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Placebo

Jul 19 2006, 10:51

FlashNews Armour Hit Competition (http://www.bistudio.com/presspages/FlashNews_100th_Edition_Competition.html)

All discussion about the competition should go here, it will remain open until the competition winner is announced.

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Hints/Tips

Some people are a little confused about how they should choose the target and things like that, so here are some hints:<ul> The full resolution image is available here, feel free to view/download that to have a close look to find good targets. You have an RPG launcher with three RPG's, obviously depending on which target you choose you might not have time to use all three. In real war you're not a solo hero so your actions will be supported by other squadmates, the chosen target should take into account the fact you will have squadmates around to benefit or assist you in your attack. You will want to try to escape after you attack, which direction and how far you feel you must escape is something you will have to decide based on your best judgement.[/list]
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Hornet85

Jul 19 2006, 10:57

Placebo can we that allready entered the competition change our stands now when we got a beter pic and more info?

Bekus with the high res pic my ideas wher al wrong but as my email allready is in the competition iam out!?

Placebo

Jul 19 2006, 11:06

Yep that's no problem, send an Email to me from the Email address you used to enter the competition with a note saying why you want to cancel your entry, please (if possible) include the time and date you made the entry you want to cancel.

Edit: Placebo@bistudio.com for anyone who doesn't know http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

lilwillie

Jul 19 2006, 11:11

EDIT because of post just before mine.

I've made mine, still feel comfortable with it even with the Hi res pic, although...from the link page.

Quote[/b] ]we asked him to choose the best position to attack any visible Southern Sahrani armour targets with an RPG launcher

is a little different than

Quote[/b] ]obviously depending on which target you choose you might not have time to use all three.

so my mind wanders, am I attacking something on the screen that is all ready visible? Am I waiting in ambush for something coming? Do I all ready see my target/targets or am I anticipating them? How does that effect my escape route? Even though some routes seem better, how do I know what is beyond the screen shot?

I love it http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

Placebo

Jul 19 2006, 11:18

am I attacking something on the screen that is all ready visible?
Yes http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Robert(UK)

Jul 19 2006, 11:45

And was the word 'armour' used to mean something precisely or generally? I am thinking that the trucks on the right aren't classed as armour, but then would the Southern Sahrani's be using that Abrams, or would that be an American crew?

txalin

Jul 19 2006, 11:57

think on the Occam's razor to find the target http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

kavoven

Jul 19 2006, 12:30

I'm wondering, if one RPG is enough for one tank. Or do you need, like in OFP, 3 to destroy one?

Lou Montana

Jul 19 2006, 12:38

FlashNews Armour Hit Competition (http://www.bistudio.com/presspages/FlashNews_100th_Edition_Competition.html)

Toute discussion ŕ propos de la compétition doit se faire dans ce thread, qui restera ouvert jusqu'ŕ l'annonce d'un gagnant.

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Trucs/Astuces

Certaines personnes sont perdues quand au choix de la cible et autres menus problčmes, voici quelques trucs :
<ul> L'image haute résolution est disponible ici, visualisez-la et téléchargez-la librement pour une vue plus précise pour choisir les bonnes cibles.
Vous avez un lanceur RPG et trois roquettes, en fonction de la cible choisie vous ne pourrez pas forcément les utiliser toutes.
Dans la vraie guerre vous n'ętes pas un héros en solo, vos actions sont soutenues par vos équipiers, la cible visée doit prendre en compte que vous avez des équipiers autour de vous pour vous aider durant l'assaut.
Vous voudrez vous échapper aprčs cette opération, dans quelle direction et ŕ quelle distance vous souhaitez aller sont des questions ŕ vous poser.[/list]
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Translation by Lou Montana, do not forget to quote me for copy-paste it on your website http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Traduction par Lou Montana, n'oubliez pas de me citer pour le copier-coller sur votre site http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

lilwillie

Jul 19 2006, 13:04

am I attacking something on the screen that is all ready visible?
Yes http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Like I said, I love it.

Your answer creates more questions http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

If it's visible, am I waiting in ambush for it to pass me? Am I already "eyes on target"?Am I trying to catch up to it as it has all ready passed? And I still have to worry about escaping.

Oh the insanity/joy/love of one picture. I'm still happy with my choice, so I post only to hopefully mess with everyone's minds as they go to choose, and maybe help someone choose. Good luck to everyone.

Hornet85

Jul 19 2006, 13:11

I'm wondering, if one RPG is enough for one tank. Or do you need, like in OFP, 3 to destroy one?
Dont know if i can write an anser to that in the open but if you realy want to know PM me.

Mr Burns

Jul 19 2006, 13:48

I'm wondering, if one RPG is enough for one tank. Or do you need, like in OFP, 3 to destroy one?
Dont know if i can write an anser to that in the open but if you realy want to know PM me.
Answer it in the open http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif
Guessing we´ve got the newset set of rpg´s for our launcher (and my guess being right) one lucky shot to either the engine or somewhere between the tracks would be enough to disable it.

I´m still happy with my choice too, had concerns of friendly fireing at first but they´re gone now, so bring up the results ...are we there yet http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

btw: My congratulaitons placebo! Wish you a happy life with the maam http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Hornet85

Jul 19 2006, 14:20

Destroying a tank and disable it isent the same thing.

You have to think abut every thing a modern tank turns its tower 360 in 9sec. Take out its engine and you stil have a killer on your hands.
And a tank never works alone you have to think abut his platoon boddys or the Close Force Protection.
It might sound easy but its not http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

Mr Burns

Jul 19 2006, 14:26

You´re right, it aint as easy as it sounds, taken everything into consideration there´s not that many places i´d chosen ...
hope that added something to the overall confusion.

And i´m still satisfied http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif

Sanctuary

Jul 19 2006, 14:47

The key is to think out of engine limitations, that's the biggest difficulty after all those years cursing them when setting AT ambushes in a mission (personnally, i would go for a top attack to make ground vehicles retaliation difficult, so maybe from some higher ground).

Are we allowed to call for air support and air strikes against the tanks ? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

kavoven

Jul 19 2006, 16:04

The key is to think out of engine limitations, that's the biggest difficulty after all those years cursing them when setting AT ambushes in a mission (personnally, i would go for a top attack to make ground vehicles retaliation difficult, so maybe from some higher ground).

Are we allowed to call for air support and air strikes against the tanks ? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Yes, as an good old OFP player, you would look for a higher position, because the AI wouldn't get you there. But I guess in this case, other tanks would surround you, if you climb on one of the buildings.

stainer

Jul 19 2006, 16:07

Do the convoy of trucks to the right of the picture count as "armour targets"?

Hornet85

Jul 19 2006, 16:09

No they are trucks http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif Urals by the look of it dont know abut you but i cant count them as armoured http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

Royal_Blackwatch

Jul 19 2006, 16:35

In real war you're not a solo hero so your actions will be supported by other squadmates, the chosen target should take into account the fact you will have squadmates around to benefit or assist you in your attack.

Hi Placebo

do we have to take this into account for our enemy too, esp concerning other units eg outside the screen?

thx
Royal

Sniperwolf572

Jul 19 2006, 18:22

Do Southern Sahrani forces have M1 Abrams at their disposal?

deanosbeano

Jul 19 2006, 18:29

is that soldieron the right of pic stood in the road , friend or foe ? i havent seen the soldiers so i dont know lol, or is that us taking the shot ? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif.

Placebo

Jul 19 2006, 18:30

Urals are most likely Northern Sahrani targets, so why would you attack your own forces? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif Not to mention the fact that trucks are "soft targets" http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Any "Western/USA" vehicle should be considered Southern Sahrani.

Royal_Blackwatch you should take into account that the target(s) you choose, and the way you attack, may set up further immediate successful attacks (of those same targets you attacked or other targets) for the rest of your side, how you decide that is up to you.

