Mafia 2

[ArchangelSKT]

Rumors are out that Illusion softworks will show off Mafia 2 at the Games convention at the end of august in Leipzig.

PLEASE let it be so http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif

the german site USK had a trailer that was later removed on the site today.

Still no 100% official word but I cross my fingers ( and toes ) for it.

[D.murphy man]

I rememeber the first Mafia, truly an awsome game! might go and buy next time i see it round, gotta be on budget for about a fiver by now.

Never did manage to complete that infamous raceing mission.

[ArchangelSKT]

Take two will reveal the games they plan to show in Leipzig later today I have read so hopefully we will not have to wait for a long time.

Damn long time since a game made me so excited (not since OPF) if this is true.

Illusion is next to Bohemia for me one of the top developers with the Hidden & Dangerous franchise as well.

[Maddmatt]

Mafia was an excellent game. I even managed to complete the racing mission without using the patch that made it easier http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif It wasn't really that hard, you can follow the other cars for the first few laps to get a feel for the track then overtake then in the last couple laps.

Anyway, would love to play Mafia 2.

[Balschoiw]

I smell conspiracy http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif
I have played The Godfather lately an decided to reinstall MAFIA just for the better feeling this week.
Mafia 2 ?
If it comes remotely close to MAFIA 1 I will buy it.
Even Mafia 1 is still a superb game.

[kavoven]

That would be great, I loved Mafia 1 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[da12thMonkey]

Hope this is true, loved Mafia to bits. The 'Hardest Games' thread brought back a load of memories of just how great a game it was.

Thought Illusion were working on the 'Enemy in Sight' thing last we heard from them?

[ArchangelSKT]

Hope this is true, loved Mafia to bits. The 'Hardest Games' thread brought back a load of memories of just how great a game it was.

Thought Illusion were working on the 'Enemy in Sight' thing last we heard from them?
Yeah so did I, I wonder if they have changed publisher now and are working on another game as well (hopefully next to Mafia 2) Not sure, but I think we will know more in the end of the month.

The new publisher is "3D publisher" think it is Japanese which have said Illusion have one unannounced game for PC, Xbox 360 and PS3 that aim for a fall 2008 release. This game is not currently belived to be "Mafia 2" though.

I am to be honest quite happy just to hear something at all from Illusion again, they are great developers in my opinion.

[POPKA]

one of the funnest moments I had was building up a mass of police cars and then speeding through downtown and crashing into the balcony above the beach, all the police cars would crash into the back of you and would start to do forward flips down into the water, not to mention the fun of the tight turn at the lighthouse which if navigated poorly would have you smashed on the rocks below http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Sc@tterbrain]

Very happy to hear this. After HOURS of trying I finnaly passed the racing mission without the "go-around" patch...
but only after dusting off my old steering wheel and pedals.

This one is certainly on the list. Would be really happy to hear they were working on Armed & Dangerous 3, but I fear that's not likely.

[sander]

Mafia rates among the best games ever released, combining a well crafted SP campaign, a stunning game environment (both the city and the countryside are excellent) and the Freeride mode as a more stylish GTA. The only drawback it shares with Hidden and dangerous 2 and Vietcong is that it is hard to modify.

Regards,

Sander

[Heatseeker]

Aha, i also read these rumours.

Lets hope there will be features to make the game world more interesting/interactive this time.

And as we go thru it (and buildings open) they will remain open too.

Ahh Mafia http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/inlove.gif .

[colossus]

Small detail, it's Take Two which might show Mafia 2. Not Illusion Softworks, so I doubt they are the developer http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif

[hardrock]

I smell conspiracy http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif
I have played The Godfather lately an decided to reinstall MAFIA just for the better feeling this week.
Hehe, same here.

Yesterday, I really thought about reinstalling and playing Mafia without having seen this thread. Just five minutes ago I thought about researching about a possible Mafia 2 game . . .

And now I see this topic http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

[Baff1]

I was thinking that this....

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=27669


Illusionsofts Next Gen project, was going to be this game. Moscow Rhapsody.

http://www.nofrag.com/2006/dec/30/24081/

[King-Six]

Take two will reveal the games they plan to show in Leipzig later today I have read so hopefully we will not have to wait for a long time.

Damn long time since a game made me so excited (not since OPF) if this is true.

Illusion is next to Bohemia for me one of the top developers with the Hidden & Dangerous franchise as well.
dont forget vietcong too they had a hand in that as well. another a1 first class game.

[kutya]

I liked Mafia a lot.

At first it seemed like a GTA3 put into the 30's, but after playing a couple of missions, I saw it's a differrent aproach.

The story is one of the best I played on the PC, but the interaction with the city was IMO a weak point.

I had problems with the race too, but after about 20-25 tries, I managed to get the hang of it. Now I can relatively easily win it. well, about 1 of 5 at least...

I really liked the shootout at the airport and the mission when you had to hit a guy in his home, but when you entered, he jumped out the window in underpants, so you had to chase him.

If there will be a sequel, I hope it to be just as good. Just improve the city.

[Maddmatt]

...
I really liked the shootout at the airport and the mission when you had to hit a guy in his home, but when you entered, he jumped out the window in underpants, so you had to chase him.
...
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
The game had some very interesting moments. The missions often had more to them than just shooting bad guys. Like the one where you had to get on board the boat to assassinate some guy. You could walk around, talk to people and drink some wine at the bar and get a bit drunk http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Hope Mafia 2 is just as good.

[ArchangelSKT]

Take two will reveal the games they plan to show in Leipzig later today I have read so hopefully we will not have to wait for a long time.

Damn long time since a game made me so excited (not since OPF) if this is true.

Illusion is next to Bohemia for me one of the top developers with the Hidden & Dangerous franchise as well.
dont forget vietcong too they had a hand in that as well. another a1 first class game.
Yeah I thought about it when I wrote the post but I was not sure if it was a 100% Illusion softworks product or if there was other developers involved so I didn`t mention it  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Strangely enough I haven`t tried that game yet  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif


Looks like there is no official word yet, so I guess they just save it for the conference which is just days away anyway.

[ArchangelSKT]

I liked Mafia a lot.

At first it seemed like a GTA3 put into the 30's, but after playing a couple of missions, I saw it's a differrent aproach.

The story is one of the best I played on the PC, but the interaction with the city was IMO a weak point.

I had problems with the race too, but after about 20-25 tries, I managed to get the hang of it. Now I can relatively easily win it. well, about 1 of 5 at least...

I really liked the shootout at the airport and the mission when you had to hit a guy in his home, but when you entered, he jumped out the window in underpants, so you had to chase him.

If there will be a sequel, I hope it to be just as good. Just improve the city.
Yes I remember this Mafia was released just after GTA III if I remember correctly.
It has never ceased to amaze me that some people claimed that the grafics was better in GTA then in Mafia, even the cars in Mafia is better ( I have heard ) then the cars in Godfather which is alot more recent.

I love Mafia and I have played it five times, first two times with a keyboard and the last three with my Logitech DFP.
Playing Mafia with a wheel is a true treat as the physics in the game is great on the cars.
Awesome feeling, just cruicing around, and the chases are alot of fun.

However I do agree with the criticism on the game that it is to linear in the storyline, so if we indeed get a sequel now then I hope for more non-linear gameplay and a MP COOP part which I have always wanted in this game.

