No-Grass islands released!

[eJay]

Arma-Zone.pl (http://arma-zone.pl) proudly presents new version of Rahmadi and Sahrani - no-grass islands. Now, if you had problems with fps, it's past... We tested on good, middle and low-end configs and we can only say - It's smoother, faster about 25-50%! Islands were modfied by OFman. He can also added ENG readme which include solution how transfer "Sahrani campaign" to no-grass Sahrani.


Download:

http://www.arma-zone.pl/modules....lid=116 (http://www.arma-zone.pl/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=116) (35 MB)


   Grass                                      No-grass

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Enjoy!

[redface]

wow that is cool solution

does this effect your being spotted by the AI? or is the grass just cosmetic in Arma engine?

[-SWAT-]

sorry to explain it, but: Why did i buy Arma? To play on an OFP style island?

I appreciate the work OFman did, but for me it's no island i like to play on

[Jahve]

Its just cosmetic, there is no grass tall enough in ArmA to hide you.

IMO the grass is a fancy graphical feature that makes the game lag for people who doesnt have dual core computers, wich alot of people who might want to play arma still doesnt have, myself included.

@<hidden>: If you dont want to use it, just dont download it&#33;


Anyways,
Good one http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif

[PaMe]

lol, ofp in a southern region. bravo&#33;
im not a friend of this&#33; if i havent got the hw to play arma, i couldnt play it. switch such features like grass off or on is a kind of cheating in my oppinion&#33; you have a huge advantage without grass, but thats a feature of arma&#33;
im waiting for the whining on the servers. same as in ofp. everybody works for its own on the game, without any brain.

i love my grass http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/mad_o.gif

[YacieK]

Good work OFman - greets http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[wex-q]

Since my soon-to-be squad is mostly going to play CoOp, and the AI see you through grass aswell as they do when you&#39;re not in the grass, this is very appriciated.
I&#39;m probably not going to have a performanceissue, but I&#39;m not sure about the rest of the squad.

Thanks again for this addon http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif



...If you dont want to use it, just dont download it&#33;...
And for all, see this first, and then make a post/leave the topic.

[Lockheed Martin$ch]

Since the grass is only handycapping the human players due to missing view geometry, its not cheating against the AI - it&#39;s giving equal chances to player vs. AI http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

Of course in MP during PvP, one with grass and one without would be cheating. But since you can see someone at distance because the grass is only created around yourself, it is also only giving fairness.

So: Nice to have it to reduce lag and giving equal chances to everyone&#33; If you don&#39;t like it -> don&#39;t download it - simple, ey? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[PaMe]

i spoke about the mp-part of arma. i dont know, if thats a "modified file" and the nograss-user will automaticly be kicked. but if not, thats unfair to those users with the original feature, the grass. that was my main-point. there is no balancing more between us as humans, not the ki&#33; sry for my 1st post, wasnt spezified enough, but the point is the same&#33;

[Rg]

Thanks for this addon http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif . It really makes a difference for people with lower end computers.


Here are some numbers I got from quick testing (All facing 50 Azimut)
--------------------------------------------------

-Top of Mountain 402 (all on the dot next to the numbers) (N.S. grassy area with trees)
35 vs. 47

-275 (N.S. in forest)
25 vs. 29

-174 (S.S. Somato, some grass over looking the town)
24 vs. 25

-174 (Same position, but hovering in the MH-6)
19 vs. 19

-Street (S.S. Parasio all buildings with little grass)
19 vs. 20


As you can see the results are obvious. Since you fixed a huge performance drop for low end computers with grassy areas, hopefully someone will figure out a "fix" for forests (maybe no tree sway will help fps? since every tree moves) and towns/cities. Whats interesting is that just sitting in a chopper eats up about 10fps (quick estimate and quick test). I’ll check this again later, but I can’t believe that just sitting in the cockpit can eat up that many frames.


BTW, eJay, can you post your system specs.? (Mine is P4 2.8, 1 gig ram, AIWx800xt, audigy2)

[-SWAT-]

@<hidden>: If you dont want to use it, just dont download it&#33;
Why does everybody post something like that when there is a negative post? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

I know that i needn&#39;t download it. I just told my opinion to this addon, not less and not more.
And as i already said, i appreciate this work...

