This hateful lovely M21

[redvex]

I'm in the mission with James Gastovski, the one where you go to kolgujev in order to destroy the previously located shilkas.
I selected m21 in the weapon choice.
When mission started, i spotted 3 reds at about 180 meters.
I zoomed on one's head, I could see his eyebrows printed on my rifle's scope. :biggrin:
His head was in the center of the scope.

-BLAM!-

I missed him!!!http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
how can that be?
M21's supposed to be a sniper...is there some way I can fix this?

[Rabnud]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from redvex on 12:58 pm on Nov. 11, 2001

M21's supposed to be a sniper...is there some way I can fix this?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, you could try learning how to use it. :biggrin:

Read the manual mate.
Don't have a manual? Go buy it.

[Badgerboy]

Indeed, sniping is a art.

It's not a CS AWM!

[OperationFPoint]

you were probably zoomed in way to far(more inaccurate when u r zoomed in far) You would have gotten him if he was more like......380 meters.

[FetishFool]

Ignore the last 3 replies, Redvex.

The M21, and SVD Dragunov are short range sniper rifles. They're only used to extend the range of an infantry squad.
Both rifles are only good for about 150m. Anything beyond that, then you have to aim to the lower-right a little. The SVD Dragunov is more powerful, and more accurate than the M21... Only having 10 rounds is a small drawback.


So, try not to engage with the M21 for anything over 150m.

[theavonlady]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from OperationFPoint on 7:03 am on Nov. 11, 2001
you were probably zoomed in way to far(more inaccurate when u r zoomed in far) You would have gotten him if he was more like......380 meters.
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This is the correct answer, as was Rabnud's. Read the manual. 150 meters is the limit for the legally blind.

[Rendar]

It's easy to nail people at even 600m with the M21. Just raise it about 2-3ft above the person's head.

[YP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from FetishFool on 7:48 am on Nov. 11, 2001
Ignore the last 3 replies, Redvex.

The M21, and SVD Dragunov are short range sniper rifles.  They're only used to extend the range of an infantry squad.
Both rifles are only good for about 150m.
So, try not to engage with the M21 for anything over 150m.
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*lol*
Sorry, but that is BS!
You can use the M21 and the SVD up to the sighting range of OFP and still be effective...well, at least I can http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

@<hidden> redvex: Simply practice a little bit and you can engage enemies up to any distance you want to.

(Edited by YP at 3:14 pm on Nov. 11, 2001)

[FetishFool]

I was replying to how Redvex was aiming directly at the head with the crosshairs. That only works at 150m. Anything higher, then you have to aim to the upper-left or lower-right.

You aim to the lower-right when the target is like 1km away. Upper-left is for around 300m

[King Kong]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from FetishFool on 8:48 am on Nov. 11, 2001
Ignore the last 3 replies, Redvex.

The M21, and SVD Dragunov are short range sniper rifles.  They're only used to extend the range of an infantry squad.
Both rifles are only good for about 150m.  Anything beyond that, then you have to aim to the lower-right a little.  The SVD Dragunov is more powerful, and more accurate than the M21...  Only having 10 rounds is a small drawback.


So, try not to engage with the M21 for anything over 150m.
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Again all bulls**t this guy says that the AK74 fires a 5.45 NATO round
the SVD dragunov has a effective range of 600 up to 800 m
The M21 is actually a modified M14 it has a great range and its very accurate

[FetishFool]

d**k
wad(Kong), stop referring to real life statistics!!!

[King Kong]

FetishFOOL i suggest you to do more research b4 posting crap

This guy tells me that he owns an AK47 from Pakistan
You should take a look at his ICQ user details
Organistation,Groups
Paki and Nigger killers
He's a 15 year old prick who is full of s**t

[muzzmuzz]

Like a real snipr rifle it needs to be tuned and focused according to the range of an enemy!

No CS AWM or Scout here! Just pure skill needed....

[muzzmuzz]

OMFG THE M21 IS NOT A MODIFIED M14!!!

FOR STARTERS THE M14 IS A MACHINE GUN YOU F**KING KNOB CAKE!!!
lol what next the Nuke Missile is just a modified Air Rifle!

The guy postin above me is right! a 15 full of complete mum wankng ball crap....

