What's the best racing sim

[Stewy]

G'day guys,

I'm a bit out of the loop with racing sims - I loved the Grand Prix series (up to GP2/3 - GP4 sucked) and so with a new rig, I was wondering, what's the best racing sim at the moment.

Any genre is fine, but prefer Formula 1, Nascar, even rally, looking for a game that has a lot of freedom of input (the 'controlled' steering of gp4 sicked) and that isn't too difficult for the weekend gamer...

My rig is kind of ok, so new stuff should be fine...

Keen for your opinions! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Cheers
Stew

[oyman]

GTR2
rFactor
Live for speed

[Smiley Nick]

Live for speed, by miles.


LFS can support a lot of input, including the G25 racing wheel.
And it has Formula1 car/track that will make your eyes come out of your sockets, breaking down from 200mph to 60mph in a few seconds! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif


It’s not as pretty as the others, but its like the ofp of racing. Good community and realistic values.


http://www.lfs.net/ http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Mr Burns]

Richard Burns Rally
rFactor
Live for speed
GTR2

[Balschoiw]

GTR 2
Richard Burns Rally

and more arcadish :
TOCA Race Driver 3

for total wreckage with good fun-factor:
Flatout 2

[CameronMcDonald]

I always liked the Colin McRae series... if only Dirt would work on my blasted computer. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/mad_o.gif

Need For Speed is fun if you like total unrealism, shiny cars, spike strips and R + B... Porsche Unleashed was the best NFS title ever, IMHO - after that things just went... ghetto.

[SHWiiNG]

if your talking for just PC probably the colin Mcrae series and GTR2, but for consoles hands down it will the forethcoming release of Grand turismo HD

[Stewy]

Thanks guys for your advice - just got LFS S2 and it is incredible!http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif Thanks again for your help http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

Stew

[Smiley Nick]

good choice http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Espectro]

Yeo, LFS rocks... we had a BI community team ealier... what happend to that?

[Mr Burns]

Yeo, LFS rocks... we had a BI community team ealier... what happend to that?
Try here: http://liveforspeed.gotf.net/forums/index.php http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[Smiley Nick]

Yeo, LFS rocks... we had a BI community team ealier... what happend to that?
Yeh we did set up "Flashpoint Racing" back before Arma was released.

Unfortunately it lost interest. Like most things http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

http://flashpoint-racing.lohikaarme.org

The website is still there, and could be re used if someone has the time to manage it all.

Nick

[Placebo]

Forza 2 on the 360 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif I played PGR4 this week but I'm not impressed http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[wex-q]

MotoGP 07 on the 360 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[the_shadow]

i have to vote for Richard Burns Rally in the rally genre...
maybe becouse im currently involved in a "national" RBR championship :P (no, im not winning, im just trying not to come last)

[MehMan]

Gene Rally. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif It's free, simple and fun. No steering wheel needed. Also, it supports multiplayer on one computer http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif.

[Tawalkana]

Nascar Racing 2003. Game is emazing

[MehMan]

Just tried the FlatOut2 demo, fun. A lot of fun.

[VaiHalen]

You should try Sim Bin's Race07. The best I have played (and probably played all).

[Gunny1987]

rFactor with F1 1979 mod http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Maddmatt]

You should try Sim Bin's Race07. The best I have played (and probably played all).
I'm wondering what's changed since the last one? Seems good, I'll give it a try some time. Got a Logitech MOMO steering that I should put to good use.

Tried Race on the free weekend a while ago. Even though the free weekend is over, the game wont deactivate as long as I don't let it connect to the net http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Of course no online play then. Didn't play it much though, had some graphics issues which were probably cause by the drivers I had.

So yea, what's changed in Race 07? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif



BTW, Flatout 2 is awesome. Far from a sim, but the damage system is cool http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[VaiHalen]

You should try Sim Bin's Race07. The best I have played (and probably played all).
I'm wondering what's changed since the last one? Seems good, I'll give it a try some time. Got a Logitech MOMO steering that I should put to good use.

Tried Race on the free weekend a while ago. Even though the free weekend is over, the game wont deactivate as long as I don't let it connect to the net http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Of course no online play then. Didn't play it much though, had some graphics issues which were probably cause by the drivers I had.

So yea, what's changed in Race 07? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif



BTW, Flatout 2 is awesome. Far from a sim, but the damage system is cool http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
I never owned previus Race sim, but this is incredible. The sense of speed, physics, sound. It's a pleasure drive this cars. There is a good selection of car clases, from BMW Formula to 87 WTCC.
My favorite view is the action camera, no other sim has it and I like a lot drive using it.

BTW maybe I should try Flatout 2 just for fun http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

[brataccas]

Thanks guys for your advice - just got LFS S2 and it is incredible!http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif Thanks again for your help http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

Stew
hey I love that game, you should come race me sometime http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

btw everyones forgetting GTLEGENDS!!! play it on loud volume and damn its a good experiance http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/inlove.gif supports trackIR too

[wika_woo]

Oh yeah.. Live For Speed is one of the best race sims out IMO, for the PC that is. especially if your into drift..

I even did a video on LFS s2
Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydEas5MnT08)

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif

[TrevorOfCrete]

cant go wrong with either rfactor or live for speed. Also gt 4 is awsome on console.

[Mr Burns]

Anybody who hasn´t stuck his nose into GTR2 yet might want to give BMW M3 Challenge a try.
It´s made by 10tacle and Blimey on the same engine that GTR2 uses. In terms of content it´s nothing more than a demo (1 car, 2 tracks), but it´s fun as hell - especially in MP!

M3 Challenge Homepage (http://www.m3-challenge.com/index.php?id=2&L=0)


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Additionally there´s a color mod available too:

Quote[/b] ]The doubled colors made me kinda sick ...
I know that theres already a nice color mod available, but i rather do things myself.

Have phun.
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[Bracken]

Gene Rally. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif It&#39;s free, simple and fun. No steering wheel needed. Also, it supports multiplayer on one computer http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif.
Haha, I use to play that abit also&#33;
Best fun was when you had six people on a small laptop keyboard.. elbowing played a bigger part than the racing i think http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Making tracks was also fun, don&#39;t suppose you have ever played LF2 either have you http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif? Same sort of style game.

[wika_woo]

BMW M3 challenge is awesome for a free game and online too.

