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Heatseeker
Jun 26 2006, 17:11
Bah, the Dutch performance and "tactic" killed the match, not the referee.
Their tactic was to defend, bruise someone (Ronaldo was deliberate) out of the game to mess the oponent team and do their poorly executed counter atacks, if you think a team playing like that deserved to win your mad, they were the ones who started playing rough, Portugal started well but were forced to play at the oponents low standard level, if the match played out properly Portugal would have won 2-1 or 3-1 easily.
This crap match will with no doubts have a bad impact on the portuguese performance against the brits. I still think Portugal-England will be a good match though http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif .
karantan
Jun 26 2006, 17:11
I'm just lost for words ,,, this isn't happening, it's just too sur-real.
Well, the only thing I liked in this match is how Hiddink has immidiately reacted on the (undeserved) expulsion (some managers can't even comprehend that they have an extra player in such ocasions), and transfered to 3-4-3 system, and in 80 min. with Aloisi in to 3-3-4! But ,,, their attacks were sooooooooo slow, so sterile, always thru the middle ,,, and where is Kewell, where is Cennedy, for god sake Gus ? ? ?
The ref? No comment ...
PainDealer
Jun 26 2006, 17:11
@<hidden>: Havent seen it from the beginning but if they played from the start like they did in the 70th minute i´ll guess they were just exhausted. Todays weather is´nt hot but the humidity really get´s you, every move is too much..
If they were exhausted it must have been from the warm up or then they've done serious drinking yesterday. This all just makes me wonder why the hell people can't play football like they played 20 years ago. Maybe it's just the money they get from the leagues and can't risk themselves. Would be a disaster to get injured and not paid...
Thunderbird
Jun 26 2006, 17:15
Quote[/b] ]Seriously, I agree with those who say that both the teams played an horrible match, but after all the whole quality of this Championship is below the lowest expected level.
I disagree, several matches were great, I would say almost all of them were very good, maybe some of them sounded a bit boring, but you have to know that these players are human and they are affected by the heat, especially when they play at 5:00 PM.
If you watch carefully the difference between matches that are played at 9:00 PM and those played at 5:00, you would notice that those 9:00 PM matches are more spectacular, and less boring than 5:00 PM ones.
Concerning the match between Italy and Australia, I think that both of them played very well, they defended quite well and they did their best, even if the red card wasn't deserved, and the same goes to the penalty, but italians held very well against aussies and they deserve to get further.
Regards
Thunderbird84
karantan
Jun 26 2006, 17:18
Well, the Italians just play football on such way; they're 'killing' the game for all 90 mins, hoping they'll score somehow. But if they don't, it's OK, we didn't receive a goal also, that's how they're thinking and acting. Like today.
Shite win for Italy, they did in no way deserve to come out at the winning end.
PainDealer
Jun 26 2006, 17:23
I disagree, several matches were great, I would say almost all of them were very good, maybe some of them sounded a bit boring, but you have to know that these players are human and they are affected by the heat, especially when they play at 5:00 PM.
So now the heat becomes a problem? Those guys play for living! I'm sure they're more than used to playing in "a bit warmer" climate. I'd consider it no excuse. If I'm not terribly wrong the -94 final was played in Dallas in the middle of summer and it should be hot as hell there. Still the players put effort in the match and it's one of the best 120min matches I've ever seen, even with no goals scored.
whisper
Jun 26 2006, 17:24
Today's temperature was 24°C. Hardly too hot.
Well, the Italians just play football on such way; they're 'killing' the game for all 90 mins, hoping they'll score somehow. But if they don't, it's OK, we didn't receive a goal also, that's how they're thinking and acting. Like today.
I agree, Italy don't play spectacular, they never played spectacular from when football was invented. That's one of the reasons form my semi-non-existant love for this team.
Btw you can't imagine the pressure here in Italy, football journalists are like sharks in my country, when they smell the blood they attack without mercy and often without a cause. They aren't capable of joy for victory but are specialists in demagogy and are all excellent coaches.....None here in Italy can do his job under these conditions. It's really insane.
And worst, they're bad loosers.