[King Kong]

M14 is NOT A f**kING MACHINEGUN YOU f**kING IDIOT!
M14 IS A f**kING ASSAULT RIFLE

[King Kong]

The m21 is a m14 with a scope on it you pussy
go f**k your mum or something

[Zhang]

yes kong is right
m14 is a semi suto assualt rifle
got replaced with m16 during vietnam.
they just put a scope on it and it's an m21 now.

[Denwad]

M14 IS NOT an assualt rifle, it is a battle rifle, and yes the M21 is a modified M14.

The AK-74 does fire the 5.45mm NATO round

[FetishFool]

http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Col Rambo SBS]

In the game, your M21 sight is supposed to be Zommed like this:-
If the target is standing, Zoom in untill the Top line is head height, Bottom line at his feet ( Same with the Side lines in target is lying down ). This is accurate as long as your target is 6ft tall.
The M21 is a refined M14 set to fire the 7.62 match round.

[King Kong]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Denwad on 1:15 am on Nov. 12, 2001
M14 IS NOT an assualt rifle, it is a battle rifle, and yes the M21 is a modified M14.

The AK-74 does fire the 5.45mm NATO round
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HAHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAH f**kING IDIOT
it fires a 5.45×39 Russian round idiot
instead of the 5.56×45 wich is a nato round
and the M14 is a assault rifle f**king nut

[FetishFool]

Hhmmm... I wonder what a 'battle rifle' is.

I think he is thinking of those Great War(WWI) rifles that you had to reload with a stick.
They used the bayonettes more than the bullets in those times.

[FireFly]

The M-14 is not an assualt rifle but a MAIN BATTLE RIFLE. Some M-14's were used as SAW's (or Squad Automatic Weapon for the retarded) and could fire full auto. The M-21 is the semi Auto version of the M-14 with enhanced features. Exp: National Match barrel,match trigger,and other features to increase accuracy. In terms of power and ballistics the M-21's 7.62x51 is almost the same to the Dragunov's 7.62x54r. The M-21 is a more accurate rifle but the drag has it's advantage in light weight and fast follow up shots.
As far as the game go's, I've never encountered a situation where somebody was out of range of these 2 rifles. These rifles turn the game into a target rich environment.

[FireFly]

Oh yeah almost forgot. An assualt rifle fires an intermediate catridge 7.62x39, 5.56x45, 5.45x39 and must have selective fire.

A Main battle rifle fires a full rifle cartridge 7.62x51, 7.62x546, 7.92x57(8mm)

[hollywood]

A quick copy and paste as this is the second thread I've seen today about 'inaccurate' sights.

However calibrated (well, within reason) sigths have 2 'accurate'points.

To explain (apologies to those who know)...bullet starts flight path below crosshair (so at close range hits below)...bullet rises and at a certain distance hits the top of its trajectory (depending how scope's calibrated, often above the horizontal). Eventually bullet drops back below.

In reality of course the bullet is accelerated downward by gravity as soon as it leaves the barrel...it's just that the scope points (VERY slightly) downward, and the barrel tends to rise on firing.

[E6Rackley]

Just a note on the M-21 all it is not only acurate out to 150M please you can throw a rock that far, the M-16 is acurate to a point target out to 550m 800 to an area target. Now the M-21 is capable of reaching targets as far out as 1000m. Geeze 150m where did that come from? Oh let me guess your extent of military knowledge if from playing these games, lol.

[E6Rackley]

King Kong in response to your reply the Round for the AK-74 is a 5.56x45 not 39 the AK-47 is a 7.62x39 so now who is the idiot my friend. And besides a NATO round is always refferd to in matric for or else we'd call it a .223 or a .308.

[russin]

sniper rifles work awesome for me at any range up to 500-600 meters ahhhh hahaha ahhhh haaaaaa just need lots and lots of pratice

BOW YOUR HEAD!!!

[redvex]

Hey guys I have no problem killing people at high ranges, but I dislike the crosshair's low precision

[LARD]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from E6Rackley on 7:37 am on Nov. 13, 2001
Just a note on the M-21 all it is not only acurate out to 150M please you can throw a rock that far, the M-16 is acurate to a point target out to 550m 800 to an area target. Now the M-21 is capable of reaching targets as far out as 1000m. Geeze 150m where did that come from? Oh let me guess your extent of military knowledge if from playing these games, lol.
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This made me laugh my arse off too.
The British SA80's sight is zeroed to 500metres, and that's an assault rifle not sniper.