[Messiah]

aaaah, Mafia

Of all the computer games I've played it still rates as having the best storyline of any game to date. Very compelling and engrossing, even though it of course was a tad linear (some endings would change depending on the number of times you played it or how close you were to a chase etc), but the overall plot was very involving and you really got a feel for the era that was trying to be portayed

I agree with the points made about the city being less than perfect... it was beautfully made, but it as very much a backdrop, rather than something that could be truely interactive... one of my favourite missions was 'The Whore' - the hotel, roof and church sections were excellent - The bank raid was equally good.

to better it, the shooting from cars should be imporved (i.e. have more views so its actually possible to hit more things), and also should be more of it for the player - you get to use a tommy gun from the back of the car once (I'm not counting the rear of the truck shooting of the chasing cars here) and then it was following a slow moving easy to hit plane, and of course improve how much you can interact with the city.

with an equally good storyline, it could be a truely great follow up.

[da12thMonkey]

one of my favourite missions was 'The Whore' - the hotel, roof and church sections were excellent
That was my favourite mission. The last bit in the church was awesome; hugely clichéd but it was mega ducking and diving between the pughs and dropping rival gangsters with the S&W Magnum.

Probably the best shootout I've had in any game.

[Messiah]

hehehe - indeed it was cliche, but I agree, one of the best shoot outs in any game- not to mention dropping the bucket of bricks onto the guys head at the start http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[kavoven]

From the German magazine PC-Games:


Quote[/b] ]Vor wenigen Tagen tauchte auf der offiziellen Seite der Unterhaltungssoftware Selbstkontrolle (USK) ein überraschendes Prüfergebnis auf.

Laut den letzten Testergebnissen wurde vor Kurzem der GC-Trailer zu Mafia 2 überprüft und mit der Einstufung "Freigegeben ab 16 Jahren gemäß § 14 JuSchG" versehen. Daraus kann man erahnen, dass Take 2 zur bald stattfindenen Games Convention die Katze aus dem Sack lässt und vielleicht den langerwarteten Nachfolger zu Mafia ankündigt.

In English:
The German USK (Age controll for video games) checked a trailer for Mafia 2 and said it would be 16+. This hint could mean that Take2 will publish a Mafia 2 Trailer on the GC. The info was only for a few hours on the homepage of the USK and was then removed again.

So perhaps we can expect something http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[rundll.exe]

Damn, If I had the time I would install it again and play it from the beginning again.

Its the best game in its sort by FAR, and GTA is way behind imho, in atmosphere, car handling, shooting etc.

[Heatseeker]

Looks like we all agree about two things.

1. Mafia is a great game.

2. The sequel should have better/more interaction.

More side jobs, more interiors (restaurants, bars, houses) and more things to do/explore.

Lets hope for the best http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif .

[Messiah]

aaah yes - i think deffinately something to make the free roam sections more interesting perhaps - or even bite the bullet and take up the GTA style of always free roaming between missions/chapters

but then you could risk losing the flowing story line

[Heatseeker]

aaah yes - i think deffinately something to make the free roam sections more interesting perhaps - or even bite the bullet and take up the GTA style of always free roaming between missions/chapters

but then you could risk losing the flowing story line
Well, i remember there were some side missions in Mafia, remember the garage fellow who would ask you for favours? (and in return would tip you where you could find nice cars)..

I remember one where i had to take one injured guy full speed from china town to the doctor (very hard), i always payed him a visit before returning to Salieri's because i didnt want to miss out on any of the game.

And to make the city more enjoyabe/explorable they would have to open some buildings, the mission specific ones could be opened only after we beat their respective mission.

Imagination.. imagination http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif .

edit:
We only read some rumours this far and im already alot more hyped about a possible Mafia 2 than... crysis.

[Average Joe]

I'll see if I can confirm it guys http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Messiah]

Heatseeker - well, yes, but I never really counted those as proper side missions, as they were always placed at the end of a main mission as an 'optional extra' so to speak.

I'm meaning much more like the GTA series, but in doing so, as I previously stated, I'd fear that it would detract from what is ultimately the best part of Mafia, and that is the story line

[Heatseeker]

Heatseeker - well, yes, but I never really counted those as proper side missions, as they were always placed at the end of a main mission as an 'optional extra' so to speak.

I'm meaning much more like the GTA series, but in doing so, as I previously stated, I'd fear that it would detract from what is ultimately the best part of Mafia, and that is the story line
Well, i was just thinking about something "extra" to do in betwean the main plot missions, but not cheap gta type stuff.
They could throw in unique side missions like convincing some establishment owners that its a good idea to have a little side ensurance, small jobs we could do betwean the main plot missions, i would rather have these than free ride.

I just hope they give more life to the city, more events, more interiors, etc.

I installed Mafia's demo to see if it works (it does and looks great), Illusion's old ls3d dx8 engine can pull some really neat graphics, way better than any gta.

[ArchangelSKT]

I haven`t read any news yet but I saw a list over the companies and the games that are to be shown (maybe not a compete list) and Mafia 2 was not mentioned there.

However there was a quote

"In addition to the stellar line-up, two new and unannounced games from established and popular brands will be revealed for the first time at Games Convention 2007"

So there is still a chance.

Eventhough I have to say with all the places I have seen this rumors online I believe we will see Mafia 2.

[Messiah]

Heatseeker - well, yes, but I never really counted those as proper side missions, as they were always placed at the end of a main mission as an 'optional extra' so to speak.

I'm meaning much more like the GTA series, but in doing so, as I previously stated, I'd fear that it would detract from what is ultimately the best part of Mafia, and that is the story line
Well, i was just thinking about something "extra" to do in betwean the main plot missions, but not cheap gta type stuff.
They could throw in unique side missions like convincing some establishment owners that its a good idea to have a little side ensurance, small jobs we could do betwean the main plot missions, i would rather have these than free ride.

I just hope they give more life to the city, more events, more interiors, etc.

I installed Mafia's demo to see if it works (it does and looks great), Illusion's old ls3d dx8 engine can pull some really neat graphics, way better than any gta.
agreed - the stealing cars side missions were fun enough, but yes, a few extra 'hands on' missions instead of the free ride business - I'd also like the free ride intergrated into the story, so you can have a ponce around between missions with the vehicles you've stolen, and meet the people you've met etc

[ArchangelSKT]

Another option that I would love to have is the ability to stash all kinds of stuff in your car ( think more like the loadout screen for H&D2 ) for weapons etc...

I also agree that I would hope we get more stuff to do http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif


Oh boy I just realized how dissapointed I will be if all the rumors have been false http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

[Heatseeker]

Hard to believe that Mafia is 5 years old, 1 year younger than OPF and with cranked up settings it still looks amazing http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/inlove.gif .

Back then i used the imagine how great games would be 5 or so years down the road... today i wonder: wtf went wrong?

[ArchangelSKT]

This could all be BS, but I post the link anyway.

http://www.subdogs.se/artiklar.php?ID=18

Swedish, with translation.

I`m starting to get impatient now, if this all is a hoax I get sad http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

[kavoven]

First Screenshots available http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

Mafia 2 Screenies (http://www.pcgames.de/?menu=browser&article_id=610470&image_id=685326)

[Raptor]

Watn is den heut schon Weihnachten? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif

juhu, great.
I will be the first one, which make the preorder. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Berghoff]

Nice but screens say nothing about gameplay. Hopefully it will be again a very story driven game like Mafia 1.

[ArchangelSKT]

Holy those screens looks good, but as the above poster say it says nothing about gameplay, though the original game and the H&D series makes me believe that we are in good hands with Illusion http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif

[Heatseeker]

Uh, looks even better than i expected http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif .
Illusion really working on it? I thought they were dead.