Klavan
Postduifje
Jun 26 2006, 17:33
yep, especially for people from Australia or Italy, they have to be used to something... It's just the way Italy plays. They play extremely defensive to start with, so with one man off they just block the match and make football impossible, hoping for one moment in a counter.
well, with all these teams going thru I really don't like, I'm actually starting to become a fan of.... Germany! Go Mannschaft, zum Weltmeistershaft! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
well, with all these teams going thru I really don't like, I'm actually starting to become a fan of.... Germany! Go Mannschaft, zum Weltmeistershaft! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
So ein Schuft! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
Usually I have the same reasons as klavan for my "semi-non-existant love" for the German team, the only exception was last year's Confed Cup, they really played well. But now, after NL is out, let's see. I'm for the team that plays the most attractive football, so currently Argentina or Spain http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif But no, not Spain. Ghana! Go Ghana! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
karantan
Jun 26 2006, 17:47
Because my nation is not on WC I'm for ,,, good and quality football, the first stage was enjoyable, but not much luck in second stage ,,, but I'm still the optimist. My heart is more and more for Spain. I also like how Germany plays, especially their last game; they looks dangerous out there, and surely they mean business!
*edit*
Btw you can't imagine the pressure here in Italy, football journalists are like sharks in my country, when they smell the blood they attack without mercy and often without a cause. They aren't capable of joy for victory but are specialists in demagogy and are all excellent coaches.....None here in Italy can do his job under these conditions. It's really insane.
And worst, they're bad loosers.
In fact, I am to some extend familiar with that situation in Italy, and I fully understand what do you mean, but still ,,, this should be no excuse for 'charising' such tactic in football, neither in National Squad, and even less in your League.
In fact, I am to some extend familiar with that situation in Italy, and I fully understand what do you mean, but still ,,, this should be no excuse for 'charising' such tactic in football, neither in National Squad, and even less in your League.
You're perfectly right, the main problem here in Italy is that football is perceived by people (both by supporters, players and by all those who "works" in this field) as the primary, real and unique national interest for my s****y country. They aren't able to play (or even to think about of) football for joy and fun, it's all a matter of politics, money and fame. The final result came first and it must be positive, otherwise.......it's simply a national disaster!
If you're informed about the scandal that is sinking or football system you should be able to fully understand what I mean.....
It's so sad for me...... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
Klavan
Mr Burns
Jun 26 2006, 18:16
@<hidden>: Havent seen it from the beginning but if they played from the start like they did in the 70th minute i´ll guess they were just exhausted. Todays weather is´nt hot but the humidity really get´s you, every move is too much..
If they were exhausted it must have been from the warm up or then they've done serious drinking yesterday. This all just makes me wonder why the hell people can't play football like they played 20 years ago. Maybe it's just the money they get from the leagues and can't risk themselves. Would be a disaster to get injured and not paid...
Agree with ya on the money thing.
Being born in ´82 i don´t have a good picture of the situation back then but common sense brings the thought that one million+ wages (well, turkish lira maybe http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif ) weren´t paid so the players who actually got into their national roster didn´t play for the bucks but for their country!
They really sould remember that they´re actually sportsmen and not filmstars, start focussing on their training and not make one ad/interview after another.
That being said, go Germany http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
karantan
Jun 26 2006, 18:21
If you're informed about the scandal that is sinking or football system you should be able to fully understand what I mean.....
It's so sad for me...... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
Yes, I'm informed. Maybe now will come to some catarse in your football or something.
Anyway, you have my symphaties, dude. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif
(well, turkish lira maybe http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif )
Tsts, they had a currency reform in 2005, one Lira is now ~60 cent... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
@<hidden>: What's the current state of "your" scandal? Juve, Roma, AC in the 4th league? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
FriketMonkey
Jun 26 2006, 19:18
Well I hope England beats the crap out of Portugal. Call me a sore loser, but when I noticed Portugal disagreed with a red card I went nuts! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/band.gif
Well If England doesn't succeed and Portugal wins the 'Figo" kind of way. You can expect some serious riots.
Anyway, hope the referee doesn't use his automatic yellow card function this match!
May the best team win!
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PainDealer
Jun 26 2006, 20:11
Well I hope England beats the crap out of Portugal. Call me a sore loser, but when I noticed Portugal disagreed with a red card I went nuts! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/band.gif
Well If England doesn't succeed and Portugal wins the 'Figo" kind of way. You can expect some serious riots.
Anyway, hope the referee doesn't use his automatic yellow card function this match!
May the best team win!
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Comparing those two teams by their effort I'd say Portugal should advance easily enough. England is yet to show what they're capable of and if they don't do it against Portugal they can start booking tickets back home.