WhoCares

Jul 19 2006, 18:46

...
Dont know if i can write an answer to that in the open but if you really want to know PM me.
Would your answer be more detailed than this:
Abrams Tank Systems: Lessons Learned Operation Iraqi Freedom 2003 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2003/abrams-oif-lessonslearned2003.ppt)

More lessons learned can be found here (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/oif-lessons-learned.htm)

But a detailed discussion on this certainly does not belong into this thread.

Regarding the competition, I wonder whether I am allowed to wait a little or are we in the moment of ***pulling the trigger in this picture?

And are those soldiers (I count at least 5) in the picture OpFor or friendly?

Baddo

Jul 19 2006, 18:54

Hey WhoCares, I think you are in no hurry. Study every pixel carefully:

Quote[/b] ]Closing date for the competition is August 31st 2006.

but I made my entry alread http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

WhoCares

Jul 19 2006, 19:00

Hey WhoCares, I think you are in no hurry. Study every pixel carefully:
...
I meant the situation in the picture - do I shoot just in this second or can the vehicles move e.g. some 50m?

MattXR

Jul 19 2006, 19:09

remeber to keep things secret, dont want to give your answers away u know.. i looked at this thred and came to my conclusion lol.. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif

--my eyes only-- lol

oyman

Jul 19 2006, 19:35

So......do we have to use our real name or forum name when we submit this?

Placebo

Jul 19 2006, 20:05

So......do we have to use our real name or forum name when we submit this?
It really doesn't matter, if you win of course you'll have to provide your real name and address anyway for the prizes to be sent http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

funnyguy1

Jul 19 2006, 20:42

Well, the question about the infantry visible on the pic is quite important as we don`t know If we have to avoid contact or no...Do we have to think about them at all?

Placebo

Jul 19 2006, 21:37

You have to think about everything, as a real soldier would, as CAPT Gavin Kane will do http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

funnyguy1

Jul 19 2006, 22:44

Yeah, but In real life I would know if those guys are my allies or no, since they are `visible` from the point where the pic has been taken http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

Would be better if we should not take into concideration those guys at all just thinking about the "possible" danger, not the visible one (if they`re not friendly of course)...and that would reduce the ammount of e-mails sent to you with a competition entry cancellation requests btw http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

colossus

Jul 19 2006, 23:30

Doh! I just figured out where to really position myself and I've already posted. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Ah well, I never win anything anyway http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

lilwillie

Jul 20 2006, 00:33

You have to think about everything, as a real soldier would, as CAPT Gavin Kane will do http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
It's July 20th gents, Let us all let the man enjoy his wonderfull wedding coming up. As a married man I can imagine the things he has going on.

Congrats to Placebo.

RalphWiggum

Jul 20 2006, 01:03

Here's my suggestion
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9240/armacontestci2.jpg
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

Rg

Jul 20 2006, 03:57

Will someone be looking through ALL entries?

Would it make any difference if I submitted today vs. august 30th?

J W

Jul 20 2006, 08:44

My suggestion:
"Send in Chuck Norris"

I'll soooo win.

Ti0n3r

Jul 20 2006, 08:45

Yeah, cause Chuck Norris has got two speed modes. Walk and kill http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif

... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

J W

Jul 20 2006, 08:49

Indeed, and if that tank tries to do something to him, he'll just roundhouse-kick it.

This is so waterproof. I'll get that first prize http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

funnyguy1

Jul 20 2006, 10:59

Well, while my question about the infantry remains unanswered due to the Placebo`s wedding, there`s another one...

Quote[/b] ]you have a large area of terrain with a number of visible Southern Sahrani armour targets and a number of positions to fire from, where would you choose to optimise the damage you can cause, as well as trying to ensure you can escape afterwards
a quote from bistudio.com

Quote[/b] ]Any "Western/USA" vehicle should be considered Southern Sahrani.
a quote from Placebo

Well, It`s obvious that there are some tanks in the picture belonging clearly to the "north" and only one that might be concidered as a `us friendly` south...
Is It a misunderstanding? Or am I really blind...

Best possition to destroy one target isn`t the same as best possition to destroy a few targets, when realism and ammo limit matters...I`m confused.

Scruffy

Jul 20 2006, 11:30

@Ralph Wiggum: Actually that was the first place I clicked http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

@funnyguy1: Judging from the uniforms seen so far on screenshots, I marked all the units I think are northern Sahrani forces with a green circle and the southern Sahrani/ US forces with a red circle.

Hope i got all of them, did anyone see others?

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8678/armourhitcompetitionmarkedlu1.jpg
click here for better quality (http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7913/armourhitcompetitionfullhzd4.jpg)

Cozza

Jul 20 2006, 12:58

ahh fuck. I fucked mine up. I was thought we were attackin the tanks at the top. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

Well whos cares. Court Marshell for me. But I'm northen sahrani so I'll probley just get shot behind the barracks http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

hardrock

Jul 20 2006, 17:22

I think you're making things too complicated. I think we should just find the best position to attack _any_ of the tanks shown (trucks also???) . . .

Chipper

Jul 20 2006, 19:19

I'm going to submit my entry a few days before the end of the contest. I want as much time as I can studying the pic, watching the forums for clues and consulting real military people (my dad lol).

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif

deanosbeano

Jul 20 2006, 19:22

No need for studying ,job done.got on radio for my friend giant erik the rpg soldier and sorted it.
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2171/cpuy8.jpg

Ti0n3r

Jul 20 2006, 19:25

hax http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

funnyguy1

Jul 20 2006, 19:33

I think you're making things too complicated. I think we should just find the best position to attack _any_ of the tanks shown (trucks also???) . . .
That`s probably a wrong thinking m8!

They`ve said we have to attack "southern" targets, Placee said that trucks are friendly, so there`s not much left to choose. What`s still confusing me is that on the official page says: southern targetS...

.pablo.

Jul 20 2006, 20:18

first off, very cool idea BIS http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif

secondly, there are definitely some questions that need to be addressed:

1. as others have brought up, there seems to be only one armored target on the southern sahrani side, not to mention that it is stuffed into a corner while the rest of the screenshot has northern units...

2. due to the current pixel-by-pixel choice, i can see a lot of people essentially choosing the same spot but having different coordinates. will the selection be made by whichever person gets the exact coordinates or will anyone within a certain radius (say, 5-10 pixels) be taken to the second round?

3. another issue brought up by others is the lack of information regarding the situation. i would suggest checking out some of the marine corps gazette´s tactical decision games (TDGs) for an idea of what information is useful (and realistic) to have:
http://www.mca-marines.org/Gazette/tdgpdf.html

RMATICH

Jul 21 2006, 01:14

I don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of winning but I gave it a try! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif Placebo did you get that cake I baked for you and the judges??? Hmm??? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif

Ryujin

Jul 21 2006, 22:08

umm...well, the spot i would pick is obsured by buildings in the picture, do i have to pick a visible spot then?

EDIT: What kind of RPG do I get and whats sort of ammo? Plus what if i want to break up my squad or make a distraction? Do I have mines or other explosives?

oyman

Jul 22 2006, 02:34

What kind of RPG do I get and whats sort of ammo? Plus what if i want to break up my squad or make a distraction? Do I have mines or other explosives?
You get Floobie The Kamikaze RPG's, a must have in modern MBT busting operations.

Flooby Specs (http://ofp.gamepark.cz/index.php?showthis=8822)

toster

Jul 22 2006, 06:15

A German Version of velocity can you found here: http://www.bis-ingame.net/mix....an.html (http://www.bis-ingame.net/mix/bi/FlashNews_100th_Edition_Competition-German.html)
for send use the official site. It hope is for the one or other helpful.

Grayace

Jul 22 2006, 09:55

I think you're making things too complicated. I think we should just find the best position to attack _any_ of the tanks shown (trucks also???) . . .
That`s probably a wrong thinking m8!

