Anyone notice in Bin-Laden's last "message"... [Archive]

Rogue2020

Jan 28 2002, 10:37

Well I don't know anything about it because I never saw it but allot think it's fake and hearing what he said I know it's fake...what piss's me off is the US government is brainwashing civilians to hate bin laden and the taliban more and people buy into the shit....no one can respect what honorable people they are...

but I WILL NOT get into a discussion on bin laden or the taliban because the human mentality is so bad with this whole situation it would please me very much to put a fucking bullet in my head.....and I hope no one takes that the wrong way...I mean the way americans and everyone else thinks about it all and the way they act...it fuckin sickens me.....but oh yeah I forgot no one can see the mentality like me....

Placebo

Jan 28 2002, 10:52

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rogue2020 @<hidden> Jan. 28 2002,11:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what piss's me off is the US government is brainwashing civilians to hate bin laden and the taliban more and people buy into the shit....no one can respect what honorable people they are...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I guess it's a good job I hated the Taliban well before Sept 11th then isn't it, I would so hate to be brainwashed http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Honourable people? Yes of course, executing women for adultery is honourable, banning music, banning any form of personal joy or expression is very honourable.

christophercles

Jan 28 2002, 11:54

Yes, i love how honourable they are when they put unmarried woman into large pits and they bulldoze boulders into the pits because the are unmarried, they are just soooo, honourable.

Longinius

Jan 28 2002, 12:19

Yeah, I am sure they did that just because they were unmarried. It makes perfect sense and does not at all seem like a load of hogwash.

Akira

Jan 28 2002, 14:43

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Well I know that they have had public stonings of women for not wearing the required dress. Doesn't seem very "honorable" to me.

And everyone remember that Rogue2020 is the one that said the moon landings were faked, and failed to have an intelligent conversation about it...well partly...started getting "irritable" at one point.

Stag

Jan 28 2002, 15:11

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I think he means unmarried mothers.

Longinius

Jan 28 2002, 16:12

Unmarried mothers would make sense, seeing as how the Taliban think. I doubt however they would do it to women just for being unmarried, since they wouldnt get to see many baby talibans that way.

Placebo

Jan 28 2002, 16:25

If you want a good idea of what the Taliban are/were like, watch the documentary "Beneath the veil" it was made by a woman who's father is from Afghanistan and she went back to see what her father's homeland was like.

The docu is pre-Sept 11th so no accusations of bias or brainwashing or anything like that can be thrown at it http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Pete

Jan 28 2002, 18:27

about the video being faked or not...

what is funny, is that the video where bin confessed of being the mastermind for the operation, the one with really bad quality and all, mr bush & co said it is real and who thinks other wise is a terrorist (not exactly, but almost)...this video came from american sources.

and this new video where bin says that the bad quality video i just mentioned is a fake made by usa, this new video is of good quality and comes from arab sources, this mr. bush & co claimed to be fake at first, becouse they had said that bin already was dead a few days earlier.

both sides play with propaganda, american side is no more trustworthy than the taliban/arab side.

i also knew and hated the talibans before the 9-11, mainly for there strict islamic rule, oppression of women and the destruction of ancient statues......this might not have happened had usa not aided the mujahedins..but its easier to see with hindsight.

but its hard to think that it could have been any worse...im happy that the talibans are gone, but im not happy that the NA took there place.

Red Oct

Jan 28 2002, 22:19

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">about the video being faked or not...

what is funny, is that the video where bin confessed of being the mastermind for the operation, the one with really bad quality and all, mr bush & co said it is real and who thinks other wise is a terrorist (not exactly, but almost)...this video came from american sources.

and this new video where bin says that the bad quality video i just mentioned is a fake made by usa, this new video is of good quality and comes from arab sources, this mr. bush & co claimed to be fake at first, becouse they had said that bin already was dead a few days earlier.

both sides play with propaganda, american side is no more trustworthy than the taliban/arab side.

i also knew and hated the talibans before the 9-11, mainly for there strict islamic rule, oppression of women and the destruction of ancient statues......this might not have happened had usa not aided the mujahedins..but its easier to see with hindsight.

but its hard to think that it could have been any worse...im happy that the talibans are gone, but im not happy that the NA took there place.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
well the land rightfully belongs to the NA, who would you rather have to take the rule over that country?
the new president seems to be doing something ok, the country may not be perfect now, but im sure it will become a cake walk (at least close to one) once they get the funds they will need

Wobble

Jan 28 2002, 23:20

Unmarried mothers would make sense, seeing as how the Taliban think. I doubt however they would do it to women just for being unmarried, since they wouldnt get to see many baby talibans that way.

under Taleban women can be executed for:

1: being raped.. yes if they get raped they are kill by the gov (mercy killing)

2: going to school

3: teaching

4: not covering their face.