Placebo
Jun 26 2006, 20:41
@<hidden> June 26 2006,15:05)]well i'm kinda of surprised that we gathered such a united group of "enemys"
Play fair, and win, lose, draw nobody will have anything but respect for the team, dive and cheat and people will quite rightly be unhappy, can you put your hand on your heart and say that the Portuguese team don't cheat? Don't dive? Don't feign injury when tackled?
With a totally undeserved red card that had left us in 10 men. Obviuosly the ref was drunk.
Anyway:
Klavan
Actually FIFA made it very clear before the start of the world cup that "lunging" at an opponent, even if you miss the opponent is a straight red card.....
http://football.guardian.co.uk/worldcup2006/story/0,,1791137,00.html
http://www.fifa2006worldcup.org/fifanew....up.html (http://www.fifa2006worldcup.org/fifanews/players-who-lunge-will-get-stright-red-at-world-cup.html)
The incident by the Italian player was a clear example of such a lunge and was rightly a red card.
I'm all for refs being criticised, but only when the criticism is actually correct http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
I disagree, several matches were great, I would say almost all of them were very good, maybe some of them sounded a bit boring, but you have to know that these players are human and they are affected by the heat, especially when they play at 5:00 PM.
So now the heat becomes a problem? Those guys play for living! I'm sure they're more than used to playing in "a bit warmer" climate.
Maybe you can run around for 90 minutes, lose 5kg of your body weight in moisture during that time (all under direct sunlight) and still give a supreme performance? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
For the England team it's only one small factor to explain their crapness, most of it is down to tactics, team selection & coach, but playing in 90f (32c) when you're certainly not used to it from playing in England will have an impact.
@<hidden>: What's the current state of "your" scandal? Juve, Roma, AC in the 4th league? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Juve: risks to be kicked in 3rd league + 6 to 9 points of penalization and last two "Scudetti" removed and reassigned
Lazio & Fiorentina: risks to be kicked in 2nd league + 6 to 9 points of penalization
Milan: risks to be kicked in 2nd league (quite low risk) + 6 to 9 points of penalization
@<hidden>
I've seen several time that foul (because it was a foul, no doubt) and I'm still unconvinced of the decision took by the ref. The defender had no intention to tackle opponent's legs and there weren't no clear goal occasion. The intervention was taken from the side and not from the back. The intervention was'nt even a "two-footed tackle".
No violence in that intervention.
I can't see the reason for a red card. Ok for a yellow card but not for a red one.
My opinion, nothing more.
Klavan
blackjack[VS]
Jun 26 2006, 22:02
i dont like to play the portuguese targete here, but of course i have to defend my team, specially when they are been called unfair names. i hope that my love for my team, doesnt makes me think stupid or get blind!! but the english reaction in this forum to the holand game is similar to the general uk reaction. i just couldnt believe when i read today that english federation asked fifa to punish figo for his header on the dutch guy. lets not focus in this particular situation (the game had equal or more severe situations). its just the atitute!! i just can find 1 word to describe it...FEAR!! like i told and i'll repeat, i just dont care who wins. if englands beats our ass i'll be the 1st to congratulate. if they lose i'll be the 1st to congrat portugal.
i wouldnt find weird if it was holand asking, but come on!!
i agree portugal havent played what they can/know so far. i was expecting diferent match agains holand, but it almost became that semifinal on euro2000 against france.
so i only expect my players to galvanize themselfes to next saturday. if that happens i hope to see many of u guys changing opinions...we never won anything, so we have the right to really want a cup.but that doesnt makes us cheaters or actors. cant remind many matches that we won for cheating. probably u have dozens, but hey, thats past tense.
karantan
Jun 26 2006, 22:06
I've seen several time that foul (because it was a foul, no doubt) and I'm still unconvinced of the decision took by the ref. The defender had no intention to tackle opponent's legs and there weren't no clear goal occasion. The intervention was taken from the side and not from the back. The intervention was'nt even a "two-footed tackle".
No violence in that intervention.
I can't see the reason for a red card. Ok for a yellow card but not for a red one.
Quite.
Quote[/b] ]My opinion, nothing more.
And the right one.