[Pellejones]

@<hidden>
People post "if you don&#39;t like, then don&#39;t download" when people post things that doesn&#39;t add anything to the thread. Saying "Why did i buy Arma? To play on an OFP style island? ..." doesn&#39;t add anything useful to the thread. And he didn&#39;t ask if people were going to use it or not.

If you would have said "Nice addon, this will surely make it better for people with slow CPUs etc. but I am not going to use it." is a different matter. This makes the creator feel good for making an addon, and will hopefully make him continue to work on Addons for ArmA. And you still get to point out that you are not going to use it, as you so obviously have to do. Or saying "Won&#39;t this be cheating?" is also adding to the thread since it brings up a subject that is important.

But just saying what you said is just... well, no one cares if you want don&#39;t want to play on the island unless you present the "No way&#33;" in a more thoughtful manner. So instead of telling everyone that you don&#39;t want to use the island, just ignore the thread. But if you really really must let everyone know that you are not going to use the addon, try not to be so negative when you post.

That is why you get:

Quote[/b] ]If you dont want to use it, just dont download it&#33;

[SniperAndy]

I think this is a good solution for people with performance issues. And I don&#39;t see a problem in this being used on coop servers.

Nice and thanks... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Imutep]

Yeah...it&#39;s a good idea for people with lower pc&#39;s...like me http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
I will test it now. Thanks for the good work.

Imutep

[jantenner]

excellent

[])rStrangelove]

Great idea & much appreciated. Well, i do have a dual core but i&#39;d rather see my cpu resources put to good use (to have more details on buildings or vehicles for example). So THX&#33;

Somebody mentioned &#39;cheating&#39;: now i dunno what this is all about - if everybody plays on a nograss island then all players share the same &#39;advantage&#39; right?

[Deadfast]

Hell yeah &#33;
Thanks mate &#33;
This could give my poor performace a nice boost at least &#39;till I&#39;ll get some better rig - playing on AMD Athlon 2600+, GF FX 5700 and 1GB RAM is far from being good http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif .

I&#39;m gonna try it later today and as I&#39;m mostly coop player there shouldn&#39;t be the "cheating" problem.
Now just to fix the forests - that&#39;s a killer too http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif .

[MattXR]

I must say this is great i can play with my ArmA setting to high now and keep at a constant 25fps.. with the grass i go to 10-15fps

btw since this is an addon and not a replacement people will have to convert missions to this island to play with no grass. there for player vs player wont work with 2 people having one island and the other 2 using the other.

[-SWAT-]

@<hidden>
Thx for your informative statement. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif I didn&#39;t mention to criticize this addon or the addon maker or anyone else.

For me it just would be a step back into the past, to play on an ofp-styled island.
There are very good advantages for low spec pc users that i wouldn´t deny. And i tested the island for myself, it&#39;s a nice work.

But as PaMe already said
Quote[/b] ]i love my grass

[Jahve]

An idea though, m8, would be to add a tag to your addon so if someone else makes a pbo called saraNG (wich they shouldnt) it wont screw with your pbo. The end result would be that you should call the pbo and classes something like ejay_saraNG.pbo etc.

[PaMe]

btw since this is an addon and not a replacement people will have to convert missions to this island to play with no grass. there for player vs player wont work with 2 people having one island and the other 2 using the other.
nice to hear that.
im not a scripter or a modder, thats why i used the point of possible performance cheating, sry about that. now i can say, thats a good reason to play arma on lower systems with better fps.
thx for this work, but my system can handle arma very well, with all implemeneted features like grass. i dont want to miss that, cause i like the way it works. about the ki-super-eyes i dont have to say anything else, but thats BIS&#39;s work, not our&#33;

much fun with "shiny-ofp" http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[Dr_Chris]

Good job mate. I&#39;ll recommend these to some of my guys who are having FPS issues.

I get 50fps on full settings with grass (*dance*) but it&#39;s certainly good for folk who aren&#39;t stupid enough to waste money all on computer parts&#33;

[jantenner]

just tested it and i like the look much better, and of course the performance gain. finally i enjoy playing missions on north sahrani.
best addon so far&#33;

[Vulture2k1]

So competitive gameplay is totally dead now, because everyone can cheat like hell with own weapon configs and grasless islands.