5: being pregnant out of marrage

very very honerable people they are yes.. wonderful..

as for the video being faked? why bother? why take the risk? why wouth the US go through the trouble of faking a video of Bin-Laden admitting guilt.. everyone already knows he did it.. noone from them UN or any other ally is contesting the fact that the was responsable..

what is funny, is that the video where bin confessed of being the mastermind for the operation, the one with really bad quality and all

and as we all know, all grainy videos are fake.. even if they were taken in a war zone..

this video came from american sources. it was given to the arab news network (al jazeera(sp) like the rest... it had no"source" different from others.. unless you are just speculating.

and this new video where bin says that the bad quality video i just mentioned is a fake made by usa

of coruse.. everyone knows the US is incapable of producing clear video.. and why shouldent we truct Bin-Laden's word over that of the US and NATO.. after all he is a clear thinking honest guy

american side is no more trustworthy than the taliban/arab side.

ahh yes, as history has proven the arab nations..ESPECIALLY the taleban are very honest ttrusworthy people.. sheesh, its not like they are terrorists or antyhing

but im not happy that the NA took there place

since when has the NA taken anyone's place.. ole whats his name (former kind) is in power now.. the NA agreed months ago to NOT take control of the country.

Placebo

Jan 28 2002, 23:54

And not forgetting the best one of all, this was from the mouth of the minister for upholding of virtue and investigating vice (or some such thing, can't remember the proper title, basically they're the morality police)

Interviewer: If one of your people decide they no longer want to be a Muslim, what do you do?

Mullah: We kill them.

Yup completely honourable those Taliban................

Rogue2020

Jan 29 2002, 04:30

What I was fucking talking about was that they are people willing to die for what they believe in...they are not weak....

As for the rest I don't give a fuck..human life has no meaning of any kind to me...killing someone is like shooting a stuffed animal.....

And plus is it any of your or the US's business what they do?...no...you have no right to judge what is right and wrong..... http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

I'm not going to go on discussing this shit though because I'm not coming to this board to talk about the world....this is a gaming forum.....

second_draw

Jan 29 2002, 05:20

I'm still going for the pupperteer idea.

I would like to see his face be rotten in the next video unless "they" did it all in one session

Longinius

Jan 29 2002, 05:26

"and as we all know, all grainy videos are fake.. even if they were taken in a war zone.."

No, but when other videos from that warzone was of good quality, it seems a bit odd.

"it was given to the arab news network (al jazeera(sp) like the rest... it had no"source" different from others.. unless you are just speculating."

Media said it was found in a cave (the confession one). Since when is Al Jazeera based in Tora Bora?

"as for the video being faked? why bother? why take the risk? why wouth the US go through the trouble of faking a video of Bin-Laden admitting guilt.. everyone already knows he did it.. noone from them UN or any other ally is contesting the fact that the was responsable.."

Knowing is one thing. Proving is another. You might think you know he did it. But can you prove it?

"ahh yes, as history has proven the arab nations..ESPECIALLY the taleban are very honest ttrusworthy people.. sheesh, its not like they are terrorists or antyhing"

And history has proven America to always be trustworthy? Uhm, no. Governments lie. Organisations lie. Lies are common in conflict and politics. On a side not, is a terrorist untrusthworthy by default? More so than any other oppositionist? How so?

second_draw

Jan 29 2002, 05:30

And plus is it any of your or the US's business what they do?...no...you have no right to judge what is right and wrong.....

So we (speaking on "western" side's behalf) are just suppose let them murder their own population. This is a human life we are talking about, i don't what religion you in (or not), a human life is a precious thing. This is a very important note

I'm not going to go on discussing this shit though because I'm not coming to this board to talk about the world....this is a gaming forum

It is pathetic that ppl are whinging about politics on a forum about entertainment products. Leave the politics for the pollies

Assault (CAN)

Jan 29 2002, 06:17

I can't see how someone could fake a video, or why, was that Bin Laden's body double http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif give me a break. I doubt its some big conspiracy, some people watch too many movies.

Anyways, of course the "Bin Laden" video is of bad quality, it was recorded by a visitors home camera and left behind in an abandoned building for some time.

The other videos were set up for publicity purposes and they probably used better recording equipment. They were also shipped to media outlets as soon as they were recorded, they didn't sit around in the dust waiting for someone to find them. The "Bin Laden" video was some guy's home movie.

