Private Military Contractors?

[Eddie16AAB]

just an idea,

has anyone considered making some skins of private military contractors, such as Paul Bremers security detail, Blackwater contractors, DynCorp, AEGIS, Erinys and others as i think they would be a very interesting addition to the already fantastic skins in ArmA already.

If people are planning on making an iraq mod for ArmA then Private Military Contractors are essential.

just wondering what you guys think

[Connors]

It would be pretty much impossible until modding tools are released, wouldn't it?

[DM]

Check the Addons & Mods: Discussion board.

There are several re-skins for PMC's already available/in progress.
There are also several PMC projects in planning/prep http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/xmas_o.gif

[Eddie16AAB]

thanks DeadMeat http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Sniperwolf572]

Moving to ArmA: A&M:D

[Helping_Hand]

peanut is working on some as is the UC team which im part of

[Marcus-Ergalla]

I've got the PMCs of Sgt. Eversmann whos currently working on them. They haven't been released up to now but they're great ones... So there are already some in work http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

http://ofp.4players.de/cms/images/contentbilder/SgtEvers_PMCsunrl01small.jpg http://ofp.4players.de/cms/images/contentbilder/SgtEvers_PMCsunrl02small.jpg
http://ofp.4players.de/cms/images/contentbilder/SgtEvers_PMCsunrl03small.jpg http://ofp.4players.de/cms/images/contentbilder/SgtEvers_PMCsunrl04small.jpg

Pictures by BIS.4Players (http://bis.4players.de)

[Ironsight]

Too bad none of the (many) WIP contractors look like the real thing.

[Eddie16AAB]

Marcus, those skins look pretty good, but are there any that dont look like fisherman? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif, only kidding mate, but seriously, id like to see some Blackwater contractors, with 5.11 pants and Eagle plate carriers and the like

Too bad none of the (many) WIP contractors look like the real thing.
The real thing?

They pretty much look like the real thing imo. Obviously there is no official uniform so how can PMCs from different organizations look like the real thing.
I think its great there will be a variety which makes them the real thing. The stereotypical PMC has some body armor and some tattoos and some fancy sunglasses.
What we need is BA barracus and the Ateam with their black van. Then you got he REAL deal

[Ironsight]

Too bad none of the (many) WIP contractors look like the real thing.
The real thing?

They pretty much look like the real thing imo. Obviously there is no official uniform so how can PMCs from different organizations look like the real thing.
I think its great there will be a variety which makes them the real thing. The stereotypical PMC has some body armor and some tattoos and some fancy sunglasses.
What we need is BA barracus and the Ateam with their black van. Then you got he REAL deal
Take a look at the ones in progress now and take a look at the real thing. The difference is obviously spotted.

Eddie16AAB hit the nail on the head.

Off course we need the tools to make more realistic looking contractors too, but I think with retexturing we can also come to a good result.

[Eddie16AAB]

something along the lines of this would be more appropriate for modern iraq

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d146/BritishGuy/abb.jpg

[Marines]

Too bad none of the (many) WIP contractors look like the real thing.
The real thing?

They pretty much look like the real thing imo. Obviously there is no official uniform so how can PMCs from different organizations look like the real thing.
I think its great there will be a variety which makes them the real thing. The stereotypical PMC has some body armor and some tattoos and some fancy sunglasses.

No we don't.

[Marines]

something along the lines of this would be more appropriate for modern iraq

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d146/BritishGuy/abb.jpg
May I ask where you procured that photograph?

[Seraph]

I'm sure it's from this site: Military Photos (http://www.militaryphotos.net/)

Not one of this guys is interested to "play" in his free time war.

[Marines]

I'm sure it's from this site: Military Photos (http://www.militaryphotos.net/)

Not one of this guys is interested to "play" in his free time war.
I asked because I was unsure if it came from the web, or from his personal collection, possibly a friend of his. If it came from the web then that's certainly okay. However, if it came from his personal collection and is a friend of his, then the faces need to be blocked out. My current job is that of a PMC, and insurgent CI is excellent at perusing the internet for details concerning many facets of operations here in Iraq.

But this has already been resolved via PM.

[Peanut]

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/917/testgt1.jpg

How is that? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
It's just a five minute recoloration though.
Anyway I'm very open to suggestions of all kinds but please post in my thread if you have any. Even if they're of the "They look like donkey"-type.

Different vests would be nice of course but at the moment thats not possible. I don't know if I'll ever add them when the tools get released since I never ever did some 3d modeling. I never textured before either, but that's another chapter.

Btw.I actually have some pics of 5.11 pants, shirts and whatever already I'm pretty aware that they're being used.