Thanks >_<

[Dallas]

I think it gives players using the addon an unfair advantage over player who doesn&#39;t. It turns the player into an AI and gives him higher visibility, while prone.

[Sid6dot7]

since this is an addon and not a replacement people will have to convert missions to this island to play with no grass. there for player vs player wont work with 2 people having one island and the other 2 using the other.
@<hidden>
Erm http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif


btw. Nice Addon&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif

[Dallas]

since this is an addon and not a replacement people will have to convert missions to this island to play with no grass. there for player vs player wont work with 2 people having one island and the other 2 using the other.
@<hidden>
Erm http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif


btw. Nice Addon&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif
I thought I&#39;d bang my drums anyway. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

[Jaffo]

Nice addon. I hadn&#39;t fired up ArmA for about a month but did so just to check it out; certainly looks a lot better than the acres of useless grass that&#39;s in the game (and that BIS should have made switchable).

Now, if you could just make some mods for the flight models, clunky movement and aiming to bring it back to something like OFP, it might be worth playing ArmA&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

Keep up the good work

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Jinef]

Nice idea, the grass in normal Arma is useless. People who say otherwise are remedials. Well done.

Next version for you, SaraNG + 6 Digit Grid References.

class Grid : Grid {
offsetX = 0;
offsetY = 0;

class Zoom1 {
zoomMax = 0.1;
format = "000";
formatX = "000";
formatY = "000";
stepX = 100;
stepY = 100;
};

class Zoom2 {
zoomMax = 1e+030;
format = "00";
formatX = "0";
formatY = "0";
stepX = 1000;
stepY = 1000;
};
};

[Average Joe]

I like the idea, But without the grass It looks scarily bare. Maybe sometime someone can release a light version of grass, say a tuft here or there as such.

[Sickboy]

Nice job guys&#33; Altough I would miss the grass, as for me it adds to the immersion, except of coarse the fact that it&#39;s everywhere around you http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

I personally would prefer &#39;less grass&#39; and &#39;less tall&#39; grass, but since there are no tools available yet, I guess that&#39;s a dream that remains for a while http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[alpha125rbf]

Thank ya a lot&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

I have a dual core machime AMD 3800X2, but also just a Geforce 6600 PCi;
I ounly like the gameplay, not the slideshow graphics.


And your addon increases the gameplay &#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif

[NeMeSiS]

I personally would prefer &#39;less grass&#39;
Just change a number in the config of sara.pbo http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
I lowered my grass with 70%, that way it still feels like ArmA (as opposed to the barren feel of OFP), but still get a nice FPS boost, and the grass isnt constantly in my face anymore when laying down http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

EDIT:
For those interested, look at this:

clutterGrid = 3.110000;
clutterDist = 27;
noDetailDist = 20;
fullDetailDist = 0.200000;
minTreesInForestSquare = 2;
minRocksInRockSquare = 1;

Everything should speak for itself, iirc &#39;clutter&#39; is the grass/little rocks

[OFman]

I&#39;m happy that u enjoy my little addon http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif Now I have to wait for new Visitor http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Sickboy]

Just change a number in the config of sara.pbo http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
I lowered my grass with 70%, that way it still feels like ArmA (as opposed to the barren feel of OFP), but still get a nice FPS boost, and the grass isnt constantly in my face anymore when laying down http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
Thanks m8&#33; I haven&#39;t taken a look at it yet ...
Are you talking about Density reduction or height reduction, or both? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[NeMeSiS]

Just change a number in the config of sara.pbo http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
I lowered my grass with 70%, that way it still feels like ArmA (as opposed to the barren feel of OFP), but still get a nice FPS boost, and the grass isnt constantly in my face anymore when laying down http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
Thanks m8&#33; I haven&#39;t taken a look at it yet ...
Are you talking about Density reduction or height reduction, or both? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Looks like i edited my post just too late, please look at my previous post http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Im talking only about Density reduction, i&#39;m afraid hight reduction requires the new o2 (not sure though).