They`ve said we have to attack "southern" targets, Placee said that trucks are friendly, so there`s not much left to choose. What`s still confusing me is that on the official page says: southern targetS...
Southern means "Allegiance" not the direction of the attack... and since there isnt any compass indicator on the picture, assuming top is the north would not be wise according to tactical perception.

.pablo.

Jul 22 2006, 17:32

I think you're making things too complicated. I think we should just find the best position to attack _any_ of the tanks shown (trucks also???) . . .
That`s probably a wrong thinking m8!

They`ve said we have to attack "southern" targets, Placee said that trucks are friendly, so there`s not much left to choose. What`s still confusing me is that on the official page ***says: southern targetS...
Southern means "Allegiance" not the direction of the attack... and since there isnt any compass indicator on the picture, assuming top is the north would not be wise according to tactical perception.
placebo has said that western (american) units are to be considered ¨southern allegiance¨while eastern (russian) units are to be considered ¨northern allegiance¨. ***in other words, funnyguy1 has it right.

edit:
here´s the quote, from page two of this thread:

Quote[/b] ]Urals are most likely Northern Sahrani targets, so why would you attack your own forces? ***Not to mention the fact that trucks are "soft targets"

Any "Western/USA" vehicle should be considered Southern Sahrani.

edit #2:
since no one has replied to the points i made above (esp. the one regarding the TDGs), i will post an example TDG to give an idea of some of the information that might be useful to give people for the current contest:

Quote[/b] ]Bound for Trouble

by Paul Turnan

Situation
Your battalion conducts a heliborne assault to secure river crossings for the rest of the brigade advancing over land. Your company is in the initial helowave. Its mission is to secure the approaches to the landing zone (LZ) to allow for the unhindered insertion of the rest of your battalion. Your rifle platoon is tasked to advance along a road leading from the LZ to guard against an enemy attack into the LZ.

The enemy in this area is expected to be foot-mobile infantry of varying quality, operating in units up to company size, well-equipped with mortars and machineguns, and possibly supported by light armor.

The region is agricultural, cut by narrow roads, dotted with substantial farmhouses and tiny villages. Fieldstone walls or earthen embankments bound fields, pastures, and orchards.

You are the 1st Squad leader. One machinegun is traveling with your squad. The platoon is using bounding overwatch to move to contact. Your squad is crossing through an enclosed orchard when, through the leaves, you spot a column of enemy infantry on the road about 400 meters away. The enemy seems oblivious to your squad. You believe you are unsighted. The time is now 0820.

Requirement
In 2 minutes issue orders to your squad. Provide the rationale for your actions and a sketch of your plan.

and the accompanying picture:
http://www.mca-marines.org/Gazette/tdgs/graphics/0105tdg.gif

this TDG can be found here (http://www.mca-marines.org/Gazette/tdgs/0105tdg.html).

ade_mcc

Jul 26 2006, 12:52

After much deliberation and looking through the various forums disussing various strategies (the hi-res picture is my desktop wallpaper) I have to admit that I have no idea whatsoever!!!

In a related issue check out the following link. The idea being that you click on the various pictures and then it gives an updated picture showing where everyone else clicked.

Linky (http://blog.outer-court.com/click/)

Very psycologically interesting!

Point being, after the competition is over, any chance of something similar to see where everyone clicked?

Cheers!

[DirTyDeeDs]-Ziggy-

Jul 27 2006, 04:29

it's simple really.

I am quite confident in my selection. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

Chipper

Jul 27 2006, 05:37

heh i clicked on her tits and so did a bunch of other ppl yay, im not the only person w/ issues.

anyways ontopic i think we need to come to a decision on where the right spot is then all we have to work out ourselfs is that little essay part

sicilian

Jul 27 2006, 15:01

In a related issue check out the following link. ***The idea being that you click on the various pictures and then it gives an updated picture showing where everyone else clicked.

Linky (http://blog.outer-court.com/click/)
Thats quite nice! Is anyone able to rebuild this with the BI pic?

armandobronca

Jul 30 2006, 01:49

Check this (http://www.clickdensity.com)

sicilian

Jul 31 2006, 07:10

Ok, here is the map http://alsr.djknuffel.de/

The clicks will be recorded 30 days... ***http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

Click your positions...!!!

Albert Schweitzer

Aug 1 2006, 13:55

Did I win yet? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif ?

Mr_Tea

Aug 1 2006, 14:02

Did I win yet? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif ?
The competition runs till 31.08.2006. 30 Days to wait left. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Albert Schweitzer

Aug 1 2006, 14:30

Did I win yet? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif ?
The competition runs till 31.08.2006. 30 Days to wait left. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
why the hell did they give that much time? Those who know OFP well would have been aware of the the competition right away! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

Potatomasher

Aug 4 2006, 16:25

Did I win yet? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif ?
The competition runs till 31.08.2006. 30 Days to wait left. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
why the hell did they give that much time? Those who know OFP well would have been aware of the the competition right away! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Deadline should have been in midnight the day after flashnews 100. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Now the ods for winning are very small.

kavoven

Aug 9 2006, 17:45

Two questions:
1) Name: Do we have to put in our real name, or our nickname used in these forums?

2) I'm from Germany and after thinking up a tiebreaker in English I noticed, that people from Germany should enter it in German. So will I have to change it, or will it improve my chances? (Because I also could be someone living in Germany without speaking the language http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif )

Placebo

Aug 9 2006, 18:01

1) Already asked and answered in the thread.
2) You won't be penalised for answering in English for the German prize, the main point was as there is a German prize we'll let you answer in German so you can be fully expressive in your mother tongue and not have to worry about your level of English http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Mr Burns

Aug 9 2006, 20:33

2) You won't be penalised for answering in English for the German prize, the main point was as there is a German prize we'll let you answer in German so you can be fully expressive in your mother tongue and not have to worry about your level of English http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Aaaaah http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/banghead.gif
Anyways, hope to get creds for "trying" as rethinking the whole thing into german is not an option since i forgot what i wrote http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

toster

Aug 10 2006, 08:38

The German translation ( http://www.bis-ingame.net/mix....an.html (http://www.bis-ingame.net/mix/bi/FlashNews_100th_Edition_Competition-German.html) ):
Quote[/b] ]1. Teilnehmer aus Russland sollten ihren Tiebreaker in Russisch, Teilnehmer aus Deutschland, Östereich & Schweiz auf Deutsch verfassen.

Placebo

Aug 10 2006, 08:50

Great job thanks http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

kadiir

Aug 13 2006, 05:58

<TDG stuff>
Where are the TDG solutions posted? ***I looked around on the TDG website and only found a current solution.

Bionicman303

Aug 24 2006, 03:00

Hi,

I recently stumbled over this screenshot (http://www.nextgenerationgames.de/php/content/images/AA040706pic01.jpg),
presumably showing the town from the competition screenshot from another perspective. Use the two church towers and the nave as a fixed point for orientation.

Just an addon for the discussion but in fact the decision for the RPG-Soldier placement should be based upon the official screenshot...

greetz

.pablo.

Aug 24 2006, 17:24

great find bionic, it looks like the screenshot is even taken from the same mission/scenario, as the convoy is in almost the same location (and heading in the same direction) as in the competition screenshot.

if we are to follow a strict interpretation of the rules though, and only target southern sahrani armor (and not the russian-equipped northern sahranis), then our sole target to choose from (the Abrams) is far from the area depicted in the shot you found. ***if placebo were to clarify which armor is northern and which is southern, however, your shot might prove to be more useful.

Placebo

Aug 24 2006, 17:49

US vehicles = Southern Sahrani
Russian vehicles = Northern Sahrani

.pablo.

Aug 24 2006, 18:45

thanks placebo!