But it&#39;s all GTR 2 a-like..

It&#39;s great if you have everything switched off.

You can feel it better (physics).

OMG, generally is funny as hell, tried out the drift car sets?..

It&#39;s good fun if you want something quick to play...

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif

[MehMan]

Gene Rally. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif It&#39;s free, simple and fun. No steering wheel needed. Also, it supports multiplayer on one computer http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif.
Haha, I use to play that abit also&#33;
Best fun was when you had six people on a small laptop keyboard.. elbowing played a bigger part than the racing i think  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Making tracks was also fun, don&#39;t suppose you have ever played LF2 either have you http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif?  Same sort of style game.
Oh yeah, LF2 was lots of fun too, hehe. But I hardly ever figured out any combos, and most of them got screwed due to the three keys pressed limit on one keyboard http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif. Was fun to screw the opponents combo with a skillful keyboard input block.

[Balschoiw]

I bought two games yesterday.
Witcher and GT Legends.
I installed GT Legends first, just to have a short look.
Well...
I haven´t even installed Witcher up to now http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

GT Legends is pure, freaking fun &#33;
The cars are a dream for anyone who´s a bit interested in classic motorsports. BMW, Mercedes 300, Austin Mini, Shelby classics, Fords, etc, etc.
The racing is tough and very, very realistic and imo it feels more close-to real for all of us who have a car as the racecars from today as represented in GTR 2 for example.
It´s simply nuts to drive a race with an Abarth 1000 or with a classic Mini.
So much fun &#33;
I also went to the car dealer and did a test drive with cars i can´t currently afford and the oure power of some is incredible. No traction-control, no ABS, no electronics but sheer power with some of them. Some are real beasts.
One of the most outstanding things about this game is the sound.
Some of the engines sound like hell let loose. Incredible.
I have a rather good Cambridge 5.1 system and it´s awesome how the cars sound if you bring the volume to a "near-reality-level".

Grab it &#33;

Now I´m off to install Witcher...hm...
No. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Balschoiw]

I thought I´d get best input from racefreaks here, so pls don´t redirect me to the hardware thread.
The issue:
My Enzo Ferrari FFB Wheel is slowly paying it´s tribute to my electronic race career. While the main unit with wheel is still working topnotch I lately have problems with broken springs in the pedals unit. I managed to make some replacement springs on my own by using springsteel and coldformed it, but I´m pretty sure that it will not take long until I have to fix it again.

I have checked quite a number of reviews of FFB wheels and it looks to me that the MOMO and the G25 seem to be ok. What I want to know is if they are built well, able to withstand a Rallye freak like me who drives pretty much and long. I´ve read that springs are a problem with almost any wheels available, so I´m also thinking about building the pedals on my own with a hydraulic solution instead of the springs.

My questions:

- What wheels do you use ?
- Any spring issues ?
- Spare parts available ?
- Any recommondation for a page where people built their own input devices for racing ?
- Anyone got an old Enzo Ferrari FFB he wants to trade, so that I can gain some spare parts from it ? ( PM only)

Thx. I don´t feel well, if my wheel doesn´t feel well http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif

BTW: Have you checked this wheel ?
http://i9.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/d8/17/d8f4_1.JPG
500 Euros http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/goodnight.gif

[oyman]

get this now, G25 (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/playstation_3/devices/131&cl=us,en), i has one and its good much very

[Smiley Nick]

G25 is one of the best wheels you can get, but it comes with a hefty price tag too.

I have the g25 and touch wood, nothing has gone wrong with it, and I also vigorously use it on all sorts of racing software. You also get one years manufacture guarantee with the G25 if anything should go wrong.

No spring or deadzones have arisen yet, and I don’t think they will, everything about the wheel has that solid heavy durable feeling.

Not sure about the spare parts, but you get a year’s free manufacture guarantee if anything should go wrong.

http://forum.racesimcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?f=186 Is a good start to check out other peoples setups, you might be able to PM them about any of their custom gear if you want to go down that route. However you might find the majority of people use the G25 for hardware.


I have a friend who has had his Momo for over two years, and he only is now getting some small teething problems.

If you’re a serious racer, your best choices are G25 of the MOMO.

Hope that helped.

[SHWiiNG]

Wow, fairly soon they will allow you to pass your driving test in the comfort of your own living room http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

[kavoven]

/me likes the new search function... :D

Today my copy of Race Driver Grid arrived. Amazon.de sold it from friday to montay for 20 Euros, thats why I played the demo and I was amazed.

After 4 hours of gaming this evening I can say that its definatly the best racing game I've ever played...Especially the events in Japan have taken me...
And sometimes the graphics are so good that you think (for a moment) you're watching TV and not playing a computer game! :)

[sparks50]

Its an entertaining game, but leans more on the arcade side to be honest.
I always found there to be something very strange with the steering in that game.

But the graphics and damage system is spectacular though.

[Maddmatt]

Couldn't stand the driving model in Grid myself. Cool damage model but the rest sucks IMO.

For comparison I drove the BMW E46 in the demo, then loaded up Race 07 and drove the same car. Don't feel remotely alike.

[Prydain]

GRID is pretty bad, not as bad as its name though.

I would not say the damage model is excellent but it does its job I suppose. They could do more to make the damage lessen performance and make more parts detachable, currently you can go at 130mph into the back of a F3 car in a braking zone and pretty much come out with the ugly scratch textures and a yellow warning on the steering damage indicator. The online leader boards are broken too, I did a 11:08.69 on Donnington and someone with a worse time is ahead of that when I checked, pretty strange. I hope F1 2010 comes with better damage models, better simulation and pit stops to move it away from the arcade BS it is at now.

LFS isn't perfect and certainly isn't pretty but at least effort is going into it.

[Balschoiw]

I´m having my eyes on iracing right now.
Looks like the new heavyweigt of racesims.
Biggest letdowns are the pricing policy and the non-existant offline racemode for me.
Video preview here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbAC-PV3lZI&hl=de)

Racedriver Grid is an arcade racer and apart from the gfx it´s rubbish. The AI is stupid and suicidal and there is no
simulation of car´s physics that comes even close to the real thing at all. Codemasters approach to racing.
I´m already throwing up when I read that they are doing a F1 -"simulation".