I also doubt that the U.S. blamed Bin Laden for the 9/11 atacks because they couldn't find the "real" person that did it. They have been investigating the guy for years for the attacks on the Army barracks in Saudi Arabia, the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Africa and for the attack on the U.S.S. Cole.

Tyler

Wobble

Jan 29 2002, 06:36

No, but when other videos from that warzone was of good quality, it seems a bit odd.

not considering the other videos were shot before the US and NATO started bombing the ever loving shit out of every place they though Bin-Laden could be... its kinda hard to set up a nice production quaity set when there are pilots blowing shit up all around you.

Media said it was found in a cave (the confession one). Since when is Al Jazeera based in Tora Bora?

first off it wastn a "confession", it was just him commenting on how he was plesentley suprised that the buildings fell and that he didnt expect that would happen, he ... he never confessed.. but by saying he never EXPECTED them to fall proved that he knew what was going to happen.. and was 'pleasentley suprised' when the buildings actually fell.

also he joked that many of the terrorists did not know what was going to happen to the... I.E. some of the hijackers didnt know the plane was going to be flown into a building.. hence HE knew that...

CNN aired the film.. have any of you who think its fake seen it.. I dont know about you but I think it would be VERY hard to fake him moving around and talking to people like that...

(the so called "confession" film is NOT the one this thread is about)

Knowing is one thing. Proving is another. You might think you know he did it. But can you prove it?

Well if everyone knows it.. doesent that make it an accepted fact.. noone is diputing it (save a few dummies here).. .. its so OBVIOUS he was behind it proving it would not do anything more than make most people say "well.. DUH!"

is a terrorist untrusthworthy by default? More so than any other oppositionist? How so?

yes, because the very act of terrorism depends on lieing and sneaking you way into an area/country/building.. and then commiting your act.. so if a terrorist was honest he would never accomplish his mission.

What I was fucking talking about was that they are people willing to die for what they believe in...they are not weak....

they were fucking willing to fucking kill a bunch of fucking totally innocent man, women and children in a fucking cowardly act.. they are fucking pathetic cowards...

And plus is it any of your or the US's business what they do?

I dont know many US business who are in to killing innocent people because they belive something different than them.

I'm not going to go on discussing this shit though because I'm not coming to this board to talk about the world

Well moon landing boy then you must come here to make an ass out of yourself, for you sure do that.

Longinius

Jan 29 2002, 07:40

"Well if everyone knows it.. doesent that make it an accepted fact.. noone is diputing it (save a few dummies here).. .. its so OBVIOUS he was behind it proving it would not do anything more than make most people say "well.. DUH!""

No, it doesn't. For a long time everyone knew the earth was flat. Newsflash, it isn't. For a long time everyone knew God existed, lets just say that is still up for discussion. For a long time everyone knew OJ simpson killed his wife, he was found innocent. Knowing is not the same as proving. It is very different.

"yes, because the very act of terrorism depends on lieing and sneaking you way into an area/country/building.. and then commiting your act.. so if a terrorist was honest he would never accomplish his mission."

Wrong I'd say. Several so called terrorist attacks have been done in the open. And by that definition every covert organisations is untrustworthy. That is something I could go along with however. But I don't think terrorist are more untrustworthy to their opponents than regular armed forces or other combatants.

Pete

Jan 29 2002, 07:54

im not saying that the tape is a fake or not, only that i dont trust it 100%

CNN aired the film.. have any of you who think its fake seen it.. I dont know about you but I think it would be VERY hard to fake him moving around and talking to people like that...

back in the gulfwar american leaders (some, i dont remeber who) bragged over the new "media war" and that they could air faked videos of saddam drunk and eating pork......on iraqi television, if they wanted they could.

they did produce a clip of a woman crying and explaining how the cruel iraqi soldiers went into hospitals and threw out infants to the streets etc etc....cnn aired it, worldwide.

turned out (after the war) that this woman was not in kuwait, nor was she from kuwait, or ever been there....simply a fake video, for propaganda purposes

its war, and its legal...thats very normal and there has propably never been a war without propaganda, even the romans used propaganda....its as old as war itself.

but by now one would already expect to be fed lies from a goverment at war...if it is too good to be true, then it is.

that tape about bin perhaps was meant to convince arabs that he is quilty, perhaps it was mean for someone else to justify the war...perhaps it is real, what do i know?

nothing at all, neither do you.......but history is on my side, and history says that its most likely a lie.

we will never know i quess.

also, the talitubbies are bad, really really bad, and im happy they are gone....the na however was worse when they had the power, the talibans saved the nation from the na....considering how bad it was under taliban rule you can imagine how bad it was under na rule (they had a different name then i quess...but the same leaders)

if bin laden is hurt or dead?

i put it as rumsted (sp?) did

"we KNOW that bin laden is in afganistan, some other country...or dead."