Ok, the trailer is still hidden but someone who saw it came up with a... description, looks like it will take place in the 50's though http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif.
http://www.subdogs.se/artiklar.php?ID=18

[ArchangelSKT]

Uh, looks even better than i expected http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif .
Illusion really working on it? I thought they were dead.

Ok, the trailer is still hidden but someone who saw it came up with a... description, looks like it will take place in the 50's though http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif.
http://www.subdogs.se/artiklar.php?ID=18
Uhm look on my post a few inches above http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

[Heatseeker]

Uh, looks even better than i expected http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif .
Illusion really working on it? I thought they were dead.

Ok, the trailer is still hidden but someone who saw it came up with a... description, looks like it will take place in the 50's though http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif.
http://www.subdogs.se/artiklar.php?ID=18
Uhm look on my post a few inches above http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
Oh, hmm oops.

Anyway i cant wait http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/inlove.gif .

[VISTREL]

Oh man, MAFIA1 was great game. A lot better than GTA. Can't wait for MAFIA2. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/pistols.gif

[SteveVCB]

I've always been a fan of gangster films, so I loved Mafia. One of my favourite things about it was how the police would try and do you for mundane things like speeding or running red lights, or carrying a weapon; a far cry from GTA, where you could stand in front of a police car with a rocket launcher and not have them do a thing until after you blew something up. It forced you to box clever a lot of the time, unlike most games. Plus, when you did start rattling away with a Thompson, or start tear-arsing around the city at high speed, it was a release. It was one of the few games that made me feel bad about killing cops too.

Can't wait for the sequel.

[Nilz]

Shakycam & shttysound trailer http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmVrVBmqYaU

[PainDealer]

damn I hope this one's coming with multiplayer option! would have been great fun with the first game indeed. screens look nice.

[Heatseeker]

http://games.tiscali.cz/clanek/screen.asp?id=12318
So so beautyfull, compared to it GTA4 is looking like a console game http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif .

[D.murphy man]

looks great, first game was amazing. However i think they need to tune the bloom down when looking at the screen shots, every thing seems to be glowing.

[Messiah]

I can't wait for this. DX10 we assume? This would be one of the only games that would make me get Vista and a DX10 card.

[ArchangelSKT]

I can't wait for this. DX10 we assume? This would be one of the only games that would make me get Vista and a DX10 card.
Yes for me as well.

Last year I was basically giving myself two options :

1) Buy a console and a Tv couse not much I was interested in was coming out on the PC
2) Run my PC as long as I could just playing old favorites and then probably stop playing alltogether.

But when Mafia 2 was announced I decided to get another gaming pc which probably will be my last one (I`m getting older http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif).
So now I have decided to hold it off until we get the specifications for the game so I will build it around Mafia 2, and also OFP2.

If those two games (and ARMA2) delivers I may never need another PC anyway http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

And Mafia 2 truly puts GTA IV to shame from what I have seen, Mafia 2 is developed primarily for the PC platform though I believe which is awesome.

[Messiah]

Agreed, I was getting quite dissapointed with the current PC game prospects. Mafia 2, Spore and GTA4 (when it eventually arrives on pc) will make that all better.

I preferred Mafia to the GTA series, but still owned both. Mafia seems much more clinical and well polished. It just looks brilliant and had such an excellent story. GTA is fun, plain and simple. Will be getting both, but Mafia 2 has my mind racing the most.

[ArchangelSKT]

Yes if GTA IV will be released on PC, which I believe I will seriously consider getting it as I enjoyed GTA III in a way.
But for me GTA III was like "blah just play to get it over with"
in the end.

With Mafia it is entirely different.
As I have said many other times on other forums, GTA is cool, but Mafia is a real class act.

Mafia 2 is my most highly anticipated game for the moment ( along with OFP2) and I haven`t felt this anticipation for a game in a long time. Last time must have been "Hidden and dangerous 2" in 2003\04.

That being said Mafia 2 also looks to be tailored as an mature game, which I appriciate as I become increasingly more picky as I get older.
I will for sure give the original another spin before the release of Mafia 2, probably watch "The Godfather" as well.

Speaking of which, I am now rewatching "The Sopranos" http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

The graphics on the screens that have been released look to me alot better then I imagined to be honest, everything seems to be so "alive" and nothing seems just to be "pasted" into the screen as a mere empty object.

For me "Mafia" is first and foremost about a good story, and driving.
The Car has always had a central place in any mobsters life and that is why I am a bit surprised to read that alot of gamers held the driving in "Mafia" to be prolonged and negative.
For me it was one of the truly great things about the game as you can think about the mission going there, and also you have to behave and watch out for the cops.
The issue of having to drive to the mission and then return to Salieri`s in the original added alot of non-linear action inside a linear story, couse afterall you had to get back home possibly escaping the cops.
Sometimes I had success in my missions but get cought up getting attention from the police and from there it could often escalate into me getting killed in a roadblock after many carchases http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

I have no doubt that we will have the same core playability in "Mafia 2" but with added features that make the game more interesting as in regards to replayability.
A great story I almost take for granted, and I am also very eager to see how the driving physics will turn out as it was one of "Mafia`s" strongpoints.

[SaBrE_UK]

There's a good preview in this month's ZONE (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/sites/pczone/), should be on the site soon http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Messiah]

couldn't agree more Archangel - my only gripe ever with Mafia, was that you never really got to have much time in the back of cars shooting the tommy gun.

story was always the major driving point of Mafia, it was just so very involving. I felt like I was playing through Goodfellas.

[ArchangelSKT]

There's a good preview in this month's ZONE (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/sites/pczone/), should be on the site soon http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Oh thats great.
There already has been alot of new information this week (if you check the Take2 forums for the game) and it all sounds very promising.

I love that the city "Empire City" will be about twize the size of "Lost Heaven", though we will not get that much countryside this time as the total map is about 70% of the original. Though alot of the countryside map in the original was tied up and only had some small roads.

We will also be able to story guns in the trunk of the car for example, and to get a house of our own where we can store guns etc I guess.
Some gamers have complained about that it seems to move into GTA territory but I disagree as long as the mainstory stays very solid. In my opinion it looks like Mafia 2 will have alot more things on the side in addition to a great story.

Replayability is always important for me and to be fair Mafia didn`t have alot of that besides the freeroam and freeroam extreme which in itself was ok, but this time I expect a bit more and I think we will get it as well.

The car damage is said to be equally\more advanced then the one in the latest burnout game, besides that I assume they keep up the driving physics from the first game as I mentioned in my previous post.

Looking at those screens, thinking about a beautiful city twize the size of "Lost Heaven" to drive around in all those cars http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif , wheels\pedals is a must for me in this game.

And the car tommygun thing, there is some shooting from the car in the official trailer and it is also shown in a few screens so far so I would not worry about that http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[SiC-Disaster]

http://games.tiscali.cz/clanek/screen.asp?id=12318
So so beautyfull, compared to it GTA4 is looking like a console game http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif .
GTA4 IS a console game.
PC gamers just get a port.

[MehMan]

I hope the speed limit will be removed. The novelty of obeying the law soon lost its fun after the third time. Also, it sucked because in a mission where you had to run away from somebody you usually had to stick to the speed limit while they didn't.

[ArchangelSKT]

As I understand in Mafia 2 the cops will not only go after you but also others that break the law.

And I don`t agree it losts it fun in obeying the law, it added another dimension to the game in my opinion.

