech e-shops, 48€ retail) .. if it'll can be registered through Steam, I will instantly buy it..

[doomguy64]

Would be nice if we could pre load this at least a few days before it comes out.

[TLove]

This thread should be sticky'd

[Raznor09]

how do you refund a preordered game through steam??

[Steakslim]

contact Steam support to have the order cancelled and refunded?

[Raznor09]

k i did the ask a question in the support page hopefully they contact back soon

[Steakslim]

It shouldn't take long to respond to you. The last time I had a purchasing issue with Steam, they had blocked/denied my debit card number, but for good reason in fear that it was fraud (I had entered some information wrong along with the number that made them suspicious, so I appreciate the concern they showed). After a quick two emails, the matter was explained and sorted in one evening.

[Dwarden]

just to keep You in touch, nothing is forgotten the FAQs are coming but atm there are more importants things (like the patch and demo :)

[Razermatt]

I have quite a few questions about Arma2 on steam, I really don't like having DRM/Spyware on my system, so I see fit that I should ask these questions.

-Is there spyware, does the game spy on your activities? Does the game leave its data directories and its own memory?

-Is there any software that detects "unauthorized" applications to prevent the game from running? (such as iso mounting programs)

-Is there DRM and if so what type?

-If DRM/Spyware is included, why is it included even when it will be cracked within a few days if it is not already cracked and removed?

-How does that "FADE" system detect an "unauthorized" copy, does it scan your computer?

-Is the game compatible with linux, will it work in wine?

thanks in advance.

[BOTA:16]

Maybe the game should come with a tinfoil hat too...

[galzohar]

I have quite a few questions about Arma2 on steam, I really don't like having DRM/Spyware on my system, so I see fit that I should ask these questions.

-Is there spyware, does the game spy on your activities? Does the game leave its data directories and its own memory?

-Is there any software that detects "unauthorized" applications to prevent the game from running? (such as iso mounting programs)

-Is there DRM and if so what type?

-If DRM/Spyware is included, why is it included even when it will be cracked within a few days if it is not already cracked and removed?

-How does that "FADE" system detect an "unauthorized" copy, does it scan your computer?

-Is the game compatible with linux, will it work in wine?

thanks in advance.
Are you asking about Steam specifically or in general? For the Steam version nobody can answer as it's not released yet and thus nobody tried it, and we got no official responses yet.

For the non-steam version, I'll try to answer to the best of my knoledge, but can't guarantee correctness:

-Depends if you define Securom as spyware... Look up Securom on google or whatever for more information.

- Securom definitely (at least) detects stuff like Dameon tools and the likes.

-Again, Securom for verifying CD in drive for CD versions, and installation limit for downloaded versions. Whehter Steam will have any is unknown.

-Because including DRM makes you actually have to search for the crack, and you know how much people suck at searching.

-Not much is known, but it seems that an improperly modified arma2.exe causes this (as well as duplicate CD-keys on a server?).

-I don't know, but why use linux for gaming? It's like driving to work with a motorboat - sure it works in some cases but in general it's very inappropriate ;)

[Stiler]

For Steam games generally Steam itself is the only sort of DRM.

If a game has third party DRM (IE Securom) it will say it in the game info).

Steam doesn't blacklist any programs and as far as spying goes...yeah, they sometimes have survevys and server statics and such to collect data.

All of which they public for people to see (IE what specs people have, etc). Nothing personal or such.

[JimmyJizzle]

Forget all this DRM stuff, how do we get the Steam overlay to work in ArmA 2? ^_^

[Keva161]

the steam overlay isnt working when i add the game to steam :(

[Gimpymoo]

I hope it works with the STEAM version.. I know that sounds stupid but it is the same 1.02 version.

[papoose244]

I hope bis and steam make it possible for people with the DVD to register the game on steam.

[Gimpymoo]

Obviously, VALVE charge for that so it is an un-needed expense.

If you want it on STEAM, buy it on STEAM :)

[Jonin]

I wonder if we need to go ahead and get the 1.02 patch, or if it will be included with the Steam release.

[Steakslim]

You'll know when you get the game. If it isn't patched to 1.02, i'm sure it'd be no problem to manually do so. If you want, d/l the patch now and have it ready before you preload/download it from Steam, just in case.

[Jonin]

Already done.

[Farr612]

The steam version will be 1.02 so no need to patch on release day.

[BF2_Trooper]

I don't think it's a good idea to manually patch a STEAM game from a non-STEAM source isnt it? I heard somewhere that games under STEAM should always be patched by STEAM itself.

[Duffo]

Is demo coming to steam? That would be great as it's good program to download games like this

[papoose244]

Obviously, VALVE charge for that so it is an un-needed expense.

If you want it on STEAM, buy it on STEAM :)


I didnt know they charged to bad it would help with friends ect.

[Bigtnaples]

Will there be a preload available? Or will we just have to all start downloading the game at once when it comes out on friday?

[anfiach]

we will crash their servers :)

[REXinator]

I am just wondering if Steam will be releasing the demo for this game as it is the place where i download most of my games from.

I can see it is releasing the game itself as well so is a demo from them possible to make for easier (more reliable) downloading?

[Dwarden]

it's all being worked on ... please be patient ... a lil bit longer :)

[anfiach]

it's all being worked on ... please be patient ... a lil bit longer :)

Translation:

All things which should previously have been done will now be done at the last minute or post release. :D

[BF2_Trooper]

Are there going to be STEAM features like the ability to automatically join your friend on whatever sever he is in? Or being able to invite your friends through steam to the server you are currently in?

[Owen[AUS]]

Official Release date in Australia is the 26th.
Steam Release date in Aus is the 30th.