About the Ukraine - Swiss game: a good game with a good tempo, heck, Ukrains had even tried with pressing on the whole terrain couple of times, tactically interesting, but surprisingly the Swiss selector didn't reacted on the fact that Ukraine had played with only one attacker; they stay playing with four defenders in the last line. What both teams don't have is creativity e.g. they missing a creative player(s) in the middle, which made those crucial moves and passes, which usually decide the game. And as we all know, the penalty shooting is a lottery.
I'm predicting that Ukraine with such tactic will be an easy prey in their next game.
VISTREL
Jun 26 2006, 22:43
Im happy to see my homeland, Ukraine, go into 1/4th for the first time in history http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif Even though that game sucked, still, it's a victory...lots of vodka is going to be poured this evening http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
USSRsniper
Jun 27 2006, 02:58
Can't wait for Ukraine vs. Italy game, i hope Ukraine is not going to loose this one http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif
Ex-RoNiN
Jun 27 2006, 07:15
Can't wait for Ukraine vs. Italy game, i hope Ukraine is not going to loose this one http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif
Shevchenko knows how to take apart Italian defences, should be very interesting indeed http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif
Messiah
Jun 27 2006, 07:28
very true, although one man doesnt win and entire football match - i hope the ukraine get futher, its fun to see a team that doesnt normally do so well get this far.
Chris Death
Jun 27 2006, 09:04
Well, Ukraine vs Swiss was indeed missing something - ah yeah the goals.
I saw it lil bit that way, that for both was clear the oponent
is a beatable team but so are they themselves - and one of
those two had to come into the next round for sure.
It looked a little bit like: just not get kicked outt'a the cup.
But to be honest it wasn't a boring game it's just been missing
the goals but one of the better 0:0.
btw - to me the foul in minute 93 wasn't one in italy vs aussie
An italian falls over an australian who was just laying in front
of him - happens usually in the sandbox on playground or
in so called "Kindergarten", when the 3 to 5 year old kids fall
over themselves http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
~S~ CD
PainDealer
Jun 27 2006, 09:42
I disagree, several matches were great, I would say almost all of them were very good, maybe some of them sounded a bit boring, but you have to know that these players are human and they are affected by the heat, especially when they play at 5:00 PM.
So now the heat becomes a problem? Those guys play for living! I'm sure they're more than used to playing in "a bit warmer" climate.
Maybe you can run around for 90 minutes, lose 5kg of your body weight in moisture during that time (all under direct sunlight) and still give a supreme performance? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
well not a supreme performance but they could at least try to make it look like football. that's something I expect from professionals.
Prediction league update http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Quote[/b] ]Pos Name Winner Po
1 Rastavovich
Czech Republic Winner: Croatia
See full predictions 60 X
2 JdB
Holland Winner: Brazil
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3 KevBaz
England Winner: England
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4 Paul
Birmingham England Winner: Korea
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4 Garcia
Tromsř Winner: Czech Rep.
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6 Klavan
Italy Winner: Brazil
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6 da12thMonkey
Shropshire, England Winner: Brazil
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6 Nataska
Czech Republic Winner: Brazil
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9 Korneel
The Netherlands Winner: Holland
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9 ScouseJedi
Liverpool, UK Winner: Germany
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11 Eivind
Lillestrřm Winner: Czech Rep. 52 X
12 Placebo
Czech Republic Winner: Brazil
See full predictions 51 X
12 ChrisUKF
Oxford,UK Winner: Brazil
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14 Stainer
England Winner: England
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15 Albert Schweitzer
Germany Winner: Holland
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15 Billybob(America #1)
United States of America Winner: USA
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15 DnA
BIS HQ Winner: Holland
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15 Thunderbird84
France Winner: France
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15 EddyBoy
England Winner: England 49 X
20 Dave
Ireland Winner: Brazil
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21 Avinash Hode
Pune Winner: Germany
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21 Master Sietse
Zwollywood Winner: Holland
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23 raedor
Germany Winner: Holland
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23 seagull
sweden Winner: Holland
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25 Postduifje
Netherlands Winner: Brazil
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25 kavoven
Germany Winner: Germany
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27 Morgan
Sweden Winner: Brazil
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27 PainDealer
Finland Winner: Argentina
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Ironsight
Jun 27 2006, 10:12
i hope the ukraine get futher, its fun to see a team that doesnt normally do so well get this far.