[Marines]

Nice! Looks more accurate than the others.

Unfortunately, we don't wear unconfigurable flak jackets like those. I understand that's the best you can do give the lack of tools, however, I thought the Sahrani forces had a unit that included just a LBV?

[Peanut]

That would be this dude.
Don't mind the baby blue shirt or the colors of the other stuff. That's all subject to change http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif (The shirt is actually pretty cool in reality, I wear it right now http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif )
He wears body armor and an LBV on top of that.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3467/test2sc7.jpg

If you like you can drop by my topic
Link (http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard311/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=69;t=56300)
It includes a couple more pics and will be updated after the christmas holidays (maybe earlier)

[Marines]

Excellent work! It does look better than the PMC WIPs posted by others.

EDIT:

I was incorrect. The Especas OPFOR unit has a low-rigged green LBV by default. That might be a better choice given the limitations affecting ArmA at present.

[Snake Man]

There are several re-skins for PMC's already available/in progress.
There are also several PMC projects in planning/prep http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/xmas_o.gif
Yes we have lot of work planned for ArmA.

[Sniperwolf572]

Marines, please don't quote images.

[Ironsight]

My current job is that of a PMC, and insurgent CI is excellent at perusing the internet for details concerning many facets of operations here in Iraq.
Got credentials? A lot of people here like to dress up.

PM me if you want.

[Helping_Hand]

The thing is about PMCs or mercenaries is that they are not restricted to what they can wear, or what they can arm themselves with...

So all of the addons we see before use be they WIP or finished are the authors best portrayal of them them not somebody elses.

In brief what im saying unless you see someone making a specific thing like blackwater or AEGIS operators they are most likely what the author deems to bea PMC or merc'.

@<hidden> The latest dude with the recolour looks rather good.

Regards HH http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Eddie16AAB]

its procured from militaryphotos.net and i got a friend of mine to upload it onto his photobucket

also, those operators look great guys, nice work, hopefully ill be able to make a couple of skins for blackwater aviation guys and the little birds that they use, should be interesting with twin SAWS attached http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Marine, intrigued by the fact that you are a PMC, would it be possible for you to tell us what kind of gear you wear yourself?

[Kirby]

My clan/squad/whateveryouwanttocallit is based on a Private Military Company. So we&#39;ll definatly be using some of these units when we switch over to ArmA http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

something along the lines of this would be more appropriate for modern iraq

Img removed
yeah these are the generic pmcs I was talking about, some fancy sunglasses and tattoos. Its kind of sad how many mercenaries are appearing in Iraq with no control. Im glad they are there to help things along, but should be subject to iraqi law.

So far all the PMCs look cool from whats been done... Just wondering why they are all white?

[Marines]

@<hidden> Ironsite

PM sent as requested.

@<hidden> Eddie

Gear wise? Well, the items I was issued were rather sub-par in my opinion. As with most the guys in this position, I&#39;ve purchased a lot of my own gear. I refuse to wear a military issue/style Point Blank fragmentation vest. It retains far too much body heat and restricts movement quite a bit. I wear a FAPC vest with a front and rear ballistic plate. My LBV I purchased which is a RACK vest. It&#39;s a nice piece of gear simply because it&#39;s configurable to whatever the mission requires. My boots are my old Marine Corps issue ones. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Did you have any specific questions?

FYI Eddie - Blackwater does not use the military "Little Bird" (H-6 and variants). The operate the civilian MD-500.

[Rhodite]

djfrogstar Dont quote images please

Thanks http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/xmas_o.gif

[Clavicula_nox4817]

Everytime I see, "PMCS" I think of Preventive Maitenance Checks and Services. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

[Peanut]

So far all the PMCs look cool from whats been done... Just wondering why they are all white?
Because I took the pics at pretty random places. They just happened to be white. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

I had a couple ideas last night and try to incorporate them.
Although the last time I had a nice idea it turned up rather ugly ingame. I tried to do a SORD Hardface jacket but it looked like #### ingame
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Marines]

So far all the PMCs look cool from whats been done... Just wondering why they are all white?
Because I took the pics at pretty random places. They just happened to be white. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

I had a couple ideas last night and try to incorporate them.
Although the last time I had a nice idea it turned up rather ugly ingame. I tried to do a SORD Hardface jacket but it looked like #### ingame
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Is it possible to incorporate the Especas LBV without the flak jacket?

[Eddie16AAB]

@<hidden> Ironsite

PM sent as requested.