Rogue2020

Jan 29 2002, 10:36

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can't see how someone could fake a video, or why, was that Bin Laden's body double http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif give me a break. I doubt its some big conspiracy, some people watch too many movies.

Anyways, of course the "Bin Laden" video is of bad quality, it was recorded by a visitors home camera and left behind in an abandoned building for some time.

The other videos were set up for publicity purposes and they probably used better recording equipment. They were also shipped to media outlets as soon as they were recorded, they didn't sit around in the dust waiting for someone to find them. The "Bin Laden" video was some guy's home movie.

I also doubt that the U.S. blamed Bin Laden for the 9/11 atacks because they couldn't find the "real" person that did it. They have been investigating the guy for years for the attacks on the Army barracks in Saudi Arabia, the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Africa and for the attack on the U.S.S. Cole.

Tyler[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
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I can't see how someone could fake a video, or why, was that Bin Laden's body double give me a break. I doubt its some big conspiracy, some people watch too many movies[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

And your using a computer right now?....I can't even imagine even the most primitive of people of this world making a statement like that..."how could you fake a video?"...do I even need to comment?

You must be blown away by movies like the matrix wondering how these actors are dogging bullets......

Rogue2020

Jan 29 2002, 10:46

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they were fucking willing to fucking kill a bunch of fucking totally innocent man, women and children in a fucking cowardly act.. they are fucking pathetic cowards[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

"shakes head in agony"...this is why I don't come to these topics...this is why I don't step foot outside my house for weeks at a time because the mentality is just to much to take......I'm not coming to this topic again because if I'm going to make it in this world without killing myself I need to block out the human race.....

WisdoM

Jan 30 2002, 11:32

awww Rouge, has the poor baby been pampered his whole life and cant handle the REALITY of life?http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif It's little whiney babies like you who piss me off. About how corrupt the world is and Fuck this and that. Your simple little mind cant handle the truths of life, and you lack any grain of intelligence in teh small little pea you call a brain. You're probably just some 14yr old rebel on his "fuck the world" speech, Reality needs to hit you cold hard in the face and show you how fucked you are. "Killing someone is nothing to me, its like shooting a stuffed animal" your one baddass d00, reading that crqcke d me up. Finish puberty and get out of the 8th grade, then go get a job and see what reall life is like....You apparently know nothing but what is perceived to be truth in that small brain of yours. Your a typical "everything form teh media is false" skeptical bastard. Oh well one day you'll see the turht, or your kill yourself, either one would be better fo rthe advancement of the world http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Rogue2020

Jan 31 2002, 02:46

I don't even know what I can say to something like that....I wish I mean I really wish you could fully understand what is going on with me because if you did...I don't even know what would happen......

I'm serious when I say I can't say anything to that...it's just to massive.....it's fucking sad...

But one thing I can comment on is you said that killing thing is funny....I wasn't trying to be bad ass I was trying to make someone understand my view....that I have no regard for human life....my best friends could die today and I wouldn't care....I mean I just can't see giving a fuck in any way...I mean who cares....people live people die...

Why am I bothering though?...I have never found anyone who seems like they can see anything....it's honestly like a world of drones.....

I am just going to block out anything else you said because I have to accept that you have no idea what your talking about.........

Renagade

Feb 6 2002, 19:53

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @<hidden> Jan. 28 2002,12:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what piss's me off is the US government is brainwashing civilians to hate bin laden and the taliban more and people buy into the shit....no one can respect what honorable people they are...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I guess it's a good job I hated the Taliban well before Sept 11th then isn't it, I would so hate to be brainwashed http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Honourable people? Yes of course, executing women for adultery is honourable, banning music, banning any form of personal joy or expression is very honourable.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
when in rome do as the romans do though i do like that nice feeling of having afghanistan in our back pocket due to dubious means http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

serfinaR

Aug 16 2011, 05:42

I don't know what is his last message but i wanted to know what it is. There are a lot of people who are happy about his dead but what i wanted is the bin laden film. Hollywood and the White House are in the middle of partisan bickering on Capitol Hill due to an upcoming movie about the raid that murdered Osama bin Laden. Oscar-winning director of “The Hurt Locker,” Kathryn Bigelow, is said to have been privy to inside details about the raid, which she and the White House denies happened. Here is the proof: White House denies sharing inside info for bin Laden film (http://www.newsytype.com/10013-bin-laden-film/)