[Messiah]

http://games.tiscali.cz/clanek/screen.asp?id=12318
So so beautyfull, compared to it GTA4 is looking like a console game http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif .
GTA4 IS a console game.
PC gamers just get a port.
indeed, and they never really addressed the fact that shooting with a mouse and keyboard, is inherently easier and more accurate that with a game pad, so most of the missions were far far easier than in their console counterparts.

still, always enjoyable. and lets not forget that GTA's roots are on the PC, not the console. God bless top down GTA.

[Mr Burns]

God bless top down GTA.
Amen to that! ... and i usually never say amen http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

GTA 1 (abandonware) (http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/184/Grand+Theft+Auto.html)

[Heatseeker]

Im very hyped too, but this time i hope there will be more to it than a good story and memorable missions.
Mafia was missing a well thought out MP mode and things to do in the city.

Free ride just didnt feel wright after finishing the plot.

[Messiah]

yes, indeed - the free ride mode was a little... afterthought - even free ride extreme where you collected those strange cars was a bit odd.

Would you, say, prefer it to follow the GTA philosophy of having free ride during the entire story, so you choose when to move onto the next 'mission'? Thus allowing you to have a bit of a play around between the story line.

[Placebo]

Personally I hope they keep the core ethos of Mafia 1 but add the more open worldness of GTA, GTA is at its best when you have a multitude of things to do, many different people around to offer you missions, many different activities to do at any one time, things like that http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Talking of "Open worldness" there's a feature on Open World gaming in the next issue of PC Zone UK, I believe a certain awesome member of Bohemia Interactive was interviewed for it http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[Raptor]

Nice hint Paul,
yes I also hope that there will be an ambient enviroment.
Judging from the first pictures, that seems a feature which will be implemented in a late state of the developement.
But I also hope that the athmophere of Mafia I will be taken over to Mafia2 by the developers.

But now, waiting for 29. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Placebo]

Nice hint Paul
Yeah I thought it was a very subtle segue myself http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[kavoven]

I just hope they keep the transportation system... I just loved it!
Hijacking a car here, getting somewhere else by train... that was some kind of freedom you rarely have in computer games. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[SaBrE_UK]

I believe a certain awesome member of Bohemia Interactive was interviewed for it http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Awwww I cancelled my subscription and my last one came a few days ago http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif I'm sure it'll appear on CVG in the end, though.

[ArchangelSKT]

yes, indeed - the free ride mode was a little... afterthought - even free ride extreme where you collected those strange cars was a bit odd.

Would you, say, prefer it to follow the GTA philosophy of having free ride during the entire story, so you choose when to move onto the next 'mission'? Thus allowing you to have a bit of a play around between the story line.
Alot of the features that some preview talk about like that you can drink,eat, buy a house, wash your car etc...
But they have not specified if this is freeroam features being separated from the main story or if it is included as a posibilty in-between as you asked in your question.

I don`t see a problem if we have freeroam in between missions, as the people who would want the main story seperated from it could just complete it without using the possibility to freeroam anyway.
It would just be an extra drive to this games "Salieri`s" anyway for the people that want to avoid it.
 
More options as I see it.

Besides that owning an own house, car etc in the mainstory makes it a little bit more lose in a good way I think.
Like I always wondered where Tommy lived in the original, it adds a bit of character in my opinion.
I hope we can buy and store some weapons there as well.

It has already been confirmed that we will have more choices as to which weapons we want to carry in missions, as the originals method was a bit to narrow in my opinion.

I`m sure the mainstory will be tight no matter what added options\features we get on the side.

MP though there will not be, it is a strictly SP experience which I think is a bit sad, I would have loved if Mafia 2 would have MP.
I posted on a suggested method on the official boards where you have a "heist-mode" which would be like :

Two teams, cops and mobsters

The mobsters have to pull of a heist, but there would be like 5 banks to chose from (or randomly assigned as a target) in that way it would not be the same place to rob everytime. So the ones playing the cops would not no where to go.

And as long as the mobsters (who could have random skins for each turn for example) would do there best to blend in they would be very hard to single out from the NPC.

Sure there would be alot of other possibilities, but it would have to have a mode which was a bit "real" and not totally anarchistic in its nature, but of course with mature players you can get that anyway I guess.

[MehMan]

The time frame now is the early 50s right? I wonder if there's a mission where you have to eliminate Tommy...

[Espectro]

I loved Mafia 1, looking forward to this one http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif.

Oh, and i'm getting GTA IV on tuesday on release http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif - looking forward to that as well. IGN gave it a brand-spanking 10!!

Video review by IGN:

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor....08.html (http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/827005/grand-theft-auto-4/videos/gta4_review_042508.html)

[ArchangelSKT]

Yeah I saw that, looks like GTA IV is a nice game, though even if I admit I am more of a Mafia fanboy then GTA I seriously hope Mafia II will get the credit and attention it deserves in relation to GTA IV. (hard to say as it is not out yet http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif ).

But Mafia still got very little attention as compared to GTA III back in 2002, I just hope the same does not happen again.

More people seem to tune in on Mafia 2 this time around though, hopefully it will make more people get the original as well as they wait on the release.

[sparks50]

*dig dig*

Demo is out on steam and consoles now. Its pretty amazing, you can really tell that they spent all that time to get all those details right.

protip: turn driving simulation on in options if you like a.. challenge :p

[kavoven]

Thank you! I totally forgot that I wanted to see the demo =)

[Heatseeker]

Just tried it, the gameplay feels consolish... and it reminds me more of GTA IV in the 50's than Mafia. Cant help to feel disapointed about it.

[SaOk]

I found the Mafia 2 demo amazing great. You can see slightly the console effect, but the game is still very unique with details, mood, story, characters and the physics, car simulation, music, fighting system and shooting are excelent too. I expect the full game to be one of the best games ever.

I cant also wait to see if there is more games coming from 2K Czech in year or two since they have now a brand new game engine. Last time they brought (Mafia1, Vietcong, H&D2) in one year and also two addon-packs for them.

[sparks50]

I just love the level of detail. The police system has been improved over the M1 system. (and the old system was already the best by far in any open world shooter)
If your quick, you can rob a store and get away before the police arrive.

Let the employee live: the police will question him/her, and if you walk in again the employee may recognize you.

Kill the employee: the shop becomes a crime scene. Shoot from a specific location, sneak away and the police will walk past you and search in your old location.


If theres no witnesses to the crime, the police wont arrive at all.

[Dwarden]

i must agree the demo decision is very well done step from 2kGames ...

[11aTony]

I just tried the demo and I have to say it is amazing. The graphics are beautiful and the driving on simulation is pretty good. Cover system is nice as well, not clunky. I cant wait for full game.

[AAD10 Pete]

Mafia 1, one of the best game I have ever played so far...

[Wolfrug]

I, too, think the demo was absolutely beautiful. The selling point is, of course, the driving: while I'm sure there'll be tons and tons of indoor shootouts, it seems like they'll basically work the same as in GTA IV: a filler inbetween all the crazy drivin' stunts ;) Anyway, I thought the music and the scenery were very pretty - I even got pulled over for speeding and got to pay the ticket, no problems. So yeah. Great stuff! Loved Mafia, definitely getting this (once it hits the bargain bin, that is...:( )

Regards,
Wolfrug

[RobertHammer]

I like really like the mafia 2 - detail , atmosfere ,but you are right it got the little consolish gameplay ,but no problem for me :)

tryed PC one and i will try PS3 one ,but guys are saying - the ps3 version is alot worse than PC one :p

[11aTony]

Huh, I can not play any game that has gun in it on console. I just have to have good old mouse & keyboard setup. Anyway, anyone knows if the full PC game will be steam only like MW2? I hope not.