I heard each player is getting around 1 million euro's if they win the tournament http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/icon_rolleyes.gif
Messiah
Jun 27 2006, 11:04
nice... there's a bit of insentive for you http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
karantan
Jun 27 2006, 14:32
Quote[/b] ]Can't wait for Ukraine vs. Italy game, i hope Ukraine is not going to loose this one http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif
Well, I can 'see' two possible scenarios for this match; or it will be the most boring nad ugly match of the tournament, or Italy will make a grinded meat out of the ukrainians. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif We'll see, said the blind.
Quote[/b] ]Shevchenko knows how to take apart Italian defences, should be very interesting indeed
Shevchenko could-should take apart Swiss defence, which is btw much more softier and 'naive' than the italian's one - it's known they have one of the hardest defences of all, but ,,, he couldn't. Why? He don't receiving any useful passes, which could be turned into a goal assists; he's literally cutted off infront, and on top of it he's alone 'up there' (against Swiss they played in 4-5-1 formation).
Quote[/b] ]Well, Ukraine vs Swiss was indeed missing something - ah yeah the goals.
True, but it's not all in the goals. That's how americans looking on this (and all other) game; if there's no at least fifty such or another scores, the game is just not interesting for them. The bauty of football is also and most of all elsewhere, in the other aspects of the game but yes, the goals are those which decide, who is the winner (not necessarily the better team).
Postduifje
Jun 27 2006, 15:08
I feel kinda sorry for the Swiss team, knocked out in the second round after 4 matches in which no single goals were scored against them. It wasn't really spectacular either, so I hope they improve further and are able to show something at the next big tournament in their home country
Postduifje
Jun 27 2006, 15:48
Damn, 2-0 after terrible play by Brazil and joyful and brave play by Ghana. That last goal was pretty offside btw. Go Ghana!
whisper
Jun 27 2006, 15:50
What a shame. Twice offside, not counting the positionnal one that is not an offside anymore (which is stupid, btw)
PainDealer
Jun 27 2006, 15:55
What a shame. Twice offside, not counting the positionnal one that is not an offside anymore (which is stupid, btw)
I was just about to raise a big fuzz about that http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif but hey brazil can do what they want just cos they're brazil.
Placebo
Jun 27 2006, 15:55
Ghana don't deserve to be 2-0 down, I'd be cheering for them but I'm not allowed (Brazilian fiancée) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif
USSRsniper
Jun 27 2006, 15:58
Can't wait for Ukraine vs. Italy game, i hope Ukraine is not going to loose this one http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif
Shevchenko knows how to take apart Italian defences, should be very interesting indeed http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif
One man doesn't make difference, they need to take Italian defence as a team .
whisper
Jun 27 2006, 16:00
Well, they wouldn't be 2-0 down if they had put their occasion inside the net, which they didn't. Why aiming Dida each time? He's been incredibly lucky on the last save, the ball simply came to his foot http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
But indeed, many things seems valid probably because "hey, it's Brazil". "Kaka wouldn't come down to fall without being touched, nananah, not possible! The Ghana guys thus deserves a yellow!"
der bastler
Jun 27 2006, 16:52
These last matches were... disappointing. Teams which played good football got kicked out. Referee errors increased dramatically.
Wasted time...
Postduifje
Jun 27 2006, 16:54
well, with all these teams going thru I really don't like...
This adds another one to my list. Let's hope Spain will show something tonight, or else only Argentina and to lesser extend Germany have my sympathy. Damn it, I want to see great football!
whisper
Jun 27 2006, 16:58
It was not that bad a match, moving, going forward, with occasions. Just.... these little ref errors than kind of ruin it (well, a goal given when it should not is not a "little ref error" http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif ). Not too sure Gyan tried to simulate falling, or simply fall down, but anyway...
Enjoyable but frustrating at the same time. Better than yesterday, though, you have to admit http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
EDIT : And come on! Go France! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
PainDealer
Jun 27 2006, 17:02
Ghana don't deserve to be 2-0 down, I'd be cheering for them but I'm not allowed (Brazilian fiancée) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif
now that's a serious problem http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif a woman telling you how to watch football http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
karantan
Jun 27 2006, 17:08
What a shity match! Total bullshit! The Ghanians are to blame themselves for being beated so easily; now how STUPID (stupid, stupid, stupid ! ) was from ghanians (or better saying from their coach Dujkovic) to play offside traps from the first second!
It beggins to really annoying me how those 'favourite' teams (Brasil, Italy, England ... ) are smuggling themselves thru the competition. I hope Spain will not be the next dissapointment; I hope they'll beat France, and then give a 'sound trashing' to this puffed up Brasil.