Bionicman303

Aug 24 2006, 19:12

great find bionic, it looks like the screenshot is even taken from the same mission/scenario, as the convoy is in almost the same location (and heading in the same direction) as in the competition screenshot.

if we are to follow a strict interpretation of the rules though, and only target southern sahrani armor (and not the russian-equipped northern sahranis), then our sole target to choose from (the Abrams) is far from the area depicted in the shot you found. if placebo were to clarify which armor is northern and which is southern, however, your shot might prove to be more useful.
Yes, indeed, the place on the screenshot is on the the opposite side of the town and, as a consequence, is not helpful concerning which armour should be targeted...
Nevertheless, it shows the terrain lying behind the position from where the official screenshot had been taken. This might influence someones decision concerning the retreat-route, i.e. escaping to the hills. But, as said in my previous post, this should not mislead to a wrong decision, because the guy from the Australian army will make his decision upon the official one.

greetz

EDIT: In my opinion, the US tank guarding the crossroad (on the bottom-left) is actually the only target available for a fictive Northern Sahrani RPG-soldier.

.pablo.

Aug 24 2006, 19:49

Nevertheless, it shows the terrain lying behind the position from where the official screenshot had been taken. This might influence someones decision concerning the retreat-route, i.e. escaping to the hills.
yeah i was thinking the same thing, but i reached the same conclusion as you regarding its relevance in this particular case. ***i'm sure it'll help out though when the answer is announced and all of us that are wrong are criticizing the australian guy's "mistake". ***http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

WhoCares

Aug 31 2006, 07:16

Just a little reminder that the competition runs out today!

Placebo

Aug 31 2006, 07:36

Midnight Prague time http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

armandobronca

Sep 1 2006, 02:26

Who won?

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

Bionicman303

Sep 1 2006, 02:48

I guess the evalution will take a bit of time...but could you please make it possible, that the solution is presented soon? ...I'm dying

I need to know, how many prizes I'll win http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif

Just kidding...nevertheless, I hope I won't loose my belief when reading http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/band.gif the solution, i.e. hoping I'm not that many miles away from the optimal spot

greetz

Talyn

Sep 1 2006, 14:58

I’m just intrigued as to where CAPT Kane placed his marker. And his reasons behind it.

ade_mcc

Sep 1 2006, 15:19

Quote[/b] ]I’m just intrigued as to where CAPT Kane placed his marker. And his reasons behind it.

And what his answer was to why is Armed Assault CAPT Kanes' secret weapon?

Hope we get to see some of the community answers. Knowing the folks in this forum I bet they range from the mundane to the sublime!

Should be a prize for the best tie-breaker. Only saying as the probability of me getting the marker right is very, very unlikely.

(actually, my tie-breaker was a bit poor too, ahh well)

Lou Montana

Sep 1 2006, 15:27

Placebo, tell others I won and... well, let's say I buy you an ArmA copy http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

lilwillie

Sep 1 2006, 23:53

whoever won, congrats from this man first.

Let's all hope for the floodgates of Arma info and whatever to open when the winner is announced.

RavenDK

Sep 2 2006, 06:06

Placebo propper reveal it in the next flashnews http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

Espectro

Sep 3 2006, 14:14

Placebo propper reveal it in the next flashnews http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
Yep http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

brataccas

Sep 3 2006, 22:08

lol, i nearly forgot all about this http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

Albert Schweitzer

Sep 4 2006, 10:51

damn, give us an update, will ya! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/banghead.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

hardrock

Sep 4 2006, 11:04

I'm pessimistic enough to know that I haven't won. But I'm curious too about the Captain's placement! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif

deanosbeano

Sep 4 2006, 18:53

apparently he shot over the head of that armoured column ,they all came back to look and battered that lone abrahams http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/pistols.gif

Sniperwolf572

Sep 5 2006, 17:09

I'm pessimistic enough to know that I haven't won. But I'm curious too about the Captain's placement! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif
Same here. It will be interesting if we could get a detailed explanation on why did he decide on that specific position. As I saw the "does not regard the game limitation" bit too late, I'm positive he was shooting from one of the upper windows.

Mr Burns

Sep 5 2006, 20:21

As I saw the "does not regard the game limitation" bit too late, I'm positive he was shooting from one of the upper windows.
That´s what i thought http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif
Just praying the backblast won´t kick me outta the window http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

Silent N Deadly

Sep 6 2006, 00:07

Shooting from the upper windows wouldn't really allow for a quick and clean get away. You might get spotted from someone in the building...or encounter resistence as you exit the building...unless you had a helicopter extraction. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif I hope not!

Chipper

Sep 6 2006, 02:07

I marked my spot near a opening in the fence a few meters north of the abrams. Why? Because you can fire and hit the tank in the rear causing most damage. Then you can quickly escape by jumping a few fences behind the buildings.

Potatomasher

Sep 6 2006, 08:20

I marked my spot near a opening in the fence a few meters north of the abrams. Why? Because you can fire and hit the tank in the rear causing most damage. Then you can quickly escape by jumping a few fences behind the buildings.
Exactly. I marked the same spot.

Radnik

Sep 6 2006, 09:34

I marked my spot near a opening in the fence a few meters north of the abrams. Why? Because you can fire and hit the tank in the rear causing most damage. Then you can quickly escape by jumping a few fences behind the buildings.
Exactly. I marked the same spot.
damn... http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard311/non-cgi/Skin/SKIN-2/PostIcons/icon1.gif

i think my coordinates was somewere around 160.00!

kasper

Sep 6 2006, 12:01

I just launch a scud ... no position on map !!! ***http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif no fear about resistance lol http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif ***http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

Silent N Deadly

Sep 6 2006, 16:37

You only have an RPG, so good luck with the scud. ***http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif

@Chipper:
I hope it's not the opening near the trees, since there's a enemy on the roof top, he has a pretty clear shot. You better run fast! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

Bionicman303

Sep 6 2006, 17:17

You only have an RPG, so good luck with the scud. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif

@Chipper:
I hope it's not the opening near the trees, since there's a enemy on the roof top, he has a pretty clear shot. You better run fast! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
You are right. The soldier on the roof and the bunch of soldiers standing to the right of him (on the road), pretty much exclude a large area for placing that RPG-soldier. The point is that it would only take him one radio call to direct his buddies on the ground.

Chipper

Sep 6 2006, 19:05

OK I didn't realize that guy on the roof had a clear shot so what if I lost! But I still think some one could pull it off though if they just take a different route to escape.

Schattenlied

Sep 10 2006, 07:31

i have one thing to add, u guys were saying that even if u did disable the engine on a tank it could still kill you..., well your wrong, the engine powers the turret, no power no turn! tank is rendered compleatly useless

my coordinates were 173,107, many tanks and i am on elevated ground behind them, turrets probly couldent angle that high to shoot me anyways lol and from behind i maximize use of my crapy rpg launcher, and the weekness of all tanks, the armor at the rear

Bionicman303

Sep 10 2006, 08:41

i have one thing to add, u guys were saying that even if u did disable the engine on a tank it could still kill you..., well your wrong, the engine powers the turret, no power no turn! tank is rendered compleatly useless

my coordinates were 173,107, many tanks and i am on elevated ground behind them, turrets probly couldent angle that high to shoot me anyways lol and from behind i maximize use of my crapy rpg launcher, and the weekness of all tanks, the armor at the rear
Hi,

If i got your coordinates right, you would shoot from left-above of the tank column moving out of town, right? I guess that these are Northern Sahrani tanks and therefore are not meant to be a target as you are a *Northern* Sahrani RPG soldier!?
As I stated before, the only place (from what I know...) can be a spot from where you have a direct sight on the tank being on the lower-left edge of the picture. Additionally, infantry patrolling in about 100-200 metres to the right of that tank, exclude that area while searching for ...

a) ... a possible attack spot
b) ... a possible retreat route

greetz

walker

Sep 10 2006, 12:24

Hi all

What is the arming distance for an RPG? 45 metres or so?

Of course suicidal users might alter that but effective trained troops will not. It takes time to train someone how to fire an RPG effectivley.