[TheSun]

Nope, it's available in game stores for preorder for a while now.

[11aTony]

You could buy MW2 in store as well but Steam is still required to play.

[kavoven]

Great demo, a wee bit short though. :)

[sparks50]

My only complaint is that the indoor shooting gets way too easy with the cover system.

Shootouts in the streets are harder, because there the enemy can arrive from anywhere.

[TheSun]

You could buy MW2 in store as well but Steam is still required to play.

Ah, didn't know that. Then i'm not sure what's the situation here.


My only complaint is that the indoor shooting gets way too easy with the cover system. Theres no challenge in it.

That and i miss the reloading system when you were reloading a whole mag.

[Heatseeker]

I cant help feeling that i just played a cut down version of GTA IV instead of a Mafia sequel, more detailed in areas, less in others but not as refined as i expected a Mafia sequel to be.
The shops, the hotdog stands and even the death screen (black and white screen in slow motion) are all too familiar, even the cover system, police and radio broadcasts remind me of GTA IV more than Mafia.

The classy Mafia presentation and stylish menus are gone, a picture with huge letters in the middle of the screen decorates the main menu and there are barely any options and settings to be found, i cant replace that offensive huge cross with a more subttle crosshair and the only way i can navigate the menu with good mouse response is by disabling vsync, typical console port style..

The city looks tiny, early on 2k stated that Empire Bay would be 4 times the size of New Haven but the city is atleast more interactive and alive, just not as much as.. GTA IV.

Realism was tossed out, you no longer carry loaded magazines but have an ordinary magazine pool instead, meaning you dont loose rounds thru partial reloads.
I was able to carry all the weapons i could find like a walking armory so carefull selection is unimportant, i also dislike the fact that you can no longer search corpses and dropped weapons lying on the floor.. glow.
Health regeneration is in place.

And they scrapped melee weapons, no knives or baseball bats anymore, probably why every thug in town carries a colt 1911.

Its pretty and i like the cars but its not the Mafia sequel i anticipated, if you ask me it needed more work :( .

[Archamedes]

I cant help feeling that i just played a cut down version of GTA IV instead of a Mafia sequel, more detailed in areas, less in others but not as refined as i expected a Mafia sequel to be.
The shops, the hotdog stands and even the death screen (black and white screen in slow motion) are all too familiar, even the cover system, police and radio broadcasts remind me of GTA IV more than Mafia.

The classy Mafia presentation and stylish menus are gone, a picture with huge letters in the middle of the screen decorates the main menu and there are barely any options and settings to be found, i cant replace that offensive huge cross with a more subttle crosshair and the only way i can navigate the menu with good mouse response is by disabling vsync, typical console port style..

The city looks tiny, early on 2k stated that Empire Bay would be 4 times the size of New Haven but the city is atleast more interactive and alive, just not as much as.. GTA IV.

Realism was tossed out, you no longer carry loaded magazines but have an ordinary magazine pool instead, meaning you dont loose rounds thru partial reloads.
I was able to carry all the weapons i could find like a walking armory so carefull selection is unimportant, i also dislike the fact that you can no longer search corpses and dropped weapons lying on the floor.. glow.
Health regeneration is in place.

And they scrapped melee weapons, no knives or baseball bats anymore, probably why every thug in town carries a colt 1911.

Its pretty and i like the cars but its not the Mafia sequel i anticipated, if you ask me it needed more work :( .

remember the days when we had games like pacman, space invaders or even super mario bros on the nes. All those games took a few weeks to make and everybody loved them and never complained once. It seems that nowadays everyone is spoilt for choice when it comes to games, yet nobody is ever satisfied by anything thats made. "theres always an improvement thats needed for this or that game."

[Leopardi]

remember the days when we had games like pacman, space invaders or even super mario bros on the nes. All those games took a few weeks to make and everybody loved them and never complained once. It seems that nowadays everyone is spoilt for choice when it comes to games, yet nobody is ever satisfied by anything thats made. "theres always an improvement thats needed for this or that game."

yea that's because back then there were no standards, so those games were the best anyone could imagine. Now there are much better games made in the past and it's going backwards except graphics.

[trickster1982]

Dont forget the message at the beginning of the demo - that the demo is unfinished product & the full game will be different :)
Anyway I've just had a few goes at the demo, and I can see me spending many happy hours in this game! I missed GTA4 so any comparisons to that game are irrelevant to me, the last game of this style I played was GTA san andreas with all the limitations the technology back then had, so this is a new experience for me. Graphics are gorgeous, gun play is fun, story line seems promising, the driving seems fine & theres a ridiculous amount of little details in the world to take notice of! posters on the wall, newspaper headlines, the playboy mags, the way womens skirts flow as they walk rather than rigid polygons, the awesome soundtrack, I could go on...:cool:

[Archamedes]

gta is a pointless arcade with a basic storyline that doesnt follow any real goal Alough i have enjoyed all the GTA games and never took them seriously. mafia on the otherhand was a very powerful game, the story was very in depth, powerful and close to any scorsese gangster film you could watch. Every mission was fun, even though a few were a bit crazy and over the top, they all had an important part that followed the story. I cant wait to get my hands on this.

[Scruffy]

remember the days when we had games like pacman, space invaders or even super mario bros on the nes. All those games took a few weeks to make and everybody loved them and never complained once. It seems that nowadays everyone is spoilt for choice when it comes to games, yet nobody is ever satisfied by anything thats made. "theres always an improvement thats needed for this or that game."
Yes, but take OFP which was released in 2001. We're all still here because we liked that game and because we got improvements in the successors. And we post here to get even more improvements (official or addon)

Mafia 1 came out in 2002 and now we finally got the successor (or at least a first look at it) and instead of an improvement it's missing some things. You can't even shoot out of your car anymore. So we were already spoiled eight years ago and why wouldn't you expect the same features?


That little rant aside, the demo still looks promising. I really like the setting, music and atmosphere in the city and if the story and mission are half as good as in part 1 it's still a good game.
By the way, the game somehow looks like in Arma when 3D resolution is below 100%, any way to get SSAA working on an ATI card?

[GoOB]

Nice demo.... In some respects however, I agree with Heatseeker - It feels somewhat like a downscaled version of GTA IV. But bearing in mind that Mafia 2 doesn't aim to be a sandbox game per sé, but rather a game focused on storytelling, with some free roaming tossed in as an extra. Many of the things that are lacking in the world compared to GTA IV can be forgiven.

I will definitely buy this game, whether it will be for PC or for XB360 remains to be seen - My rig scored rather well on the benchmark, 63 FPS on average, but during the last part of the demo mission everything slowed down to a nasty crawl, with next to no regard for settings being lowered.

[Maddmatt]

That cover system sure makes the combat easy, I wish games would stop implementing that stupid system that lets you hide while still magically seeing around the cover.

Is there a hack or something to get rid of the time limit when roaming the city? They had this in the demo for the first game too, pretty lame.

Seems like a very good game overall. Nothing groundbreaking but good fun, better than the usual crap. I like that it doesn't take mor than two or 3 shots for anyone, including the player, to die. Makes firefights seem a little more believable.

Dumbed down in some ways, but better in others. The simulation mode for cars is pretty awesome, still not super realistic but it sure makes driving more fun.
I might just buy this one :)

Despite the cover system I find combat here much more fun and immersive than GTA4. I don't think the game feels anything like GTA4. It's in a city and lets you roam around, hardly a GTA exclusive feature.