Funracing ? Stay away from Dirt, Grid or other Codie-nonsense and get Burnout paradise. It serves what
Need for Speed was aiming for and actually works like a blast.

[oyman]

I tried iracing for a month. It was pretty cool, better ffb than gtr2/gtr evo.

All I got to drive was the pontiac solstice and the legends car. The physics on the soltice are like a wtcc car in gtr evo. Like no downforce, little power and front wheel drive.

People were telling me that it takes about a month to upgrade your license to be able to drive a better car.

Heres one experiance I had with iracing,

When I got in my first race on limerock with the soltices's I started around 10th out of ~18. Made it past 1st corner good and passed a couple of guys off the line. When the 2nd corner came up someguy rammed my rear bumper and it sent us both sliding into the grass. I even slid into a safety wall.

And in iracing there is a points system. Each time you ram a car, get a wheel off into grass/dirt, or just over-brake and end up in the grass or into a safety wall you will lose points.

I lost like 30 points that race. A little notice came up on top of screen with every point getting taken from me while I was in the grass trying to get control of the car and back on track.

So from a accident not caused by me I lost a ton of points and makes my record look like Im a wrecker.

Its not that exspensive, I think its $19 a month. Overall iracing is the best sim but I like just getting into gtr evo and driving a GT car better than having to wait for my license to upgrade or paying every month.
:don2:.

[Maddmatt]

iRacing has great car handling. But the price is a bit insane IMO.

If you want a free 1-month trial that comes with the Radical SR8 and some other tracks, go here:
http://www.radicalsportscars.com/racing/virtual-racing
You even get to keep that stuff if you continue with a subscription.

I gave it a go, and found that it just wasn't for me. I'd rather play GTR Evolution. GTR Evo or rFactor with certain mods is about as close as you can get to iRacing realism.

Personally I don't think iRacing is that special. And with rFactor 2, NFS: SHIFT (no that's not a joke!), and whatever Simbin is working on with their new engine all on their way iRacing is going to look even less attractive for those looking to enjoy some realistic racing.

Need for Speed: SHIFT is going to be the first NFS game that will be a simulation. It's being worked on by the same guys that made the GTR and GTL games as well as a physics programmer from Richard Burns Rally.
Website: shift.needforspeed.com
Hard to believe, but it really looks like it's going to be a sim.

[sk3pt]

I haven't used my Logitech MOMO wheel for years, not since I stopped playing Richard Burns Rally. NFS:SHIFT looks interesting, they just can't go wrong with such a team !

[SpeedyDonkey]

Hi guys!

I have read this entire topic now and I’m glad to see so much talk about LFS (Live for speed)

Roughly three weeks ago I was enjoying a fantastic race when I had to pit, unfortunately I spun after refueling my vehicle due to the high speed I had in the spin I hit the wall with incredible impact (roughly 150 km/h) As a result of this the vehicle flew up in the air, landing quite near the two green dumpsters seen in the picture below (the car landed upside down).

After this event I really started to play around with the idea of repeating this stunt but with all the four wheels on the ground. I fear that landing on the dumpster would tip the car over, or in worst case break the front wing off.

So I figured it’d have to land between the two green ones.

I’ve been thinking of different ways to achieve this.
This first picture illustrates the gap in the fence which is the ideal spot to hit (obviously).

http://www.suckysuckylongtime.com/pics/pic1.jpg

Here you can clearly see the path _I THINK_ my car took the one time I actually got there.

http://www.suckysuckylongtime.com/pics/pic2.jpg

This is an edited picture of how I imagine it to look if I land properly.

http://www.suckysuckylongtime.com/pics/pic3.jpg

And in this final picture you can clearly see the speed which is required to successfully master this stunt.

http://www.suckysuckylongtime.com/pics/pic4.jpg

So far I have NOT successful with this, so I’m asking all of you pro’s of your opinion.

Also, sorry about the graphics I'm on a laptop.

INFO:

Track: Blackwood GP
Weather: Sunny (NO WIND)
Car: FBM

thx.

[sparks50]

Haha, go for it :)

[Maddmatt]

That the same Formula BMW as in Race 07/GTR Evo? How does it compare in terms of handling and physics? Just curious.

[DracoN]

GTR Evo is the Best

[Raptor13270]

That the same Formula BMW as in Race 07/GTR Evo? How does it compare in terms of handling and physics? Just curious.

Yes, LFS has the same Formula BMW as Race 07. I think LFS's FBM feels more responsive than the one in Race 07. It is a lot more difficult to recover from a slide in Race 07 due to the Simbin engine I think, since I had that problem in GTR 2 as well.

[kavoven]

I played GTR Evo and I can tell that this game isn't more realistic than others. If you start sliding or make a quick move while driving at >100 kmh the Audi R8 for example immedietly gets out of controll... this simply isn't realistic.

Further there is no real damage modell, the general physics (not the driving ones) are bad, the graphics can't compete with 2008 graphic engines and I didn't get any feeling for the speed.

[Balschoiw]

What do you mean by "others" ?
Right now there are only a few race-simulations competing with GTR Evo:

LFS (dated)
Rfactor (dated)
iracing (expensive)

That´s it. Grid, Dirt are funracers and no racesims, not even close.


If you start sliding or make a quick move while driving at >100 kmh the Audi R8 for example immedietly gets out of controll... this simply isn't realistic.
It isn´t ? You´re not driving a comfortable setup for the road but a GT setup for the racetrack. The GT3 series "R16" has no 4WD, but 500 PS on it´s rear wheels.
Are you driving with a wheel or gamepad ?


Further there is no real damage modell
Nonsense, the damage model is very complex. Every component of the car can be damaged and it will directly influence the behaviour of the car.
Maybe you should turn realism on. :rolleyes: I just had a nice experience when I lost my front spoiler and did a short flight into the air on the "Nordschleife" going uphill with the wind lifting up the car because of the missing spoiler. Those are the moments...:D


the graphics can't compete with 2008 graphic engines
:confused:
What more do you want ?!? It´s a racesim, depicting tracks, cars in an accurate manner. This is no arcade game with unrealistic motionblur.
It has features that are unique like the adjustable appendix to curves, adjustable seat, a camera function that is really good and a selection of accurately simulated cars that are fun driving. I like to drive the old BMW. It has no driving aids at all and is a real bitch to master. But it´s terribly funny if you get it going.

