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BUZZARD @<hidden> July 10 2006,01:26)]and I don't know why, but if I would analise the referee's actions... can you spell the word "favoured"? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
IMO the ref was good. That ref is one of the few refs I feel have been good throughout the WC. He made 1 big mistake, which was not giving France the second penalty. Else than that he did a very good job. So honestly, I don't know where you've seen the ref favour any team... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif
martinovic
Jul 10 2006, 01:12
Quote[/b] ]Italy played more matches against tougher teams whilst France had too many "easy" games in this tournament, and I don't know why, but if I would analise the referee's actions... can you spell the word "favoured"?
Italy played vs Australia and Ukraine while France played vs: Brazil and Portugal.
The refree didn't give two penalties to the french because he didn't want to give more then one on the final game.
So shut up.
Edit: unless you are being sarcastic here...
The Frenchman
Jul 10 2006, 03:47
The real reason for the headbutt... (http://zidanewantscandy.ytmnd.com/)
Unsportsmanship for the win! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Way to go Italy!!
Now the frenchies can go home... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif
Btw for what I have heard Materazzi called Zidane a terrorist http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
That's what I like in Materazzi, besides being a great defender, a good header, he can also f*** up your mind all game long. He just provokes to the end http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif and as we could see Zidane simply couldn't handle it http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
So he snapped and hit him...too bad for a professional like Zidane being remembered by this action... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/icon_rolleyes.gif
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif Italia! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif
Ex-RoNiN
Jul 10 2006, 07:26
So shut up.
Completely unwarranted. 1WL for that.
I do agree with your point though, France had the hardest path to the final by far.
Delirium
Jul 10 2006, 08:21
So shut up.
Completely unwarranted. 1WL for that.
I do agree with your point though, France had the hardest path to the final by far.
But did nothing to win those games appart form seeking penalties.
df2dpxs
Jul 10 2006, 08:50
Quote[/b] ]But did nothing to win those games appart form seeking penalties.
Like Italia against Australia (and a dive of course)
But nevermind congratulation to Italia for the Defense (especially Buffon as usual)
We were'nt able to put a second goal so we didn't deserve victory
About Zidane, he doesn't deserve any excuses ! Even if you can imagine a little racist offense from a player from Lazio di Roma (Remember Di Canio, each time he putted a goal (just type Di canio in google pictures) or Roma Ultra supporters making monkey song each time Black players taked the Ball...)
And congratulation to the Mannschaft, for definitely proving that portugal did'nt deserve to be in Final.....
whisper
Jul 10 2006, 09:06
BUZZARD @<hidden> July 10 2006,01:26)]Way to go Italy!!! I'm glad that Italy won and not France - Italy played more matches against tougher teams whilst France had too many "easy" games in this tournament, and I don't know why, but if I would analise the referee's actions... can you spell the word "favoured"? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
Mmmh.. tinted glasses
While France was beating Spain, Italy was beating.... Australia. Yup, you're right, Australia is way above Spain, obviously http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/icon_rolleyes.gif
While France was beating Brazil, Italy was stopping... Ukraine... well, Chevchenko, basically (and gratz to him, must have been a tough tournament). Shall I compare Brazil and Ukraine? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif
At least, when we were struggling against Portugal, you were facing Germany, finally one of the big contender for final.
I hope this "Italy played more matches against tougher teams whilst France had too many "easy" games in this tournament" was just irony.
Placebo
Jul 10 2006, 09:06
At the end of the day, the most important thing is that I won the prediction league! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif
whisper
Jul 10 2006, 09:12
Time to start the Euro thread?
Next match for it for us frenchies is... against Italy http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Igor Drukov
Jul 10 2006, 09:39
Thank God the brainless waving of nationalistic flags is drawing to a close... There was probably as little, if not less, fair-play on these forums, as in the WC...
Anyway, congratulations to Italy, and especially to Cannavaro and Buffon, arguably the best players of the competition.
Hats off to les Bleus too : they can be proud, they're leaving Germany undefeated.
