Public Ban List

[Kronzky]

Branching off the "So many idiots..." (http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard311/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=64;t=58316) thread, here's where we can discuss the specifics of a shared ban list.

This is NOT the place to discuss whether there should be a list like that or not. For those arguments, please use the original discussion in the General forum.
This discussion is for those of us who feel a shared list is a good and workable method of keeping destructive players out.

I personally feel that the list started by Armed Assault France (http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma/us/) is already pretty close to what we need:

* Only certified admins can submit their ban lists
* Banned IDs are cleared after one month on the list
* The ban list can be downloaded by anybody interested

I've sent Sébastien a revised translation for the English page already, and perhaps somebody more skilled in design could come up with a nice page layout. But I would think that if every serious admin would contribute to this list we would already be a big step closer to solving the problem of disruptive players.

[Rambo-16AAB]

Well we have 5 admins for our 16AAB servers, all but one are on V1.04. we try to admin it as much as possible and we have been runing servers on other games for 5 years with our current server rules.

[sbsmac]

I think the idea is a good one and I'm pretty sure my team would like to be part of this. Personally I'd like to see it extended for other forms of anti-social behaviour such as abusive chat or spamming.

I'm a little worried about the potential for abuse - both deliberate and accidental (it's easy to write down ids incorrectly). It would be sensible to record _who_ the ban was requested by and the reason for it to allow some right of appeal.

[MattXR]

I will also be able to help greatly.. What i suggest in future which will be a great way to stop incorrect IDs being put up is Take a Screenshot of the player who is abusing the system of arma and then sent that along with the ID of the player also screenshoted to one of us admins.. who can then add them to the list.

Edit: i also updated my site with some hardcore tkers i cought today while playing some big coops on the {GG} sever.

[Rambo-16AAB]

Screen shot will show the player, but not the player & his ID on screen ?

[Sébastien G.]

in the last topic they said : hey anti-TK script exist !!!...
i respond : hey why i see again TK who kill me in the camp base?

and is the script can differentiate a choper pilot who crash and kill 9 member of team ? ( and who are not a TK )
the server post nine team.. member x killed ( friendly fire)
is the script consider he like TK http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif

if you don't see any TK problem, it's that you don't play lol

TK are numberous !!!! and script + ban list shared= the solution http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
it is not exclusive to have both

[Sébastien G.]

i have some idea to enhance the site... like : not really removed after a month, but stored in hidden part, and if the id are again banned... the id will be removed of the list after 2 month, etc...
like suggest other topic (which have be closed http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif )
and perhaps a mailing list who send mail when database are updated...
if you have other idea... say it http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif


for the restricted access for view ban list.. i don't know... every body can make a server... and everybody is concerned by TK...

[MattXR]

Screen shot will show the player, but not the player & his ID on screen ?
Its easy to see players and there Ids.. will not post how though..

As for chopper crashes people know that it was an accident..

[Rambo-16AAB]

Having a list of servers who submit ID's to the list would be good.

[Sébastien G.]

Quote[/b] ]As for chopper crashes people know that it was an accident..
people yes, but script... i dont know...
anti-tk script is : if X friendly fire : kicked...

that's why i do this project.

and : it's not armed assault france... ( armedassault.fr )
but a other site independantly made in france

[Adv]

I am also concerned. The idea is good my only concern is every game I've played in the past with such a system has been abused.

It turned into a "name the guy who killed you alot the day before" or more often a "name your ex squaddies you are mad at for whatever reason" list instead of a real TK'r list and lost all credibility.

I think there should be a list no doubt I'd just hope that its taken seriously and does not go the way of so many others. Best way to do that is to insure only true TK'rs make the list.
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[pchaxor]

Global Ban List
"GBL" protected servers will bring FEAR into the hearts of intentional TK'rs across the globe. This FEAR will minimize TKr's all in itself as long as it is communicated, known and accepted by the community.

The main concern of the community will be the lists' integrity.
Solve this issue and you may just have something.

Proposed Rules:
1. The Banned ID must be submitted by at least 3 registered admins. (registration will require the admin's ID)
2. The ban is to be PERM. Intentional TKr's ® BANNED 4 LIFE.
3. Any admin found to be submitting false ID's will be added to the ban list and not allowed to submit ID's.
4. If the Player ID is under question as being from a KeyGen, then this player name, IP and ID is submitted to BIS for a piracy investigation.

Now for the election.
Who will be the GBL keeper?

[MattXR]

ALSO IMPORTANT NOT TO ALLOW FALSE TKer IDs i prepose on the admins point of view on the server is to try and solve the problem before banning.. usually the case is this:


Quote[/b] ]
Player 1 Tk's = Friendly Warning

Player 1 Tk's = Full Warning of What Will Happen

Player 1 Tk's = Final Warning Pluss Kick from server

This usually sorts the problem but if that player returns..

Quote[/b] ]
PLayer 1 Tk's = Waring About being placed on a Global Ban List

PLayer 1 Tk's = Perminitly Place onto Ban List


Now we need people we trust to do that, not just wilily nilly becuase some tked and crashed a chopper or accidentally tked a few times to get banned all over.

[Sébastien G.]

for 1% of abuse, a system of joker can be making...

you have got one joker per armaid... if you have been banned, you can email to webmaster once time and he remove your ID... but he save too you use your joker... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

i think if they are abuse, it's not for the same guy...

i will make a CSS system for the communauty... i'm not a webdesigner... you will be able to put your css in the site by writting url like : http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma....ss=http (http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma/?css=http://www.commentcamarche.net/ccm.css)

i will write too markup for using css...
and the community could propose their css like http://www.csszengarden.com/

[sirex]

... just make sure the list is backed up very often, as you can fully expect the site its hosted on to get hacked to hell and back.

[monkeyb]

Wow, I didn't realise my previous thread would mobilise an army against TK'ers.
Nice work chaps. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[DieAngel]

Okay here is a system that is little com)plex but that work pretty well on another game.

We have a system called ban-link, any server admin can register a "site" on the ban-link system, and then his server can connect to get an up to date ban list.

Basically any server admin can add a new ban for their "site", they can choose to add them globally or locally (like locally if you have a problem with a specific player, and globally for a cheater)

Then, the other server admin can decide to add his "site" to the list of sites that they trust, or not. All the servers of a given site are given a ban list that contain all the global bans filed by all the other sites they "trust" .

This way you give to the system a fast reaction time and you reduce the likelyness of having a corrupt admin as if they become known for posting unjustified bans, the other "site" admins will stop to trust him.


It is a lil complicated but it works better than a centrally administrated system, where if the main admins get corrupted, all the list is likely to suffer from it.

[Rambo-16AAB]

Rito' , we need to trial a system and a set of guidelines next, and work from the issues we discover with the systems & guidelines.
We need a list of BETA servers/admins initially and how about the armaGBL official website which could be advertised as a community site of a sort.

My Ideas and some compiled from earlier posts in both threads:-

I agree, 3 TK's is an acceptable limit, as accidents do happen. As Admins have to be in the server, its likely they will be able to tell a chopper crash from a twit blowing up a squad because hes bored, or a blatent TK ( Walking up to someone and shooting them in the face because of whatever reason ).

3 TK's With warnings & then a punt is a good way to do it as previously mentioned, with the player returning & then continuing TK'ing leading to his final waring and submittion to the GBL.

The list should be downloadable by Any host, but submittion to be restricted to participating servers/admins as previously mentioned.

The hosts websites should carry some sort of indication that they are a GBL host ( as an indication of quality assurance to the public ) and a full list of the Submitting servers listed on the GBL website?

Warnings to be placed on the MOTD in game about behaviour and consequences of TK'ing of patricipating servers.

Application to become a Submitting server should involve " Secret Shopper" visits for a couple of weeks to the servers that are applying to judge the mental state of the admins if you like. then they can be accepted/rejected acciordingly.

[DieAngel]

Rambo, any thoughts on my system?

[Rambo-16AAB]

Sorry, missed it, you must have posted yours as I was typing.
I'll try and get a read of it during my Lunch break.

[Sébastien G.]

css and markup made...

if you are a good css writer, you can read the source and use markup

after you can propose your css url like :
http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma....ss=http (http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma/index.php?lang=us&css=http://www.commentcamarche.net/ccm.css)

or
noob stopper style (http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma/index.php?lang=us&css=http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma/style.css)

or try to use css of zen garden :
http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma....ss=http (http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma/index.php?lang=us&css=http://www.csszengarden.com/097/097.css)
http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma....ss=http (http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma/index.php?lang=us&css=http://www.csszengarden.com/105/105.css)

it's just for your session, write here your css http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

and so, you can link in your web site the ban.txt shared :

like this (http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma/ban.txt)

this file is automatically updated.

[MattXR]

yikes.. i last seen the list it was at 13.. now its at "banned IDs: 31"

[Rambo-16AAB]

Die angel, if i read your post correctly, you want the gameservers to connect to the central banlist ? and not have a local one.?
If thats the case it cant currently work as there is no way of remote accessing any features in Arma for admin purposes ( how could BIS forget such a thing on a modern multiplayer game ! ) and you cant edit your local banlist while the serves running.

[sirex]

if you have control of the serving pc you could script to shut it down at a time every 2-3 days and wget the new file to the server, then start the server up again.

or, BIS add the ability to close the file handle on the ban list when its not in use and store it in memory (a silly small amount needed) - then you could edit it on the fly.

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

N/A

[Killerwatt]

At first I was a bit sceptical about a ban list but after witnessing [TKC] Wesker's exploits on the GOL-Clan server last night where he used some sort of cheat to destroy an entire base and repeatedly team killed the many players who respawned, I am now all in favour.
Cheers,
Stewart.

[Rambo-16AAB]

TKC are a dedicated Cheater & Teamkilling squad set up to promote such activities.

[Celery]

I'm among the first ones to support legal punishment for intentional team killing, but for this system I just hope that personal bans on servers stay out of the public list. That includes everything from word fights, grudges, unmixed chemistry, fun bans to cheat suspicions (I'm sure that guy cheats, he MUST cheat).

[Rambo-16AAB]

For our Donations to the list, were inputting TK bans directly to the list, and not mixing them with our local bans. We download the TK list and append it to our local list. Common sense thing.

[DieAngel]

hrm if i where to code the system i wrote a few post before, would someone write the shell script to regulary update the ban list from the server?

I know enough my way in php mysql to write the shared ban list system but i don't know arma enough for the server part.

[Rambo-16AAB]

It cant be done without shutting the server down to update the list, then restarting it.

[Rambo-16AAB]

So, is anyone going to start a dedicated Banlist website to act as a front end for the this ? or will I sart one myself ??

[sirex]

whats wrong with http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma/ ?

[Rambo-16AAB]

it doesnt exactly tell you much about the project, who's envolved or how things work. As an input/extraction interface its fine.
Were not going to get people to trust it unless they can easily find out who, what and why.

[sirex]

trust should be earned by the test of time, not by a fancy UI (microsoft avoided this lesson).

tbh i think with all the file hacking, editing, addons, clunky server commands, and dodgy remote admin, OFP and ArmA players should be used to the "its functional, if lacking in eye candy" world.

[Rambo-16AAB]

dodgy remote admin ??! its got NO remote admin to get as far as being Dodgy. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

[Deady]

Can anyone put together a list of pirate version IDs?

I know 18118919 is one, are there anymore?

[Rambo-16AAB]

Website now underconstruction. Watch this space.

[DieAngel]

need a hand?

[pchaxor]

With a CDkeygen out there in the wild, there will be THOUSANDS of pirated keys. I would stick to just the TKr's and troublemakers.

[Rambo-16AAB]

Yep, our servers been pretty good at removing pirate copies on its own.
Website is online, but unfinished. The ban list database is functional within it, layout is done, started work on forum areas. Not fit for consumption yet, but It may be after a couple more hours tonight and then we will release the URL to you.

[sirex]

ok good work, but remember to back it up ! -- with a forum your web server will get hacked to **** twice as much as before.