The reason why you "get no feeling for speed" may be that you are driving on raceways that are not comparable to general roads, apart from sections or city courses in the game that are riven on regular roadways with security measures on their sides. This is no "Crash the car in the city you know" game, but a racesim that is far ahead of the arcade-racers in every way. Maybe the gfx are not so boom-bang, but tbh I even still race with GP legends that is really dated by now but is a masterpiece of racing and the cars are real beasts.

In the end that´s what this thread is about:
"What´s the best racing sim", not "What´s the best Poo-poo Codemasters arcade nonsense, formerly known as Colin Mc Something or Race driver series."

[Maddmatt]

I played GTR Evo and I can tell that this game isn't more realistic than others. If you start sliding or make a quick move while driving at >100 kmh the Audi R8 for example immedietly gets out of controll... this simply isn't realistic.

I disagree. GTR Evo is one of the more realistic sims around.

The Audi R8 is so different to any of the other cars in the game that I think it is a pretty useless example to use for a comparison. It's the only 4wd car in the game.
And I find it almost never loses control. I can't imagine how you lose control so easily because it's one of the most stable cars out of all race sims :confused:
Hell it's even easy to do drifting in it. There was an episode of Top Gear with it and the presenter found the real one great to drift in as well..



Further there is no real damage modell, the general physics (not the driving ones) are bad, the graphics can't compete with 2008 graphic engines and I didn't get any feeling for the speed.
Compared to what? All the available race sims have trouble in those areas.

As for the feeling of speed, how do you expect to get a feeling of speed on a computer? The cars have the same speed as they have in real life. The arcade games only achieve it because the speeds in them are unrealistic.

The game does have a decent damage model. No worse than the other race sims. Visually it's bad but then again GRID's damage model looks great but it's hardly realistic - you can't even puncture a tyre.


Sadly all the available race sims at the moment are pretty crap when you compare them to other types of games. Dated graphics, bad AI, bad visual damage and so on. But we have rFactor 2, NFS: SHIFT, whatever Simbin is doing with the physics engine and possibly another that a certain rFactor mod team is involved in. So we should be getting some awesome sims eventually.

[kavoven]

Though some people shift GRID into the arcade sector, I think that the game has all those aspects I mentioned. The damage system is great (I really like(!) crashing into tires), the graphics are sometimes close to real and even the AI has its moments.



It isn´t ? You´re not driving a comfortable setup for the road but a GT setup for the racetrack. The GT3 series "R16" has no 4WD, but 500 PS on it´s rear wheels.
Are you driving with a wheel or gamepad ?
Wheel, but each time I change the direction I get the feeling its too late. Steering seems really indirect.
Further I even enabled ESP system. But when you're on a long, straight part of the track and just turn the wheel a tiny bit you immediatly feel force feedback pushing into the other direction.



Nonsense, the damage model is very complex. Every component of the car can be damaged and it will directly influence the behaviour of the car.
Maybe you should turn realism on. I just had a nice experience when I lost my front spoiler and did a short flight into the air on the "Nordschleife" going uphill with the wind lifting up the car because of the missing spoiler. Those are the moments...


When you set your car with 300 kmh into a wall you'll lose some parts, but after the car looks like before. And losing the front spoiler was already possible in Formula 1 95 for Play Station...



[R8]There was an episode of Top Gear with it and the presenter found the real one great to drift in as well..


I know that the R8 is a great car but I suspect that it hardly drives like the one in the game.



As for the feeling of speed, how do you expect to get a feeling of speed on a computer? The cars have the same speed as they have in real life. The arcade games only achieve it because the speeds in them are unrealistic.

I didn't see any kind of motion blur effect. This might be because it was disabled on the computer, but motion blur is the only solution to get some kind of "wow you're really fast right now" feeling. And I can assure you that you have this kind of effect while driving at such a high speed.



The game does have a decent damage model. No worse than the other race sims. Visually it's bad but then again GRID's damage model looks great but it's hardly realistic - you can't even puncture a tyre.

Tires may be a bit solid, but when you're crashing into an opponent you see via a small screen that your tires are damaged. Doing that a few times and your tire will be broken.
The rest of the damage system IS realistic in my opinion.

[Maddmatt]

Though some people shift GRID into the arcade sector, I think that the game has all those aspects I mentioned. The damage system is great (I really like(!) crashing into tires), the graphics are sometimes close to real and even the AI has its moments.

But it goes into the arcade sector because the cars don't behave anything like the real thing.
IMO calling the graphics close to real is a joke. I know it's way ahead of Evo in graphics, but it still has that typical Codemasters cartoonish (over saturated) look.



Wheel, but each time I change the direction I get the feeling its too late. Steering seems really indirect.
Further I even enabled ESP system. But when you're on a long, straight part of the track and just turn the wheel a tiny bit you immediatly feel force feedback pushing into the other direction.

The fact that you race with ESP hints that you don't have much experience in racing sims.
Real race cars are rarely fitted with ESP.
Steering feeling indirect sounds like input lag.



When you set your car with 300 kmh into a wall you'll lose some parts, but after the car looks like before. And losing the front spoiler was already possible in Formula 1 95 for Play Station...

The old dated engine doesn't support damage that looks great visually. But you need to look past the visuals and at the function.




I know that the R8 is a great car but I suspect that it hardly drives like the one in the game.

No idea, never driven the real one. But it's hardly the main focus of the game.
With it's 4-wheel drive system it wont handle anything like the other cars.
But really, when you're comparing it to Grid the car physics in Evo is the last thing you should be criticising.



I didn't see any kind of motion blur effect. This might be because it was disabled on the computer, but motion blur is the only solution to get some kind of "wow you're really fast right now" feeling. And I can assure you that you have this kind of effect while driving at such a high speed.

This is a racing sim, not NFS. It's about realistic car physics, not fancy shaders.
If you've read race sim forums you'll know many race simmers are not fans of fake effects like blur.
Besides, this again comes down to the dated engine. Blur is far from a significant feature when you're looking for a realistic racing sim.



Tires may be a bit solid, but when you're crashing into an opponent you see via a small screen that your tires are damaged. Doing that a few times and your tire will be broken.
The rest of the damage system IS realistic in my opinion.
It's visually realistic, but not physically realistic. GTR Evo's one probably isn't either, but it's probably closer than Grid.