[Bergmania]

They didn't just put on a sight.. it has a match grade barrel and some extra trimmings..

It is a deluxe M-14.. But the Marines is right.. the M40 is a better sniper rifle..


And by the way the AK-74 fires the 5.45 x 39mm
Check it out <a href="http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/

.223" target="_blank">http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/

.223</a> = 5.56x45
.308 = 7.62x51

But there is a polish sortof AK74 that is chambered with 5.56x45.. The Beryl.. :-)

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/foreign/hem2.passagen.se/dadkri/Beryl.htm

AND Battle rifle, Assault rifle.. Almost the same thing.. But the H&K G3 is both.. Submachinegun is also a term that is very over used.. as it realy only should apply to full automatic weapons that fires pistol ammo..

(Edited by Bergmania at 3:10 am on Nov. 15, 2001)

[Camel]

Why cant BI implement a silenced sniper rifle?
that would be sweet.

[tsudhonimh]

http://www.ak-47.net/ak47/

[BoonieRat]

Man this is one love thy neighbour site, or what?, who cares, there are so many re~hashed versions of such and such said rifle, that you're ALL probably bloody right;), if all you wanna do is show of your expertise of trivia, what are you doing it on a game site for?

Silencers on sniper rifles are anatheima(gosh!, not only did i spell it wromg, i DONT KNOW what it means!! :@<hidden>!!, queue the argument:!),
they take alot of power out of the muzzle velo',makeing it only effective at closer range,especialy as you need a sub~sonic round with them, but i know what you mean, it would be kinda sexy,http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Frizbee]

Remember that the ranges quoted of 600m-800m are the EFFECTIVE range of the weapon. Not the maximum range.

They call it the Effective range because that is the range that produces the best (tightest) round grouping without having to adjust the scope/sights massively for each target at that range.

[unholy chosen one]

you guys kill me. the m21 is a modified m14 both use a 7.62 roundthe m21 has a slightly longer barrel and rifled to to match specifications for longer distances. both rifles are varients of the .30 cal. m1. there is a third version called an m24 that will fire in semi , burst and full auto. the m16
was designed from a ar15 both made by colt. the ar15 is shorter and only fired in semi. at the start of the vietnam conflict they introduced the m16a1 it had semi and full auto capability. the first version was a 7.62. it was rechambered
to take the nato 5.56. after vietnam they came out with m16a2 which no longer had the full auto feature because of the amount of ammo the u.s. wasted. you can find out about all the weapons in this game from a several web sites around the net if you want/need to know. asking people in here may get you the right answer but most likely not. the m21 and drugunov have very accurate ranges with an expert sniper of 1500 meters or better with the right weather conditions( yes it makes a difference thats why you may have to compensate for longer ranges, you cant tweak the scopes in this game to account for distance and wind)

[ScreamingWithNoSound]

Lol I think the point about ammo wastage, is more to do with rookies burning all their ammo cause they were sh*tting lumps when the VC came-a-calling... then getting killed cause the VC could just run up to them and they couldn't fight back...

How true that is, I don't know, but lets face it... The French, British, Germans, Austrians, Australians all give their troops weapons that can fire full auto. All these nations are noted for the training of their troops... The US is not. Co-inky-dink?

[unholy chosen one]

the U.S. is becoming more and more concerned with stand off
combat tactics and weapons. thats why you are seing the landwarrior equipment. there are variations that now have
a liquid crystal display and small camera mounted to the m4
so all you have to do is put your rifle over/around a corner to see and kill your target.sooner or later they wont use human troops anymore they will use mechanical "soldiers"
controled by remote computers. and can you blame them being shot realy realy realy hurts. and the reason they dont train with full auto is they would rather be accurate then just fill the air with lead , thats what they have the 249 and m60 for. but i can assure you vietnam is the reason they altered the m16 to go burst and semi only , i worked for colt for a couple years and the entire story is their museum.