[nubbin77]

I actually like the way BIS implemented the grass. I&#39;ve lowered the density of the grass by a 3rd like ofpforum did, but I actually extended the distance its drawn from 20 meters to 150 meters. That way its not such an abrupt end and you get a more clear LOS. The good news is, if everyone has 6 GHZ computers and Geforce 10s in 3 years, we&#39;ll have grass coverage out to 500 meters, what we&#39;ve all dreamed about.

BIS should be commended for making such scalable software. They are very forward thinking. Although it seems to have hurt them this time with all the critisim regarding performance.

[bravo 6]

FINALLY&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif

..as some say


Excellent&#33;

[funnyguy1]

dzieki, przyda sie&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif chociaz sproboje tez opcji ze zmniejszeniem detali w configu http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif grejt uork panowie

[maxqubit]

I actually like the way BIS implemented the grass.  I&#39;ve lowered the density of the grass by a 3rd like ofpforum did, but I actually extended the distance its drawn from 20 meters to 150 meters.  That way its not such an abrupt end and you get a more clear LOS.    The good news is, if everyone has 6 GHZ computers and Geforce 10s in 3 years, we&#39;ll have grass coverage out to 500 meters, what we&#39;ve all dreamed about.

BIS should be commended for making such scalable software.  They are very forward thinking.  Although it seems to have hurt them this time with all the critisim regarding performance.
agreed.

[Heatseeker]

Those saying it looks better now should admit that it really doesnt, it looks barren and flat just like OPF.

If this gives people some much needed extra fps then it can be seen as a good thing but on the other hand this is not how the game was meant to be played and now that someone figured this out it will be abused..

Can you see the irony? everyone praised those ugly grass field mods for OPF... BIS made something much better and now everyone hates it.

Next step, replace Sahrani models with OPF models because they were less system demanding too?

[xxstalker24xx]

Those saying it looks better now should admit that it really doesnt, it looks barren and flat just like OPF.

If this gives people some much needed extra fps then it can be seen as a good thing but on the other hand this is not how the game was meant to be played and now that someone figured this out it will be abused..

Can you see the irony? everyone praised those ugly grass field mods for OPF... BIS made something much better and now everyone hates it.


Next step, replace Sahrani models with OPF models because they were less system demanding too?
No players dont not like it, its just some of use have lowe grade computer so arnt able to play well due to lag, with this we are able to play better.

Stop being so bossy people can do what they want with their games, if they wnated to change the models to OPF models then they can do just that.

[Sanctuary]

Quote[/b] ] Can you see the irony? everyone praised those ugly grass field mods for OPF... BIS made something much better and now everyone hates it.

Next step, replace Sahrani models with OPF models because they were less system demanding too?
As far as i remember, i have seen none complaining because there is grass, but because :
-the game is not smooth enough for them to really enjoy gameplay, as it should be
-the grass offer no concealment at all as they disappear with distance
-the grass block player view and does not block AI view in same conditions

If BIS would find the magical solution to those 3 problems, i doubt you would see anyone complaining.

Oh and just for the record, in OFP the "ugly grass field" could be used for visual concealment (the genius masterpiece of OFP modding named "SLX") with the AI and so had a real gameplay function, while not cutting the framerate so much.

[Dwarden]

yeah grass is real pain on hilltops http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif ...

all You see is grass (while You standing) ...

all what enemy sees (far down under hill) is Your head ...

boom headshot http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif

[jammydodger]

Good work guys, im sure some people will find this very helpful.

[450R]

BIS should be commended for making such scalable software. They are very forward thinking. Although it seems to have hurt them this time with all the critisim regarding performance.
I personally wouldn&#39;t call ArmA scalable. There isn&#39;t much of a performance difference between low, normal and high (at least not in my experience) and it runs like crap on all kinds of hardware. I know BI was thinking ahead to more powerful hardware when they made this but what concerns me is that OFP ran like crap when it was released and still runs like crap 5 years later. I hope ArmA doesn&#39;t end up the same.

Having said all that, I still think the game has potential. I like it and hope to see it improved in the future.

As for the grass, it seems like they&#39;re damned either way. Nobody wants barren ground, but it&#39;s hard to come up with a decent grass system. It sucks in its current state so I&#39;m glad to see people working on it in ANY way. At the very least the grass needs to be shortened.