How ironic it is that Zidane's unacceptable gesture was noticed, not by any of the three refs on the field, but by the fourth one on his TV... Could that be the sign of a move towards the much-needed reform in refereeing ? After all, the refereeing in this final was as flawless as it could get (regardless of the second penalty France deserved, but heh ! that's fate, that's life...), but still not as perfect as it ought to be...
I love this game, and I'd like to react to people that say that the show in this WC wasn't good, or that the final was boring, or that defensive teams kill football.
I'm afraid this approach to football reeks of consumerism. Go down that road, and for the sake of a good show, we'll wind up enlarging nets and scrapping offside rules as suggested here (http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/lovely-game-but-badly-in-need-of-serious-reform/2006/06/26/1151174130012.html?page=2) ; we've already gone too far down that road, as players are just plainly exhausted in spite of them being doped to their nails.
I recommend we be more responsible : yesterday's final was boring ? I thought it a tremendous battle of tired fighters under the most demanding pressure. And as in great battles, it's the weight of a blade of grass that tipped the balance on one side.
Defensive teams kill football ? Defensive playing makes the most of what football has to offer in terms of tactics ; besides, as Chris Death has argued before, it's about winning, not putting up a good show. I found it beautiful to see Italy defend and attack as one, especially in the semis against Germany.
All in all, football is one of the sports that raises the most passions. I really think we yield to the dark side of those passions too much, to the expense of what makes it - should make it - marvellous : tactics, agility, fluidity, suspense... and fair-play, from players and supporters alike.
Espectro
Jul 10 2006, 10:01
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About Zidane, he doesn't deserve any excuses ! Even if you can imagine a little racist offense from a player from Lazio di Roma (Remember Di Canio, each time he putted a goal (just type Di canio in google pictures) or Roma Ultra supporters making monkey song each time Black players taked the Ball...)
Please, don't insult my favourite player!!
Di Canio for what I have seen never ever showed any racist act against any player. A fascist != racist...
And he only showed his beliefs http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif Great man indeed.
PS: For those that don't know "!=" means "not equal"
df2dpxs
Jul 10 2006, 10:18
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200501/r38377_96306.jpg
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/12/20/paulodicanio_wideweb__470x365,0.jpg
Congratulations : Nice beliefs, great player
But sorry for be out of the subject, as di canio was out of subject on the playground. Or maybe out of time ?
Albert Schweitzer
Jul 10 2006, 10:23
Zidane was voted best player of the World Cup and I am okay with that. Leaving his behaviour aside (for which he paid and probably will) he outperformed most oponents he encountered. World Class!
BTW: I just love Ronaldo for his stuntman action!
http://www.theimageplace.net/uploads/76deb035e6.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Yes nice beliefs http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
He is free to express them as he wish, as Henry is able to wear Che Guevara shirts or Miccoli even have his face tatooed on his leg/right leg.
Now, doing the roman salute, symbol of the Fascio party doesn't make him a racist!
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Thank God the brainless waving of nationalistic flags is drawing to a close... There was probably as little, if not less, fair-play on these forums, as in the WC...
Anyway, congratulations to Italy, and especially to Cannavaro and Buffon, arguably the best players of the competition.
Hats off to les Bleus too : they can be proud, they're leaving Germany undefeated.
How ironic it is that Zidane's unacceptable gesture was noticed, not by any of the three refs on the field, but by the fourth one on his TV... Could that be the sign of a move towards the much-needed reform in refereeing ? After all, the refereeing in this final was as flawless as it could get (regardless of the second penalty France deserved, but heh ! that's fate, that's life...), but still not as perfect as it ought to be...
I love this game, and I'd like to react to people that say that the show in this WC wasn't good, or that the final was boring, or that defensive teams kill football.
I'm afraid this approach to football reeks of consumerism. Go down that road, and for the sake of a good show, we'll wind up enlarging nets and scrapping offside rules as suggested here (http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/lovely-game-but-badly-in-need-of-serious-reform/2006/06/26/1151174130012.html?page=2) ; we've already gone too far down that road, as players are just plainly exhausted in spite of them being doped to their nails.
I recommend we be more responsible : yesterday's final was boring ? I thought it a tremendous battle of tired fighters under the most demanding pressure. And as in great battles, it's the weight of a blade of grass that tipped the balance on one side.