Grid may have some fancy graphical effects and nice shaders but the cars don't handle anything like the real thing. It does not touch GTR Evo or the other race sims when it comes to car physics.

Adding motion blur does not make a racing game any closer to a simulation if the physics are not even right.
Really, you're comparing an arcade game to a simulation - a low budget simulation on a dated engine.

[SAbre4809]

When you set your car with 300 kmh into a wall you'll lose some parts, but after the car looks like before. And losing the front spoiler was already possible in Formula 1 95 for Play Station...

Things like this indicate an Arcade gamer, try a race with lots of AI, full race weekend, practice, learn car setup, immersion into the Race weekend. That is where sim racing shines not, crashing, doing short races with auto qualifying, admiring the great graphics while you outbrake someone from 150 meters back into a hairpin and then hit the apex at 3 times the speed the car would be capable of(GRID).

GRID, NFS = BF2, COD1-200000.
GTR 2, GTR Evo, LFS, Netakr pro, rFactor = Ofp, ARMA1-2.
iRacing = VBS2 (It will when it gets developed more, right now it struggles in some areas)
About the 'spoiler' thing, well its actually a splitter and front wing on the F1 car, he was talking about the fact that it affects the cars handling, lost a huge rear wing off an Aston in GRID recently, no affect...at all.


On a side note, I played my flatmates GRID and since when do bridges and anything going across the track above, BARK at you. It sounds like a bad dog bark imatation.

F1 sims. Anyone got hope of CM producing a sim worthy of GP2, GP3, GP4 days. They seem to be making a hash of DR which they claimed to try and make a sim, so I think we might have to wait another 10 or so years for a proper F1 sim return.

[Balschoiw]

Though some people shift GRID into the arcade sector, I think that the game has all those aspects I mentioned. The damage system is great (I really like(!) crashing into tires), the graphics are sometimes close to real and even the AI has its moments.
It is an arcade racer. The vehicle handling and driving physics are very dumbed down to make it playable for arcade customers. Read some reviews. I played the demo and imo it is nowhere near a simulation. It´s the same as with Dirt where I didn´t even need the handbrake once and the driving physics where so dumbed down that it was so easy to drive as a bobbycar. Simulation is different. Drive Richard Burns Rally and see what a real simulated car looks like and drives like.
The damage system in Grid is visual only mostly. You can still win a race with a totally fuckedup car, don´t know where this should be realistic. There is no pitlane either, neither are there qualifying runs, nor car setups, something that is pretty essential for a sim. There may be no real damage visuals for GTR Evo but under the hood there are the damages and they will directly cause the car to behave different. This goes from the engine, chassis, aerodynamic damages, subsystems to suspension, wheels, etc. You even receive engine damage if you constantly shift to late. In a longer race this will blow up your engine. If you are a hotshot and always stress the brakes by braking to late the brakes will be damaged as well as the tires. If you have a race lasting 50 or 60 rounds on a course with 4 km´s you will not have any control over your car if you don´t drive reasonable or have a good pit-strategy. This is what makes a sim, not some supadupa visual effects of disintegrating car bodyworks that have no or only little effects on a non-existing aracde driving physics system.
The AI drivers in grid are a joke at best and are a longterm frustration.
I´m playing the GTR series for years now, still playing GT Legends and GTR EVO, siding with Richard Burns, Grand Prix Legends. Those are Sims and that´s why they provide longterm motivation. Once you win a 40 lap race against AI set to 100 percent and with all settings on realistic you know what you have done and you´ll just sit there and enjoy the winners lap. It takes really hard work and concentration to get there, along with a setup that has to be worked out and a good pitlane strategy. This is what makes a sim 100 times more interesting than an arcade racer.
I also play arcade racers if I don´t have time to start a fullscale sim-round. I like Burnout paradise, Flatout Full Carnage and some other programs on my comp, but those are really arcade racers that don´t try to make themselves look like halfhearted sims.
You shouldn´t mix up things that are really not to be mixed up.


I know that the R8 is a great car but I suspect that it hardly drives like the one in the game.
I have only driven the R8 on a regular road but imo the car is pretty well made in GTR Evo apart from the sound, that´s also weak in the real car from the inside but still not as weak as in GTR. It may look like a supersportscar from the design but it´s handling and acceleration is not that convincing imo. The R8 has a great handling when driving straight but is reacting very hectic over the front axis when shifting and slowing down. This is depicted very well in the game as well as the drifting that is like turning the car on the spot because of the 4WD.


And I can assure you that you have this kind of effect while driving at such a high speed.
I have driven alot of sportscars in real life already, from Lotus Superseven, all kind of Porsches, AMG Mercedes to oldschool racecars and I never had any motionblur in any of the cars. At speeds of 220-250 you get a narrowed corridor of view but no motionblur. Once you have driven at such speeds more often you get used to it and the fov doesn´t shrink that much anymore.


Long post, little essence: Grid is no racesim. Even the producers never claimed so.

[Landstalker]

At the point of this post GRID on ps3 is awsome on 42'' HD Tv .
but for the Near Future 2010 the game that will be on top when released will be

F1 (formula 1) by codemasters i can assure you if GRID is to a fine detail then F1 will not fail codemasters make absolute quality racing games GRID in parts is arcade style, but ive had some GT2 races online that where not arcadie, lap by lap constant close fighting to the finish which in my eyes makes GRID a perfect winner at time of this post.

I am an F1 fanatic and cant wait till they release F1 in 2010 well worth the wait !

[SgtH3nry3]

At the point of this post GRID on ps3 is awsome on 42'' HD Tv .
but for the Near Future 2010 the game that will be on top when released will be

F1 (formula 1) by codemasters i can assure you if GRID is to a fine detail then F1 will not fail codemasters make absolute quality racing games GRID in parts is arcade style, but ive had some GT2 races online that where not arcadie, lap by lap constant close fighting to the finish which in my eyes makes GRID a perfect winner at time of this post.

I am an F1 fanatic and cant wait till they release F1 in 2010 well worth the wait !I've had races through rFactor, Live for Speed and GTR Evolution that were very intense, took about 1-2 hours and were about a few hundreds of milliseconds per lap and precisely timed pitstops almost every week!