[Rambo-16AAB]

Well, its up, and appears to be functioning.
If you are running a server that uses the banlist, or submit to the banlist, you can add youe servers details through your user menu when you register. You can also submit squad & fan site links.
You dont need to register to download the current banlist.

http://www.armagbl.net

[DieAngel]

so , what would the server admins prefers?

-1: A shared ban list that everybody can download but only trusted persons can add/remove bans?

-2 A set of private banlist where any server admin is free to create his own list (for one or more servers) add/remove bans from it and can choose to "trust" or not one or more lists, (trusting a list would add it to your own when a server request a ban list update)

[Rambo-16AAB]

If you dont have trusted people adding ID's to the list you run the risk of people inputing anything, or worse, numbers at random.
If you want to increase the databse functionality you need to talk to Sebastien. Website stuff I can do.

[DieAngel]

i am asking cause i don't want to go in the trouble of developping something that won't interest anybody.

Well the concept is that if someone is entering bogus data you can choose as server admin not to trust his list, all bans should have a valid explanation and can be disputed.

[Rambo-16AAB]

I can put a section up in the forum for those who feel they have been banned wrongly to make appeals etc.

[walker]

Hi all

For the record I think public ban lists are impossible.

I even think server bans are dodgy for the same reasons others have already listed.

Legal Risk of ban lists
There is one major problem any public ban list suffers from. That is the laws of libel. They exist in most countries in the world. For a ban list to be legal and not lead to severe financial penalties for those running it, they would have to be 100% accurate without any possibility of being wrong, and we all know that is impossible.

It would be a simple matter for an unscrupulous person to arrange for a partner in the con to be placed on the ban list. The person would have arranged a pre-existing irrefutable alibi.

They then sue everyone, all server admins, organisations such as leagues, programmers who write the software for the ban list all those involved in running and creating such a ban list.

Real damage is easily provable; denied access, reputation, international disemination etc. The sheer legal expenses of cost of the court case then both their own in defense and the plaintiffs, which will be designed to be so excessive that it would close down the servers of those involved.

And since most servers are not run by public limited liability companies but by individuals and groups of individuals each of those people is individually liable. Fancy loosing your house anyone? Or having a monthly attachment to earnings for years to come?

Of course ther will be an out they will let you settle out of court, but believe me it will not be cheap.

It is almost certain that the small print in your web site and server providers contract specificly prevents you from running or operating a ban list. Many countries also have laws preventing such lists from being held on computer at all or as in the UK require proper legal registration of any such list, with procedures and policies to remove false data and registered person responsible and legaly liable for them.

Volunteers any one?

It is a quagmire people do not get into it.

The existing TK scripts mete out timely punishments based on the event at the time and those punishments can be made to fit the crime.

Kind Regards walker

[Kode]

@<hidden>: As owner of a server, you can deny access to players. Otherwise their wouldn&#39;t be passwords on servers http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif.
Now if it would be BIS that organized all this and block you on all servers that would be different. A ban list as this one, won&#39;t be on each server, and isn&#39;t controlled by a company, so legally they cannot do anything.

[Rambo-16AAB]

Expecting every map maker to include code to stop/punnish teamkilling is quite frankly impossible and unworkable and something that shouldnt be expected of map makers.

If its illeagle to run banlist, one word, punkbuster.

[sirex]

i think its a great idea. - i&#39;ve been keeping an eye on how many true idiots ive found on servers, and in the last few days theres only 1 that i&#39;d add to the list. I kept his arma id to one side.

[MattXR]

Yeah ive seen the number of noobs drop drastically. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif which is a good thing.

[Rambo-16AAB]

Good, but ive yet to see ether of your names on the website http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

Ive got a warning on our serve status page & our servers MOTD about the Global banlist now, so if the idiots still decide to be idiots and end up banned, then they only have themselfs to blame.

I have sent news items about the banlist to a couple of community sites so far. Any help in publicising the site & what its about would be greatly appreciated.

[walker]

Hi all

To Rambo-16AAB

Punkbuster maintains lists of cheat programs and hardware as well as pirated IDs I can find nowhere on their site where they maintain a master ban list of player IDs. I wonder why?

If I am incorrect in this please point me to evenbalance&#39;s list of cheaters, here is their web site:
http://www.evenbalance.com/

In reply to Kode

I agree a server owner may ban anyone they wish but I would be careful not to say the reason for the ban unless I had irrefutable evidence and even then better to just maintain the ban and a stony silence with only the reply of "The management reserve the right to ban who it wishes." of course this then comes back to ethical questions of what to do for people banned by accedent or mistake.

How can you argue against an undeserved ban if the reason for your trangression is not listed?

What is to stop an unscrupulous person adding all the people in this forum they do not like to such a public ban list? Sudenly you have a massive buraucracy to maintian who should and should not be on the ban list requiring hours of work and always over your head the posibility that you as the person maintaining the list are the one legaly liable for its accuracy even if you are not sued it is a boring job and you are not playing ArmA every minute of it.

Simple in mission scripts such as Kronzky&#39;s that wound matches, or a 10 minutes in the virtual cells necesitating a reboot to get back in without serving your virtual sentence (far more effective than a kick and you let the person have a chance to redeem them selves), or negation that removes the TK effect and applies punnishment.

All these ruin the warped fun of TKing without throwing the baby out in the bath water. They get one TK and they are locked for ten minutes seems fine to me. Personaly I think kicking and banning is waste of time.

Remember the purpose here is to prevent TKers. It is not rocket science.

Kind Regards walker

[Rambo-16AAB]

http://www.punksbusted.com/cgi-bin/membership/publicbans.cgi

plenty of public ban lists.

[sirex]

i think as far as law goes, you can ban whoever you want from your server, without reason. - as it should be.

otherwise, banning wildcards would be illegal.

[Rambo-16AAB]

Correct.
If i chioose to exclude you because I just didnt like you, from playing on my server that I rented, paid for and have controll off, then I can. What I cant do on a server is place a derogitory messages about a person like " Jimbob is sleeping with his mother and his uncle is also his brother "

A ban list is simply that. A list of unrelated ID numbers that dont show personal details. This simple fact is, it there, its available, you use it or you dont. Its your own CHOICE.

** NOTE The Character " Jimbob" is Fictional and any resembelence to any person living or dead is puerly coincidental**

[zinc]

why not just have a &#39;friendly fire off&#39; option available on the server or &#39;three strikes and your out for ## hours&#39; for real accidents. That would at least make the idiots go forth and multiply somewhere else.

Saves all the hassle with keeping lists updated.

[Rambo-16AAB]

If BIS was to impliment a Max FF/punt option in the server code, it would save a great deal of grief.
Untill then, we have to make do.

As for turning FF off completely, well, its fine for kiddy servers.

[Kronzky]

I can&#39;t even remotely imagine why a banlist could be considered "illegal".

If it were ran and enforced by BI, then perhaps.
But for private servers and games - NO WAY...
It is YOUR SERVER. It is YOUR GAME. And you can do with that whatever you want.

Nobody can tell you who to let into your game.
You can block whoever you feel like blocking, justified or not. You don&#39;t even need a reason for it.
After all, you&#39;re not a public institution. It&#39;s your personal, private game, and any decision about who to let in is categorically yours...

OTOH, as far as the ban list is concerned, you might have to be careful as to how you label it.
If the list were headed by something like "These are the biggest jerks in the world. They suck so much that anybody who is running a game should ban them immediate.", you might have a problem. Someone might sue you for libel (VERY HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but about as possible as a lottery win).
But that&#39;s not what the list says. The list says "These are the people that have been banned on one or more servers. If you feel like banning them too, feel free to do so."
A simple statement of fact. Nobody is being insulted, nobody is stating anything about any person in particular, so the whole libel issue is not really relevant.

And, just for theoretical purposes, let&#39;s assume that some aspect of the list might be illegal somewhere.
Who is actually going to sue here? The banned players? They will most likely have used a pirated copy anyway (after all, who would risk getting his purchased ID banned?). And in which court? Most games are international anyway, so which court/law would be applicable here? Do you really think some loser team-killer would hire a lawyer to start an international lawsuit, just because people didn&#39;t let him crash their games???
NOT VERY LIKELY...

[walker]

Hi all

In reply to Rambo-16AAB

That is punksbusted NOT evenbalance the people who make punkbuster.

There is a big difference same as your clan site is an Arma clan site but you are not BIS.

Here is the makers of punkbusters site

http://www.evenbalance.com/

That is the site where you have to show a link to a master ban list on.

I wonder why evenbalance the makers of punkbuster do not have it on their own site in fact I cannot even find mention of such on their website.

Rambo-16AAB please point to a page on evenbalance&#39;s web site that even mentions it.

Why do you think that is the case?

As I said master ban lists are not needed and are waste of time and effort as well as being a very dangerous legal problem. A simple anti TK system such as Kronzky&#39;s is fine.

In reply to Kronzky

I will not argue with you about a database held for a particular server by its owner. I see no issue with it. It is their server and as I stated "The management reserve the right to ban who it wishes." is sufficient to cover all that .

The problem is the very specific one of public ban lists.

I respect all your work and you may have noticed I pointed to your scripts from the start but with all due respect I point you to the UK Data Protection Act, similar laws are enacted through out Europe as part of the 1981 European Convention for the Protection of Individuals with regard to Automatic Processing of Personal Data and to similar laws in the USA and in fact most countries in the world. Do search in Google. The use of such lists is highly regulated by Criminal Law and that is before we delve into civil law Libel.


Quote[/b] ]The Data Protection Act (DPA) is a British Act of Parliament that provides a legal basis and allowing for the privacy and protection of data of individuals in the UK. The act places restrictions on organisations which collect or hold data which can identify a living person. The Act does not apply to domestic use[1], for example keeping a personal address book.

Data collected by any person or organisation may only be used for the specific purposes for which they were collected. Personal data may only be kept for an appropriate length of time and must not be disclosed to other parties without the consent of the data owner. Schools, for example, may decide to keep information on former pupils for no longer than ten years.

The act is overseen by an independent government authority, the Office of the Information Commissioner. Persons and organisations which store personal data must register with the Information Commissioner.

The UK Data Protection Act is a large Act, and has a reputation for complexity.[2] Whilst the basic principles are honoured for protecting privacy, interpreting the act is not always simple... Follow the link for more information and links to the actual act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_protection_act

More on this link
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1998/80029-ah.htm#sch16ptI

I have a simple question for you if the Data is to be held, maintained or edited by any person in the UK.

Who is the person who will be registered with the Data Protection Registrar as the legally liable data controler?

Or equivalent in what ever are the home countries of the people who maintain a copy of the database are as they are the people who are legally liable for the security and and integrity of the data.

Also what are you going to do about passing personal data too and from the EEC as that is extremely tightly controlled.

I would advise anyone considering being involved in public ban lists to seek legal advice before stepping into this.

I think the addition of varied scaled punishments and forgive functions to the existing anti TK scripts are a far more beneficial thing for the community than the dead end of public ban lists.

As I have said Kronzky I think your work is very good and your anti TK program as with the many others such as the ECL ones by Terox are more than adequate for dealing with perhaps a few tens of idiot TK queens.

With the most kind respectful regards walker

[Rambo-16AAB]

well, the Data protection act does not apply.
The List of ID number can not be used to identify any person playing the game. The only way this would be possible is if BIS published a list of ID numbers and the names that they are registered to.
As it contains No personal information, eg, names dates of birth, addresses etc it is completely exempt.
Walker, if you dont want to use the list, then dont. If other want to,, then its there own choice, you dont need to keep badgerring this post, myself or anyone else about it. As for ownership of the Data, its not held in the UK, or managed by me for that matter.

[sirex]

i dont mean to flog a dead horse walker, but its not a legal problem on any level, at all. period.

edit: and to be honest, it saddens me that we live in a world were legal matters in a situation like this are even discussed.

[walker]

Hi All

To Rambo-16AAB and sirex

The data in your proposed database includes a DVD code that is personal to the end user license holder of the game and thus not anonimised as required if it is research data and thus excludable under the Data Protection Act. If it was anonimisable it would be no use in banning.