Placebo
Jun 27 2006, 17:08
Ghana don't deserve to be 2-0 down, I'd be cheering for them but I'm not allowed (Brazilian fiancée) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif
now that's a serious problem http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif a woman telling you how to watch football http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Well she cheers for England whenever they're playing so it's not so bad, a Brazil v England semi could make for an interesting house though http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
PainDealer
Jun 27 2006, 17:15
What a shity match! Total bullshit! The Ghanians are to blame themselves for being beated so easily; now how STUPID (stupid, stupid, stupid ! ) was from ghanians (or better saying from their coach Dujkovic) to play offside traps from the first second!
It beggins to really annoying me how those 'favourite' teams (Brasil, Italy, England ... ) are smuggling themselves thru the competition. I hope Spain will not be the next dissapointment; I hope they'll beat France, and then give a 'sound trashing' to this puffed up Brasil.
hey it was a good match, too bad the officials didn't see it! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif the traps actually worked but there was no whistle.
seeing Spain on fire really raises high hopes cos they've never succeeded. they always find a way to be unlucky. I'd really like to see them finishing second after Argentina http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
kavoven
Jun 27 2006, 17:15
Wuhey... I won my bet against my French teacher http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif
But Brasil didn't deserved the win, Ghana played much better... All the last games were very disappointing... I'll put my hopes in Argentina-Germany, which will definatly a great game, especially, because we will win and thereby will have beaten the strongest team in the tournament http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif
And I'm going to be on the "Berliner Fanmeile" during the game http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Edit
GO SPAIN !! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/firefoxlover.gif
karantan
Jun 27 2006, 17:30
hey it was a good match, too bad the officials didn't see it! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Sorry mate, it was a vommit of a match. I'll not elaborate further, I just don't have a will for it, but who have the eyes saw it all. *I know you mean it as a joke*
Quote[/b] ]the traps actually worked but there was no whistle
The first goal was regular, number 15 (or 14, I'm not sure) from Ghana was way back on the right side. You just don't play offside traps if not necessarry (your team hounting an equiliser or play intensive pressing or something similar), because your team(defensive line) must be higly coordinated to perform this 'maneouver' accordingly, and such coordination you meet in clubs, where players know and 'feel' each other, not in national teams.
Placebo
Jun 27 2006, 18:10
They played a high line offside trap and it failed badly twice, 2nd goal quite possibly was offside.
karantan
Jun 27 2006, 18:19
They played a high line offside trap and it failed badly twice, 2nd goal quite possibly was offside.
Yes, they've tried to dense the space for Brasil on such way. A wrong approach IMO, and it failed badly more than twice. And yes, 2nd (and IMO the 3rd also) goal was from offside.
Placebo
Jun 27 2006, 18:36
Well the tactic wasn't too flawed, but the high line part was, they should have held a deeper offside line. But the stats probably show more posession, more shots? At worst they did Africa very proud, one wonders what difference Essien would have made.
RalphWiggum
Jun 27 2006, 19:39
Ghana don't deserve to be 2-0 down, I'd be cheering for them but I'm not allowed (Brazilian fiancée) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif
now that's a serious problem http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif a woman telling you how to watch football http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Well she cheers for England whenever they're playing so it's not so bad, a Brazil v England semi could make for an interesting house though http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
fiancee: placebo, you WILL wear yellow and green!
Placebo: not in my bloddy life!
*fiancee drags placebo by ears and kicks his ass to sofa.
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Ex-RoNiN
Jun 27 2006, 20:58
Henry, you do Rivaldo proud http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/mad_o.gif
Two-faced, hypocritical git, ESPECIALLY after his whining after the CL finale. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/icon_rolleyes.gif
Spain lacked bite until Garcia and Joaquin came on, and probably would have gone out regardless (sure looked that way), but Henry is the match loser for me in this one.
The WC started off so nicely too, the Italians and the entire 2nd round ruined it though http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/mad_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
Thunderbird
Jun 27 2006, 20:59
Go France Go!
Congratulations Zidane, Riberry and all others! Well done folks!
Time comes to make brazilians remember 1998...
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Regards
Thunderbird84
MonkeyGoat
Jun 27 2006, 21:00
I can't believe France won.
Sanctuary
Jun 27 2006, 21:01
Nice match, there were some good actions from the french and spanish.