Defensive teams kill football ? Defensive playing makes the most of what football has to offer in terms of tactics ; besides, as Chris Death has argued before, it's about winning, not putting up a good show. I found it beautiful to see Italy defend and attack as one, especially in the semis against Germany.
All in all, football is one of the sports that raises the most passions. I really think we yield to the dark side of those passions too much, to the expense of what makes it - should make it - marvellous : tactics, agility, fluidity, suspense... and fair-play, from players and supporters alike.
Nice overview of the WC2006 mate, nice one http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Messiah
Jul 10 2006, 10:34
I doubt henry wears the che guevera shirt due to any beliefs of communism and revolution... its more likely to be out of fashion... I've got a che guevera poster in my room, and I'm hardly a communist or a revolutionary
Yes... but if you are allowed to wear/have/use a symbol of an ideology (unfortunetly badly used nowadays).
I ask... why can't Di Canio show his?
But enough of off-topic http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/icon_rolleyes.gif
Messiah
Jul 10 2006, 10:39
hehehe, i wasnt disputing either footballers' right to do it, just pointing out that they do it for entirely different reasons
Yes nice beliefs http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
He is free to express them as he wish, as Henry is able to wear Che Guevara shirts or Miccoli even have his face tatooed on his leg/right leg.
Now, doing the roman salute, symbol of the Fascio party doesn't make him a racist!
There's a slight difference between Che and the "roman salute". http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
Good to hear Zidane had a last honour.
Placebo
Jul 10 2006, 10:52
Espectro you're not new here, so how can you not know you're breaking the rules hotlinking a 400kb gif?
Everyone stick on topic please, this thread is the world cup thread, discussions about Di Canio are not related here, continuing off topic will deem the world cup thread complete as with the tournament itself, else the thread can remain for a couple more days.
Zidane's 6 hit combo...
567k (but worth it):
http://www.theimageplace.net/uploads/6eceb1099a.gif
ProfTournesol
Jul 10 2006, 10:55
I'm sad that France lost this final, but the French penalty wasn't really deserved - the fault on Malouda wasn't that obvious - , so congratulation to Italy, France - Italy are always incredible matches with lot's of unexpected events ! Sad for Zidane, ending his great career on such an unbelievable "coup de tęte", he was the captain of our team, representing our country, he just cannot act like this http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/banghead.gif
I hope that it wasn't because he learnt that ArmA is delayed until 2010... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Albert Schweitzer
Jul 10 2006, 10:58
I have more of it
http://www.users.on.net/~madmike/images/posts/zidane/zidane-hammer.gif
http://www.users.on.net/~madmike/images/posts/zidane/zidane-cannon.gif
For me this is the best http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif
http://imagesocket.com/images/zidane29b.gif
What a night!
People get out of head here where I live, the roads was clunged by cars, trucks and even bulldozers full of mads.
I saw guys jumping from 5 meters high using italian flags as parachutes, a couple of undressed girls running and jumping everywhere kissing guys and even girls (no photos sorry http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif ), beer and wine like rain.....no words can describe what I've seen, really!
Personally I've still got a terrible headhace and today is a terrible day at work but:
I CAMPIONI DEL MONDO SIAMO NOI!
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif
Klavan
Espectro
Jul 10 2006, 11:10
Espectro you're not new here, so how can you not know you're breaking the rules hotlinking a 400kb gif?
Everyone stick on topic please, this thread is the world cup thread, discussions about Di Canio are not related here, continuing off topic will deem the world cup thread complete as with the tournament itself, else the thread can remain for a couple more days.
Ah crap, sorry... I got caught in my own enthusiasm... The pic is just so god damn funny http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Sanctuary
Jul 10 2006, 11:43
If what i read about the "incident" in which Materazzi is supposed to have insulted his mother is exact, i doubt anyone would have acted differently than Zidane, as in the same situation mostly everyone with some honour would have done the same in the team.
Before being a sport machine that are deaf to any totally anti-sportive aggression, people are people and it seems some are forgetting this.
That's certainly why none in the french team was angry against Zidane, as they perfectly know they would have done the same in this situation.