[DVD]

Good job OFman, i like the Addon.
20-30 frames more is a good exchange for the useless grass. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Lt.Chris]

nice job

now i dont have to worry about going phone and seeing hardly anything and shooting randomly where the enemies were http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

[Berghoff]

Quote[/b] ]There isn&#39;t much of a performance difference between low, normal and high (at least not in my experience) There very well should be.. especially with postprocessing and shadows


Quote[/b] ]but it&#39;s hard to come up with a decent grass system. Maybe the way rocks are placed in desert part of Island should be nice idea for grass too, only little bit more dense than that.

[MEDICUS]

Very nice&#33; Thx a lot for this one http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif

MfG Medicus

[russin]

Its just cosmetic, there is no grass tall enough in ArmA to hide you.

IMO the grass is a fancy graphical feature that makes the game lag for people who doesnt have dual core computers, wich alot of people who might want to play arma still doesnt have, myself included.

@<hidden>: If you dont want to use it, just dont download it&#33;


Anyways,
Good one  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif
i don&#39;t have duel core and i don&#39;t lag at all http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/welcome.gif

[ebns72]

While this is a very good idea and very useful for increasing performance, it is pretty sad on BIS&#39;s part when the community needs to release whole alternate islands just so they can disable grass http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/icon_rolleyes.gif

But I didn&#39;t think that the grass would be such a FPs killer&#33; Surprising.

[Dwarden]

i only wish i can SIMPLE reduce (more rnd spread and sometimes higher sometimes lower) grass density

then increase grass rendering range 3-5 times ...

now it need way too much editing ... it should be option / server enforcable ...

[Rg]

While this is a very good idea and very useful for increasing performance, it is pretty sad on BIS&#39;s part when the community needs to release whole alternate islands just so they can disable grass http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/icon_rolleyes.gif

But I didn&#39;t think that the grass would be such a FPs killer&#33; Surprising.
Well, if everyone had a choice to have it or not, it gives people without it more of an advantage online. Now, if they had a server side option that would be great, but people would still be bitching, because they will want it on or off. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif


I personally would love to see graphic options for grass, tree sway, HDR, ect... Then so many people with low end systems won&#39;t be left out in the cold. Then when they decide to upgrade they can really enjoy the beauty of ArmA, but like I said above, if these were single player options, they have to also be multiplayer server side options. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif

[eJay]

Online problem isn&#39;t a problem. just rename all MP missions with "saraNG" in the middle and if any mate want to join a server, he have to download NGSahrani/Rahmadi.

[Kroky]

I personally would prefer &#39;less grass&#39;
Just change a number in the config of sara.pbo http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
I lowered my grass with 70%, that way it still feels like ArmA (as opposed to the barren feel of OFP), but still get a nice FPS boost, and the grass isnt constantly in my face anymore when laying down http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

EDIT:
For those interested, look at this:

 clutterGrid = 3.110000;
 clutterDist = 27;
 noDetailDist = 20;
 fullDetailDist = 0.200000;
 minTreesInForestSquare = 2;
 minRocksInRockSquare = 1;

Everything should speak for itself, iirc &#39;clutter&#39; is the grass/little rocks
How did you manage to change the config for sara and it still works?

I unpbo&#39;ed sara.pbo with EliteNess 2.03 by Mikero opened the config.bin also in EliteNess edited the values, used EliteNess to Make pbo again and replaced sara.pbo with the modified one. But now Sahrani doesn&#39;t even appear in the Editor ingame.

So what tools did you use?

[Sickboy]

now that someone figured this out it will be abused..
If the anticheat is enabled, then there is no possibility to do so.
If the original island is replaced by this island... it will probably give a modified file message (altough not sure if they continued this in ArmA?)

[Rg]

Online problem isn&#39;t a problem. just rename all MP missions with "saraNG" in the middle and if any mate want to join a server, he have to download NGSahrani/Rahmadi.
I don&#39;t know if you were responding to me or just in general to others, but I wasn&#39;t refering to your addon and multiplayer, I was refering to BIS and if they included a no grass graphic option.