Edit: There is a time limit patch out there, but it's a modified *.exe so I don't know if posting it is ok, Google it yourself if you want it...

[Leopardi]

The police AI is very good in this game. It acts based on what they actually see.

[SiC-Disaster]

This comparison with GTA was going on already back in the Mafia 1 days.
Though Mafia did have an open world there was very little to do, and roaming wasnt very interesting. Now with all the citizens doing various things it should be more interesting, but it still isnt the strong point of the game. That would be storytelling, which is excellent.
General consesus was that Mafia wasnt really comparable because of the maturity difference, though it has some comparisons.

I have to agree with Maddmatt though.
This cover system is getting very tiresome, it would be better to just get rid of it.
Nuisances range from seeing stuff you shouldnt be able to, to the more severe 'half of my body is sticking out of cover, but i've got coversystem on so i cant be shot' syndrome.
The cover system itself could be acceptable however with health regeneration added on top it feels like cheating, and the game offers no challenge in combat situations, up to the point of being ridiculously easy.
On top of that comes the fact the combat plays exactly the same like other shooters, and that leaves the game with no feeling of it's own, which is a terrible shame.
I mean, everything is there: the open world which is fantastically designed and alive, believable characters with a possibly very interesting storyline (there isnt much to tell since it's just a demo, but if it's anything to the scope of Mafia 1 we're in for a treat), but it loses a lot of the impact because it plays like everything else.

So the bottom line is, it's tempting, but i doubt if it's a buy for me.

[sparks50]

Mafia 1 had some extra hours in the crazy extreme mode though. A big contrast to the usually serious game

[Mafiozo]

as for the Mafia 2 demo - I think it succeeds in transforming you back to the time period in which it is occuring, in this case - the 50's. Driving around with "Rock around the Clock" on the radio just made me feel nostalgic about all those flicks we've all watched which also took place in the 50's.
and I think that's the strongpoint of Mafia 2 (demo, but I don't think the feeling will differ in the full game) - that's what makes it a unique experience - the same formula that, IMO, also made Mafia 1 so special - the 30's feeling to it, it was unmatched.

for the Obvious GTA comparisons - I have to say this: I'm sure many will agree with me that Vice City was and is still the best GTA game in the whole serie. why? there are so many reasons, but the main one for me - setting! VC is the closest thing for me in terms of going back in time to the 80's. I know R* made it while solidly "Pumping" the nostalgia factor - but there's nothing wrong with that, because it's perfect.

I also have to mention OFP:CWC and its expansions. it FELT for me like it was occuring in 1985, apart from a specific song played in a certain helicopter cutscene. I played it and kept saying - this is 1985, I'm participating in the cold war, Reagan is sitting in the oval office right now, people go around with big hair. I don't know how it affected others, it might be weird, but I loved and I still do.

guess I'm saying that games that somehow take you into a time machine are always good.

[topas]

One question about the demo;
When I download it via Steam it does automatically install on the machine, right? Can I even just downlaod it on one computer and then install it on another?

sorry; did not use Steam ever before :P

[colossus]

For me Mafia II is all about the story. It might be a little bit more "GTA'ish", but it still got alot the feel from the first game in it.
Worth my money at least.

@<hidden>
Yes, after you have downloaded the demo from Steam it's installed. First startup will include some installation of DirectX and such though.

[ziiip]

Is there going to be a difficulty setting for the full game? I could blaze through the warehouse no problemo.

[Archamedes]

That cover system sure makes the combat easy, I wish games would stop implementing that stupid system

Yeah because in real life, only wimps take cover when people are shooting at them

[NeMeSiS]

Yeah because in real life, only wimps take cover when people are shooting at them

Because in real life i cant look around corners when i am hiding behind something because i do not have acces to a flying camera over my shoulder.

[SiC-Disaster]

Yeah because in real life, only wimps take cover when people are shooting at them

Yeah because in real life, pressing your back against a wall means you are invulnerable to gunfire even if half of your body is sticking out of cover. :rolleyes:

[Abs]

Yeah, because in real life, girls laugh at the size of my penis and refuse to go out with me.

Abs

[NeMeSiS]

Yeah, because in real life, girls laugh at the size of my penis and refuse to go out with me.

Abs

They laugh at your penis before you go out with them? Try pants.

[johncage]

when are they going to make a game about the police? it's always mobsters, gangsters, blah blah. boring.

[RobertHammer]

when are they going to make a game about the police? it's always mobsters, gangsters, blah blah. boring.

You want police simulator? :p

[johncage]

I don't think a simulator would work very well because then you'd have to follow 15 standard procedures just to make an arrest, etc. But a Police based open world game where you can drive around town and respond to crimes would be interesting. Of course another type of police game could be based on detective work instead of the usual patrols. That would be great as well. There's a game coming out called LA Noire that's like that, but it looks very linear, and it's console-ware.

[TimRiceSE]

police quest kicked ass.

[4 IN 1]

I was hoping to see the control to be less chunky, yet it didnt, in fact it feel worse then the first one, the cover system works and the car driving is fun, but basic movememt and related combat suffer big time...

[GoOB]

when are they going to make a game about the police? it's always mobsters, gangsters, blah blah. boring.

http://www.rockstargames.com/lanoire/ is the only game I can think of that fits the bill. It is being developed for PS3 and XB360 by some of the people that made one of the most underrated open-world games ever, namely The Getaway. A game that also featured some playable police elements.


On a sidenote... After playing the 360 demo I decided to pre-order for console. It just didn't feel as good on the PC :bored:


Just saw L.A Noire mentioned above, woops!

[sparks50]

Swat series.. The True Crime series.. True Crime were mainly just bad though.

Criminals have more freedom than someone in the police so they generally make for more entertaining games.

[Snafu]

You want police simulator? :p

Hell yeah!

[Abs]

They laugh at your penis before you go out with them? Try pants.

Damn. I knew I had a problem. :(


As for the request for police games, I want a police simulator that includes the hours and hours of paperwork that police officers have to do as well. In addition to that, I want to be forced to get a warrant before busting the bad guys. Plus, I also want one where the bad guy gets released on bail 24 hours later...and then I go and kick his ass.

Abs

[Snafu]

As for the request for police games, I want a police simulator that includes the hours and hours of paperwork that police officers have to do as well. In addition to that, I want to be forced to get a warrant before busting the bad guys. Plus, I also want one where the bad guy gets released on bail 24 hours later...and then I go and kick his ass.

Abs

Obviously it wouldn't be like that but something along the lines of what zachanscom said. It would be in the spirit of ArmA, realistic but not the level where you feel like hammering a nail into your head.

[Maddmatt]

Yeah because in real life, only wimps take cover when people are shooting at them
You completely missed my point. Looks like other posters have explained so I wont say any more...
I guess these ridiculous cover systems are so popular because they make the game easy, especially for gamepad users. I hate this system and wish it would die. A system that works in first person would be cool, only a few games do that as far as I know (like Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood but I haven't played it myself).

Mafia is already 3rd person so even without the cover system you can cheat a bit, but at least it wouldn't be as ridiculously easy.

I'm gonna read reviews and see how long this game lasts before I buy it. Like I've said regarding other games, I'm not paying full price for only 6 hours of entertainment.
Still, I look forward to getting it, even if it means waiting until it's cheap or on sale.

[sparks50]

I am largely very happy with this demo. Preordered the full thing. I have 3 minor complaints:

-Police wont know what to do with you if you climb up on a car
-cover system with 3rd view makes indoor fighting too easy
-Shoot a cop in the head without witnesses, and all cops will immediately be alerted about it.