Overall it is a deserved victory for France versus a good Spain team.
It seems french play better when the opposition is better, they sure know how to force a heart attack on me http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif.
Oh, and while i am sorry for the good spain players, i can only say :
take that in your face Aragones (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4055395.stm) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Argh, again to home....like every 4 years.... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/banghead.gif
Anyway, congratulations france, nice match
Ex-RoNiN
Jun 27 2006, 21:11
Oh, and while i am sorry for the good spain players, i can only say :
take that in your face Aragones (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4055395.stm) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
"How do you say 'cheating' in French?"
Take that Aragones !
Nice game, we can be proud, les bleus at least redeemed themselves after the 2002 fiasco. Whatever happens now, I'll be fine with it. It would be nice to do a remake of the 1998 finals for the quarters against brazil, but the thing is that we don't have anything to loose anymore and that a defeat against brazil would be quite honorable.
karantan
Jun 27 2006, 21:14
No no no, not Spain too! What's happening with this championship?
Spain was, well, unrecognizable, they hadn't had any good individiual, and Torres was just awful. And they also played on those f***ing offsides!
I congratulate France, now is on them to give a 'sound trashing' to those puffed up brasilians http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif . And until now I've looked on Henry as a quality player and sportsman, from now on I'm looking on him only as a bad person (Ex-RoNiN, you also stealed my thouths about the other things http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif ).
I grant that goal to Zidane. He deserved it, as he deserves a adequate end of his great career. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Oh, and while i am sorry for the good spain players, i can only say :
take that in your face Aragones (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4055395.stm) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
"How do you say 'cheating' in French?"
We could ask ask it in spanish too to make a nice billingual dictionnary including aragones' racial slurs too. I saw a quite a few fouls from the spaniards, and IMHO they did more than the french.
Cheating is said "tricher"(verb) or "tricherie"(noun) in french (pronounce tr-ee-sh-ay or tr-ee-sh-a-r-ee).
Ex-RoNiN
Jun 27 2006, 21:21
Oh, and while i am sorry for the good spain players, i can only say :
take that in your face Aragones (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4055395.stm) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
"How do you say 'cheating' in French?"
We could ask ask it in spanish too to make a nice billingual dictionnary including aragones' racial slurs too. I saw a quite a few fouls from the spaniards, and IMHO they did more than the french.
Cheating is said "tricher"(verb) or "tricherie"(noun) in french (pronounce tr-ee-sh-ay or tr-ee-sh-a-r-ee).
You're not getting the reference....
Lesson 1 : Never, never speak of old men about being too old http://yelims.free.fr/France/Fran%E7ais02.gif
http://yelims.free.fr/France/France13.gif FRANCE 3 - SPAIN 1 http://yelims3.free.fr/Inclassables/Inclassable53.gif
What else ? http://yelims.free.fr/France/Fran%E7ais03.gif
I wonder what’s the point of all this when refereeing can have such an impact on the outcome of a match. I know it’s always been like this but it just makes one loose faith in this kind of events...
Oh well, can only congratulate both teams for the nice match they offered.
karantan
Jun 27 2006, 21:42
Lesson 1 : Never, never speak of old men about being too old http://yelims.free.fr/France/Fran%E7ais02.gif
http://yelims.free.fr/France/France13.gif FRANCE 3 - SPAIN 1 http://yelims3.free.fr/Inclassables/Inclassable53.gif
What else ? http://yelims.free.fr/France/Fran%E7ais03.gif
I unerstand you frenchmen, but you should be avared, that despite you've played let's say ok you've just 'seized the moment' e.g. couth the spains playing well under their level. If you knock out Brasil, then I'll give you a credit (please, do me that favor http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif ).
And when the man is old then the man is old, even if he 'scores'; every old man once had to 'score' for the last time http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif ...
And, nice design, dude!
Big-Rooney
Jun 27 2006, 21:43
That match was brilliant. I was hoping spain would win but france came out the better side thanks to zidane again with his great crosses and some good skill on the ball to finish the game off. Brasil next is it.
It really is about time that FIFA dragged themselves out of the stone age and started using video referees or at the very least used match videos to take retrospective action against players found to have been diving or simulating injury. It would soon stop all the cheating and the complaining about refereeing decisions, the game would be much better for it.
Still, it wasn't a bad game and France did deserve to win.