BTW, you haven&#39;t posted your system specs yet http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[NeMeSiS]

I personally would prefer &#39;less grass&#39;
Just change a number in the config of sara.pbo http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
I lowered my grass with 70%, that way it still feels like ArmA (as opposed to the barren feel of OFP), but still get a nice FPS boost, and the grass isnt constantly in my face anymore when laying down http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

EDIT:
For those interested, look at this:

 clutterGrid = 3.110000;
 clutterDist = 27;
 noDetailDist = 20;
 fullDetailDist = 0.200000;
 minTreesInForestSquare = 2;
 minRocksInRockSquare = 1;

Everything should speak for itself, iirc &#39;clutter&#39; is the grass/little rocks
How did you manage to change the config for sara and it still works?

I unpbo&#39;ed sara.pbo with EliteNess 2.03 by Mikero opened the config.bin also in EliteNess edited the values, used EliteNess to Make pbo again and replaced sara.pbo with the modified one. But now Sahrani doesn&#39;t even appear in the Editor ingame.

So what tools did you use?
Can&#39;t remember excactly, but AFAIK the latest version of Eliteness is 2.08 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[AUS_Twisted]

I guess most people never saw my posts a month ago about removing the grass, I even posted a pic in the screenshot thread showing a forest that looked more like a jungle with far bigger plants etc.

http://www.members.optushome.com.au/twisted....ter.jpg (http://www.members.optushome.com.au/twisted1/pics/Sahrani_Edited_Clutter.jpg)

Anyway it&#39;s good to see this released as a addon as to me it makes the game far more playable, especially for FPS and against the AI.

[teaser]

awesome, no grass, and to all of you people that say that this makes it look like OFP, no it doesnt, because it makes it more realistic, you see a bush, you know you have to rush there and take cover, or the enemy will see oyu, instead of, ill just lie down here, and im good. =D also. i have AMD 64 3800+ 1 gig of ram and 256meg video card, tell me how many fps will i get with running no grass island. please. also how many fps will i get if i run a 128 m video card on the same no grass island. thanks you people. just wanted to know how much no grass improves fps. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif

[Rommel]

Well for the moment I&#39;m done with visuals and I want to play the game to its greatest capacity till my new video card arrives. And this addon is really useful, in forests I am averaging about 2fps maybe 3.

Which is not good, lol.

With this addon, I can walk around Sahrani with playable FPS (15 maybe) because there is no grass, and when I go to prone it isnt an automatic 10 frame drop, it keeps the same, which I am really thankful for.

Great Work and these are the addons that get remembered. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[AUS_Twisted]

awesome, no grass, and to all of you people that say that this makes it look like OFP, no it doesnt, because it makes it more realistic, you see a bush, you know you have to rush there and take cover, or the enemy will see oyu, instead of, ill just lie down here, and im good. =D also. i have AMD 64 3800+ 1 gig of ram and 256meg video card, tell me how many fps will i get with running no grass island. please.  also how many fps will i get if i run a 128 m video card on the same no grass island. thanks you people. just wanted to know how much no grass improves fps.  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif
Did you even read the first post? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif

[rwillis]

It looks like in 1.03 thatyou&#39;ll be able to turn off the grass by lowering terrain detail to it&#39;s lowest setting. From the patch notes:


Quote[/b] ]5115 - New: Terrain Detail now controls grass detail as well (can be used to turn off the grass if you set terrain detail on very low) NOTE: in MP this is controlled by the server only

[MattXR]

It looks like in 1.03 thatyou&#39;ll be able to turn off the grass by lowering terrain detail to it&#39;s lowest setting. From the patch notes:


Quote[/b] ]5115 - New: Terrain Detail now controls grass detail as well (can be used to turn off the grass if you set terrain detail on very low) NOTE: in MP this is controlled by the server only
lol was just about to post the same thing.. looks like when we get the UK version/ and updates


Quote[/b] ]
New: Terrain Detail now controls grass detail as well (can be used to turn off the grass if you set terrain detail on very low) NOTE: in MP this is controlled by the server only

[van Nistelrooy]

Thank you &#33; That&#39;s what I ask since I have ArmA &#33;

[Rommel]

See. BIS do read the forums.