Maybe they aren't the graphically best looking games, but I guarantee you that it's very exciting every single time.
Way more fun than I ever had with GRID, Toca/DTM race driver, DIRT, etc.

If you have a G25, TrackIR and a powerful PC, I really recommend playing GTR Evolution, rFactor or Live for Speed. ;)
It's as close as you can get without having to pay for iRacing (which isn't that great imho) or without having your own go-kart/track monster.

[Landstalker]

my main focus will be for the new F1 game as the first thing im going to do is choose button or barricehllo and get in a brawn car and drive it straight into the barriers :p

then get into a mclaren and do it how it was meant to be done !

[SgtH3nry3]

my main focus will be for the new F1 game as the first thing im going to do is choose button or barricehllo and get in a brawn car and drive it straight into the barriers :p

then get into a mclaren and do it how it was meant to be done !Why?

I really hate the overhypedness of McLaren (during the Dennis-dynasty) and Hamilton, the only thing FOTA broadcasts these days are shots of Anthony (Lewis' father) instead of the actual racing...
When Alonso succeded Schumacher, I just hated him. But what they did to him at McLaren really disgusted me.
Anyway, without Alonso's telemetry Hamilton made way too much flaws in Monaco and all he did was use KERS at the exit of Lower Mirabeau, which is kind of weak. But it didn't get him anywhere at all so maybe I should stop whining.
Since Bahrein Hamilton has shown nothing which was champion-worthy.
McLaren used to be a very good team, but various people destroyed it and made it their cashcow.

What Ross Brawn has accomplished seems nothing more than normal to me.
He and Schumacher (and Jean Todt) made Scuderia Ferrari big and luckily he already made his move before Honda retreated.
In my opinion Barrichello and Button finally got what they deserved after being discarded by Ferrari and Renault.
But my favorite driver still is Sebastian Vettel.


Anyway, to stay on topic:
Grand Prix 4 still is a very good simulator imho. Not to mention Grand Prix Legends!

[sparks50]

Im hearing some good things about the upcoming Forza 3, its supposed to have tire deformation, and more adjustable parts.
Also, with a Fanatec 911 wheel, the clutch and H-gearbox is supported.

Granted, it probably still wont be hardcore enough for most people in this thread, but it makes me consider buying a 360, and a Fanatec wheel(can be used with 360, pc and ps3) to replace my aging G25.
Anyone with similar thoughts on getting a console? PS3 and GT is probably a good candidate as well,
though its a bit more expensive and does not have a gaming library that appeals to me so much. I guess I'm more of a "semi" simracer, I tend to loose motivation sometimes.

[SAbre4809]

Forza is great. I used to be a big GT series fanboy, and shunted it but they really do do a good job with the car characteristics especially. Aslong as you have aids off though. Its still not a race sim, but a great driving game nonetheless.

[Maddmatt]

The upcoming GT5 and Forza games look awesome, I really wish they would come to PC though. I'm not buying a console :(
Well at least we have NFS: SHIFT coming, but I'm worried about how it will turn out.

[Odjob]

I´m playing the GTR series for years now, still playing GT Legends and GTR EVO, siding with Richard Burns, Grand Prix Legends. Those are Sims and that´s why they provide longterm motivation. Once you win a 40 lap race against AI set to 100 percent and with all settings on realistic you know what you have done and you´ll just sit there and enjoy the winners lap. It takes really hard work and concentration to get there, along with a setup that has to be worked out and a good pitlane strategy. This is what makes a sim 100 times more interesting than an arcade racer.

I feel your pain listening to how arcade racing games are hailed as sims.
I have gone the long route aswell with Gp1-4, Gp-Legends, GTR series, rFactor etc. Learning to drive without any aids is crucial to get a "feel" for whats happening with the car, especially in longer races. There is nothing that beats the feeling of completing a 40min online race against a large mature field of players, realising that with 5 laps left your tires are overheating so your droping the laptimes a bit and taking care of the tires in the corners while still trying to keep the position and nursing the car to the finish. It doesnt really matter if i end up in the top 10 its the feeling of acomplishment that counts :)

I belive my first "racesim" was Indianapolis 500 on the Amiga in 1990, analoge steering with the mouse :cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fYGvoftBDM

[T.S.C.Plage]

I think the SimBin simulations like GTL, GTR2 and GTR Evo are by far the best. I personally played GTR2 and GTL for a long time with the focus on GTL because I prefere the "old" cars a little more.

Here's a link to my website about stuff for GTL and GTR2...click (http://www.dontgivvafuq.com/misc/gtl/garage/index.html).

Btw, Volvo also has a free game like the "M3 Challenge" for download that's based on the SimBin engine.

[sparks50]

Yes, theres a thread about the Volvo game right in this section.

Too bad the Solberg Rally game got shelfed, the developers even said they were making it with the RBR simulator in mind, aiming to beat it in realism.. Oh well.

What would be your dream setting for a race sim? I think mine would be the 1980s World rally championship Group B era.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_B

[SgtH3nry3]

What would be your dream setting for a race sim? I think mine would be the 1980s World rally championship Group B era.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_BA proper sim about AIACR Grandes Épreuves from the nineteenhundreds to the thirties.
The rise of Bugatti, Maserati, Corsa Alfa, Scuderia Ferrari and ultimately the German Silberpfeilen.

With perfect sound, a popular engine like gMotor or Lizard, specialized physics and authentical historical happenings.
I've never seen a race sim with a real campaign other than the DTM/Toca series.
In this campaign you should start with bad setups and early technology and climb all the way up to overhead camshaft, supercharged, alloy engined, aerodynamic race cars and the predecessor of modern day telemetry the Germans used since 1936.

[Mindwalker]

GTR: Evolution and Live for Speed are both awesome titles for your sim-fix.
But when I just need a quickfix of speed and adrenaline, I load up Race Driver GRID.

Still need to get me one of those wheels though. Steering with mouse/keyboard just doesn't cut it in the long run.