What is minimum effective range of an RPG say a standard RPG7? Distance it takes to reach an effective velocity to fly nice and straight and penetrate armour?
Say about 200 Meters.

How many practice rounds does it take to train somone to hit a target at the minimum effective range?

What is its maximum effective range?
Say 500 metres.

How many practice rounds does it take to train somone to hit a target at the maximum effective range?

Draw some circles.

Sensible officers will not want to waste those who can take down an M1A1 or Merkaba. So they will also be trained to escape and evade.

Firing position
What is your cover after firing, with that big white smoke trail leading to your firing position.
Being close to an explosion on a tank means your enemy eyes are first drawn to the tank then to the source of the rocket. Being close means they find you faster. How far away should you be?
Are you in defelade? Posibly the most important question. If you are in defelade then only the enemy you are killing and those he blocks the line of sight of can see or shoot you. Nice defilade a thin zig zag alley with walls either side and maybe some top cover.
What about back blast? A wall behind you might propel you out into the open or kill and wound you. It will give away your position.

Enemy considerations
Which ways is he looking? There will be more than one.
How many pairs of eyes?
Where is he weakest? In a tank top, hatches are weak, and back. But a mobility kill where the enemy can not recover the vehicle is as good as an outright kill and exposes the mobility kill and crew to subsequent attack with smoke and molotovs. As well as recovery crews. So the tracks are a good target.
Where are his weapons?
Where are they pointing?
Where can he point them at?
How fast can he bring them to bear?

Getting away with it
Where is the escape route?
Where are you escaping too?
Where are your troops?
Where are the enemy troops?

Just some minor thoughts.

Kind Regards Walker

CameronMcDonald

Sep 10 2006, 22:16

Just a thought to throw in there:

Remember the RPG7 is a notoriously inaccurate weapon in real life - it is ridiculously affected by the wind, thus the more open air you will have to fire across, the shoddier your aim will be.

walker

Sep 10 2006, 23:05

Hi all

There is also the question of how big a target can you hit at what range.

Range limits your target
200 metres is very far to hit a specific point on a vehicle such as the turret ring or a hatch (from height). Getting the engine compartment or a track may be easier.

http://www.defense-update.com/products/r/rpg.htm

If your choice of target on a tank affects the decision it may affect how you must aproach it.

In OFP I would not consider taking on an MBT at more than 150m but OFP is not real life. Yes I have hit them from further out. In OFP BMPs I regularly shoot out to about 500m plus.

In OFP I would want to be one of a three or four man team taking on an MBT.

If I was using WGL with the ability to kill a track. I would consider a longer range shot say as much as 300m.

FAS puts the minimum arming range of the RPG at 5m

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/rpg-7.pdf

Others say it is out to as much as 50m

I tend to believe FAS.

Here is another interesting read
http://www.defense-update.com/features/du-1-04/rpg-threat.htm

Kind Regards Walker

Schattenlied

Sep 13 2006, 16:53

Hi,

If i got your coordinates right, you would shoot from left-above of the tank column moving out of town, right? I guess that these are Northern Sahrani tanks and therefore are not meant to be a target as you are a *Northern* Sahrani RPG soldier!?
As I stated before, the only place (from what I know...) can be a spot from where you have a direct sight on the tank being on the lower-left edge of the picture. Additionally, infantry patrolling in about 100-200 metres to the right of that tank, exclude that area while searching for ...

a) ... a possible attack spot
b) ... a possible retreat route

greetz
ok just caus there in the northern part of town dosent mean there my tanks, and the tank in the south is an american M1A1/A2 abrams tank, nothing else. in otherwords, not a target

BlackScorpion

Sep 18 2006, 19:35

I set my guy at the high "doublehouse" right next to the tank, front right in the pic... ought to give me a nice 30-40m shooting distance, a quick getaway (via staircase and to the backyard, where there's a friendly already) and some cover from the tank. The fella further away might spot me but it's only few meters to the door so...

Schattenlied

Sep 18 2006, 21:48

dude thats right behind the american tank, youd be shooting a friendly with that rpg, not an enemy tank. read the post i put right before yours http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif, if you look closly the enemy tanks are up at the top, driving north east,(T-72 tanks) wich would mean, enemy, there hard to spot at first but you will see them

Schattenlied

Sep 18 2006, 21:54

I marked my spot near a opening in the fence a few meters north of the abrams. Why? Because you can fire and hit the tank in the rear causing most damage. Then you can quickly escape by jumping a few fences behind the buildings.
Exactly. I marked the same spot.
ok theres some slight problems with your area, you basically pointed this out yourself, you said behind the "ABRAMS" thats an AMERICAN TANK, not an enemy tank, pay attention guys, use your brain,.lol

Silent N Deadly

Sep 18 2006, 22:08

I marked my spot near a opening in the fence a few meters north of the abrams. Why? Because you can fire and hit the tank in the rear causing most damage. Then you can quickly escape by jumping a few fences behind the buildings.
Exactly. I marked the same spot.
ok theres some slight problems with your area, you basically pointed this out yourself, you said behind the "ABRAMS" thats an AMERICAN TANK, not an enemy tank, pay attention guys, use your brain,.lol
@Schattenlied: "lol"

Why don't you use YOUR brain. "lol"
Maybe english/reading classes would help your brain evolve slightly so that instead of pointing out and quickly jumping the gun on others you might be able to actually take your time and read carefully. "lol"

Dynamax

Sep 18 2006, 22:17

ok theres some slight problems with your area, you basically pointed this out yourself, you said behind the "ABRAMS" thats an AMERICAN TANK, not an enemy tank, pay attention guys, use your brain,.lol
i think it is you who is having issues on knowing what side your on..
try reading the whole thing from start to finish, and make sure you understand what is being said.
but just incase you dont figure it out i'll help you out.
you (the guy with the "RPG"(like that doesnt give it away)), are part of the northern forces.. that Abrams tank is part of the southern forces.. you're objective is to take out any southern.. ok let have another go.. SOUTHERN armour vehicles. that being siad, that abrams is the ONLY southern forces armour seen in the picture, its a little too obvious that it's your target.

CameronMcDonald

Sep 18 2006, 22:30

Poor guy. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif

I can't remember where I put my entry.

Mr Burns

Sep 18 2006, 23:21

aah, the fun we have http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

Silent N Deadly

Sep 19 2006, 01:13

Even Placebo said in plain english, that you have to attack the Abram Tank. So pathetic how some people quickly jump on others before they actually carefully read the whole thing themselves. "lol"

Adumb

Sep 19 2006, 01:15

"lol"

Silent N Deadly

Sep 19 2006, 01:15

Lets "lol"!

Ironsight

Sep 19 2006, 07:23

Even Placebo said in plain english, that you have to attack the Abram Tank.
You have?

Ohhh noz http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

Kernriver

Sep 19 2006, 15:27

I set my guy at the high "doublehouse" right next to the tank, front right in the pic... ought to give me a nice 30-40m shooting distance, a quick getaway (via staircase and to the backyard, where there's a friendly already) and some cover from the tank. The fella further away might spot me but it's only few meters to the door so...
That's exactly what i did... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

BlackScorpion

Sep 20 2006, 14:39

Then, assuming it's a good position, I hope that I got the better (or yours sucks more) tiebreaker. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

Oh, just to clarify, in coordinates that's somewhere around (500, 500).

Schattenlied

Sep 20 2006, 18:16

Even Placebo said in plain english, that you have to attack the Abram Tank. So pathetic how some people quickly jump on others before they actually carefully read the whole thing themselves. "lol"
dude your special, i just read the thing 6 times, where the fuck dose it say to attack the abrams? and in what way dose the fact that a tank in the southern part of the pic mean its a southern armour target? do you know what a flanking manuver is? apperently not dumbass

Frans

Sep 20 2006, 19:27

Schattenlied, on page 2 of this very thread Placebo said:

"Any "Western/USA" vehicle should be considered Southern Sahrani."