Materazzi was lucky it was Zidane, as someone less gentleman would have certainly headbutted him directly in the face.
But over than that, from my point of view, it was certainly the worst world cup in term of referees.
I wonder how the fifa made their selection this year to designate who were supposed to be the best referees in the world to make this event "fair".
But this year the fifa guys were certainly drunk, as in -every- matches i saw in this WC there was a ton of referee errors or blindness.
It is just not possible all those referees were the best for this event, i have watched a lot better referees in several european cups matches.
So overall, there were some great players in all the different nations, but no great referees this year.
I hope the fifa standard for world cup refereeing will improve a lot, enough of all those errors and blindness.
And some are wondering why players can lose their control, when referees are just not seeing obvious faults.
Can't wait for the rugby world cup with real referees.
Still waiting for an analysis from someone who can read do lipreading and speaks italian, that would be the ultimate in video-analysis... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/help.gif
Albert Schweitzer
Jul 10 2006, 12:10
http://tonaz.altervista.org/zidane.swf http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Berghoff
Jul 10 2006, 13:25
Oh dear, http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif I think it gets a bit overdone now.
The refree didn't give two penalties to the french because he didn't want to give more then one on the final game.
Well if he did that, he was wrong. France should have had 2 penalties. Actually, I belived the first penalty was a dive, but after the match they finally managed to show that it wasn't. And the second one was quite clearly a penalty.
Quote[/b] ]That's what I like in Materazzi, besides being a great defender, a good header, he can also f*** up your mind all game long. He just provokes to the end http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
Honestly, I don't understand how you can fancy a player because of THAT? I mean, I would understand that you liked him because he was good, but liking him partly because he is a total asshole is...well...strange... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif
Quote[/b] ]At the end of the day, the most important thing is that I won the prediction league! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif
We let you win... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/icon_rolleyes.gif
Quote[/b] ]Zidane was voted best player of the World Cup and I am okay with that. Leaving his behaviour aside (for which he paid and probably will) he outperformed most oponents he encountered. World Class!
Actually I don't think Zidane was playing so good. Would rather see cannavaro win, because IMO he was better. Zidane played better than what he's done the last few years, but he wasn't even close to being as good as he has been (Last time I've actually seen Zidane play really well was in the CL final when Real beat Leverkausen I think).
Quote[/b] ]I'm sad that France lost this final, but the French penalty wasn't really deserved - the fault on Malouda wasn't that obvious
It wasn't intentional, but he was fouled inside the box, so the penalty was clear. Took some time before the I got to see some good pictures of it though, so you may not have seen them.
Quote[/b] ]If what i read about the "incident" in which Materazzi is supposed to have insulted his mother is exact, i doubt anyone would have acted differently than Zidane, as in the same situation mostly everyone with some honour would have done the same in the team.
He should still have acted differently. He's so experienced and he's the captain, he should really have the self-dicipline to keep his head when it's the WC final. I understand that he did it, because Materazzi is a piece of shit (IMO), but he should have kept cool and rather give him a good kick after the match. And if he just had to do in the match, he should at least have done something worse, like kicking him in the nuts or headbutt him in the face http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif
Garcia, I like him for his skill of course.
Him and Cannavaro are one of the best central defender double I ever seen.
But one thing I like in him too are his psychological games. I agree he sometimes is like an animal, what gave him the "Beast" or "Animal" nickname in the Calcio, but still... never saw a defender that could "chew" your mind in such way.
But he is a great player, skillfull, physically and psychologically as he prooved in the final by his goal and many long passes to Toni.
Well good thing, almost started thinking you like an asshole because he was an asshole http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
whisper
Jul 10 2006, 13:48
Nesta - Cannavaro is better imho.
If you have to rely on insults on the field, something is wrong. Just shows other part of your playing are going down.
See Cannavaro. He's done everything perfectly (or almost) throughout the whole tournament, and has never gone that down.
(mind you that's not excusing Zidane gesture at all, just.... this kind of behavior is NOT football)
See also Thuram, perfect defense in the latest matches, and nothing dirty made.