In the UK the first 15 minutes of time with a solicitor is free. Do your selves a great favour and put my own fears at rest and avail yourself of the facility.

Once again with respectful and kind regards walker

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

N/A

[sirex]

law is applicable by those local to the server. i.e usa server is under usa law.

it&#39;s also notoriously difficult to bring international lawsuits.

however, this entire section of the topic is a non issue, as previously stated.

[Infam0us]

Slighty off topic but if anyone ever encounters someone called "UBer NoobbZlorR" Kick him, or indeed from your ArmA server ... here is all the evidence you will need ....

Link - Teamspeak (http://media.putfile.com/lol-53-53-62)

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif Makes me chuckle ...

[jerryhopper]

while all of you were busy talking about legal yes or no,
i have build a remote server control tool, that harvests PID&#39;s and the names.
it has the capability to post that to a central server.

That is IF you want to participate&#33; (thats entirely up to the server owner)

Now, creating a banlist aint the hard job, MAINTAINING IS&#33;
i mean, we dont want a second &#39;BFROE&#39; story featuring people like indianscout http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

note : i might have a public version of that tool available this weekend&#33;

[MattXR]

WTF is going on.. Jesus &*%&#163;%^

How complicated can this get

A Noob On Server Gets banned, his ID will go onto that servers Ban list..

END OF STORY..

[WE SHALL END THIS NOW, IF A SERVER WANTS TO BAN PLAYERS THEN ITS UP TO THE SERVER ADMIN TO GET THE ID. AND IF THE SERVER ADMIN WANTS TO USE ANOTHER CLANS BAN LIST THEN THAT SERVER ADMIN CAN CONTACT THAT SERVER AND ASK FOR THE BAN LIST, WHO NEEDS GLOBAL BAN LISTS AND SHIT ANYMORE.. ITS UP TO THE SERVER ADMIN WHO HE WANTS BANNED ON HIS SERVER.. GOT THAT.. ]

There is a flaw with a global ban list too, say your in a big clan and you go onto a server and accidentally get banned and added onto a global ban list and it wasn&#39;t your fault, you will get banned from most servers and thats bullshit because that will ruin your game for ever.. that happened to me once on call of duty.. and guess what, i never got to play that game online ever again..

so why don&#39;t we just let the server admins ban who they want and keep it that way. IF the server admin wants noobs in his server then so be it, but if not they can pickout and ban the noobs he wants or just ask someone for there banlist.

[MattXR]

Slighty off topic but if anyone ever encounters someone called "UBer NoobbZlorR" Kick him, or indeed from your ArmA server ... here is all the evidence you will need ....

Link - Teamspeak (http://media.putfile.com/lol-53-53-62)

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif Makes me chuckle ...
rofl, thats funny sh*t

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

N/A

[Spokesperson]

Yarr, so only clan players count. Their whole game is ruined if they get banned. But why nobody else ?

Many high-ranking players are multifaceted. When wearing tags they are honest and polished, but as soon as they change their name and load up a few tools in the background they stab teammates in their backs and cheat as hell. What guarantees are there that they won&#39;t abuse the system?

Has any such system been fair or acceptable for users? To me it looks like you want to introduce some kind of CIA or Gestapo lists. Nothing good comes out of that. There&#39;s a never ending ocean of TKers and Cheaters, you can&#39;t ban them all.

Ever thought about the fact that people can steal other people&#39;s IDs?

[MattXR]

Yarr, so only clan players count. Their whole game is ruined if they get banned. But why nobody else ?

Many high-ranking players are multifaceted. When wearing tags they are honest and polished, but as soon as they change their name and load up a few tools in the background they stab teammates in their backs and cheat as hell. What guarantees are there that they won&#39;t abuse the system?

Has any such system been fair or acceptable for users? To me it looks like you want to introduce some kind of CIA or Gestapo lists. Nothing good comes out of that. There&#39;s a never ending ocean of TKers and Cheaters, you can&#39;t ban them all.

Ever thought about the fact that people can steal other people&#39;s IDs?
Why go though all the hassels of having to sign up to a forum and complaining that you got wrongly banned..

And wtf you talking about.. It goes for anyone.. if those high ranking officers in a clan do that then its up to that servers admin to ban them, if they then got globally banned what would the point be.. We dont want BIS to loose customers becuase some shite system.

If a player wants to get himself banned on a server it should be that server only, not all the servers.. I just dont see the point of having a global ban system in ArmA its a simulator for christs sake not some BF2 style game. Players should be mature enought to know the differnce between right and wrong. And if they keep going from one server to another and keep getting banned then thats there problem.. Its a differnt story if they do something wrong then get banned on all servers..

Plus another thing wrong with this system is if you ban a server full of people because your a NOOB Admin you will have then banned a server full of innocent people..

And theres many other factors i cant beassed to get into because its pointless when it should be up to the server admin who he bans not someone else who adds to a list.. blah blah ...

[Cakes_x]

I think its a terrible idea to have a &#39;Global&#39; ban list.

Its up to the server Admins to ban whoever they want from their own server. This system is far too open to abuse by dodgy Admins - and of course &#39;human error&#39;..

Please can this idea.. Password servers if you must (Like 6th sense for example) and keep your own ban list.

#C

[jerryhopper]

I think its a terrible idea to have a &#39;Global&#39; ban list.

Its up to the server Admins to ban whoever they want from their own server. This system is far too open to abuse by dodgy Admins - and of course &#39;human error&#39;..

Please can this idea.. Password servers if you must (Like 6th sense for example) and keep your own ban list.

#C
its up to the server admin to participate in such an effort. end of story.

back to the point.  i got xml output that posts to a url given in the config file.
the xmlscanning occurs on restart ( due to Arma accessing the netlog file. )  
AFter scanning, it empties the net.log file, and restarts server.

im building in a periodically restart option, which could restart the server at certain given times. like each day at 04:00 am or such.

so, who&#39;s man enough to be &#39;head&#39; of banlist, and starts setting up protocols of participating? * ive seen nice ideas already *
then, the banlist. who hosts it and where? i only need the pids for the player-tracker, but the data can be used for more things.
the option is in the servertool im building,  you can supply post-url for the logs, which will post the data to that place.
Tournaments, clans, and serverfarms could have use of such an option.

lil update, the servercontrol now cleans the net.log, and spits out a nicely formed xml with netlog actions ( admin loggedin, player connected/disconnected )

no release yet....  be patient.
but i can show you the configuration file....


Quote[/b] ]
[server]
ip:127.0.0.1
port:2302
location:E:&#92;&#92;Program Files&#92;&#92;Bohemia Interactive&#92;&#92;ArmA&#92;&#92;
exename:armA_server.exe
[settings]
config:server.cfg
mod:
netlog:1
world:
noland:
[crashreporting]
crashdir:C:&#92;&#92;Documents and Settings&#92;&#92;username&#92;&#92;Local Settings&#92;&#92;Application Data&#92;&#92;ArmA
mailto:support@<hidden>
[custom]
idscan:1
posturl:www.yourserver.com/armacontrol.php
banlisturl:www.yourserver.com/banlist.???


quick overhaul : you can harvest PIDS an player history for statistical purposes, use a global banlist over multiple servers, and optional auto crash reporting to spam BIS http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif all without ANY user intervntion.

best of all, ALL options are OPTIONAL&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif

Peoples who are interested, know where to find me....

stay cool, and dont get  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/band.gif

[jerryhopper]

update&#33;

im have a thread about my tool at www.armedassault.eu
and i have released a nightly build which you can find here:
http://www.armedassault.eu/forum....t_14047 (http://www.armedassault.eu/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=14&thread_id=1087&pid=14047#post_14047)

note that the tool is NOT PRIMARILY for global banlist usage
its just a low profile server administration tool (*in the making)
with the option of using a global/private banlist, when set in the configuration file.

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

N/A

[Cakes_x]

You can obviously vouch for the trustworthiness and professionalism of Admins on YOUR server, but what about other less reputable Admins that also contribute to the global ban list.

You simply have no idea whether you can trust the Global list and you could be banning players for no reason - other than they maybe accidentally shot an Admin that was in a bad mood and kicked the player before they had a chance to apologize.

My last two cents..
I admin a small server too, but I if I was to want extra ban lists, I would only be asking 1 or 2 Admins from clans/servers that I could trust.

I will not be using a Global ban list. All I ask is that you are extremely careful in implementing it - if it&#39;s here to stay. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif

#C

[Spokesperson]

Just look at OFP, how well did it go there? If someone got banned he just took the ID of the admin or some friend of his and got "himself" banned on some other server.

[jerryhopper]

Just look at OFP, how well did it go there? If someone got banned he just took the ID of the admin or some friend of his and got "himself" banned on some other server.
explain please?

to my knowledge the id is based on the cd-key.
how the heck could he use my id?

[MattXR]

Just look at OFP, how well did it go there? If someone got banned he just took the ID of the admin or some friend of his and got "himself" banned on some other server.
I think theres more to this guy than than what meets the eye..

There was one way, the *** guys had a program which could change your id in ofp.. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/mad_o.gif

i hope this cant be done with ArmA.

[Rambo-16AAB]

I have added an Appeals section to the website incase anyone feals they have been wrongly banned.
Also fixed the GBL userguide part of the website, you can now actually read it &#33;.

[sirex]

is there any ability to log the name in question with each id ? - i know its not solid info, but it would be useful.

on this vein, has sgt.fagot been banned yet ? -- 24/7 teamkiller. if anyone get&#39;s his arma id, please add it to the list.

in the last few days i&#39;ve seen 3, yes just 3 players that *need* banning. - players that if yu see connect to a server you can be 100% sure a mass of teamkilling will follow. This is what the global ban list should be for. Its very easy to pick holes in it and yes it may not be perfect, but if the servers just banned a handful of idiots the game experience would improve massively overnight.

[jerryhopper]

yes, PID data + NAME is recorded.

my tool outputs files "Mon_12_Mar_2007_0339.22_PID_Netlog.xml"
and is able to post that data to the web.

output example:
<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">&#60;?xml version=&#39;1.0&#39;?&#62;
&#60;server id=&#39;127.0.0.1&#58;2302&#39;&#62;
           &#60;player&#62;
&#60;playerid&#62;9525767&#60;/playerid&#62;
&#60;playername&#62;Stranger&#60;/playername&#62;
&#60;playeraction&#62;join&#60;/playeraction&#62;
&#60;playertime&#62;16&#58;25&#58;56&#60;/playertime&#62;
&#60;/player&#62;
&#60;player&#62;
&#60;playerid&#62;15563781&#60;/playerid&#62;
&#60;playername&#62;Faster&#60;/playername&#62;
&#60;playeraction&#62;join&#60;/playeraction&#62;
&#60;playertime&#62;16&#58;27&#58;12&#60;/playertime&#62;
&#60;/player&#62;
&#60;admin&#62;
&#60;adminname&#62;mad_gertje&#60;/playername&#62;
&#60;adminaction&#62;out.&#60;/playeraction&#62;
&#60;admintime&#62;23&#58;43&#58;15&#60;/playertime&#62;
&#60;/admin&#62;
&#60;admin&#62;
&#60;adminname&#62;Marco Schwertfeger&#60;/playername&#62;
&#60;adminaction&#62;in.&#60;/playeraction&#62;
&#60;admintime&#62;12&#58;53&#58;54&#60;/playertime&#62;
&#60;/admin&#62;[/QUOTE]


My new version 0.22 fixes XML output and adds admin actions.
it includes a php file for an example how to catch the data send by this tool.

again, a nightly (bURP&#33http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif build....

http://www.armedassault.eu/forum....id=1087 (http://www.armedassault.eu/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=14&thread_id=1087)

[Rambo-16AAB]

We had an influx of idiots at the weekend, but only added 7 names to the banlist.
Havent seen the guy that Sirex is talking about yet.

Checked the GBL website stats, its had over 31000 hits already. This will include the constuction phase where ive been in and out, shaking it about while building. A more accurate figure of hits will be generated next month.