And on the official competition page here (http://www.bistudio.com/presspages/FlashNews_100th_Edition_Competition.html) it says:

"the position on the map where the most imminent threat would be from an enemy Northern Sahrani soldier armed with an RPG launcher, the Northern Sahrani soldier will of course be vying to attack Southern Sahrani armour. "

So you need to destroy the Abrams, like it or not.

BlackScorpion

Sep 20 2006, 20:52

Schattenlied. Considering that you've been part of the forums for about a month, and that the above was your 5th post (1st one 10 days ago...), I think you're not in the best position to argue against pretty much everyone, atleast not with insulting people...

OK, what do we have? Abrams in the lower left, and a column of T-72s (you even regodnized them, remember?) on the upper part. As we know from i.e. William Porter's blog, US forces were on the island training S-Sahrani troops when the N-Sahrani troops engaged. N-Sahrani is a sosialist state, and uses old Com Bloc hardware, such as helmets, AKs and armor (just check screenies).

Competition says you're a N-Sahrani RPG soldier with 3 RPGs. T-72s are very likely to be N-Sahrani. The whole left side of the pic is "dominated" by US troops. As mentioned above, both by me and few others, and by our beloved Placebo, US troops are to be considered hostile.

So, we got 5 or so T-72s and an Abrams. Now, I wonder which belong(s) to US... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

Not trying to piss you off more, just trying to come up with rational points for our views. You're free to feel differently if you want, just cool down, and don't call us stupid if we have all the arguments above on our side...

I'm not saying I'm correct, just explaining why it could be possible. If I'm wrong... feel free to laugh like hell to all of us "others"! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

Silent N Deadly

Sep 20 2006, 22:27

Even Placebo said in plain english, that you have to attack the Abram Tank. So pathetic how some people quickly jump on others before they actually carefully read the whole thing themselves. "lol"
dude your special, i just read the thing 6 times, where the fuck dose it say to attack the abrams? and in what way dose the fact that a tank in the southern part of the pic mean its a southern armour target? do you know what a flanking manuver is? apperently not dumbass
I'd like to say a few things to you right now, but I better just resort to PM so I don't disrupt the normal operations of this forum, and I don't want to humiliate you infront of such a large public audience since you might cry to your mommy. Your behaviour is pathetic and your attempts at "attacking" me are just as sad. Get your head out of your ass! KKTHXBAI

Btw-Im estimating your about 14 years old by your post, and yes Im aware what a flanking manuver is but the question is did you know what...never mind no use wasting my time. Back to the issue at hand, the Competition. Just forget it.

Edit- Thanks BlackScorpion for that post. Glad some people have their heads on right.

walker

Sep 21 2006, 00:04

Hi all

@Schattenlied
The first pasge of this thread
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin....52;st=0 (http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard311/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=60;t=52852;st=0)
Links to the actual competion page
http://www.bistudio.com/presspa....on.html (http://www.bistudio.com/presspages/FlashNews_100th_Edition_Competition.html)

Quote[/b] ]The competition is pretty straightforward - below you can see an image from Armed Assault. We sent this image to CAPT Gavin Kane of the Australian Army, based on his military experience and training we asked him to decide what he believes is the position on the map where the most imminent threat would be from an enemy Northern Sahrani soldier armed with an RPG launcher, the Northern Sahrani soldier will of course be vying to attack Southern Sahrani armour. CAPT Kane's decision will be based on the most imminent danger of probable hit, the damage caused and the best chance of escape afterwards by the attacker.

Each of you must try to decide which position he will choose and the entry nearest to CAPT Kane's choice will win 1st prize. Note that there are no guidelines as to which armoured vehicle should be targeted, and the position that CAPT Kane chooses does not consider game limitations, so make your decision as a soldier would, not as a character in-game.

Points taken from the above

You are the commander of some Southern Saharini forces.

You have Armor somwhere in that picture

In order to protect your armour you must assess the most probable location a trained enemy AT soldier armed with three RPGs would launch an attack from.

The rest of the people who are debating with you may have an advantage over you in that they may be more aware than you of the underlying narative of the ArmA game. Which places Southern Sahrani as using western equipment. And Northern Sahrani as using former soviet block equipment.

Placebo who set the competion makes it more explicit thus negating their advantage

Placebo speaking on July 19 2006,20:30 in this part of the thread says
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin....2;st=15 (http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard311/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=60;t=52852;st=15)

Quote[/b] ]Urals are most likely Northern Sahrani targets, so why would you attack your own forces? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif Not to mention the fact that trucks are "soft targets" http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Any "Western/USA" vehicle should be considered Southern Sahrani.

Royal_Blackwatch you should take into account that the target(s) you choose, and the way you attack, may set up further immediate successful attacks (of those same targets you attacked or other targets) for the rest of your side, how you decide that is up to you.

The only western armor I see is the Abrams in the lower left hand corner of the picture.

I know some of you are mature adults and some of you have served in the armed forces. The guy is new cut him a little slack.

Kind Regards Walker

Artak

Sep 21 2006, 11:41

Oh dear, I think I just immobilized a friendly BMP. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

I still have one hope though, that the best position to ambush the friendly tanks is also the best position to attack the Abrams. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

Placebo

Sep 21 2006, 12:28

I now know who the winners are http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

colossus

Sep 21 2006, 12:44

Congrats to you all http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Placebo

Sep 21 2006, 13:33

Winners will be announced probably in next week's FlashNews, in the meantime we made a "hotspot" map showing the positions selected by all entrants http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

http://www.bistudio.com/armour_hit_competition_hotspots.jpg (http://www.bistudio.com/presspages/armour_hit_competition_hotspots_hires.png)

Click the image for a hires version http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Frans

Sep 21 2006, 13:36

People actually tried to stand on top of the Abrams??? ***http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif

I'm really looking forward to seeing the 'official solution' of Capt. Kane. I wonder if I'm even close. The spot I chose does seem to be quite popular...

Mr Burns

Sep 21 2006, 13:42

Surprising how many people actually used the windows http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Cant remember exactly which one i chose but there´s only 3 other crosses around.

Frans

Sep 21 2006, 13:47

Surprising how many people actually used the windows ***http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
The competition page says: "the position that CAPT Kane chooses does not consider game limitations", so I think you could use a window position.

Mr Burns

Sep 21 2006, 13:51

Surprising how many people actually used the windows http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
The competition page says: "the position that CAPT Kane chooses does not consider game limitations", so I think you could use a window position.
Me too, but it needs some kind of "open mind" to do so, thus making it a surprise for me.

Still wonder what went through the peoples minds standing on top of the abrams though http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif

Frans

Sep 21 2006, 13:52

Still wonder what went through the peoples minds standing on top of the abrams though http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Well, the RPG is notoriously inaccurate, but from zero distance they're absolutely certain they'll score a hit....

Talyn

Sep 21 2006, 15:34

I see quite a few people had the same idea as me. Located somewhere in the bottom left corner, out of view from any soldiers and a getaway car hid in the bushes. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

MrZig

Sep 21 2006, 16:33

Still wonder what went through the peoples minds standing on top of the abrams though http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Shuttup! I thought it was where you aim the RPG on the Abrams! Aiiee! I totally wasted my chance. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

Freshman

Sep 21 2006, 17:24

Even if it was the aimingpoint it would be ... bad.

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif

MrZig

Sep 21 2006, 17:26

naah, beinh down angle, aiming at teh top of the tank. it doesnt seem that far.

although maybe.. I unno. its better than a thousand other positions clicked!

walker

Sep 21 2006, 17:27

Hi all

I did not enter.

I like the line of people who realised the defilade position running about 2 minutes past 12 from the Abrams.

The archway past the trees where that line of crosses ends was my chosen spot.