[wipman]

Hi, for me the best racing games that i've seen, are in this ones:

- Grand Prix Legends. (http://www.bhmotorsports.com/shop/item/2625)
- Grand Prix Legends 2004 Demo. (http://www.bhmotorsports.com/download/6447)
- Nascar Racing 2003 By Papyrus. (http://www.bhmotorsports.com/NR2003)

Those are the best ones in their cathegory for me, with the NASCAR 2003 you can paint
your own cars and also mod the game, that's how i began to play with the Photoshop,
for paint my own cars back in the mid 90s for the NASCAR 1, an example of my N2003
paintjobs and addons:

- My Ride. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/wipman/charger_alternative.jpg)
- Addon Shifters Pack. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/wipman/n2003_wipmans_shifthers_pack.jpg)

Let's C ya

[kavoven]

I don't want to start a new topic.

Colin McRae Dirt 2 Demo is out... just played and enjoyed it very much. Great graphics, great soundtrack and amazing damage physics :)

Official mirrors are a weeeee bit slow at the moment, but I found this one:

http://www.4players.de/4players.php/download_info/Downloads/Download/53803/Colin_McRae_DiRT_2/Demo.html
(at least for European users)

[GoOB]

I have both Forza 3 and Dirt 2 for the XBOX 360 and I am loving them both, Forza 3 slightly more than Dirt 2 but both are in my opinion very qualified racing games. There are games that have more beleivable and engaging physics, like the aforementioned Simbin games and so on and so forth. But few games rival Forza (except maybe the GT series) in how much you can play it, alot of tracks and alot of cars.

[Maddmatt]

Need for Speed: Shift is a decent race sim. It's full of arcade elements that might put off some sim enthusiasts though.
Great car physics, big selection of cars. It's the first good NFS game in years. And it's the only one in the series where you could even begin to argue that it's a sim :)

It has it's downsides, there are no pit stops so it's pure sprint racing. The career is full of stupidly short 2/3 lap races (there is a mod for this though), the AI is very aggressive (a mod for this too), and it has no dedicated servers for PC.

Dirt 2 is getting good comments. It looks like it has good car handling but definitely not sim-quality physics. Still, looks convincing unlike the previous Codemasters racers.

[Celery]

iRacing is the best racing simulator by any realism criteria imaginable. The best racing game is a different question however, and that depends on what you expect from it.

[Pauld]

well i would try out the dirt 2 demo released recently, ive just downloaded and played it for about 20 mins and its highly impressive... the new DX11 really shines with the game

[Maddmatt]

iRacing is the best racing simulator by any realism criteria imaginable. The best racing game is a different question however, and that depends on what you expect from it.

Agreed. I tried iRacing on a free 30-day trial. Cars feel great to drive, but as a game I found it boring. It's not for everyone.

The new patch and free DLC for NFS: Shift has just been released, you can get it here:
http://needforspeed.com/web/nfs/downloads

All the hardcore PC race sims have one thing in common - dated graphics. And IMO they just feel boring to drive. No sense of speed, car behaviour on ISI engine games doesn't seem right when the tyres start to slde.
NFS: Shift manages to get a decent sense of speed without making the cars go unrealistically fast (Grid and other arcade racers do that).

I enjoyed GTR Evolution for a while but eventually got sick of the problems and how dated it seems.

[[RIP] Luhgnut]

Agreed. I tried iRacing on a free 30-day trial. Cars feel great to drive, but as a game I found it boring. It's not for everyone.

The new patch and free DLC for NFS: Shift has just been released, you can get it here:
http://needforspeed.com/web/nfs/downloads

All the hardcore PC race sims have one thing in common - dated graphics. And IMO they just feel boring to drive. No sense of speed, car behaviour on ISI engine games doesn't seem right when the tyres start to slde.
NFS: Shift manages to get a decent sense of speed without making the cars go unrealistically fast (Grid and other arcade racers do that).

I enjoyed GTR Evolution for a while but eventually got sick of the problems and how dated it seems.

If you want FUN crazy racing. TM United/Forever. I wasted more hours on that thing. It's not a sim by anymeans but if you want flat ass out crazy racing stuff (Rock and Roll Racing) then that's my vote.

[Mr Burns]

All the hardcore PC race sims have one thing in common - dated graphics. And IMO they just feel boring to drive. No sense of speed, car behaviour..

You never played Richard Burns Rally then.
Still the best game when it comes to offroad. Period.


Just tried the Dirt 2 demo and found it to be console crap all over again.
GFX settings set to highest (DX9) still gives an avg. 66FPS on my medicore system. Mandatory Xlive installation (unless you know how to overide it). Driving behaviour sucks major balls. Instant success possible. Xbox controller friendly, etc. - uninstalling as i type.

[Beagle]

Best racing sim and as real as it can get is a urgent delivery to Dortmund on the A44, a 2 lane Autobahn with some 3 lane sections and no speed limit for the most part. Use a car with at least 170hp. Better as any racing sim.

[kavoven]

Just tried the Dirt 2 demo and found it to be console crap all over again.
GFX settings set to highest (DX9) still gives an avg. 66FPS on my medicore system. Mandatory Xlive installation (unless you know how to overide it). Driving behaviour sucks major balls. Instant success possible. Xbox controller friendly, etc. - uninstalling as i type.

The game already supports Dx11 :) Thats quite a difference.


Best racing sim and as real as it can get is a urgent delivery to Dortmund on the A44, a 2 lane Autobahn with some 3 lane sections and no speed limit for the most part. Use a car with at least 170hp. Better as any racing sim.

I can also recommend the A9, Munich-Berlin... nearly all the way 3 lanes, no speed limit at all and no traffic at all :D (at least after Nürnberg)

[Sudayev]

Im not a big fan of racing sims but the Gran Turismo 4 is the best I've played so far.

[Mr Burns]

The game already supports Dx11 :) Thats quite a difference.

I´m sorry to say, but this is bullshit.
Definatley not reason enough for me switching to Win7.

PCGH: Dirt 2: DirectX 9 vs. DirectX 11 graphics compared (http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,699998/Dirt-2-DirectX-9-vs-DirectX-11-graphics-compared-Update-New-comparisons/Practice/)

[kavoven]

Dx 11 doesn't feature "next generation crysis graphics" but better physics, more animations(look at the spectators), sharper shadows and so on. I think there is a difference :)

[Maddmatt]

You never played Richard Burns Rally then.
Still the best game when it comes to offroad. Period.
I played the demo, so I can't argue with that. I remember it was awesome to drive, unlike that crap under another good rally driver's name ;)
Just not so much into rally myself, but if they made a modern version I'd probably buy it.