Jerry did you contact Sebastien at all ?

[jerryhopper]

Jerry did you contact Sebastien at all ?
i have no clue who that is.

im a builder. i make things.
if you want something you&#39;d come to me.

if your interested in the tool, and maybe test it and even add options to it, try it, contact me on msn or such.

note that my tool is alpha stages. so dont need more work /distraction than i already have...

[Rambo-16AAB]

sebastien is the guy who runs our database. I though you were afteter some sort of intergration, but maby im confusing you with someone else.

[Cosmonaut]

Just like to add that I hope, with in reason, Tkers wont just get kicked and banned with out as much as the admin asking them why. I mean it&#39;s obvious most of the time so there&#39;s no reason to ask but yesterday I was kicked for tking and couldn&#39;t get back onto the server. I was flying a little bird and as I landed an idiot drove a fuel truck right into my chopper while i was stationary on the ground. It must have registered that I killed him and the admin kicked me. I didn&#39;t have a negative score either as I was flying choppers and the game had just started. Now I&#39;m not complaining about that its just a game and mistakes can be made especially when you&#39;re forced to admin and play http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif but i would hate to have been put on some kind of band list making it impossible for me to play online again.

[Rambo-16AAB]

Our guidelines on the website say that 3x kicks & warnings before threat of banning, then banning ( on the GBL ) only if it persists.
If you want me to check, PM me your ID number and I&#39;ll check it against the current list, or you can download the list yourself and look.

[Crush.lv]

Ok, so friendly fire does happen in ArmA from time to time. That&#39;s natural.
But what to do with a teamkiller? There is no autokick. There is a votekick, but tha&#39;t hardly ever works and they can just come back. Is there a voteban?
My idea is to implement a sort of an autoban. When a player makes 5 teamkills, the other players in his team have to vote whether to keep the player in the game or ban him. Easy. If the majority votes to keep him, he stays.
Because the players know who&#39;s intentionally teamkilling and who&#39;s just unlucky.

[Monkwarrior]

Think again pls.
Only those who have been teamkilled could (..) make a judgement whether the TK was intentional and thus vote.

It&#39;s far better to have a forgive script for the victims.
If they don&#39;t forgive then 1 extra TK is added to the sum of the teamkiller. After 3 teamkills (serverside variable of course) he is automatically banned/kicked or sessionbanned (again serverside variable).

All this to prevent that voting against someone has nothing to do with his teamkills of course http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Monk.

[Spokesperson]

Why care at all? Just lean back and relax. TK is not the end of the world... As a matter of fact it&#39;s jolly good fun&#33; MwahahHAHA&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif

[Spokesperson]

Our guidelines on the website say that 3x kicks & warnings before threat of banning, then banning ( on the GBL ) only if it persists.
If you want me to check, PM me your ID number and I&#39;ll check it against the current list, or you can download the list yourself and look.
Who cares about some shite guidelines. People do as the please, they always do. If Mr. Bob wants to play he does it despite guidelines or bans.

[Infam0us]

Think again pls.
Only those who have been teamkilled could (..) make a judgement whether the TK was intentional and thus vote.

It&#39;s far better to have a forgive script for the victims.
If they don&#39;t forgive then 1 extra TK is added to the sum of the teamkiller. After 3 teamkills (serverside variable of course) he is automatically banned/kicked or sessionbanned (again serverside variable).

All this to prevent that voting against someone has nothing to do with his teamkills of course http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Monk.
Sounds a lot like Punkbuster to me http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[MattXR]

Ok, so friendly fire does happen in ArmA from time to time. That&#39;s natural.
But what to do with a teamkiller? There is no autokick. There is a votekick, but tha&#39;t hardly ever works and they can just come back. Is there a voteban?
My idea is to implement a sort of an autoban. When a player makes 5 teamkills, the other players in his team have to vote whether to keep the player in the game or ban him. Easy. If the majority votes to keep him, he stays.
Because the players know who&#39;s intentionally teamkilling and who&#39;s just unlucky.
Just use the Public Ban List, it has most TKer IDs banned.

[Crush.lv]

As long as we can rid the servers from teamkillers, I&#39;m happy. It&#39;s ruining my game experience.
Especially those guys who just blow up all vehicles and you can&#39;t do anything anymore in coop missions.

[Rambo-16AAB]

Blowing up your own vehicles isnt a teamkill, unless its containing guys on your own team.
The Banlist is slowley growing with Teamkiller ID&#39;s.

[Cosmonaut]

Our guidelines on the website say that 3x kicks & warnings before threat of banning, then banning ( on the GBL ) only if it persists.
If you want me to check, PM me your ID number and I&#39;ll check it against the current list, or you can download the list yourself and look.
Thanks .. but I jumped on a couple of servers just after the incident with out any probs so I don&#39;t think I&#39;ve been band, it&#39;s just one of those online gaming things that happen from time to time. Although in all the years I&#39;ve been gaming that&#39;s the first time in any game I&#39;ve ever been kicked by someone.

[Monkwarrior]

I might make a script for it.
Have done so for dod and Red Orchestra so I might as well make it for arma.

Will get back on this later.

Monk.

[Crush.lv]

on this vein, has sgt.fagot been banned yet ? -- 24/7 teamkiller. if anyone get&#39;s his arma id, please add it to the list.
I can confirm this. He is a teamkiller and also an annoying person. Some confused kid.

[Rambo-16AAB]

I cant justify banning someone on say so only. He would need to be caught on one of the Banlist active banning servers.

[sirex]

dont worry about it. I&#39;ve seen him being an idiot on 4-5 servers now, so its only a matter of time.

this thread isn&#39;t really about making it personal, just that player is one of the three i&#39;d add given half a chance, so i thought id mention it.

[Frantic]

i was thinking of making the players at spawn immortal.

but since now with no success... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

[SGT.FAGOT]

I&#39;ll teamkill if I want to, I think its awsome.

I am a big city lawyer and will sue you if you ban me without my permision for a lot of chedda &#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036; and then I will teamkill some more, theres nothing better than hearing some screaching Euro almost in tears over teamspeak because I shot them in the back, it makes me feel like a God.


Haha just last night I had death threats off of some dork for taking off in a helicopter with 3 people in it as oppossed to 6 and called a noob because I wasnt a OFP "vet" , so I shot him and all his teamates in the teeth, it was great.


Teamkilling rules.

[zinc]

As long as we can rid the servers from teamkillers, I&#39;m happy. It&#39;s ruining my game experience.
Especially those guys who just blow up all vehicles and you can&#39;t do anything anymore in coop missions.
IF BIS would implement the serverside option:

- FRIENDLY FIRE OFF

It would make the idiots go forth and multiply elsewhere.

The biggest multiplayer servers seem to attract the most disruptive players, which is a shame because one of the best things about playing ArmA online in my opinion is &#39;big&#39; battles with lots of players, especially on the bezerker maps.

The last thing I want when I have the time to play is some brainless moron TK&#39;er spawn killing and destroying all the available transport.

This simple function would do away with all the debate on &#39;ban lists&#39; and the like and would make the online experience much more enjoyable for everyone. It would also stop the constant &#39;text spamming&#39; of insults and the bad language which always follows a friendly fire incident online.

I mentioned &#39;option&#39; in my post, I understand there are those among you who like the &#39;realism&#39; aspect of FF which is all well and good for &#39;private games&#39;, but public games are a different matter altogether, especially when the admin is absent.

[Dwarden]

wonder how You plan sue someone over being banned on theirs servers , You got ZERO NADA NULL rights there http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

yet i must admit this joke from immature kid gave me laugh for whole 3 seconds ...

[zinc]

I&#39;ll teamkill if I want to, I think its awsome.

I am a big city lawyer and will sue you if you ban me without my permision for a  lot of chedda &#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;  and then I will teamkill some more, theres nothing better than hearing some screaching Euro almost in tears over teamspeak because I shot them in the back, it makes me feel like a God.


Haha just last night I had death threats off of some dork for taking off in a helicopter with 3 people in it as oppossed to 6 and called a noob because I wasnt a OFP "vet" , so I shot him and all his teamates in the teeth, it was great.


Teamkilling rules.
I&#39;ve had the misfortune of witnessing your pathetic antics online. Hopefully, in one or two patches time you will be history&#33;

[SGT.FAGOT]

I&#39;ll teamkill if I want to, I think its awsome.

I am a big city lawyer and will sue you if you ban me without my permision for a lot of chedda &#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036; and then I will teamkill some more, theres nothing better than hearing some screaching Euro almost in tears over teamspeak because I shot them in the back, it makes me feel like a God.


Haha just last night I had death threats off of some dork for taking off in a helicopter with 3 people in it as oppossed to 6 and called a noob because I wasnt a OFP "vet" , so I shot him and all his teamates in the teeth, it was great.


Teamkilling rules.
I&#39;ve had the misfortune of witnessing your pathetic antics online. Hopefully, in one or two patches time you will be history&#33;
Hopefully in one or two patches time you&#39;ll shut up and respect your elders who actually fought in a real war and not this crappy virtual war where obese shut ins like you can besmirch my reputation as a hero.




SGT. Horatio Montavious Fong

8th Fight men infantry


Look that up on your computer you little brat and you&#39;ll see my combat records.

[SGT.FAGOT]

wonder how You plan sue someone over being banned on theirs servers , You got ZERO NADA NULL rights there http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

yet i must admit this joke from immature kid gave me laugh for whole 3 seconds ...
huh maybe if you werent a retarded child you could understand the most basic concepts of law - "if I dont want you to do it, it is illegal".


put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Celery]

...and respect your elders who actually fought in a real war and not this crappy virtual war where obese shut ins like you can besmirch my reputation as a hero.

SGT. Horatio Montavious Fong

8th Fight men infantry

Look that up on your computer you little brat and you&#39;ll see my combat records.
What should that prove? To me you&#39;re a psychopathic brat who thinks that it&#39;s fair to ruin the fun of others. Are you one of those sad individuals who throw garbage on race tracks, make noises in the movies and kick sand castles to the ground? The civilized community has no place for you.

Another theory is that you&#39;re a well-off lawyer in the land of prosperity and get along with everyone, only to unleash your dark side angst on the internet where people are "faceless bots". Either way you are an idiot and banned on our server.


This is your ID and name, right?
23654149 - SGT.FAGOT - TK

[zinc]

Hopefully in one or two patches time you&#39;ll shut up and respect your elders who actually fought in a real war and not this crappy virtual war where obese shut ins like you can besmirch my reputation as a hero.

SGT. Horatio Montavious Fong

8th Fight men infantry

Look that up on your computer you little brat and you&#39;ll see my combat records.
Little brat? That&#39;s hilarious, I was born in 1959

Re: &#39;Respect&#39;
That&#39;s actually &#39;earned&#39; and not given freely in my book, so until you actually do something &#39;worthy&#39; of my respect you&#39;ll get zero, non, nada from me.

Anyway, it&#39;s completely pointless replying to your posts as it contributes nothing of any value to the ArmA community, so Au Revoir&#33;

[SGT.FAGOT]

...and respect your elders who actually fought in a real war and not this crappy virtual war where obese shut ins like you can besmirch my reputation as a hero.

SGT. Horatio Montavious Fong

8th Fight men infantry

Look that up on your computer you little brat and you&#39;ll see my combat records.
What should that prove? To me you&#39;re a psychopathic brat who thinks that it&#39;s fair to ruin the fun of others. Are you one of those sad individuals who throw garbage on race tracks, make noises in the movies and kick sand castles to the ground? The civilized community has no place for you.

Another theory is that you&#39;re a well-off lawyer in the land of prosperity and get along with everyone, only to unleash your dark side angst on the internet where people are "faceless bots". Either way you are an idiot and banned on our server.


This is your ID and name, right?
23654149 - SGT.FAGOT - TK
Good your server is for noobs, haha I took out half your boys with a 9mm.