Quote[/b] ]Well good thing, almost started thinking you like an asshole because he was an asshole http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Espectro
Jul 10 2006, 15:48
This is football, professional football. Whatever he said to Zidane, Zidane should never go down to that level.
As a professional player, you would expect Zidane to hold himself, and do whatever he have to AFTER the game. Very bad behavior by him, and he should be glad that was the final game, since I think he should be suspended because of that.
Violence is NOT part of the game. Regardless how old you or your mother are http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Peace
whisper
Jul 10 2006, 16:03
Of course. There's no excusing Zidane's behavior.
But I can't see how using verbal abuse as a way to win is nicely playing football, can you?
It is easy to write, sat comfortably in front of your PC, having a cold soft drink or a beer "Oh no, violence is naughty, you shouldn't strike the naughty taunter and keep your nerves cool" if somebody told you when already under pressure things like :
- your mother/sister is a whore thus you are a bastard sub-human
- you are a muslim thus you are a terrorist
- you are a jew thus you are a palestinian children killer
Or whatever would touch you hardly more than you could imagine.
Nevertheless, this affair only currently is about one particular italian player http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/pistols.gif , neither others serious and victorious italian players (like Buffon http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif ) nor the Italian people. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/inlove.gif
Of course. There's no excusing Zidane's behavior.
But I can't see how using verbal abuse as a way to win is nicely playing football, can you?
IMO verbal abuse can be as bad as violent behaviour. At least when it comes to Materazzis, so he probably deserved it, but Zidane shouldn't have done what he did anyway. Though Materazzi should probably have gotten a red if the ref just had some way to know what he said.
Hang on, none of us surely know what he said, how can we be making judgements?
Still waiting for an analysis from someone who can read do lipreading and speaks italian, that would be the ultimate in video-analysis... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/help.gif
It's still not clear here in Italy about what Materazzi said to Zidane, there are rumors about words like terrorist and doped (referred to an old scandal when he was a Juventus player).
Btw Materazzi is well know in Italy both as good defender and a b****d. He usually hit hard and unfair expecially during the matches against Milan AC ( http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/inlove.gif ): Shevchenko and Inzaghi often gets injured when playing against him.....
Klavan
It is easy to write, sat comfortably in front of your PC, having a cold soft drink or a beer "Oh no, violence is naughty, you shouldn't strike the naughty taunter and keep your nerves cool" if somebody told you when already under pressure things like :
- your mother/sister is a whore thus you are a bastard sub-human
- you are a muslim thus you are a terrorist
- you are a jew thus you are a palestinian children killer
Or whatever would touch you hardly more than you could imagine.
Nevertheless, this affair only currently is about one particular italian player http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/pistols.gif , neither others serious and victorious italian players (like Buffon http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif ) nor the Italian people. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/inlove.gif
Of course it's easy or us to say that he should have acted otherwise, but still I've played football, I've been in that kind of situations (though not in the WC and probably not that bad verbal abuse), but I got some idea of how it is, and I know that he should have been able to control himself. It's just plain BS to say that everyone would have done the same. Many would, but everyone do have the choice to act otherwise, and a person who have been in the game for ages and been in these kinds of situations before and that know that these kinds of things are usual in football should be professional enough to keep his head and not headbutt him.
Quote[/b] ]Hang on, none of us surely know what he said, how can we be making judgements?
Come on, if you were in the WC final and were the captain on your team, you wouldn't headbutt another player because he said "You butt looks bad" or "You're really crap playing football". Materazzi is known for being a total ass and say a lot of bad things, so either Zidane must have very little selfdicipline, or Materazzi said something extremly bad to him...seeing Materazzis bad history with verbal abuse, I'll lean towards him being the bad guy and Zidane being the stupid guy doing a stupid thing.
Espectro
Jul 10 2006, 16:45
Hang on, none of us surely know what he said, how can we be making judgements?
I don't care what he said.
I am still against what Zidane did whatever the guy told him. He should learn self-control, which is one of the most important things to become a good sportsman. Too bad it's too late for him.
A violent act like he did should result in that he could not be the man of the match/competition. No matter how well he played in the other matches.