haha. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif

[Kroky]

I personally would prefer &#39;less grass&#39;
Just change a number in the config of sara.pbo http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
I lowered my grass with 70%, that way it still feels like ArmA (as opposed to the barren feel of OFP), but still get a nice FPS boost, and the grass isnt constantly in my face anymore when laying down http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

EDIT:
For those interested, look at this:

 clutterGrid = 3.110000;
 clutterDist = 27;
 noDetailDist = 20;
 fullDetailDist = 0.200000;
 minTreesInForestSquare = 2;
 minRocksInRockSquare = 1;

Everything should speak for itself, iirc &#39;clutter&#39; is the grass/little rocks
How did you manage to change the config for sara and it still works?

I unpbo&#39;ed sara.pbo with EliteNess 2.03 by Mikero opened the config.bin also in EliteNess edited the values, used EliteNess to Make pbo again and replaced sara.pbo with the modified one. But now Sahrani doesn&#39;t even appear in the Editor ingame.

So what tools did you use?
Can&#39;t remember excactly, but AFAIK the latest version of Eliteness is 2.08 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Ok got it to work&#33;

First thanks for the hint for Eliteness 2.08.

Then for those interested how it works. You have to open sara.pbo i.e. with Eliteness, then DERAPIFY config.bin, change the correspondent values and then rapify again the config. And finally use the button make pbo in Eliteness for the sara folder.

Don&#39;t forget to make backups&#33;

It&#39;s funny people are releasing Islands without grass and I found in this topic information how actually to improve and add grass to sara&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Now the grass clumps show up 150m before me and the transition between the barren ground and the grassy ground is more realistic. I didn&#39;t change the values for density but I changede the value of full detail distance from 5 to 10 m.
So, this game is really scalable, you just have to find the lines&#33;

[4 IN 1]

i cant get eliteness 2.08 to work

keep getting [ memory can not be "read" ] error http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

[Kroky]

i cant get eliteness 2.08 to work

keep getting [ memory can not be "read" ] error http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
1. Did you read the readme?

2. Did you really read the readme? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

3. Did you install the .dll file correctly?

[4 IN 1]

i cant get eliteness 2.08 to work

keep getting [ memory can not be "read" ] error http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
1. Did you read the readme?

2. Did you really read the readme? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

3. Did you install the .dll file correctly?
1. yes

2. yes

3. yes


point is i sometime got this kind of CTD when playing online

but that would be a bit OT

is it possible to only DL the config.bin and do the repack ourself?(or is it allowed) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif

[oldy41]

I also can&#39;t get Eliteness 2.08 to run. Tried it on several of my machines, and it always crashes.
Might be related to the version of some DLLs it depends on like msvcrt or MFC...

Anyway, is there another PBO packer working correctly for ArmA available at the moment?

Thanks
Oldy

[oldy41]

Also, cpp2bin 1.2 from amalfi does not work on the config.cpp I get from unrap. It states an error with class DefaultLighting.

What am i doing wrong?
Thanks
Oldy

[stisoas]

simply delete config.bin , and let the cpp.

cpp alone is enough.

[PutiNix77]

Great work&#33; is it possible to get that only as desert island?

Need it for desert scenario&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Thanks forward&#33;

MfG
PutiNix77

[kayz]

Depbo SARA.pbo and edit config bin to change &#39;Less
grass&#39;  and &#39;Less tall&#39; grass

class CfgWorlds
{
class DefaultClutter
{
 scaleMin = 0.700000;
 scaleMax = 0.900000;