[ziiip]

There are lot of minor AI defects, but its okay overall.

[Fox '09]

the ai are pretty dumb

[HyperU2]

I tried to download the demo but the devil (Steam) had issues. Not really my kind of game but it looks great.

[ziiip]

Someone on youtube said he beat the game in 11 hours. I thinks that is hardly a good lenght. :protest:

[SiC-Disaster]

Well, considering most games these days not even offering 8 hours, and some clocking in at 4 hours (COD:MW anyone), 11 hours isnt that bad.

[Zipper5]

Well, the game has been getting mixed reviews, with the main criticism being that after you complete the story there's nothing else to do.

I'll probably still get it when I get the chance. I liked the demo, and I like a good story.

[ziiip]

I remember i wasn't amused when Bioshock ended after 20 hours..:D

I'm sure they will pop out some DLCs, maybe it will be a good buy after they lenghten the missions.

[Maddmatt]

11 hours is ok, nearly double the recent Call of Duty games at least. Maybe there will be some good DLC.
Pity it doesn't have a Free Ride Extreme mode like the first Mafia.

[trickster1982]

11 hours is fine by me, being 28 years old I dont really have the time to put in over 100 hours on a game like I did in my late teens with Final Fantasy 7 & the like, life keeps getting in the way! But im looking forward to losing myself in Mafia 2 for a while, I'll probably spread those 11 hours over a couple of weeks anyway :)

[EricM]

Pity it doesn't have a Free Ride Extreme mode like the first Mafia.

It doesn't ? Damn, I loved it in the first one...

11h isn't too bad if it's quality time.

Edit : it looks like the city is exactly the same as Mafia 1... Wasn't it supposed to be a new one 4 times biggers ?

[sparks50]

Have to share this one:

GuyHx-tfF6w

offtopic:
Im playing through the Mafia 1 campaign with the good old 60s mod now.
Love how these mods changes the atmosphere so much yet still work mostly well in the campaign.

[DenisRUS]

I v heard there will be not any DLC which continue the story of Vito or give some more details to the story..Pll say that it will be all about new fancy cars,new suits and some arcade missions like it was in freeride mode in 1 game.Pretty sad caz it would be fun to see some DLC about Vito's life in prison or how he got bullet at the war.

As for the game itself - 1 game was more interesting. I think devs spent to much time on tweaking graphic and physics and forgot about the game itself IMHO.

OffTopic i just love this playboy's mags in game. Natural girls with nothing fake just sweet)

[TimRiceSE]

Have to share this one:



Im playing through the Mafia 1 campaign with the good old 60s mod now.
Love how these mods changes the atmosphere so much yet still work mostly well in the campaign.

excuse the noobish question - are you playing the mafia1 campaign in mafia2? :O and whats goold old 60s mod? :)

[sparks50]

No I'm playing mafia 1 while waiting for 2 to arrive :)

Mafia 2 has most of its files locked down somehow. I hope some smart souls will figure out a way to modify it.

[topas]

Now that's really annoying...
The game is on the storeshelves already..
bought it without hesitation, trying to install, and the bloody Steam-thing says it cannot be installed as the premiere day for Europe is August 27th...


:j:

[trickster1982]

Im starting to get really irritated by all this online activation & DRM rubbish, its really sucking the life out of PC gaming! For instance the other night I wanted a quick game of Left for dead 2 as I had half an hour free, but when I tried to load the game I got a message saying steam needed to update but "couldnt connect at this time" :rolleyes: and I didnt even get the option to play in offline mode, and the server didnt come back on for several hours! My internet connection was fine so the problem was with steam. I have a feeling Mafia 2 will suffer the same problems, if Steam is down for whatever reason then you cant play the game you have paid cold, hard cash for, and its a joke!

[SiC-Disaster]

You could have quit Steam to restart it in Offline mode.
You wont be able to get online but you should be able to play your games in single player.

[topas]

Bloody 'ell, aparently you could not.. without internet connection the game won't install at all...

"you can't install games when in offline mode. Close and relaunch steam to choose Online-mode"

Cool, I just spent 150PLN (38EUR) on a game that won't even install because of my slow internet connection? Just beautiful.. Instead of using the 6.29GB DVD sitting in my drive it forces me to 'update the game files' with 9kB/s "speed"... it's gonna be a long night it seems...

[Capt. Sand]

hmm... if I buy this, will there be a chance I'll see a Hidden & Dangerous 3? then again, Enemy in Sight never came out, so probably not, and it's too bad. I played the hell out of the first Vietcong and H&D2/SS expansion pack back in the day. good times.

[metalcraze]

I guess these ridiculous cover systems are so popular because they make the game easy, especially for gamepad users.
Actually it's vice versa a bit. Gamepads are very slow and it's impossible to play shooters on consoles with the same speed, precision and reaction as on PC so cover system had to be included to cover up "streamlining" for the gamepad (you sit in one place, enemies sit in one place, you just wait till they will pop up from behind the cover, then you shoot them because if you had to move and enemies had to move like in PC shooters - it would be too hard) - which in turn makes it easy, especially for mouse+keyboard.


I hate this system and wish it would die.
Same. Maybe it works on consoles, but on PC it totally makes the game all too slow and with a very primitive gameplay.


Mafia is already 3rd person so even without the cover system you can cheat a bit, but at least it wouldn't be as ridiculously easy.
Actually another stupid thing that we got in the past few years is the "on-the-shoulder" camera. As bullets in arcade shooters are insta-born and insta-hit in the very center of the screen where crosshair is - the camera to the right of the character lets you kill enemies through boxes and walls without even pressing the "cover' button or exposing yourself, provided enemies are to your right.
A legitimate cheat which works in Mafia2 every time.

[GoOB]

Got the game early this morning and I have been more or less glued to the screen since - It is a very, very, very atmospheric game that really gets you into the story and the goings on of Vito and company.

Gameplay in this title is for me secondary, but even so, I feel it is very solid for a contemporary third person shooter. Nothing out of the ordinary and nothing particularly exciting about it, it's just there and does it's job of carrying on the story.

Definitely looking forward to a sequel, expansion or whatever to expand the story (even though I haven't yet finished the core game).

Hopefully, 2k Czech will also get back on Enemy In Sight (but under a different name, as Atari still owns the IP), Vietcong 3, or, the gods of gaming willing, Hidden and Dangerous 3.

[Red Oct]

i like the game but heres my nitpicks:
they removed some of the features in this new game that were in the old one. for starters you cant shoot from your car (at least i haven't been able to figure out how to) i know that it was kinda of a lousy mechanic in the first game cause it was difficult to shoot and drive at the same time, but they could of kept it in and made it a little better in the second game. police also no longer come after you for running red lights or stop signs. yea it was at time irritating to have police come after you in missions where you had to drive like a lunatic cause you were on a time limit, but still could of left option where you could set police difficulty. speaking of which theres way too many police cars on the streets. its like every corner you turn at there is a cop car right there. motorcycles would have been nice too since this is taking place in the mid 1940's to 1950's. would of like to have the mafia II version of the indian chief and early harly davidson. and side missions would of been nice to make it feel a little less linear.

[SiC-Disaster]

Somehow, after all these years wishing for a new H&D, the idea of it being made in this time and age sickens me.
In all this time, only BIS has stayed true to tactical realism gaming while all others went to the mainstream side.
Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon and even Operation Flashpoint all went down the drain, and i'm 99.9% sure that will happen to an eventual H&D3 too.
It deserves better than that. I'd rather have no sequel at all if it's not going to be made absolutely right. Same for another SWAT game.