[Rifleman]

heh i heard that in vietnam it took on average a 100,000 rounds of M16 ammo to kill 1 VC

if u see footage of them they just stick they m16's up and fire the whole clip out

i dont blame em i wouldnt want to stick my head up and get killed, specially in a d*mn stupid war like Vietnam

[KillorLive]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from King Kong on 9:48 pm on Nov. 11, 2001
M14 is NOT A f**kING MACHINEGUN YOU f**kING IDIOT!
M14 IS A f**kING ASSAULT RIFLE

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It's neither, it's classified "Battle Rifle" at 15 I can definately say I'm glad I'm not as stupid as you guys are at 20 (or around there).

[unholy chosen one]

kill is absolutely correct , at almost 4 feet long and 9 pounds, the m14 is a "battle rifle" or dmr(designated marksman rifle) its too long and too heavy for an assault rifle. however it was used as one before the m16 and ar15 were introduced but they didnt have anything else with the power and accuracy to choose from.but it still was never classified as an assault rifle. the m21 is even heavier at 10 pounds and thats if you use the stock scope. frisbee hit the nail on the head on "effective ranges of 600-800 meters"
i have fired them both on the sniper training course at ft. benning ga. in the actual field course the m21 with the scope could keep its accuracy up to 1000 meters( at three round bursts) as long as the wind was very light. if you adjusted the scope for distance and wind then you could push that range to 1500 meters but you would have to check your sighting wioth each round. the m14 was great up 800 meters but fell apart rapidly beyond that range. with no wind you could make 1000 meters but your fire had to be very delibrate. as far as this game is concerned the m21 seems close enough for a game.

[KillorLive]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from E6Rackley on 8:37 am on Nov. 13, 2001
Just a note on the M-21 all it is not only acurate out to 150M please you can throw a rock that far, the M-16 is acurate to a point target out to 550m 800 to an area target. Now the M-21 is capable of reaching targets as far out as 1000m. Geeze 150m where did that come from? Oh let me guess your extent of military knowledge if from playing these games, lol.
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A skilled rifleman can hit targets past 1.2km with the M16, of course you can with the M21, he meant IN GAME. "throw a rock 150m" Impossible, 150m = 450 feet. The best quarter-backs throw 100 yards, roughly 100m.
The dude who posted about the 150m M21 was talking about IN GAME.

Now, just to settle this forum, and shutup idiots, I will do this:

The firearms that we are familiar with are called 'small arms,' generally. Anything under 20mm in caliber is technically a small arm, but obviously, there are some weapons that can be carried by a single person (a lightweight rifle) and some that require two or three people to effectively operate (M2 .50 caliber machine guns, for instance). The term 'light arm' is starting to come into popularity for referring to weapons carried by a single individual.


There are several main types of small arms described below. If you wish to see an example, click on the name of the weapon:



Pistol - A pistol is a hand-operated firearm having a chamber integral with or permanently aligned with the bore.


Revolver - A revolver is a hand-operated firearm with a revolving cylinder containing chambers for individual cartridges.


Shotgun - A shotgun is a (usually) smoothbore shoulder firearm that is capable of discharging more than one projectile down the barrel of the weapon with a single pull of the trigger.


Rifle - A rifle is a shoulder firearm which can discharge a bullet through a rifled barrel 16 inches or longer. The spiral parallel grooves in the bore impart spin in the projectile, providing stability and extended range. Can be automatic, semi-automatic, bolt action, etc.


Carbine - A carbine is a short rifle that has a barrel under 16 inches in length, and is typically used by cavalry, artillery, engineers or others who require a weapon for self-defense and emergencies. Accuracy and ballistics tend to be inferior to the full version of the rifles they are adapted from.


Assault Rifle - Assault rifles are capable of single shot or automatic fire using a short rifle cartridge providing accurate fire and more controllable recoil force than a standard rifle cartridge. By reducing the cartridge case and propellant, the cartridges weigh less and soldiers can carry more. These shorter rifles were developed in response to the recognition that most fire-fights take place at ranges under 400 yards. The small size of the assault rifle and its ability to fire at up to 800 rounds per minute has led to it being adopted by various forces as a replacement for the submachine gun. Most assault rifles are chambered for 5.56x45 NATO, 7.62x39, or 5.45x39.


Bullpup Rifle - A bullpup rifle is a rifle in which the action of the weapon is behind the trigger. This gives the advantage of making it possible to have a longer barrel in a more compact weapon, but gives the disadvantage of a (usually) sloppy trigger pull, and problems with left-handed users. However, the compact size and long barrel length may mean that more rifles of the future will use the bullpup layout.