The following assumes the turret is facing toward the front of the tank; it is hard to tell in the picture. If not then point 5 should be ignored as first RPG target and instead point 7 (the tank track) should replace point 5 (the engine compartment) as the prefered first target. In that case the turret ring should be the target for the other two RPGs.

Which ever way the target is facing my choice of place to attack from remains the same

Reasons and method
1)Between 100 and 200 Metres from the target so a good engagement range and direction reduces chance of being observed through vission slots.
2)In defilade left right and rear
3)Easy multipe escape routes in dense urban environment
4)Mark direction and line to target with walls in between you and target for post hit obscuration
5)Chosen first RPG target is the Abrams engine compartment for first hit mobility kill. (possibly reduces turret turn ability to if it requires power)
6)Support team to throw smoke (to screw up visual) and flares (to screw up thermal) idealy from a close rooftop.
7)Chosen second RPG target the track.
8)Support team to throw molotovs on crew hatches and further confuse thermal and IED on engine compartment.
9)Chosen third RPG target the rear turret ring for a highest probability crew kill.
10)Pop smoke and distracting flares and exfiltrate toward own forces through the maze of streets between 10 and 2 oclock from Abrams.
11)The weak point of this attack is the RPG will not be hitting at 90 degrees to the Engine compartment and may bounce off.
12) Addition slat or spaced armor to this weak spot might be worth while.

I think those who chose close rooftops had a possible better chance of a first time kill via a turret hatch but the escape routes are not ideal. Wastes a trained AT team not good.

I think the chance of killing an Abrams with an RPG is remote.

That said hezbola had very good success using something aproaching these tactics from the films and reports I have seen. That was against a tank with suposedly similar abilities to an Abrams.

Most of the kills were mobility with post mobility kill attacks to take out recovery and rescue attempts. Using the same reasoning as NATO's shift from 7.62 to 5.56 of tieing down the enemy in dealing with the casualty rather than an outright kill. Affects moral too.

Also lots of crippelled soldiers saps the political will and reduces the economic power of the enemy more than a straight kill.

Kind Regards Walker

BlackScorpion

Sep 21 2006, 22:18

'grats for the winners, and I can only hope for the best... looks like my area is somewhat populated, too.

Just a note for the ones in windows... RPG, atleast RPG-7, is of recoilless design and has a backblast. If it won't kill you (yes, you can actually kill yourself when firing RPG-7), it'll definetly deafen you if fire it indoors.

Mr Burns

Sep 21 2006, 22:22

Just a note for the ones in windows... RPG, atleast RPG-7, is of recoilless design and has a backblast. If it won't kill you (yes, you can actually kill yourself when firing RPG-7), it'll definetly deafen you if fire it indoors.
At least i wont fly outta the window .. allahu akhbar ! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

colossus

Sep 21 2006, 23:14

Looks to me that many misunderstud the target here, including me http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

Schattenlied

Sep 22 2006, 05:36

ok fine then, whatever, but if you REALLY wanna know what would happen in a real life situation? if you were targeting the abrams with an rpg?, ok you could shoot that M1A1/A2 abrams wherever the hell you wanted to with 10+ rpgs well all at the same time and guess what... it would turn around and blow the shit out of you. an M1 tank can take 15+ shots from a T-72 tank (wich has a 130MM main cannon) and it will most likley just need a quick fixup on the treads or somthing and be back in the fight within the hour.and it will most likeley deciamte the T-72 tank even after its been shot that many times... so theres really no way you can take out a M1 tank with an rpg. i know like, 20 people in the military that would tell you the same thing.

Cozza

Sep 22 2006, 06:17

Thats why u attack them when the crews sticking there head out the top http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

joempie

Sep 22 2006, 06:48

Congrats to the winners! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif Hopefully I will be one of them! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

Next week the winners will be anounced, so we will find out everything! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

I hope we will get the ArmA MP demo too!!http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/inlove.gif

WhoCares

Sep 22 2006, 07:40

ok fine then, whatever, but if you REALLY wanna know what would happen in a real life situation? ....
You might check out the first link I provided on page 2 of this thread.
While it says 'NO catastrophic losses due to Iraqi direct or indirect fire weapons' it also has this (and some enlightening pictures for you):

Quote[/b] ]Frontal turret and hull armor continues to provide excellent crew protection. Top, side, and rear armor remains susceptible to penetration
- Documented instances where 25mm AP-DU and above ammunition disabled a tank from the rear
- Left and right side non-ballistic skirts repeatedly penetrated by anti-armor RPG fire
- Cosmetic damage only when struck by anti-personnel RPG rounds
- No reported hits on ballistic skirts
- No reported instance of tank hitting an anti-tank mine

But all this is not the main topic of this thread...

Congrats to the winners and while I did not participate it is interesting to see how many selected spots in the vincinity of my favored positions (and that was not on top of the tank ***http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif )

walker

Sep 22 2006, 09:44

Hi all

@Schattenlied I realise you have come over all patriotic or something but in the real world soldiers and in particular officers underestimate their enemy at their peril.

But we do not want to take the thread offtopic so reply in this thread instead http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin....1;&#top (http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard311/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=11;t=53819;r=1;&#top)

Anyway back to the point of the thread:

Congrats to the competition winners I am looking forward to seeing the result to see if I got the position right. Also the adjudicators view would be nice to see.

Kind Regards Walker

Schattenlied

Sep 22 2006, 20:06

Thats why u attack them when the crews sticking there head out the top http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
guess what... american crews arnt that stupid.

Placebo

Sep 22 2006, 21:17

Schattenlied if you don't have anything strictly related to the competition to discuss then you'll probably feel more confortable in another thread http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Silent N Deadly

Sep 23 2006, 05:03

I forgot to say congrats to the winners. Great job guys, who ever it might be! I'm exicted to find out who won.

MattXR

Sep 23 2006, 16:37

Congrats to the winners! its nice to look where everyone placed there markers too. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif

blackdog~

Sep 24 2006, 05:14

I must admit I just randomly clicked the image while closing my eyes and that's what I entered. I'm suprised to see that a lot of other people chose the same location!

Placebo

Sep 27 2006, 16:35

Winners Announced http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

http://www.bistudio.com/flashnews/105

Potatomasher

Sep 27 2006, 16:35

Damn, no track-ir for me. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

Allthough i don't agree with Capt Kane.
The enemy soldier on top of that other building has a clear shot. So i wouldn't attack from that position in real life.

Mr Burns

Sep 27 2006, 16:48

Congratz to the winners! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

@potato: clear shot or not, well .. you can´t always win that´s for sure. Take it like a man http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Potatomasher

Sep 27 2006, 16:51

you can´t always win that´s for sure.
You have a point there i reckon. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

Yeah, congrats to all of the winners. Forgotted from tha last post. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif

deanosbeano

Sep 27 2006, 17:04

congratulations to the winner,
altho as a tree hugger i must complain that in order to shoot from there, you would have to shoot through the tree in order to get the required downward angle, thus damaging the tree, trees cry too ya know. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Stendac

Sep 27 2006, 17:30

*groan* Looking at the full-size picture, I was about an inch away from the desired spot.

Amazing how someone chose the exact same spot as the captain.

daithi

Sep 27 2006, 17:57

Congratulations to the winner http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif

I was close .... but not close enough http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/banghead.gif

walker

Sep 27 2006, 18:01

Damn, no track-ir for me. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

Allthough i don't agree with Capt Kane.
The enemy soldier on top of that other building has a clear shot. So i wouldn't attack from that position in real life.
Hi Potatomasher

Not sure if that is a South Saharini soldier can you give me a reason you think so. I presume you are talking about the armed figure on the rooftop in the lower right hand corner of the picture.

I was right about the importance of the escape route and defilade. I also got the best escape route right.

Choice of the rear armor of the turret is born out by a successful attack on an Abrams in Iraq so founded in reality.

Rear turret ring was my 2nd choice for attack point. I would prefer the easier mobility kill. Also born out by a successful attack on an Abrams in Iraq so founded in reality.