@<hidden> Eddie

Gear wise? Well, the items I was issued were rather sub-par in my opinion. As with most the guys in this position, I&#39;ve purchased a lot of my own gear. I refuse to wear a military issue/style Point Blank fragmentation vest. It retains far too much body heat and restricts movement quite a bit. I wear a FAPC vest with a front and rear ballistic plate. My LBV I purchased which is a RACK vest. It&#39;s a nice piece of gear simply because it&#39;s configurable to whatever the mission requires. My boots are my old Marine Corps issue ones. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Did you have any specific questions?

FYI Eddie - Blackwater does not use the military "Little Bird" (H-6 and variants). The operate the civilian MD-500.
i agree about the point blank vests, as a PMC yourself i suppose you have alot more freedom with what you want to wear which is going to be a bonus in my opinion,

the RACK is a suprising choice, then again, im pretty stereotypical when it comes to PMC, i thought you guys all wore Eagle Plate Carriers and wore Oakley shades http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

gear wise, i wouldnt mind knowing what other items you wear, thigh holster?, serpa, safariland?, headwear?, mich?, IBH?, Protech?, and of course, which clothing do you prefer to wear, Under Armour?, 5.11?, Crye?, having someone like yourself to ask these questions is an honour and im behind what you guys do all the way http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

issue boots are great, i wear a pair of British issue desert boots for hiking and such.

as for the little bird, thanks for that, will have to look into making a reskin for that http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

also, which contracting company do you belong to?, if you want you can PM me the answer if you dont want to publically announce it.

thanks in advance,
Eddie

[Marines]

@<hidden> Ironsite

PM sent as requested.

@<hidden> Eddie

Gear wise? Well, the items I was issued were rather sub-par in my opinion. As with most the guys in this position, I&#39;ve purchased a lot of my own gear. I refuse to wear a military issue/style Point Blank fragmentation vest. It retains far too much body heat and restricts movement quite a bit. I wear a FAPC vest with a front and rear ballistic plate. My LBV I purchased which is a RACK vest. It&#39;s a nice piece of gear simply because it&#39;s configurable to whatever the mission requires. My boots are my old Marine Corps issue ones. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Did you have any specific questions?

FYI Eddie - Blackwater does not use the military "Little Bird" (H-6 and variants). The operate the civilian MD-500.
i agree about the point blank vests, as a PMC yourself i suppose you have alot more freedom with what you want to wear which is going to be a bonus in my opinion,

the RACK is a suprising choice, then again, im pretty stereotypical when it comes to PMC, i thought you guys all wore Eagle Plate Carriers and wore Oakley shades http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

gear wise, i wouldnt mind knowing what other items you wear, thigh holster?, serpa, safariland?, headwear?, mich?, IBH?, Protech?, and of course, which clothing do you prefer to wear, Under Armour?, 5.11?, Crye?, having someone like yourself to ask these questions is an honour and im behind what you guys do all the way  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

issue boots are great, i wear a pair of British issue desert boots for hiking and such.

as for the little bird, thanks for that, will have to look into making a reskin for that http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

also, which contracting company do you belong to?, if you want you can PM me the answer if you dont want to publically announce it.

thanks in advance,
Eddie
I work for DynCorp.

The RACK system is a better choice for me. You can configure the vest any way you want. Besides, it&#39;s a hell of a lot better than what I was issued. Which was a desert tan &#036;50 piece of garbage from Airsplat&#33; Yeah...I&#39;m serious.

The hip holster is a good question. It&#39;s black, has two Fastex buckles, hurts my waist, and is constantly pulling my pants down. Yes, it was issued and it&#39;s crap. I should probably pick one up while I&#39;m home now that I think about it.

I would like to make a suggestion to everyone that is making these PMC addons. Please oh please don&#39;t use Blackwater as an example. They are widely regarded as a joke, not to mention a bunch of cowboys.

[Eddie16AAB]

DynCorp, interesting.

i agree with Blackwater being a joke as of fall 2006 they had 9 lawsuits against them and havent met the requirements for their contracts on a number of criteria.

The issue stuff is always going to be poor, have you decided on which holster you are intending on buying as i know a fair few places that you can get some comfortable and useable holsters for very little

[Marines]

I think the discussion should stay on par with the addon elements for ArmA. If you would like questions answered, please PM me.

Lets leave this element where it needs to be. This is a topic about PMC addons.

EDIT:

Shameless plug. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Many of these aspects can be read in my new book.

[Adumb]

I like to dress up and play PMC in airsoft too...where do you play

[Marines]

I like to dress up and play PMC in airsoft too...where do you play
The only difference is I&#39;m the real thing...ass&#33;

Not like it&#39;s a hard deal to break into to begin with....