Battle Rifle - A battle rifle is a semi-automatic or fully automatic rifle that fires a full-size rifle cartridge. The weapons were designed for use at ranges up to 600 yards. Although they were provided with a fully automatic setting, using this at any range except for the very closest would be a waste of ammunition - at 100 meters on fully automatic, the second shot would tend to pass about 15 meters above and to the right of a man-sized target. Battle rifles were therefore designed for a rifleman to take careful aimed fire at distant targets and eliminate the target with a single shot.


Machine Pistol - A machine pistol is a pistol that is capable of firing more than one shot per pull of the trigger. Machine pistols can be hand held, though they sometimes come with a stock to increase controllability.


Submachine Gun - A submachine gun is a lightweight one-man weapon capable of automatic fire, firing a low-powered pistol cartridge with limited range and accuracy.


Machine Gun - A machine gun is a firearm originally designed to fire more than one shot per pull of the trigger. Note that three round burst mode is technically fully automatic, since more than one shot is fired per trigger pull.


Light Machine Gun - A light machine gun is a (relatively) lightweight fully automatic weapon that is intended to be carried and operated by a single machine gunner during an assault. Light machine guns are capable of sustained automatic fire for longer periods of time than assault rifles, and can provide a base of fire for a rifle squad. Light machine guns are usually chambered for intermediate rifle rounds.


Medium Machine Gun - A medium machine gun is also sometimes known as a General Purpose Machine gun. These machine guns are usually chambered for full sized rifle rounds. If mounted with a bipod, GPMG's can serve the role of a base of fire for a rifle squad, like a LMG. However, due to the increased weight of a GPMG, mobility is greatly lessened. GPMG's can also be mounted on tripods for use in a stationary, defensive role, or on vehicles or helicopters to serve as accurate, long range, automatic fire.


Heavy Machine Guns - Heavy Machine guns are tripod mounted or mounted on vehicles or aircraft. These weapons are crew served, requiring two or three men to successfully keep the weapon running. These provide heavy support against lightly armored vehicles or other important targets.



Although many people call weapons such as the G3, FN-FAL and M14 assault rifles, they do not fill the definition - since they fire full-sized rifle cartridges and not intermediate ones, they fail that immediately. The G3 and such are also much better suited to long range combat, where their bullets can still make the kill, even after an assault rifle's bullet has lost much of its authority. Sometimes you will see a manufacturer call their semi-automatic 7.62x51 rifle a 'assault rifle,' but this is advertising and misleading. Calling a 7.62x51 rifle an assault rifle is like calling a full-sized pickup truck a compact truck, and then claiming that the full-size is the most powerful in its class. It is, but simply because you didn't define it properly.


Another issue that comes up frequently is what to call extremely compact assault rifles such as the G36C, AKS-74U, and CAR15. These are sometimes classed as submachine guns, and sometimes as assault rifles. I personally view them as compact assault rifles, since they fire rifle-sized cartridges and not pistol-sized cartridges. However, some people feel that the tactical use of a weapon counts in its definition, and if one believes this, then a G36C might be considered a submachine gun, since it is best used at the close range combat that SMG's are suited for.

[edit] forgot the link
This is from Foxi's CS (ish) FAQ and Realism guide.

http://counterstrikefox.freeservers.com/

(Edited by KillorLive at 4:50 am on Nov. 25, 2001)

[IGFs TopGun]

<a href="http://gamespot.com/gamespot/guides/pc/operation_flashpoint/p3_01.html

From" target="_blank">http://gamespot.com/gamespo....

From</a> the gamespot guide

M21--Sniper Rifle

Length: 44.1in/112cm
Weight: 11.25lbs/5.11kg
Barrel: 22in/559mm
Caliber: 7.62x5mm
Feed: 20-round detachable box magazine
Muzzle Velocity: 853m/s
Cyclic Rate: N/A

Description: The United States M21 sniper rifle is a modified M14 National Match rifle, with a high accuracy rating to approximately 900yds/822m. It has a 20-round detachable magazine and is gas-operated and air-cooled. Standard models include a 3x to 9x automatic ranging telescope (ART) sight.