Verbal provocation is one way to put your opponent under stress. Sure, he probably didn't say nice things. But what is the matter of oral communication? He could just say something back or simply ignore him focusing on the game which he is PAYED to do.
deanosbeano
Jul 10 2006, 16:50
He allegedly said "you dont know how to headbutt ,comapred to figo and c.ronaldo,you are like a woman"
so he turned round and proved it.
He allegedly said "you dont know how to headbutt ,comapred to figo and c.ronaldo,you are like a woman"
so he turned round and proved it.
I really doubt he said that, if he did, then Zidane needs some self-control. That is not even an insult...
Igor Drukov
Jul 10 2006, 16:56
He allegedly said "you dont know how to headbutt ,comapred to figo and c.ronaldo,you are like a woman"
so he turned round and proved it.
Where did you get that from ? French sources (http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/sport/20060710.FAP8263.html?1103) report his cousin saying that ZZ was called a "terrorist". But that isn't sure either.
whisper
Jul 10 2006, 17:07
Verbal provocation is one way to put your opponent under stress.
Well, sorry but I can't find that anything remotly correct when playing sport. You see, sportsmanship, blabla, everything you state when talking about self-control, etc... Why make an exception for verbal abuse? There is no reason
My point was that until any of you know what the Italian guy whose name i cant spell said, how can you be judging anything??
Chris Death
Jul 10 2006, 18:07
Well - i'm back from being shocked - not about the resultat
but about the last minutes of the final.
First off i must say - congrats to Italy for the Victory
(even if you didn't deserved it http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/mad_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif ).
@<hidden> - we will speak later on the construction site http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
ka**o di mare adriatico http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif (this one is just for Klavan,
even if any italian will understand, but there's lil bit
more in the message and not a personal attack). http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
It was a game without a winner and it was even more closer
in the penalty shooting at the end - Trezeguet's penalty
wasn't much more far than Zizou's, which was a goal. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Italy deserved the win because they scored one more penalty
and they were one more on the field at the end.
This takes me to the point: Zidane
You/We/I/whoever can say 1000's of times that Zidane should
not act like this - everybody will be right in that case - it's
just sports and should stay on sports level with fair sportmanship. Zidane should stay kewl and calm down whatever the provocation was.
...But - one thing doesn't wan't get out of my brain:
France was not behind in score - the game was still open.
So no way to say: he gave up and chilled out for show, or
because there was no substitute left.
Everything was possible until the very last penalty shot at
given time.
Whatever Materazzi said to Zidane - i'm in no doubt that
Materazzi didn't deserve (moralic view) what he got from
Zizou.
Well, Zidane got his Red at the end - he lost his last game
due to his own fault (blackout).
But i don't think that it was necessary to provocate a player,
which is known in Italy aswell to sometimes have a blackout
in a game like this one - his last one - he was being loved
in Italy aswell (ok - maybe lil bit more around Torino) but
in no way i expected before that somebody will try to provocate him to do anything bad. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif
And another thing which makes me confused:
The knockdown of Materazzi was recogniced by the 4th
referee on his TV. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif
And? - i mean there were for sure lot's of scenes being
noticed by the 4th ref on his TV (like goals or dives or fouls).
But nothing of that did change the referee's decision on the
field.
Once more - i don't want make discussion about wether he
deserved the red or not - he did. But there's a little bit unfairness in that only one case, where the decision was
made over TV - even if it will be a must in following tournaments to implement the TV's.
~S~ CD
@<hidden> - we will speak later on the construction site http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
ka**o di mare adriatico http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif (this one is just for Klavan,
even if any italian will understand, but there's lil bit
more in the message and not a personal attack). http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
You're on the right way to get an Italian passport, lol! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/welcome.gif
Let me ideally offer to you a beer, maybe two.
Have I to expect an easter egg? It's ok for me, do what you want. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Klavan
Sanctuary
Jul 10 2006, 18:24
The problem, if you watch the whole video is a referee problem :
Materazzi just catched Zidane, and prevented him to move with his arms.
The main referee , neither the 2 other lines referee said anything despite it was not something 'hidden' that none could notice, then 10 seconds later , the headbutt.