[SGT.FAGOT]

Hopefully in one or two patches time you&#39;ll shut up and respect your elders who actually fought in a real war and not this crappy virtual war where obese shut ins like you can besmirch my reputation as a hero.

SGT. Horatio Montavious Fong

8th Fight men infantry

Look that up on your computer you little brat and you&#39;ll see my combat records.
Little brat? That&#39;s hilarious, I was born in 1959

Re: &#39;Respect&#39;
That&#39;s actually &#39;earned&#39; and not given freely in my book, so until you actually do something &#39;worthy&#39; of my respect you&#39;ll get zero, non, nada from me.

Anyway, it&#39;s completely pointless replying to your posts as it contributes nothing of any value to the ArmA community, so Au Revoir&#33;
HAHAHAAH you&#39;re 48 and still playing computer games,good god what a dofus, do you play this little soldier game to make up for the fact that youve accomplished absolutlery nothing in your pitiful life or is it that you were too obese to join the real army? why the hell do you think I would want the respect of one so pathetic as you, you will be picking up your pension soon hahahahaah.

[S.O.S]

LMFAO SGT.FAGOT

lil brat lmfao

ur hilerious&#33;

[[DirTyDeeDs]-Ziggy-]

My Disorder map has a teamkill protection of sorts. It has a shoot in/shoot out of spawn type of protection. Unknowingly, I made it so a teamkiller will die himself if he wounds or kills in the spawn protected area. Check out CTF_2-16_Disorder on DK Dragon Knights game server for the example. If interested, I can post the protection scripts, but FYI, they were created by someone else.

yes, this is unrelated to vote protection, but it is effective.

[Dwarden]

wonder how You plan sue someone over being banned on theirs servers , You got ZERO NADA NULL rights there http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

yet i must admit this joke from immature kid gave me laugh for whole 3 seconds ...
huh maybe if you werent a retarded child you could understand the most basic concepts of law - "if I dont want you to do it, it is illegal".


put that in your pipe and smoke it.
nah i leave that smoke pipe to You ...

as You definitely under some stuff dreaming that You are lawyer, all power, hero, adult, war skilled veteran, game master

feel free to visit me at my house , i will show You who is retarted child in 3 moves known as "kick into balls"... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Rhodite]

SGT.FAGOT +1WL for double posting and flaming

[SGT.FAGOT]

wonder how You plan sue someone over being banned on theirs servers , You got ZERO NADA NULL rights there http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

yet i must admit this joke from immature kid gave me laugh for whole 3 seconds ...
huh maybe if you werent a retarded child you could understand the most basic concepts of law - "if I dont want you to do it, it is illegal".


put that in your pipe and smoke it.
nah i leave that smoke pipe to You ...

as You definitely under some stuff dreaming that You are lawyer, all power, hero, adult, war skilled veteran, game master

feel free to visit me at my house , i will show You who is retarted child in 3 moves known as "kick into balls"... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Ahh I know it was only a matter of time before one of you neanderthals threatened me with violence but you left one thing off of your list buddy Im also a martial arts experet, studying the ancient art of shotokan for over 15 years and am a black belt so that "kick to the balls" would be sidestepped and then followed up with my judo chop to your misshappen teeth.

[Rhodite]

SGT.FAGOT

In fact after a review of all your posts a PR is an addition you need.

48hours to cool off.

[[DirTyDeeDs]-Ziggy-]

hehehe... sounds like we got a Mygot punk stirring up trouble. All in favor of never responding to his comments again, say "AYE"&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/band.gif

[Rambo-16AAB]

I never responded to him in the first place.

[d3dsh33p]

-Ziggy- @<hidden> Mar. 16 2007,14:18)]hehehe... sounds like we got a Mygot punk stirring up trouble. All in favor of never responding to his comments again, say "AYE"&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/band.gif
He&#39;s not myg0t.

I can vouch for that

[RicoADF]

Thats frigin hilarious http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif

Some guy thinks he is all big and tough because he has been in the army, pfft. The army now adays is a computer game anyway compared to what my father and grandparents experienced in war.

Either play the game and have fun, or leave. Thankyou

Oh, and its fully legal to ban someone on a server, because that guy ownes it, pays for it and has the right to say who can and cannot use it http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

As for the idea of a global ban list, i dont like it and personally i will stay clear of any server that uses it, im here to play a game and have fun, not be banned on 1/2 the servers just because some 12yr old admin has gotten the shits with me because of an accident, and i wont go through the headach of proving that im innocent, this is a gaming community, not a court room.

[d3dsh33p]

exactly why my server will never have such a thing...

the chances for it to be abused are too high, due to egos, trouble makers, and n00bs making mistakes...

I&#39;ve said it once and ill say it again, the only way to combat it is to

A) have good admin controls (preferably point and click for everything needed)...

B) A good admin

simple as that

[RicoADF]

Also, im looking at the TKC website (to see what common cheats there are) and there is a ID changer that cant be picked up for OFP, im sure one will be in ArmA soon, which then makes the whole idea nul invoid, and the only people that will be banned are innocent players http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

[Cosmonaut]

Just got off a server with SGT.FAGOT and what can I say other than he is one seriously troubled individual http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/banghead.gif .. I&#39;ve seen his type before though and the best thing to do is just switch servers and that&#39;s pretty much it, problem is solved http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif .

[Dynamax]

there is a nameless jerk going around servers causing nothing but chaos and distruction. this player has a blank space for his name, but i do have his ID#

ID removed by moderator: Ask for ID in PM

i have seen him on many servers, and every time he connects all he does is TK and blow everything at spawn.
there is also another player going around with cheats who can drop bombs anywhere on the map no matter where he is. i have not been able to find who it was as it seems that what ever he is spawning over the map isnt tied in to his kills.
the last time i saw this, 3 towns were reduced to rubble in seconds, and more then half the players both opfor and bluefor were all killed.

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[walker]

Hi all

I agree with DirTyDeeDs]-Ziggy-&#39;s methodology. The point about this method of punishment is it is instantaneous. It is a form of Pavlovian associative conditioning where you enforcing a proper mode of thought on the aberrant mind of the TKer at the moment of their transgression so they like the dogs associate the pain with wrong behaviour.

I think of the TK as being a little like the Kidd who pulls the wings off a butterfly and then moves up to setting fire to cats and torturing puppies. The next thing you know they are the creepy guy the police have locked up and their basement or wreckers yard is full of bodies.

Basically it is obvious they are a kind of sociopath. They are acting their misplaced sexually based inadequacy in the virtual world because they find it hard to meet sexual partners or can not get it up or are otherwise impotent.

Such sociopaths have extremely short attention spans and prisons do not work for them because justice takes too long for them to associate the punishment with the crime.

For the TK a kick lasts as long as a JIP. And Ban as long as the time to get on another server or apply an ID change.

But like Pavlov&#39;s dogs the instant effect of wound matching or kill reversal or my favourite 10 minute keyboard lockout with Setpos to facing a corner in a room is that like the dog receiving a shock to stop it from being incorrectly aggressive the effect is instantaneous.

Doing it by script means they have not even bothered anybody this reinforces the inadequacy of their behaviour and makes it clear they are not even worth the admins time and effort to deal with. The rules are impersonal and implacable. It is no use whining or throwing a tantrum at the TK script it don&#39;t have ears.

These options also allow for correction, such as forgive functions, for the occasions when we are all stupid enough to wonder across our buddies field of fire. Who wants to be, or to cause our buddies to be kicked or banned for a mistake that was not theirs and that our buddies would forgive. Admins are loath to admit they got a ban or kick wrong and there are not a few little Hitlers among them.

Such TK sociopaths just need some fast effective conditioning to correct their behaviour; kicking and banning is like waving the white flag; I think we need less of this namby, pamby, whiney; kick and ban rubbish. We need proper effective instantaneous punishment.

Wound em, Kill em and Freeze em I say.

Kind Regards walker

[S.O.S]

"Father?" - "Yes, son?" - "I want to kill you,
Mother, I want to..."

[Key Dutch]

i dont know why u so wory bout TK, normaly there is Admin, who jobe is to deside what to do, he can chek ID and he can kick, and if its server member he can pass information to server admin who can bann ID. however auto-kick would be nice, if some ideot TK for 3 time in row, with leaving his ID for admin on screen.

[[DirTyDeeDs]-Ziggy-]

"Father?" - "Yes, son?" - "I want to kill you,
Mother, I want to..."
YAOUEIUALLNIGHTBAYBAY&#33;

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif



...
But like Pavlov&#39;s dogs the instant effect of wound matching or kill reversal or my favourite 10 minute keyboard lockout with Setpos to facing a corner in a room is that like the dog receiving a shock to stop it from being incorrectly aggressive the effect is instantaneous.


LMFAO&#33; that is funny as heck http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[ggxjimmy]

i made a anti TK script too.

if u TK in spawn or u shoot someone in spawn then u are killed too. simple

u can get this script on the GGX server and its currently on my map North Bases v1.3

[Evan110185]

To the GBL creater and users:

just wait until someone thinks you cheat or you accidently TK someone they and put your ID on the list... lol

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[Nixer6]

I&#39;ve only read the last 7 or 8 pages of this. I know it&#39;s a problem and have run into the likes of Sgt Fagot...name fits him no doubt... In fact I saw him "in person"..and he is quite disturbed.

Like others have said they not only are TK&#39;ing they have "caught on" and now are destroying the weapons, aircraft and vehicles you need to play.

Can&#39;t BIS help out on this with the original key # somehow?http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif? I mean get rid of these guys permanently. Ban their game?http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif

[Rambo-16AAB]

We do already have the ID numbers to some of the more famous idiots on the banlist. The servers you have been playing on ether dont have the latest list or dont use the list. Maby you should point them to http://www.armagbl.net if there not using it or dont know about it.

[nm-rosenrot]

Either play the game and have fun, or leave. Thankyou

Oh, and its fully legal to ban someone on a server, because that guy ownes it, pays for it and has the right to say who can and cannot use it  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

As for the idea of a global ban list, i dont like it and personally i will stay clear of any server that uses it, im here to play a game and have fun, not be banned on 1/2 the servers just because some 12yr old admin has gotten the shits with me because of an accident, and i wont go through the headach of proving that im innocent, this is a gaming community, not a court room.
i have to agree here too..  if somebody comes into the server and starts wasting equipment, tk, or just fooling arround.. its prob cus they are bored and not with the action, we try and get them involved with the action, send some instructions to follow.. like goto town xxxx or attack xxxx etc..  

they usually start playing as a team soon after..  if not... you&#39;ll soon get a few players asking for admin to kick them etc..  a few words warning usually does the job, if not they get kicked.. and go else where..  

all in all we seem to have regular people joining in our server, chatting and generally having fun..  maybe some servers seem to attract the team killers more than others  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/pistols.gif  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/band.gif

[shadowze]

Just curious

If I register with http://www.armagbl.net

Iam not going to have my email address sent on to spammers
I cannot see any clear privacy policy on this site

[Rambo-16AAB]

You email address is only availble to Admnins ( as long as I set the thing up correctly )
but if yo wish, I can pass it to every man and his dog, and scribble it on a few toilet walls if you realy want, but generally I dont share them out.

[studebacher]

Lists like this scare me after the game I just played. After playing for about an hour and a half on one of the few aussie co-op servers I finally get to see some combat, about 4th on the scoreboard, no TK&#39;s. Some moron blows up all the gear at the base. I got the boot, tried logging back in thinking it was an accident, Asked why I got the boot.
"Cause you blew up the base, bye." says admin.
Tried getting in again and explaining but no good.

I was so dissapointed.

[Rambo-16AAB]

Well, if you think you have been wrongly banned on the GBL then you can state your case on our appeals forum at the GBL website.
However, the GBL isnt an instant ban and its likely your were only banned from that particular server.

The latest trick by the morons to avoid banning is to Crash vehicles into loaded choppers or such. that way it attributes the team kill to the pilot or Driver of the loaded vehicle. Our Admins now watch all approaching vehicles so they have that drivers ID incase of a ram raid assault.