Do we need a room monitor to keep the peace in here :rolleyes:

[KillorLive]

heh
Nice guide, to the point, realistic, if anything the info here is all required to answer questions, as thus the forum jackasses shouldn't be able to do anything but bite the bullet and accept our l337 URL locating sk1llz http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KillorLive]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from BoonieRat on 12:38 pm on Nov. 15, 2001
Man this is one love thy neighbour site, or what?, who cares, there are so many re~hashed versions of such and such said rifle, that you're ALL probably bloody right;), if all you wanna do is show of your expertise of trivia, what are you doing it on a game site for?

Silencers on sniper rifles are anatheima(gosh!, not only did i spell it wromg, i DONT KNOW what it means!! :@<hidden>!!, queue the argument:!),
they take alot of power out of the muzzle velo',makeing it only effective at closer range,especialy as you need a sub~sonic round with them, but i know what you mean, it would be kinda sexy,http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
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WTF is a silencer? http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
You mean suppressor
*note, I'm trying to be an #######*

[KillorLive]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from unholy chosen one on 2:14 am on Nov. 24, 2001
the U.S. is becoming more and more concerned with stand off
combat tactics and weapons. thats why you are seing the landwarrior equipment. there are variations that now have
a liquid crystal display and small camera mounted to the m4
so all you have to do is put your rifle over/around a corner to see and kill your target.sooner or later they wont use human troops anymore they will use mechanical "soldiers"
controled by remote computers. and can you blame them being shot realy realy realy hurts. and the reason they dont train with full auto is they would rather be accurate then just fill the air with lead , thats what they have the 249 and m60 for. but i can assure you vietnam is the reason they altered the m16 to go burst and semi only , i worked for colt for a couple years and the entire story is their museum.
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*sorry for all the posts*

Anyway, when you get down to it, when one leader is desperate enough, there will never be zero need or cause for the average foot soldier with a rifle of some sort. Into the nitty gritty when ones "robot soldiers" run out you will always send in the grunts. Never has a piece of tech out-classify a human being, never will there.

[BoonieRat]

What as in 'Flash Suppressor'?, no i mean a S-i-l-e-n-c-e-r!, as in 'shush!, i'm hunting' wabbit!' http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif'

You say toMATE -o, i say toMART-o, but every one here just sez FVCK OFF,that's bullshat!, (to each other, @<hidden> least every other post;) ) http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[nullset]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyway, when you get down to it, when one leader is desperate enough, there will never be zero need or cause for the average foot soldier with a rifle of some sort. Into the nitty gritty when ones "robot soldiers" run out you will always send in the grunts. Never has a piece of tech out-classify a human being, never will there. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Uhhh, can someone translate this into English? Cuz I have NO IDEA what Mush-Mouth is saying http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

nil

[unholy chosen one]

i think he saying that human intelect will alway win over technology. what he didnt seem to understand was if one side has mechanized soldiers and the other has "grunts" with pea shooters , the pea shooters will just get stomped. its the old "im bringing my pocket knife to to a gunfight" theory.
if what he says was true the taliban would be kicking the crap outta the u.s. . that is a prime example of tech winning over human whatever he called it. ever hear of a daisy cutter its low tech but it sure beats an ak47 anyday.
i think at this point this thread was over three pages ago.

[TopCover]

Practice makes perfect!

It is possible, allthough it is not easy, to hit targets at 600 meters out with the m21. I am refering to ingame experiences and not to reallife scenarios.

Aside from that; it is perfectly ok to have an argument or disagreement on any subject mentioned in the forums, but please refrain from flaming and even insulting your fellow OFPgamer; it doesnt make you look cooler, quite the contrary

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[Snake Plissken]

Sorry to dig up this old topic, but I just thought I'd mention you pretty much have to adjust for range with the in-game sniper sights. The only problem with the m21 sights is that most of the Russkies seems to be 5'8" or something, not to mention they're always hunched over. He was right to say that you can't adjust for wind. To my knowledge there is no freakin wind in OPF anyways.

[nocabiwik]

m21 is m14 with scope
m14 is a newer verson of a m1 carbine

he ak-74 does fire a 5.45mm nato round or there abouts but not a 7.62

you can buy ak 47s from pakistan or south africa for about 600 dollars

the real world range for the druganov and m21 is around 150-200m and they are not dedicated sniper rifles such as a psg 1

IMO ofp does not accurratly simulate sniping accuratly
if you wanna snipe play ghost recon

and i think there is wind in ofp but it only goes in 1 direction?