If the 3 referees were not that blind, or just applied the most basic football rule, the main referee would have whistled for this obvious fault.
No red/yellow cards, no verbal provocations, no headbutts would have then followed if the referees would have done the job they are paid for.
But that's not just this specific final, as during the whole world cup you could notice the same kind of unsanctionned faults repeated in several matches i watched. If even the referee can't make the football rules to be respected, how can you expect the players respecting it when some of them can cheat/make fault without a problem for them ?
I am sure if the referees had been better, not half of the yellow/red cards from the whole World Cup would have been given, as when a player notice the referee doesn't give a damn on making football rules to be respected, situation always degenerate because of frustration, that's just being human to be frustrated by accumulated unfair situation not being sanctionned.
Certainly referees are just human too, but there are some excellent referees and not very good ones.
Why the not very good ones were the designated world cup referees, this is what i would like the fifa to explain.
VISTREL
Jul 10 2006, 18:29
Zidane reminds of Agent 47 from Hitman game. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
Sanctuary
Jul 10 2006, 18:30
At least he didn't used a piano string
Espectro
Jul 10 2006, 20:54
Youve seen it on TV
Now you can play the game!
http://tonaz.altervista.org/zidane.html
mp_phonix
Jul 10 2006, 20:58
Youve seen it on TV
Now you can play the game!
http://tonaz.altervista.org/zidane.html
LoL
It's only been 24 hours and allready somebody made a game :-P
stainer
Jul 10 2006, 21:42
According to the BBC, the final comments made by the Italian were: "I hope your family die a horrible death" (bearing in mind that Zidane's mother is in hospital), then said "F**k off!".
I'm not saying this is defintiely what was said, but it was just reported on the BBC.
According to the BBC, the final comments made by the Italian were: "I hope your family die a horrible death" (bearing in mind that Zidane's mother is in hospital), then said "F**k off!".
I'm not saying this is defintiely what was said, but it was just reported on the BBC.
If so, Italy should be proud of Materazzi the holy heroe, the one who threw out Zidane the Apocalypse Beast http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
stainer
Jul 10 2006, 22:10
Well I got that from a BBC interview with an Italian lip-reader, I'm not saying it's true, but that's what I heard.
Other sources have said that it was an insult against his Algerian roots.
Maybe Materazzi has the Gilles de la Tourette Syndrome, so that he can't control himself uttering taunts to other beings. http://yelims3.free.fr/Hopital/Hopital19.gif
Should we organize a huge Materazzithon, so that Resarch would make big progress in order to cure this illness ? http://yelims3.free.fr/Hopital/Hopital14.gif
http://yelims.free.fr/CoupeDuMonde/Foot02.gif Whatever, warmly congratulations Italia, and see you soon on September http://yelims.free.fr/CoupeDuMonde/Foot17.gif
Note for the french coach : add to the training program for the further matches =>
- resistance to taunting training
- Ultimate taunting against taunters training http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Still no ihatematerazzi.com? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
The italian patient... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5142970568688502787&q=materazzi) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Sanctuary
Jul 10 2006, 23:11
Already done
http://www.weallhate-materazzi.com (http://www.care-bears.com/CareBears/html/index.html)
blackjack[VS]
Jul 11 2006, 02:05
jeeeez!! materazzi is a killer! no idea that he beats like that. so i presume that referee gave zidane a red, just to protect zidane integrety against materazzi...cant image what he would do to zizou after the headknock. maybe a bycicleshot in the throat?...grab zizou balls until he goes purple?! lucky zizou i must say!!
those kicks to shevechenko/inzaghi/rui costa are still hurting me..
df2dpxs
Jul 11 2006, 07:55
Now the dark side of my mind regret that Zizou didn't Kick him before the goal, in his butcher's head http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/pistols.gif
The italian patient... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5142970568688502787&q=materazzi) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
OMG. How can they let such idiots play... ah well, he's a world champion now, later generations will forget about the rest http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Major Fubar
Jul 11 2006, 09:22
Well, the Cup is finished for another 4 years...congrats to the winners, commiserations to the losers...
...I think this can be locked now before we stray any further offtopic. Keep an eye out for the World Cup 2010 thread. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
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