[sirex]

Well, if you think you have been wrongly banned on the GBL then you can state your case on our appeals forum at the GBL website.
However, the GBL isnt an instant ban and its likely your were only banned from that particular server.

The latest trick by the morons to avoid banning is to Crash vehicles into loaded choppers or such. that way it attributes the team kill to the pilot or Driver of the loaded vehicle. Our Admins now watch all approaching vehicles so they have that drivers ID incase of a ram raid assault.
they did the exact same thing in bf2. least in arma the community have a bit of power to put a stop to this type of idiocy.

[studebacher]

Yeah, maybe someone can be scripted in a map to note who blows up empty vehicles or something?
Hopefully I&#39;ll be able to play on the server again and the admin (who seems to be one of the regular 30 or so australian players) will see I&#39;m not an idiot.

[sirex]

i always thought they should make choppers invuln to team damage from when the engine is first started to when it leaves the ground, would solve alot of problems.

[monkeyb]

I&#39;ve only read the last 7 or 8 pages of this. I know it&#39;s a problem and have run into the likes of Sgt Fagot...name fits him no doubt... In fact I saw him "in person"..and he is quite disturbed.

Like others have said they not only are TK&#39;ing they have "caught on" and now are destroying the weapons, aircraft and vehicles you need to play.

Can&#39;t BIS help out on this with the original key # somehow?http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif? I mean get rid of these guys permanently. Ban their game?http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif
I&#39;m hoping that idiot soon gets bored. He obviously gets bullied at school and takes his frsutration out in the game.
He&#39;s just a worthless little ****wit who will never amount to anything.

[sirex]

there&#39;s a fair few servers running the list now, and it really does seem to work. so fair play to the gbl guys and good job. Had 2 games ruined yesterday so its nice to have places to go, even if they are normally rammed full of people trying to play properly and yuo cant get a slot.

[Rambo-16AAB]

we could easily fill maps with 60+ player slots most nights. problems are;-
1:- not enough large team maps available
2:- The team maps that are out there usually have instant respawn for vehicles = chaos
3:- The game itsels is not a tidy script. Its starts acting up when page file usage reaches 1.21gb ( servers limit is 3 gb ). this limit fills up fast when theres lots of players = frequest server restarts required.

Our public server 2 is currently down for configuration with team game ( C&H/Sector Controll) maps only so well see how well that does.

[sirex]

cool :-) - at the moment i have mission filtered to "berzerk" so i only play on those 95% of the time, the respawn for jeeps etc is 5 minutes which is a bit fast imho but it does the job.

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[sirex]

working on it. when a server gets overrun with muppets i try to find the admin and tell them about the gbl.

[kisho_]

is there any ability to log the name in question with each id ? - i know its not solid info, but it would be useful.

on this vein, has sgt.fagot been banned yet ? -- 24/7 teamkiller. if anyone get&#39;s his arma id, please add it to the list.

in the last few days i&#39;ve seen 3, yes just 3 players that *need* banning. - players that if yu see connect to a server you can be 100% sure a mass of teamkilling will follow. This is what the global ban list should be for. Its very easy to pick holes in it and yes it may not be perfect, but if the servers just banned a handful of idiots the game experience would improve massively overnight.
I&#39;ve also seen SGT.FAGOT numerous times and he&#39;s a NOTORIOUS teamkiller. He curses, flames, does whatever to intentionally ruin the game.

[Rambo-16AAB]

Hes on the list.

[kisho_]

Hes on the list.
You mean he was already on the list or from now on? How many servers use this banlist? And which ones?

[Rambo-16AAB]

hes been on the list for a few weeks.
We dont force server hosts to register or list there servers if they just download the banlist for use, so i can t say how many use the produced list.

[MattXR]

Ive just added 2 more IDs to the list and these 2 guys seem to have cheats that i havnt seen before.. They must be TKC or something simler.. Ive been following them from server to server and they are hardcore.. Please download and use the updated list.

Thankyou.

[Celery]

Ive just added 2 more IDs to the list and these 2 guys seem to have cheats that i havnt seen before.. They must be TKC or something simler.. Ive been following them from server to server and they are hardcore.. Please download and use the updated list.

Thankyou.
Chances are they are also using ID changers. They say on forums that there already is one but still in private use. You could just as well be banning 2 innocent players.

[sirex]

Ive just added 2 more IDs to the list and these 2 guys seem to have cheats that i havnt seen before.. They must be TKC or something simler.. Ive been following them from server to server and they are hardcore.. Please download and use the updated list.

Thankyou.
hardcore in this case meaning "dense", not "cool".

[MattXR]

Ive just added 2 more IDs to the list and these 2 guys seem to have cheats that i havnt seen before.. They must be TKC or something simler.. Ive been following them from server to server and they are hardcore.. Please download and use the updated list.

Thankyou.
Chances are they are also using ID changers. They say on forums that there already is one but still in private use. You could just as well be banning 2 innocent players.
From all the info i have gathered there is no ID Changers as of yet for ArmA. So dont worry. for now  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif

[ggxjimmy]

it wont b long.....

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[MattXR]

Whats the topic on 10 & 11 digit ID no.

Anybody have info on this?
Been seeing lots recently, most are doing the TKing
My German Game had two digits less than my UK version.. it depends i guess..

[PaveQ]

Why only a month ban? I would like to see permant bans. I like the way VAC works in steam, though thats for cheating...

Do you put cheaters on the list too? And any way to automatically update this list to the server, and merge with exiting bans? Can I use comments in the ban list?

EDIT: Any way to get id&#39;s of the TK&#39;ers who disconnect right after blowing chopper down, or something?

[Rambo-16AAB]

Lots of questions.

The Month ban was to give all a chance to see if they learned there lesson. If not, back on the list they go.

The list is for teamkilling only as actual cheating can be very difficult to prove. anyone can have a finger pointed at trhem and accused of cheating because they got the drop on someone.

No automatic intergration with a servers own banlist. You ether use this list as it is, or copy the ID&#39;s into your own server banlist to merge them.
The Banlist only accepts Number, not comments or woring etc.
you can get the ID of a Teamkiller who runs away by reading the servers little text window ( on the serving PC ) which logs all joining & leaving activity from the moment you run the server untill the time it stops. When A player joins this little display shows the Players name, ID and any mods they are running. Copy and paste that data into notepad and use the search function, its quicker than trying to read a moving display.

[Messiah]

good to see this continuing

you may want to take a look at this guy as he&#39;s publically video his exploits on the 16AAB server, of all places. Small amount of irony there...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT1b6zD2IeY

he&#39;s an active member of the TKC team, so he&#39;s likely to be back on your server till he gets banned.

[orlok]

hello

OT:
@<hidden> poster

wish i had him and a big stick for a few mins.

Id "ruin" him.

sorry but folks like this annoy me, but im giving him the attention he wants so enuf from me.

rgds

LoK

[Scrub]

I gotta agree, these TK&#39;ers are pathetic dorks.  I&#39;d be very happy to see Walkers Pavlonian corrective action AND the GBL (with forgiveness) in place.  Wouldn&#39;t that be nice?  A TK&#39;er kills and gets the corner treatment (and maybe a spanking for being such a vile loser), escapes out only to return and find he&#39;s banned.  Off goes their Arma, up goes the ID changer (when it comes out), and back up goes ArmA.  At least 5-6 min of peace if the individual is REALLY disturbed.

Wouldn&#39;t it be nice to combine the GBL with the new datastorage tools and one of the  external IP monitors?  An IP ban from the server would be fantastic.

Please keep up the good work against the sociopaths.  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

*Checking the BTS for a feature request on logging IP&#39;s*

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[sirex]

to be honest, i think the month limit is a bit silly, just ban them for good.

the bit that winds me up is that years ago there was anouther generation of idiots just like them being stupid, and now they&#39;ve grown up and i&#39;ll bet look back and think "damn what a waste of my time, and hell i was being a retard at the same time" but yet there&#39;s always a new bunch of morons willing to ruin every game on the net, who will them grow up (mentally, i mean) and realise they too were being dicks.

you have to put up with this constant stream of idiots who ruin it for everyone. I hope one day these guys will grow up and have their game ruined, and realise what a total waste of space it is.

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[Sgt JIB -16AAB-]

these sad people will learn when they can no longer get online to play a game in any server. just requires people to get on board with the GBL.

If people dont want to be tked all the time by the TKC community then get supporting the GBL. with enough support there will be dedicated servers that muppets from the TKC will not be able to get into no matter how many times they change their ids and profile names.

We are all still waiting on BIS to help out the admins and get us a remote tool to use. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/banghead.gif

[Dwarden]

i said that already in other thread but i suggest use of spectating script from Kegetys to ID any tker who drive over people / ramm vehicles etc ...

[sirex]

just had a thought. would it not be nice if you could type "#admin request" into armed assault and have the server send a message to the admin (via email or irc) and contact an admin to get them to join the server and stop a problem like a muppet.

is that scriptable ? (prolly not, but hey&#33http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[Rambo-16AAB]

If we had proper remote admin access that wouldnt be an issue as our admins would be monitoring the game 24/7 for outside, just as we have always done with all our previous games & servers.

[sirex]

i know, i meant for every other server where their arnt a fully dedicated team but who will help out when they know there&#39;s a problem.

at the moment i goto people&#39;s teamspeaks or whatever, it&#39;d be nice if you could send an alert to the admins from inside the game.

[Nutty_101]

It&#39;s more than possible to do all this via scripts. Just a matter of how. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Look around the sites. There is a solution out there to provide the ability to notify people.

[Maddmatt]

Wouldn&#39;t it be nice to combine the GBL with the new datastorage tools and one of the external IP monitors? An IP ban from the server would be fantastic.

Please keep up the good work against the sociopaths. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

*Checking the BTS for a feature request on logging IP&#39;s*
An IP ban wouldn&#39;t work for everyone. Some people have dynamic IPs. Here in South Africa most ADSL users have dynamic IPs that change everytime they reconnect and during the forced reconnects at midnight that some ISPs have. You would have to ban most of the country.

So long as BIS keeps implememting more measures against ID changers in patches we should be okay.


A group of hackers could take down the TKC site http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
Or a group of people with dynamic IPs can terrorize their forums http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[sirex]

[quote=Scrub,April 12 2007,20:29]
A group of hackers could take down the TKC site http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
Or a group of people with dynamic IPs can terrorize their forums http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
its not even worth discussing the possibility, the only thing they want is attention, im sure they&#39;d love a challenge.

[Rambo-16AAB]

Just report therevwebsite to their webhost for numerous TOS violations.

[JIN]

hi,

i play ofp since  2002for 4 years cuz the 4th  year was cheater year in mass

i play arma since end 2006 cheater doing it allready after  patch 1.04

cheaters haver there website like doing propaganda against competion  only fun and freedom is allowed

they dont catch but they are against soccer  tennis and  all other sports played in competition   freedom and fun

"they  can have freedom and cheat  go buy a server an call it cheat servers"

but leave  our freedom alone those who dont wanna cheat wanna play this for fun freedom and competition

so my question to bis

the comunity asks for it and is crying for it we see people leaving  the comunity coz of cheat
imo this game gonna end poorly with cheaters only getting bored cuz no real players or on it..like ofp did   within 2004
i hope they make other games like this in the futur

but for me from now on
terrible nice game for sure...but nothing against cheats is goodbye  my lover and is goodbye ofp arma  and the next futur game

it cant be war against  gamers and cheaters they should be banned  by an end user agreement  made from bis and imposible to  make them able to play....its like  hooligans on a soocer match they should be locked up and cooled  down...there is no law yet against this
but a end user lisence agreemant should deal with this cuz then  bis u make law against cheaters and   they cant use law  against  your end user lisence agreement

this game should  be a login game personalized like   few users only per cd key account
detecting cheats

updating more anti cheats then games  performance cuz  it aint that bad for  computer  of now adays negt genreration games   will have 100FPS on  everything   extra high grafic quality so dont bother  for  that part

its the cheating that kills  the game so here comes my question..."will cheating be stopped for once and  forever in this game?"...it is posible other games do it..there numbers get reduced
they have to get like 1000 email account  and dont have a count on it..they get bored of that part and change to  arma  cuz  its so easy
bis plz.... anounce something&#33;&#33;&#33;
cuz this game is allready getting to its end :&#39;(

ps:its not cuz  u score high that  magazines  that ur game is  that good
its not cuz amazon said they are out of stock that everyone playes the game
200 servers + and only 10 servers with people on it that maybe 2000 players  a day of the total millions of game copies that have  been sold
i dont even wanna laf with this
i saw my life ending with ofp ArmA # 13 at 69 years old
but now  i see a death end in this  have to  ride back and take an other road

[sirex]

wow, that was hard work to read :-)

edit: and btw i think the problem is really overestimated. -- i play alot and i&#39;ve not seen one yet. i have zero expectations of bis being able to stop it, because its damn near impossible to fix, moreover armed assault&#39;s open nature to allow addons makes that even harder.

maybe they&#39;ll be cheating away in 3-4 years time, but i dought it. there&#39;s nothing to unlock ala bf2, and not enough people to "bring down the almighty community of ". So frankly the best weapon we have is total apathy.