I noted the advantage of top down attack but thought the nearby buildings too close and with no escape route. I failed to consider the middle distance top down attack presented by Cpt. Gavin Kane of the Australian Army.

Kind Regards Walker

Potatomasher

Sep 27 2006, 18:12

Damn, no track-ir for me. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

Allthough i don't agree with Capt Kane.
The enemy soldier on top of that other building has a clear shot. So i wouldn't attack from that position in real life.
Hi Potatomasher

Not sure if that is a South Saharini soldier can you give me a reason you think so. I presume you are talking about the armed figure on the rooftop in the lower right hand corner of the picture.

Kind Regards Walker
Yeah there's too someone on rooftop, but i meant the rooftop on middle of pic.

It was just a wild guess it's enemy. Nothing more.

XCess

Sep 27 2006, 18:46

Congrats to the winner.. even though I was in almost exactly the same place.. just a few pixels out http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

Placebo

Sep 27 2006, 19:06

Congrats to the winner.. even though I was in almost exactly the same place.. just a few pixels out http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
IIRC you were in the top 10 closest http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

MrZig

Sep 27 2006, 19:36

you mean the person on top of the tank doesn't get some sort of bravery award? oh.. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

Berghoff

Sep 27 2006, 20:26

Hmm I knew hiding in the tree just east of the winning position would do me any good. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

mchide

Sep 27 2006, 20:49

Congratulation guys http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif

i looked on that position too BUT: http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
That is a position from wich serious soldier would never fire to a tank.Wall on roof is way to small for cover ,there are no stairs, door or ladder, theres only one window... U still need to leave fire position fast as possible.
Window is from ground cca 80cm soo the wall height is cca 30cm.Well nice cover the shooter have.RPG needs to arm itself after fired...i think its too close
Shooter want to exit roof and he left an nice little smoke cloud from where he fired.He need to stand up to go thrue window or jump acros wall, hes too much death there.Where is tank there are soldiers too ...and close.

My position was "256,382" from there u can hit tank in back turret side or in engine. Hit in back side or turret from there would be close to 90 degrees.And distance is bigger.Easy to disapere from there.No jumping, simply go behing house and from there complete fire team can exit to safety.
Only my 2c

welshtrigg

Sep 27 2006, 21:38

i was bloody miles off,i dont care cause i got a real blue peter badge.

TheRocket

Sep 28 2006, 05:27

Congrats to the winners http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

I don't even remember where I pointed, but I would stand below that point near the opening and prepare my rpg before I would, as
quickly and accurate as possible, peek out as much as required and
plop the tank. Looks more fun to sneak and place a satchelcharge.

Will this scenario be available in ArmA as a test mission or template perhaps? Would be fun http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Artak

Sep 28 2006, 05:31

Congrats to all the prize winners!

As so often in OFP MP, my shot went to the opposite direction, towards the friendly column.

---Start Promotion---
Everyone who DIDN'T win, don't forget the OFPEC TrackIR cutscene competition. You still have a chance there.
---End Promotion---

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

Garcia

Sep 28 2006, 08:52

Bah...IIRC I guessed the corner of that fence just above the building http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif

Congrats to the winners though http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif

SniperAndy

Sep 28 2006, 11:17

Quote[/b] ]As so often in OFP MP, my shot went to the opposite direction, towards the friendly column.

Exactly same.
I did my submission on the 1st. day before it was clear that the Abrahms was the actual target. So I took my position on the top left of the image by the 2 floor white building (as several others seem to have done as well) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Congrats to the winners, I got my Track-IR a while ago and it simply rocks...!!!

bravo 6

Sep 28 2006, 11:53

for me that position is just bullshit.
after firing the RPG, the soldier had to jump from that house to the ground (with equipment).
Notice there are no doors, only a "non open window" near that place. Thats why that Pos is just stupid.
I know that after he fires the rpg he could hide in that roof or behind that tree, but he doesn't have a easy way to get out of there.

Competition_Winning_Location_Large.jpg (http://www.bistudio.com/flashnews/2006/09_September/240906/Competition_Winning_Location_Large.jpg)

as you can see some roofs are not acessible from bottom.
the only way he had to use that pos would be by that nearer window, that doesn't open cause its rusty.

Suma: congratulations to the winners and feck the jury, terrible decider knowing the ARMA's features http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Garcia

Sep 28 2006, 14:16

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif

I don't think you fully understood what the competition was about (or I did). It wasn't about what would be possible in ArmA, it's where a professional soldier would fire from if this was a real life situation, and I think you can put aside things like getting up/down from the roof etc. Besides, unless you have very strange eyes, you know nothing of what's behind the building...for all you know there is a ladder/stair on the back side of that building...lashing out at the winning posistion is kind of silly. The guy is a freeking captein...unless you've got a higher rank, I'd say it's a fair guess the guy knows a hell lot more than you when it comes to attacking a tank...

Mr Burns

Sep 28 2006, 14:25

The guy is a freeking captein...unless you've got a higher rank, I'd say it's a fair guess the guy knows a hell lot more than you when it comes to attacking a tank...
If this was true we would´nt have had a winner at all me thinks.
This proves how good flashpoint trains even civil individuals....and i´m not talking about the guys standing on top of the tank http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

Garcia

Sep 28 2006, 14:35

The guy is a freeking captein...unless you've got a higher rank, I'd say it's a fair guess the guy knows a hell lot more than you when it comes to attacking a tank...
If this was true we would´nt have had a winner at all me thinks.
This proves how good flashpoint trains even civil individuals....and i´m not talking about the guys standing on top of the tank http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
The contest was about getting closest to the position he chose, so even though there was only 1 participant who chose the upper right corner, there would have been a winner http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

And seeing the amount of people who probably participated, and the amount of people who apparently didn't choose the same position, I'd say it's a fair guess he knows much more than most of the people here...and with the amount of people trying to get the right position, it would be rather strange if nobody was close to the right position...besides, for all we know the ones who did win could be high ranked men in the army. Also, I'd guess not that many here did really have a good reason to why they chose their position, unlike he did. I for one only chose the position because it was a clear shot on the tank and a good escape route. And most of the arguments on why it was a bad position is a lot worse than the arguments for why it's a good position.

Anyway, all I'm saying is that the guy is trained to know this shit...he's also a captein, which means he obviously knows quite a bit about what he does. It's like telling your doctor what to do. I may tell my doctor that my heart is in my arse, but in the end, I think he knows more about where my heart is than I do...especially if I mean it's in my arse http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

armandobronca

Sep 29 2006, 00:37

Ouch i picked a pos very near of CAPT Gavin Kane choice http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

Congrats to the winners especially to Michael, distance 0 pixels

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif

Chipper

Sep 29 2006, 03:07

Oh damn I was SO close.

I picked just below that position.

Oh well congrats to the winners.

kasper

Oct 1 2006, 11:04

Congratulations to the winner !! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif

Lin_Chino

Oct 2 2006, 12:43

Congratulations to the_not_noob ....really you are not a noob http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif

leaskovski

Oct 2 2006, 21:51

Damn it man! wasn't too far off! Shame, could have done with a track-ir! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif

Anyway, Placceeebs, i bet you got some good phrases for advertising! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

CameronMcDonald

Oct 5 2006, 07:40

Yeah, mine were fully good. I'm disappointed they didn't make the tie break, I was way off! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

Placebo

Oct 5 2006, 08:17

So far only the 2nd prize winner and the Russian 3rd prize winner have responded to Emails......

Frans

Oct 5 2006, 09:00

So far only the 2nd prize winner and the Russian 3rd prize winner have responded to Emails......
If you need an alternative winner, I would be happy to volunteer... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

BlackScorpion

Oct 5 2006, 22:52

Yeah... Kane was wrong anyways, he should've picked my pos. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

Oh, and congrats to the winners. As said, not my top choise but eeeh, nothing new.