[Iroquois Pliskin]

Mafia 2, mafia 2... Atmosphere's there, car simulation is there... burnouts are there. Everything else is bland. Once you finish the story in 10 hours or less, you un-install it, or you wait for DLCs, seeing as they are already in the retail game, you just don't have access to them.

Story involves driving with GPS on (50's), using the same routes every-single-time.

Edit: It's more of a roller coaster than I initially thought. Good fun for 10 hours, I guess. :cc:

[PuFu]

not worth the 50EUs for it..

I didn't like the story (not even close to mafia1), nor the fact that i can't really do shit besides the missions related to the story.

The most annoying thing besides the lack of side missions, and the inventory(who the hell can carry 15+ weapons in his shorts ffs and why is there no meele weapons?), is the fact that there is a lot of dicking around before you get to do something yourself (besides driving around and watching cutscenes).

The "go home" and "go to bed" objectives are also omnipresent and epic in this one

[Leopardi]

Somehow, after all these years wishing for a new H&D, the idea of it being made in this time and age sickens me.
In all this time, only BIS has stayed true to tactical realism gaming while all others went to the mainstream side.
Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon and even Operation Flashpoint all went down the drain, and i'm 99.9% sure that will happen to an eventual H&D3 too.
It deserves better than that. I'd rather have no sequel at all if it's not going to be made absolutely right. Same for another SWAT game.

You forgot red orhcestra.

[Heatseeker]

I knew they "GTA'ed" the game and "simplified" the gameplay but i expected the story and missions to be good enough to make up for it.

So im torturing myself here through a blah story and blah missions thinking:
"What is this shit?"

This game doesnt come close to the original...

[Zipper5]

Apparently they locked out modding too? The mod communities are having to do workarounds to mod for it or something? That's really pathetic...

Why are developers/publishers so concerned about modding their games nowadays?

[dale0404]

I was going to buy this game, having second thoughts now.

[Infam0us]

Great for a one time play through, really good! But limited replayability.

[Mosh]

I was going to buy this game, having second thoughts now.

From what little I've seen and read, I'll pass too...

[Laqueesha]

I'll just wait a few years for the price to drop. ;)

[Heatseeker]

Iy0nVslhfkk

People found lots of scrapped content in the game files, the game would have been mind blowing, unfortunetly they had to wrap it up in a hurry :( .

[Deadfast]

You don't even have to dig through game files to find missing content.

I've translated this video from a presentation held one year ago. Now I'm told this mission is not even there at all?
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[Laqueesha]

What a shame. I'm still waiting for a free-roaming sandbox game that takes place during the 1970s. ;)

[HyperU2]

What a shame. I'm still waiting for a free-roaming sandbox game that takes place during the 1970s. ;)

My 70's was a free roaming sandbox game, it was pretty sweet.

[Jeza]

I enjoyed it alot, granted it didnt quiete live up to the first but yer i did have some enjoyable moments with it, the ending was pritty good, carrying on from the second.

[ziiip]

The game is good, just not worth the price.

[Ben_S]

I've been playing the demo of it on steam, quite fun. Im probably going to buy it once its cheaper. And/or when I get a upgraded comp.

[Beagle]

Im going to buy the game after the first patch, as I always do with games nowadays. The 1.0 releases are never fun to play. the first MAFIA was the best game I can remeber having ever played...but lacked replayability...once played there is no way to have the fun back...as with all storytelling games. It was more like a truely interactive Movie with you as the main character. A pitty that there was not enought place on the backyard at salieris bar for my car collection...I even kept the two hearses you found in the game for "special deliveries".

[Iroquois Pliskin]

Iy0nVslhfkk

People found lots of scrapped content in the game files, the game would have been mind blowing, unfortunetly they had to wrap it up in a hurry :( .

Don't attribute it to stupidity. It's a sound business model when executed properly.

You'll get the rest of the game via DLCs.

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What a shame. I'm still waiting for a free-roaming sandbox game that takes place during the 1970s. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarface:_The_World_Is_Yours

80's, though. :yay:

[Heatseeker]

Im going to buy the game after the first patch, as I always do with games nowadays. The 1.0 releases are never fun to play. the first MAFIA was the best game I can remeber having ever played...but lacked replayability...once played there is no way to have the fun back...as with all storytelling games. It was more like a truely interactive Movie with you as the main character. A pitty that there was not enought place on the backyard at salieris bar for my car collection...I even kept the two hearses you found in the game for "special deliveries".

Well i pre ordered the game because its Mafia and the demo seemed ok.. and im regreting it now. The first Mafia was linear but it was really good, this one is still linear but its a fucking joke, the story is mediocre at best, the missions are far from memorable and it all feels slapped together in a hurry.

[Beagle]

Well i pre ordered the game because its Mafia and the demo seemed ok.. and im regreting it now. The first Mafia was linear but it was really good, this one is still linear but its a fucking joke, the story is mediocre at best, the missions are far from memorable and it all feels slapped together in a hurry.Well, doesn't we often say the same about ArmA or OA ? I think this is a dilemma with all game designer...ideas are running out an the "audience" is becoming more and more pretentious. But It's not nice to read your statement. I had hopes of a experience like the original Mafia.

[Heatseeker]

Well, doesn't we often say the same about ArmA or OA ? I think this is a dilemma with all game designer...ideas are running out an the "audience" is becoming more and more pretentious. But It's not nice to read your statement. I had hopes of a experience like the original Mafia.

Arma and OA are editable war games... Mafia's value lied solely in the story, narrative, missions and how perfectly everything was put together, like a playable movie.

Mafia 2 feels like bits are missing here and there, the story flow and progression is bad and the characters dont develop, the missions are ordinary too, where the first ones were memorable.

2k murdered this game after 2008 (when Illusion became 2k czech).
I know Illusion was set to make another classic..

[Infam0us]

Mafia 2 DLC content available already on Steam to purchase today :don 15:

[Cotala Studios]

when Illusion became 2k czech

:eek: I thought everything czech was amazing!!! My world has been turned upside down

http://teachingtomorrow.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/upsidedown-world.jpg

[Deadfast]

:eek: I thought everything czech was amazing!!! My world has been turned upside down

Not if you have a bunch of 2k managers making the decisions for you.

[Pauld]

http://www.rockstargames.com/lanoire/splash.html


Need i say more

[Dwarden]

http://www.rockstargames.com/lanoire/splash.html


Need i say more

it looks very promising ...
the trailer is catching the feel of living city quite nice

[PuFu]

seems it is aimed for consoles though, i am not sure it will ever hit PCs
from Ables post on KH forums (http://www.kellys-heroes.eu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=3986):


L.A. Noire is an interactive detective story set in the classic noir period of the late 1940’s.

L.A. Noire blends action, detection and complex storytelling and draws players into an open-ended challenge to solve a series of gruesome murders. Set in a perfectly recreated Los Angeles before freeways, with a post-war backdrop of corruption, drugs and jazz, L.A. Noire will truly blend cinema and gaming.

No release date however this was on TB's front page ...


We’re looking to expand our Animation Team to cope with the final production phase of L.A. Noire.

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Platform: Next Generation Consoles

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Team Bondi is an independent developer producing titles for next-generation consoles.

Team Bondi was founded by Brendan McNamara, the former Director of Development for Sony Computer Entertainment’s Team Soho Studio in London and the writer and director of The Getaway which has gone on to sell over 4 million units on the PlayStation®2 console.

[Zipper5]

That trailer was also first posted in 2006.