[JIN]

google something like "ArmA TKC" and ull find the cheats
that can shoot without reloading
they can change cdkey without reinstalling
and many other stuff
its just cheaters are away what they do
they dont shoot like more then 30 bullets in once
but they never reload u can never catch them
they change id by changing cdkey without reinstalling
thats imo piratry and against law and against bis
Bis ? are u doing something now??

[sirex]

i see everyone has done a really good job in making tkc feel like their a threat to the game. good job, every single game i&#39;ve ever played that was the one ingredient which would ensure they&#39;d be a pain in the arse for much longer than they would have otherwise.

they wont spoil my game, its not possible. if i join a server with every other player cheating, i just go get a beer and some peanuts. Way past letting kids (and lets face it, even if they arn&#39;t they do a damn good job of acting like one) ruin my day

but as i say, i&#39;ve yet to see one, and even if every public server was unplayable, i&#39;d go find a private community, so screw &#39;em they can run around like idiots all day long as far as i care.

[JIN]

if this go so far  to  only be able to play right  in private comunities ill be long time playing elsewhere and leave this game to cheaters

u go on tkc website  forums  and check americas army
they talk about i tried arma i cant   cheat... i will never play it ever again ( cuz they cant cheat on it)
LMAO

only things i hear about arma  is dual core  to hard to realize soon  
anticheat = nothing to do about its a  comunity thing
hmmm...
this  is a 2007 game for usa
dual core  is there since 2006
and since 2007 for all other games beside arma dual core is a standard and anti cheat is a standard and a must
i am mad and sad
cheating isnt a community problem its  u bis that has to resolve that
tkc isnt a comunity cuz they fade away if   u put punkbuster in it
they think they are hackers
i think ArmA community modders  can hack better then them but they dont cuz they like to play like ronaldo like to play soccer etc etc
tkc think they are cool  but they not  and they cant take it momy promised them  they will be cool in life
they cant losse and they loose all the time its there only way to loose  and the worst is even if they cheat they get owned
"TKC ull get owned son"

they say counterstrike source is a  cheater game
i think they have the same amount of cheaters as we have in arma its just CSS has 100000 players a day and arma has only 2000 players a day
so where does it hit harder
it hit arma   real players comunity that bis started on there forums
we are bis comunity
bis? can u do something about?

[sirex]

i still dont really believe its that bad. - there&#39;s a handful of servers. and a handful of players. if it was that rampant i&#39;d have seen it by now.

[JIN]

u play more aswering forums then playing the game friend
how can u know
and btw u cant see they cheat
u only need 3 bullets max to kill someone
so no reason to  fire 100 bullets on one guy
for sure no way to see it if they cheat
no way to see if there is a problem
but there is
and its not about to become paranoid or unsure about players
just  a monthly updated  punkbuster and a END USER LISENCE AGREEMENT would solve the problem

[JIN]

i still dont really believe its that bad. - there&#39;s a handful of servers. and a handful of players. if it was that rampant i&#39;d have seen it by now.

sad my friend if u see how much  people bought  the game

[sirex]

u play more aswering forums then playing the game friend
how can u know
and btw u cant see they cheat
u only need 3 bullets max to kill someone
so no reason to  fire 100 bullets on one guy
for sure no way to see it if they cheat
no way to see if there is a problem
you&#39;d know by looking at the scoreboard. - if having the cheat means they still suck i&#39;m not overly bothered anyhow.

and the reason im on the forums alot is because i visit it alot at work. :-)

[JIN]

u right sirex dont care at all play it  alone why not
since i post under this topic its because im not the only one thinking  this way and saying goodbye to  open-to cheat-games
sirex u not strong building more like blowing up eh??
u the one that would play it solo on  mp right
have fun LMAO
and im not talking bout satchel charges

anyway atleast  i tried put my opnion of making it better
ive put 50 dollah on each arma game  i bought were multiple of them so dont tell me i dont support it
grafics of a 2007 game and  all other features....what features??...?
i even  bought a dedi box so people can  actually play this game
start===>shutdown "can cause lag we have to optimize it"

[sirex]

no offence, i&#39;m assuming english isnt your first language, but can you run it by someone first because it&#39;s a bit hard to understand....

play it solo ? -- i never played arma solo, except when i&#39;m using the editor to make little missions. Multiplayer is the only way to go, that dosn&#39;t mean you have to give in to idiots though.

All i&#39;m saying is that making the "unhackable" game is very, very hard, but that armed assault isn&#39;t the sort of high profile game in which you&#39;re going to have alot of problems with dedicated teams of people who care enough to make that sort of effort.

If someone really wanted to, im sure they would have crashed every server, auto teamkilled every player and really annoyed the hell out of everyone. End of the day it&#39;s a problem which this type of game makes for itsself by being so flexible, but it&#39;s never manifested in the game because frankly, noone with the ability to cause that type of problem can be bothered.

tkc get bounded around on the forums alot as some evil force to do battle with (and in the process glorify their idiocy).

we already have the tools avaliable to beat off this type of threat in the form of common sense and a good majority of people who can work towards making the problem as small as possible, but dnt expect it to go away. It&#39;s a never ending arms race in every game.

Just realise the type of people your dealing with, and crack open another beer.

[JIN]

u lost me
why pimp if it aint true

google it : ARMA - TKC

dont you wish the game was high-profile??

i assume u cant read english..no offense

[sirex]

..... no comment needed methinks.

[dirtylarrygb]

..... no comment needed methinks.
Yep and today ive seen a hack that can kill and entire team repeatdely anywhere on the map.

Apahty is no defense.

ARMA is in the stat HL1 was as the cheats and hacks started, anyone remember the superspeed overclock hack that made poeple matrix like.

Sadley with people using pirate copies of ARMA then coming onto servers to try and upset players passworded servers are about the only defence.

[JIN]

like sirex said lets do nothing about it..and dont even ask bis to do something at it ..they wont ..eh??





(again im sarcastic..dont even mind)

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[JIN]

indeed a solution but will defnitely reduce  the player cap potential  of the game
i would get bored to registrate on some forum to have a pasword of a server

btw 2Lt High-16AAB- u wrote We come, we saw, we overcome"

or it is "we came we saw and conquer" or it should be  "we go to hell regroup and overcome"


"damn im on sugar or something"

us belgians say "who dairs ...wins" we never won but atleast we dair...next european cup again no belgian team

[Rambo-16AAB]

On a GBL subject, were looking at new databse which is easier to manage. Current one isnt completely performing as required.

[sirex]

..... no comment needed methinks.
Apahty is no defense.
its not apathy, it&#39;s just the posts he makes are mostly unintelligible so i&#39;m refusing to decypher them.

besides, i didnt say BIS dont or shouldnt care, i said the chances of them being able to beat the problem are nigh on squatt. The game was designed for serious people and players, not with your average bonehead in mind. I&#39;d suspect making it water tight is going to be a very uphill problem.

I mean, lets not pretend for a second that there&#39;s any real capacity from the idiot community to create cheats for arma and its already happened. Its not as per counterstrike where there are many many muppets looking for any flaw in the system.

[JIN]

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/help.gif ive checked many games  that run with anicheat softies
or with the  upcoming ROE systems that will be everywhere within games
AA does it EA does it and  doom engine games does it
+they use banlists from a lill everywhere like gbl is doing for arma atm

they have like pb  and a r.o.e system and like average 5 banlists from  anti cheat comunities
and i can say even if they cheat it will be   fast forgotten cuz they  wont be long ingame they even kick  people with  teribly bad and offensive  provoking language

banlist only is not a solution with there last methods
really need some extern cheat catchers or ROE that need    an End User Lisence Agreement to kick  or ban them for a good while

and  i dont say u dont find cheaters but i guarantee u much lesser then on our servers here  at this moment
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/help.gif

[Dwarden]

please continue about cheats and cheaters in this thread

http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin....1048736 (http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard311/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=73;t=56509;st=60;&#entry1048736)

instead of hijacking this thread about public banlist ...


and if You want PunkBuster in ArmA  vote and post here

http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin....t=48247 (http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard311/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=64;t=48247)

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[jerryhopper]

In the meantime you can choose the GBL HERE (http://armagbl.net/)  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

ok - i went there?

Quote[/b] ]Monday, 26 March 2007  
We are now looking for more servers to become active  Team Killer  Hunter servers

i dont see any information on the banned PIDS, no names.... nada&#33;
but i do see 5 digit pids?
 
i hear a lot of talk - but what actually happened till now?


BTW Jin : if you start using words like "ROE", you make me think of MYIS, and that makes me sick, VERY SICK&#33;
i will fight any MyIS effort to invade the arma community...

[Nutty_101]

Honestly I have yet to see any solutions that even work. In-game scripts are the best at the moment. We need something a little more dynamic to make this work. Maybe Bis could do something like a central account system. If the servers subscribe to it then you would have to be logged into your account to use a server. This would be at the BIS website not every servers site. We could then have system wide bans that go into place. It would also verify the keys and ensure that the players are not going to screw around. At the moment there is no punishment if you go off team killing for days on end. Where as that would just ban your account from playing and thus you need a new key to play. Shrug, who knows but I hope someone comes up with something at some point.

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[Rambo-16AAB]

update on the 1 month bit.

The new GBL database is 90% done. general users wont see much of a difference, but for admining it ( such as adding approved TKH admins ) its going to be a lot easier to manage.
To those who have been waiting on a Username or those who have already got a username to add ID&#39;s to the banlist Your ID will be sent to you shortly ( new users) existing users please contact me to get an ID for the new list ( which will be online this week )

[jerryhopper]

Well Jerry, a quick 1,2,3 step M8..........  

Go to the web page
GBL (http://armagbl.net/)


1. Go to main menu & "Access the Banlist"
Picture here (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u106/Highlander16AAB/GBLFrontpage.jpg)


Once you have done that you will see this Pic (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u106/Highlander16AAB/AccessBanList.jpg)

2. Click on the flag, you will then see this pic (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u106/Highlander16AAB/DownloadBan.jpg)

once you have done that


3. Download the .txt file (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u106/Highlander16AAB/GBLLIST.jpg) & add it to your server.


The more servers who sign up to become a Banning server, then the more chance we have of getting rid of these annoying people, the ban list works if servers download this .txt.

But to achieve this goal we need more input from dedicated servers, we need them to sign up&#33;&#33; Once they have signed up they can also update the Banning list.

We currently have just over 60 numbers who are banned for 1 month(this is an issue that we are looking at).

Hope this helps      http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/band.gif  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
Who do you take me for bud?
i see you posting that info all over the place...
A quick 1-2-3 usage of your GBL, is beyond my question.

my question marks on your system, do not lie in the &#39;idea&#39; of a banlist, but eventually realizing and maintaining it.