I've been playing NFS Shift with the new patch. Must say it's a whole lot more fun now, they improved the car handling so the sliding isn't so ridiculous now. Cars are more balanced by default.

Some screenshots from a race yesterday, showing off my sexy works converted Camaro on Laguna Seca ;) :
http://needforspeed.com/SpeedAPI/ws/game/1.0/nfsps2-pc/photomode/43271561/image
http://needforspeed.com/SpeedAPI/ws/game/1.0/nfsps2-pc/photomode/43271893/image
Car's taking quite a beating by now:
http://needforspeed.com/SpeedAPI/ws/game/1.0/nfsps2-pc/photomode/43272164/image

Edit: Fixed screenshots. Thanks for pointing that out :o
They now point to the full 1440x900 resolution pictures.

[Balschoiw]

Playing Shift now for about 2 weeks. With real car mod and damage mod it´s a real blast.
Enemy AI is a tad to deadly imo but the look, feel, handling and general race impression is a blast. Need to install the latest patch though.
With custom G25 setup from the indarneds it plays great.
Still trying to beat 6.20 on Nordschleife though...
Hehe...those screens are really supershrinked Maddmatt :-)
Get the setups for the G25 and links to the other realistic mods at nogripracing.
Cheers.

[SaOk]

I have been driving iRacing a year now and there is no end to it. Its a quite expensive sim, but there is no driving sim that even comes close in realism (laser scanned tracks, real data following car physics). Also the whole league system with safety rating, licences, iratings is perfect. Rookies are stuck in lower series while fair drivers with safe driving style may drive higher series (e.g. Nascars series, Indycar, Corvette, F1 lotus 79, Radical, Star Madza, Daytona Prototype). "All" the best sim drivers are driving there and you can even meet many real-life drivers on track (including nascar driver Dale Earnhardt jr. who seems to be a very active simracer).

I was also shocked first about the pricing but after trying the sim 1 month, I couldnt leave anymore. I have been driving sim racing games from early 90s; starting with Grand Prix 1 then driving gp2,gp3,gp4,grand prix legends, nascar2003, GT Legends, Life for Speed, GTR1,Colin McRay Rally, rFactor, GTR2, Race1, Race07 and GTR Evolution trought the years. After Simbin started to turn into acrade in GTR2 (with NAP-mod it was still good) there was a big need for new proper driving sim which is now iRacing for me.

http://www.iracing.com/

Btw. You can find free 1 month trial here: http://www.radicalsportscars.com/racing/virtual-racing

Youtube videos:
Earnhardt driving in Silverado Race:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWmm7253irY
Lap around Brands Hatch with Indycar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmp1rhTNqLw&
Me driving Impala B Race in New Hampshire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baSXLITpKOI
Race driving in Oval Pro League (Sprint Cup):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JluYccoOYq4

[Colt45_GTO]

been out of the racing scene for a few years..... last one i played was on PS1 GT1 and 2. but with getting a joint xbox 360 for crimbo i'm quite liking Forza3 it reminds me much of the old gran turismo's but with 1000X better graphics. it also has the cars GT had or some of them, with my fave being the ones closest to my heart.....mitsu GTO's

the engine in my avatar is one i built for my previous GTO that now lives in scotland. the engine in my current is untouched and performs very well. :D

my better half is enjoying Shift but i never was a fan of the NFS games.

[sparks50]

Shift is pretty different from the former NFS games though. (but still not a hard-core simulator)

I wish the NFS series could go back to what the first game was: realistic(for the time) driving, traffic and police. I also really liked NFS Porsche 2000/unleashed.

[11aTony]

Anyone tried new WRC FIA World Rally Championship? I like it. Heres a trailer if anyone wants to take a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSpB1tFQ50I

And yeah, I loved Porsche 2000 as well. Best NFS ever IMO.

[sparks50]

Bad sense of speed, poor handling, poor damage, bad sounds, poor graphics, poor terrain etc.
It doesn't look like a sim, and it doesn't look like a good arcade game(like DIRT) either.

Jw3M5bu40GI

This wont exactly be the first time Milestone puts out a terrible driving game.

[Mr Burns]

Anyone tried new WRC FIA World Rally Championship? I like it. Heres a trailer if anyone wants to take a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSpB1tFQ50I


Without having played i think this YT comment sums it up nicely:


If I hadn't played RBR I would assume this game was realistic and think it was the a badass and played on none the wiser

the biggest crime it commits nonetheless is that after all these years it isn't better than RBR ...


Mr Burns fixes wheel to desk, cursor hovering above RBR http://hx3.de/images/smilies/hx3_driving.gif

[sparks50]

Even if you don't care about realism, you'd be mad to buy this game when the likes of DIRT is already out there.

I wish someone could take the WRC license and make a proper successor to RBR.

[11aTony]

Oh sorry guys, I miss expressed my self. I didnt say its sim, just thought its not worth making a thread about it so I posted it here. I dont like dirt, just played it once and uninstalled. I just reckon its in same category as dirt and therefore think this is better then dirt. Thats all to it.

[kavoven]

I just bought Dirt 3 since it promised to have much more Ralley parts in it (60%) and I must say that I really like this game.

You get a good feeling for the car (disable those assistent systems), the graphics are nice but still fluid on my 4 year old computer.

Solid game though I expect it won't satisfy our simulation freaks =)

[Mr Burns]

Solid game though I expect it won't satisfy our simulation freaks =)

That last bit rescued you from being exiled to lentonland :)


Sadly, if someone wants to play a good racing simluation he´s gotto opt for 5+ years old titles ...... luckily simnuts aren´t gfx whores.

[mrcash2009]

I just cannot see for the life of me why RBR physics could not be bought and put into something with the graphics level of today? Why is it you never realy get that balance, amazes me realy. Thats all anyone asks, give me eye candy all day but sort out the physics you swines! you can have a arcade like step system with difficulty, and then on "pro handling" .. pow, you get what you realy want .. RBR worthy physics.

It craps on everything of today in that sense, but there it is. I dont mind playing some of the recent titles I simply block out of my mind anything "sim" expected and just "fun" .. that way I dont get white knuckles :)

[ArmAriffic]

ignore, wrong thread