and this

 class Lighting: DefaultLighting{};
 clutterGrid = 1.500000;
 clutterDist = 50;
 noDetailDist = 35;
 fullDetailDist = 4;
 minTreesInForestSquare = 2.500000;
 minRocksInRockSquare = 1.500000;
 class clutter
 {
  class GrassGeneral: DefaultClutter
  {
   model = "ca&#92;plants&#92;clutter_grass_general.p3d";
   affectedByWind = 0.300000;
   swLighting = 1;
   scaleMin = 0.350000;
   scaleMax = 0.500000;
  };
  class GrassFlowers: GrassGeneral
  {
   model = "ca&#92;plants&#92;clutter_grass_flowers.p3d";
  };
  class GrassLong: GrassGeneral
  {
   model = "ca&#92;plants&#92;clutter_grass_long.p3d";
   affectedByWind = 0.600000;
   scaleMin = 0.300000;
   scaleMax = 0.550000;
  };
  class GrassSevenbeauty: GrassGeneral
  {
   model = "ca&#92;plants&#92;clutter_grass_sevenbaeuty.p3d";
   affectedByWind = 0.100000;
   scaleMin = 0.300000;
   scaleMax = 0.550000;
  };
  class GrassYellow: GrassGeneral
  {
   model = "ca&#92;plants&#92;clutter_grass_yellow.p3d";
   affectedByWind = 0.100000;
   scaleMin = 0.350000;
   scaleMax = 0.550000;
  };
  class GrassDesert: GrassGeneral
  {
   model = "ca&#92;plants&#92;clutter_grass_desert.p3d";
  };
  class ForestFern: GrassGeneral
  {
   model = "ca&#92;plants&#92;clutter_forest_fern.p3d";
   affectedByWind = 0.100000;
   scaleMin = 0.450000;
   scaleMax = 0.550000;
  };


sorry that i&#39;m lazy to attach image. but after i change this the grass became half tall. so grass won&#39;t block view anymore.

Hope can help

Sorry for my english http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[GermanPower]

doesnt it work anymore?

[redface]

can someone provide a nograss island based on the updated 1.04 release

[Yeb]

1.04 already includes no-grass island: set terrain detail to very low.

[d3dsh33p]

Quote[/b] ]
New: Terrain Detail now controls grass detail as well (can be used to turn off the grass if you set terrain detail on very low) NOTE: in MP this is controlled by the server only
please explain a bit more so i can set this server side, I&#39;ve seen it on other servers

[[21stSAS] Major]

sorry, ive been reading this thread and ive seen a few doubts over which servers and modes it will work in, and because im too lazy to actually read, could somebody please give me a quick idea.
Does it work on Multiplayer on all modes?
Does it work on Singlplayer?
Will i be kicked for having it on some Multiplayer servers?

An update would be greatly appreciated. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/help.gif

Ok, ive just realised that u can have no grass offline by selecting very low terrain detail. but that still doesnt work online and wat exactly does this mod do and how do i get it to work online&#33;? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/banghead.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/help.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/banghead.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/help.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/banghead.gif

[MattXR]

Oki Its the missions that set the terrian detail in MP.

[[21stSAS] Major]

ok ty, but the thing is. ive figured out how to extract the PBO which is a start. then wen i host a server i get Sahrani, Sahrani no grass etc. wen i click on it it goes straight into the editor, is ther a way of getting ur missions on ther so u can host em no grass. and if its the missions which set the terrain detail in MP, then why cant i host my own with my own Very Low Graphics settings? forgive me, but i thought this mod would just get rid of grass. but it seems it just does it wen u make yer own missions?

[MattXR]

Thats because its an addon, to play missions with this island the missions must have been made on this island, but theres not much really any point in using this as you can go into your options and turn the grass off and in MP its up to the mission designer to have the grass what he likes.

[[21stSAS] Major]

ok ty for making it clear. it doesnt say that in the read me tho does it&#33;? false advertising i say&#33;
And also if u can turn of the grass with very low detail then i see little point in having the mod in the first place.

Also very off topic but u know there are skins for the A-10 tank buster and Hind Gunship, well are they just single player missions? i take it you cant use that online

[eJay]

Major @<hidden> May 08 2007,10:15)]ok ty for making it clear. it doesnt say that in the read me tho does it&#33;? false advertising i say&#33;
And also if u can turn of the grass with very low detail then i see little point in having the mod in the first place.
Note that this addon was released a 2-3 month before BIS did patch with low terrain details. So, I can write that BIS copy OFman work to boost ArmA performance http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[SS9]

can this be made a mod?
say, name it sara.pbo and put it in a folder called "nograss"
then use a start parameter.
would this be correct?
EDIT: why don&#39;t i see these islands in the editor?

[iggywhite]

A little off topic:

Can someone please give me the run down on how to turn off grass in MP as the server host?