So....
What does a 5 digit PID in you BANLIST?
Who are those PIDS?
Why are they in the banlist, and based on what violation, When where they banned and on what server, and most important - Who decided to ban him and add to the list?

unless you can clearly explain me the above questions, i keep having BIG question marks on this project....

ffs, change that javascript ticker on that site&#33;
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

[Nutty_101]

I have to agree with Jerry. Also putting them out there for public view isn&#39;t the best solution. While i am going to guess that quite a few of the pids in there are keygen created you are going to help someone convert their key to that ID to play for real. Jerry has a very valid point and to be honest with you.

I don&#39;t know what the future will be for this product with all the cheats. I have been finding more and more out there and just general changes that are ruining the game.

[Nutty_101]

How about this, server admins would have to run the program but it would sit on the computer and block out anyone who sends a pid that is on the ban. It would deny all IP traffic from this user for a specified amount of time. I have a program i was writing a while ago that would do just this. I might fix it up and see if i can build it so that it will talk to a database for the future.

[Rambo-16AAB]

Q
1:- What does a 5 digit PID in you BANLIST?
2:- Who are those PIDS?
3:-Why are they in the banlist, and based on what violation, When where they banned and on what server, and most important - Who decided to ban him and add to the list?


A
1:- I have no idea what you mean with one
2:- We cant leagally advertise PID&#39;s with names, or record them with name/details as in the UK that could fall fowel of the data protection act by colating personal info.
3:- The Banlist is for Persistant teamkillers at present. We do not record where they were banned, but we will be recording who has banned then in version 2 or the databse soon, but that information will not be available to the public as nether is the date stamp of when the ban was placed as its not required to generate a ban file for a server.

Only server admins who have been authorised and received a Banning ID login can add names to that list. No one else can.

[MattXR]

Quote[/b] ]
So....
Who are those PIDS?
Why are they in the banlist, and based on what violation, When where they banned and on what server, and most important - Who decided to ban him and add to the list?


That would be a great idea for improvement.

[MattXR]

Quote[/b] ]2:- We cant leagally advertise PID&#39;s with names, or record them with name/details as in the UK that could fall fowel of the data protection act by colating personal info.

Scew that law its a game, and we all arnt from the UK lol

[Rambo-16AAB]

No, but the database is, so its covered by UK law now, or will be with V2.

[sirex]

actually, (as a straight up question) are you sure on that ? -- i wasn&#39;t aware that an online game alias fell under the data protection act, as its not personal information, is it ?

i mean, your msn address, email address, icq number, yes, but a game name gives no way to contact you, so it&#39;s just raw data, isn&#39;t it ?

(anyhow... i&#39;d prefer this info to be simply "ID X was banned for ", that way you wont get muppet A using someone else&#39;s name in game to get them a bad rep, as it&#39;ll still be on their ID) (till the id changers hit the street, but that&#39;s BIS&#39;es problem).

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

N/A

[BiGGiBs]

Hi

Just like to butt in here and ask is there a way for a player to lookup and find out his own ID?
To lookup and see if it&#39;s been added to the global ban list.

Reason i ask is i&#39;ve ben getting the  &#39;you were kicked from the server&#39; message from one UK server for the last week.
And now i&#39;m finding another one of my fav uk servers is giving the same message.
Not sure if that message even means that my id has been banned or not?...would be nice if the server left a clearer message about why i was kicked...or if i am banned then state that at least so i know&#33;

I have a feeling someone is abusing this feature and banning me for no good reason
I have never TK&#39;d deliberatly,and would never spoil anyones enjoyment of a game,i have never abused anyone...i&#39;m always helpfull if someone asks for help of any sort and seeing as i love arma and have a legit copy i would soon see myself unable to play at all if i did.

Is rather annoying as there a very few fast Uk servers as it is&#33;
fair enough if one server host doesn&#39;t like me or something for some reason...but if hes used that to put my id on the ban list...well thats totaly out of order&#33;

BiGGiBs

[Rambo-16AAB]

Sure, you just need to download the list and have a read ( use notepad and then you can search )

[BiGGiBs]

wow quick reply

but i dont know what my own id num is so that txt doc doesnt help until i know what my id # is

[Rambo-16AAB]

Run ARMA.
At the main screen where you can see the optinos/play/etc
look up at the top left, you see a Soldier, click that to get your user profile, and in there you will find your player ID.

[Celery]

Doesn&#39;t "you were kicked from the server" mean that it&#39;s locked or it doesn&#39;t like your face or custom sounds. From my personal experience you just return to the game browser with a message "you are banned on the server".

[Rambo-16AAB]

It could be a custom file causing it, but he wants to know where his id is, so i told him.

[BiGGiBs]

Thanks for your help,ill go check that out.

Btw i do think that a ban list is of some sort is a good idea
We need some way of keeping the deliberate TK&#39;ers from spoiling such a great game the the rest.

@<hidden> & Rambo
I don&#39;t use any custom files...only thing i use is the beta patch
also might have got the message slightly wrong..&#39;kicked off the game&#39; not server&#33;
that happens as soon as double click on one of the 2 servers i&#39;m talking about
Also i have heard people saying lock the server while ingame...could that be the reason i can&#39;t join them?,locked the server...and is it possible to you tell if a server is locked from the server browser?

update..checked the ban.txt and my id isn&#39;t listed.:yay:

BiGGiBs

[brit~XR]

Hope you guys know baning ID&#39;s is pointless when it comes to TKC. they prob have ID changer that they aint made public. Only way to ever stop them is to ip ban there range like i do on my ofp server and like the roughnecks server.


Quote[/b] ]good to see this continuing

you may want to take a look at this guy as he&#39;s publically video his exploits on the 16AAB server, of all places. Small amount of irony there...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT1b6zD2IeY

he&#39;s an active member of the TKC team, so he&#39;s likely to be back on your server till he gets banned

I beleave your already ip banned on my server along with 100 other people. Ask your friend GRU Sniper. I banned him when he cheated in a CTI game. Sad thing is he claims he never cheats in CTI.. just c&h and dm lol.

All i can say is.. if you dont own a dedicated server with full remote access with a firewall like blackice server protection that you can use for ip baning then your pretty much doomed vs the TKC guys who are willing to goto any length to cheat and ruin games.

There should be some kind of law to stop these guys modifly the exe like the tkc supercheat 1.26c. wont be long before they have a supercheat for arma to ruin games and even crash server where they spawn so much crap that server cant take it and dies.

I heard its alegal to modifly the exe but dunno if that is true and if it is then bis should do something about this or arma will end up like ofp....







Quote[/b] ][quote=Scrub,April 12 2007,20:29]
A group of hackers could take down the TKC site  
Or a group of people with dynamic IPs can terrorize their forums

Thats on already been some time ago :P There site went down when a certain 100mbit server mass downloaded files of there site with a mass download program using up all there monthly bandwidth... thats the reason you have to enter a code when you download stuff off there site now  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif

[Nutty_101]

I think there is a way to make a utility to find some cheaters. If we watch the packets (I know its taboo but were in the dark closet with with some perverts) we can tell some things going on. Can&#39;t stop everything but we can resolve a few things at least. Mass kills are one that we can stop, another is the damage radius (except if a mod changes it).

Oh yeah, is anyone else playing around with something like this or are they too keeping the methods they are using in a empty field with no one around to see them?

[Rambo-16AAB]

In multiplayer, the damage is calculated on the client, not the server, thats how they can wipe everything out with 1 grenade.

[Dwarden]

one thing ...

no public encouraging of illegal activities (hacking servers, DDOS w/e) on these forums

any further violation of that will result into +1 WL

[Rambo-16AAB]

I wasnt encouraging it, if thats directed to me.

[sirex]

i think it was directed at nutty, in error though since i think nutty is suggestnig looking at the server packets from the server.

it wouldnt help anyhow though, it&#39;s not like the content of the packet is being misread by the server, it&#39;s just they tamper with what the server expects the client to do and make the client do what they want it to do ("i.e yes, honest, i killed everyone with this ak47 round") -- problem is at the moment the server goes "oh, ok then&#33;").

</laymans terms>

[zyklone]

I think there is a way to make a utility to find some cheaters. If we watch the packets (I know its taboo but were in the dark closet with with some perverts) we can tell some things going on. Can&#39;t stop everything but we can resolve a few things at least. Mass kills are one that we can stop, another is the damage radius (except if a mod changes it).

Oh yeah, is anyone else playing around with something like this or are they too keeping the methods they are using in a empty field with no one around to see them?
This is exactly how we detected TKC in OFP, the same should certainly be doable in arma.
I don&#39;t think anyone has reverse enginnerd the network protocol yet though so there is some trial and error required.

[Rambo-16AAB]

I think maby the countermeasures should be discussed in a separate thread.

[Nutty_101]

I think there is a way to make a utility to find some cheaters. If we watch the packets (I know its taboo but were in the dark closet with with some perverts) we can tell some things going on. Can&#39;t stop everything but we can resolve a few things at least. Mass kills are one that we can stop, another is the damage radius (except if a mod changes it).

Oh yeah, is anyone else playing around with something like this or are they too keeping the methods they are using in a empty field with no one around to see them?
This is exactly how we detected TKC in OFP, the same should certainly be doable in arma.
I don&#39;t think anyone has reverse enginnerd the network protocol yet though so there is some trial and error required.
I have some of it back. Don&#39;t know how much we will be allowed to do but might as well try at least. I am just tired of the cheaters and exploiters on the servers. I for one want to run a clean server for people to have fun. No i don&#39;t want a password, they get them anyway so why bother.

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[Nutty_101]

Here is my partial solution that i am working on. (Might be a little bit but it will show up.)

This thread i talk about an app that might help us. (http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard311/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=73;t=59781;st=0;&#entry1057396)

[Banzai!]

You have to admit that teamkilling is pretty funny though, especially since running over people doesn&#39;t count as a TK. We do it all the time on our server while we wait for the blackhawk to respawn in Evolution.

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[Shifty-16AAB-]

You have to admit that teamkilling is pretty funny though, especially since running over people doesn&#39;t count as a TK. We do it all the time on our server while we wait for the blackhawk to respawn in Evolution.
you are one of the muppets, that is posting on the tkc forums and asking for hacks. i have no respect for people like you. i hope one day i&#39;l find a working arma community and a working arma game. until then...have a good game. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/goodnight.gif

[Spokesperson]

No he speaks the truth. It is fun, and you should admit it as you do it secretly. It&#39;s you guys who are ruining the game by using public ban lists against innocent people&#33;

[Maddmatt]

No he speaks the truth. It is fun, and you should admit it as you do it secretly. It&#39;s you guys who are ruining the game by using public ban lists against innocent people&#33;
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif

If you wont play the game in a way that lets the rest of us enjoy it too, then we don&#39;t want you.

[W0lle]

This topic is about using a public ban list and not about how lame cheating is or how much fun it is, not&#33;

Either we go back on topic here or I close this topic.

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[dob]

id = 942344 massive Tker Pseudo Otto997

[2Lt High-16AAB-]

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[dob]

roger

[sirex]

by the way, did anyone else notice this change in the 1.07 beta changelog

"5154 - Fixed: Dedicated server - ban.txt was locked for edit during the game"

good news for the GBL people.

[jerryhopper]

yeah....amongst some other interesting things.....

[Rambo-16AAB]

Yep noticed that. Fortunately, not had the need to test it yet.

[sirex]

so... when is someone with too much time going to whip up a windows service / linux cron job to auto get the text file and update the ban list ?

</me side steps out the door slowly>

[Rambo-16AAB]

Dont anyone do it just yet.
the fiddely-arsed pain in the butt new batabase will be open for general access on the website soon, so no point attaching anything to the existing database at the moment.

[Rambo-16AAB]

The New database is live on the BGL website now.
If you accessed the database previously by a direct URL, that points to the old database only, so please use the new list from the GBL website.
If you were submitting ID&#39;s as the TK Hunter, you will need to contact me for a new login & password ( Youll need to give me a working email addy to send the password to you )
Each TK hunter can now remove ID&#39;s he or she had added to the list and its now advisable that any hunters register on the website to deal with any appeals against bans you have made.