Prior Marine Corps artillery. Echo Battery 2nd BN 10th Marines to be exact. Left active duty in Oct. &#39;03, and entered the reserves the same year. Spent the better part of my time in Iraq as a provisional rifleman. Left the reserves in late &#39;05. Signed on with DynCorp as a member of their poppy eradication program in mid &#39;06, and have since become a TL in Iraq as a PSS.

I like to dress up and play PMC in airsoft too...where do you play
The only difference is I&#39;m the real thing...ass&#33;
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/icon_rolleyes.gif

I made a killing off a PMC company back in the day. When i sold my URL to them. LOL&#33;

[Hund]

I&#39;d rename that book if I were you Marines.

Jim Ashcroft beat you to the punch already, mate. Same title, same topic.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Making-....2273119 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Making-Killing-Explosive-Story-Hired/dp/1852273119)

But hey, there are lots of catchy titles out there, no worries, right?

The (original) book is quite good by the way. I happened upon it while watching a documentary on the same subject, called "Shadow Company" (also worth a look despite the campy title").

EDIT:

By the way, how&#39;s work coming along Peanut? I&#39;m getting antsy here, mate  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Marines]

I think the discussion should remain on topic. Any further question directed at me should be via PM.

I didn&#39;t choose the books title, mate. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/Marines0811/img006.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/Marines0811/img002.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/Marines0811/img004.jpg

[Kirby]

I might actualy read that book... Get a bit more insight on how to make my clan more realisticly run http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
DynCorp is the company my clans name is based on http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

Anyway, back to ArmA... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

[Hund]

I didn&#39;t choose the books title, mate. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Guess you&#39;re covered then, lawsuit-wise.

Anyways, player models seem to be pretty tight at this point. The thing that really goats me is the cars in ArmA. Right now I&#39;m using a hatchback/sedan kinda deal as the pilot car and an off-roader as the heavier security car. Not the ideal solution by any means, but it&#39;ll have to do for now.

The trouble I&#39;ve found with the available vehicles are mainly that they are rather underpowered for the job, have no reverse gears to speak of and most importantly no good seating arrangements.

On top of this it is impossible to engage a contact from within the vehicle, which effectively means that you have to step out of the only piece of cover you have, crappy as it may be, if you want to place some fire on the bad guys.

I know Scratch Modworks have something in the oven, so I&#39;ve put in my opinion about the subject.

[Marines]

@<hidden> Peanut & Eddie

Whats the possibility of importing one of the civilian MD-500s from OFP?

[Eddie16AAB]

well, suppose the possiblity is there, will have to look into it further, although a total reskin of the military model would be the easiest, wouldnt take long to do

[Marines]

well, suppose the possiblity is there, will have to look into it further, although a total reskin of the military model would be the easiest, wouldnt take long to do
The only problem with that is that the exterior seating skids will still be visable.

Here is the difference between the two birds in question.

http://www.meekeraviation.com/images/md500_dual_side_mount_front_view.jpg

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/interactive/us.aircraft/special.operations/gallery.mh-6.jpg

[Eddie16AAB]

mmmmm, not sure really, might have to make a complete different model altogether, give me a couple of hours and ill look into it a little bit more

[Peanut]

@<hidden> Peanut & Eddie

Whats the possibility of importing one of the civilian MD-500s from OFP?
From what I&#39;ve read it&#39;s possible to import OFP models when you have the MLOD (?) format of them.
So you gotta write the original author to get it. And then rework some lods or something.
But I&#39;ve never tried to model (okay, I tried and failed)

I&#39;m working on reskinnning the MH-6 model so they have some air transportation. I don&#39;t have it ingame yet because I as of now I mainly removed the markings and recolered it in blue. Also there are issues with my config for it. It will mainly act as a place holder.

[Marines]

Do what you have to do.

Certainly something is better than nothing.

[WarriorEagle]

when these bad boys coming out, I can&#39;t wait http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/pistols.gif

[Helping_Hand]

this is just discussion i think ??

Our UCS ones will be out sometime next year...
but i dont know about peanut&#39;s

[Helping_Hand]

This is just discussion i think ??

Our UCS ones will be out sometime next year...
but i dont know about peanut&#39;s

Regards HH http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[StraubOORAH]

I was wondering if you are looking to work for a private contractor how would you go about that. I heard they were taking applicants from 3rd world countrys to work for cheaper. I'm willing to work for less, just to get the chance to work.

[Foxhound]

@<hidden>
Why do you feel the need to make your first post on these forums by digging up a nearly 5 year old topic?



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