[Mister Frag]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from nocabiwik on 8:07 am on Dec. 1, 2001
m21 is m14 with scope
m14 is a newer verson of a m1 carbine

he ak-74 does fire a 5.45mm nato round or there abouts but not a 7.62

you can buy ak 47s from pakistan or south africa for about 600 dollars

the real world range for the druganov and m21 is around 150-200m and they are not dedicated sniper rifles such as a psg 1

IMO ofp does not accurratly simulate sniping accuratly
if you wanna snipe play ghost recon

and i think there is wind in ofp but it only goes in 1 direction? [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

There is something wrong with almost EVERY paragraph you posted, and I'm not talking about spelling, either...

[redvex]

Ok guyz, when i started this topic i didn't think it was going to be such big.
I read it all (phew!), but even if you discuss years on it the problem is this: can't get the shot in the center of the crosshair.
I don't know anything about coding, but I hope it won't take much to BIS to fix this in their next patch.

[KillorLive]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from BoonieRat on 2:13 pm on Nov. 25, 2001
What as in 'Flash Suppressor'?, no i mean a S-i-l-e-n-c-e-r!, as in 'shush!, i'm hunting' wabbit!' http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif'

You say toMATE -o, i say toMART-o, but every one here just sez FVCK OFF,that's bullshat!, (to each other, @<hidden> least every other post;) )  http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
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Well, true enough, but "silencer" is all Hollywood.
The correct term is suppressor.

[Gambba]

Killor.............you didn't mention in your guide that the Bullpup design is also one of the most accurate rifles due to the closed bolt (i.e no bolt slamming forwards when fired) and the location of the firing mechanism for weight distrubution.......open to opinions?

LARD, SA80 Assault Rifle!!..........think again, it's a bullpup!

Killor is right about the correct term for a silencer being a suppresor, but from some of the info I have seen it seems that some manufacturers offer suppressors and some sillencers, both offering slighty different characteristics?? (Correct me if I'm wrong)
Who wants a full blown suppressor on a Sniper rifle anyway? a flash suppressor would be a great asset for concealment. The only decent silenced/supreesed gun I've seen was a Chinese pistol which had a suppressor, the only part to move when the trigger was pulled was the firing pin...................one heck of a quite gun.....a small thud and it's all over.

Redvex? are you lying down when taking the shot? (It's just nobodys mentioned this aspect of sniping)

[Mister Frag]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Gambba on 3:31 am on Dec. 14, 2001
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Redvex? are you lying down when taking the shot? (It's just nobodys mentioned this aspect of sniping)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

And of course, don't try to take a shot immediately after running up a hill... http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[DayGlow]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote:
Killor is right about the correct term for a silencer being a suppresor, but from some of the info I have seen it seems that some manufacturers offer suppressors and some sillencers, both offering slighty different characteristics?? (Correct me if I'm wrong)
Who wants a full blown suppressor on a Sniper rifle anyway? a flash suppressor would be a great asset for concealment.  
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A flash suppressor doesn't hide the flash from other people, just the guy firing the gun. They are the cone shaped thing on the end of GPMG and such. Basically it stops the flash on the gun from blinding the guy pulling the trigger. The only use of a flash suppressor on a sniper rifle would be if you were using a starlight scope and didn't want the flash to blind you.

COLINMAN

[Gambba]

You're quite right Dayglow....................... it's just bad typing, it should say 'a suppressor would be a great asset for concealment when used in the right environment' I was then going to go on and say that suppressors would have little affect in the open environment such as Ofp, as the echo would be dissoreintating enough by itself for the enemy to get a fix on the sniper.....but my boss came, and well I had to finish rather quickly.
I apologise for my f**k up, it will teach me to read what I type....for a change.



(Edited by Gambba at 11:34 am on Dec. 14, 2001)

[Gambba]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Mister Frag on 10:25 pm on Dec. 13, 2001
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Gambba on 3:31 am on Dec. 14, 2001
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Redvex? are you lying down when taking the shot? (It's just nobodys mentioned this aspect of sniping)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

And of course, don't try to take a shot immediately after running up a hill... http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
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And of coarse, don't take it when running up that hill... http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[medvidek]

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