:(

[RookStrike]

Just found this Valve note (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=903468) posted on Steam's Arma forum:


Hi Everyone,

ArmA 2 on Vista uses D3D9Ex (a special Vista only D3D9 version) on Vista by default. Because of this the Steam in-game overlay isn't currently working. You can run Arma2 with the -winxp command line option to use normal D3D9 and the overlay will work. It's my understanding that there is very little disadvantage to running with -winxp and you'll see the same graphics quality as without it, though the ArmA guys could do a better job verifying that.

We're also hoping to have a beta Steam client out later today or sometime tomorrow which will add support for D3D9Ex in our overlay. When that beta appears you should be able to opt in (File->Settings menu) and then you'll get the overlay on Vista without the -winxp command line option.

Not quite sure what this means. Does this mean that Arma II cannot be launched using the Steam client?

[galzohar]

This means that to use the overlay in Vista you will need to use the -winxp parameter until Steam fixes the issue.

[Blakord]

Ok guys the launcher is ready, I’m just waiting for get Steam version for adjust the steam behavior

Features:
Name. Dogs of War Arma Launch Pad
Version. 2.0
License. GNU GPL, depots and web pages feel free to re-distribute it
Release. Few days after ArmA II steam version release
OS. Tested at XP, Vista 32 and 64, MS framework updated required
Price. Everyone have to invite me a beer ohh yeah :)

*Friendly interface
*You can set it for Operation Flashpoint (the original from BIS), Armed Assault, Armed Assault 2 and Armed Assault 2 Steam version, (all in 1 launcher)
*You can manage add-ons (independent for every seted game)
*The standard add-ons are independent of sound mod (you can select all add-ons you need but only 1 mod sound at time)
*You can manage your favorite server list for launch directly as multiplayer connecting to server, and this list will show you if servers are online and ping rate
*Manage all profiles you need
*You can preset all options, add-ons, mod sound, multiplayer server, direct click common parameters (empty world, windows, skip intro) and custom parameters for all profiles
*You can see all presented option when you select any profile in the main screen, all options can be selected or unselected on the fly in the main screen before launch without save your profile changes
*Multi language supported, by default distributed on English and Spanish, just put new lang file edited on word pad on lang directory and the launcher will get it (WTF… is this necessary?)

[NoRCoN]

Just found this Valve note (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=903468) posted on Steam's Arma forum:



Not quite sure what this means. Does this mean that Arma II cannot be launched using the Steam client?

Not at all. All they are referring to not working is what is called the "STEAM Overlay." It allows you to push a key combination in game to pull up the community/overlay features (chat, web browser, et cetera). This is very similar to the Xfire in-game overlay.

STEAM should launch the game just fine.

[RookStrike]

Ahh, got it. Thanks for explaining that, NoRCon.

[Sir Finkus]

I've got the steam version of arma 2 pre-ordered. That list of app ids posted by someone else is a bit out of date. The app id is 33909.

[Placebo]

Posts about a steam app can go in the steam thread, don't need two steam separate threads.

[Tiger_26]

I have done the search option but it keeps bringing me vaugly to this topic, not onto any specific post, so please dont curse me.

After reading through the 1st 7-8 pages I still havent found the answer (it's been skirted around, nothing specific)


Will ArmA2 autopatch through steam...(not mods...Patching only concern)

I was hoping it would preload as with AA3 but no joy there, now I'm worried it wont autopatch which is the main reason I purchased on steam....That and In EBgame Australia it's supposedly out for late Aug release as opposed to 30 Jun on Steam

[Placebo]

You can search the actual thread using the search function, rather than the whole forums, that said I'm not sure if it has been answered yet, Dwarden is the man to ask.

[Tiger_26]

Thanks...someone stated Australia's official release was 26 Jun, just wondering where they got that as EBgames.au states late Aug release (also direct from EB employee).

[Gimpymoo]

The Australia STEAM release is still the 30th June. No idea on retail. Sorry.

[Bigtnaples]

I have done the search option but it keeps bringing me vaugly to this topic, not onto any specific post, so please dont curse me.

After reading through the 1st 7-8 pages I still havent found the answer (it's been skirted around, nothing specific)


Will ArmA2 autopatch through steam...(not mods...Patching only concern)

I was hoping it would preload as with AA3 but no joy there, now I'm worried it wont autopatch which is the main reason I purchased on steam....That and In EBgame Australia it's supposedly out for late Aug release as opposed to 30 Jun on Steam


All games on steam autopatch. I have over 50 steam game and I have never had to DL a patch manually for any of them.

[Crazy Chris]

Hello all,
I'm (obviously) new to the forum (long time listener) and I loved ARMA. I've been thinking of picking up A2 on Steam when it's available in NA, but I've never used Steam. I've heard from a couple of friends that it's somewhat limiting in comparison to a hard copy of a given game. Can anyone confirm the accuracy of this?
I'm willing to wait a few extra days if there are any limitations (outside of securom activations etc) on what servers you can play on, etc.
Thanks

[NoRCoN]

Dwarden posted a FAQ this morning (my time) that pretty much covered all my concerns over purchasing through STEAM rather than grabbing a retail copy (patching, modding, et cetera).

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=904059

And you can submit questions to go in the FAQ here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=892315

[Crazy Chris]

Dwarden posted a FAQ this morning (my time) that pretty much covered all my concerns over purchasing through STEAM rather than grabbing a retail copy (patching, modding, et cetera).

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=904059

And you can submit questions to go in the FAQ here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=892315

Excellent, thanks for this. I think I will be d/l the Steam version. :D

[NoRCoN]

Excellent, thanks for this. I think I will be d/l the Steam version. :D

No problem. :)

That's how I will be purchasing the game. Word on the street (according to the FAQ) is that the demo will release through STEAM as well.