3 lousy group matches and 1 match against Spain that was playing far under their level (compared to the group matches) and it's Vive La France again......right http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/help.gif
"It really is about time that FIFA dragged themselves out of the stone age and started using video referees or at the very least used match videos to take retrospective action against players found to have been diving or simulating injury."
Won't happen, since that will give smaller teams the opportunity to challenge those unfairly given penalties, red cards and free kicks in convenient places that FIFA uses to keep it's commercially most interesting contenders inside the tournament for as long as possible.
whisper
Jun 27 2006, 22:40
Too bad Henry did THIS http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
I would say payement time for Aragones, but that's no excuse.
And, if you didn't see that much Spain offense, ask Sagnol why. He just performed an outstanding match, and I'm way under reality http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif
Buskape
Jun 27 2006, 23:18
Brazil all the way !!!! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
I hope we get our 6th star this year http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Lovely seeing Zidane score, I reckon he's my second favourite footballer. May not be the greatest, but he has the most kickass hairdo, or should I say lack of hairdo? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
PainDealer
Jun 28 2006, 00:11
omg what the hell was the free kick for??? yet another ref that is at his best looking at the world from the FRONT SIGHT side of my rifle http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/pistols.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/goodnight.gif
there's only one thing we need: an earpiece for the ref which is connected to the SIXTH official who sees the action in slow mo right after the crime took place (Henry DID deserve a card for that dive which resulted in a scoring free kick). imo that's no way to decide the winner tho Spain really put lots of effort in losing that match and succeeded... again.
ProfTournesol
Jun 28 2006, 00:14
Quote[/b] ]Argh, again to home....like every 4 years....
Anyway, congratulations france, nice match
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Thanks for your fairplay which isn't that widespread in this world cup. We frenchmen like the spanish team - even with its controversial trainer...
And "France - Brazil" brings us 8 years ago....
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FriketMonkey
Jun 28 2006, 07:28
The second goal of France was really undeserved! Damn actors, how could someone be proud on that! The whole world now knows that some players play unfair to win, because they arent good enough! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
Messiah
Jun 28 2006, 08:50
find me one team that hasnt played unfair in some respects, be it from diving, insinuations, arguing with the ref, arguing with the other team, taking little 'pot shots' at players etc
its part of the modern game.... granted some are worse than others
FriketMonkey
Jun 28 2006, 08:55
@<hidden> Messiah
Yes they aren't angels, but in this WK they only selected the devils. Anyway, hope the last few matches will be 'real' football.
Messiah
Jun 28 2006, 09:00
true... its been a bit of a dog in terms of discipline... aaah well, its funny to watch, if not a bit disheartening
ProfTournesol
Jun 28 2006, 09:56
Quote[/b] ]The second goal of France was really undeserved! Damn actors, how could someone be proud on that! The whole world now knows that some players play unfair to win, because they arent good enough!
Congratulation, a very objective comment... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/mad_o.gif
France was very much disadvantaged by referees in previous matches (1 valid goal refused against Corea, one obvious penalty refused against Swiss team...), Spanish and French are one of the most fairplay teams in this WC, they were respectful of each others, very few yellow cards, playing football and not waiting for the penalties' phase like others... Use your anger and bitterness against non fairplay teams such as the Dutch one !
Albert Schweitzer
Jun 28 2006, 10:11
As I said. In the end we will have 31 whiners and 1 team being happy. 31 will feel as if they were treated unfairly and that their team is the best in the world anyway...
I am just waiting for the match when italy drops out, be prepared for the italians to declare germany and fifa being Al Quaida!
Refs are human and so is football. If you prefer 100% consistency and sterile conditions then go play in on the X-Box. And if your team looses during this worldcup at least dont poison the athmosphere, otherwise you are not worthy calling yourself a sportsfan. Full stop!
Delirium
Jun 28 2006, 10:15
Quote[/b] ]The second goal of France was really undeserved! Damn actors, how could someone be proud on that! The whole world now knows that some players play unfair to win, because they arent good enough!
Congratulation, a very objective comment... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/mad_o.gif
France was very much disadvantaged by referees in previous matches (1 valid goal refused against Corea, one obvious penalty refused against Swiss team...), Spanish and French are one of the most fairplay teams in this WC, they were respectful of each others, very few yellow cards, playing football and not waiting for the penalties' phase like others... Use your anger and bitterness against non fairplay teams such as the Dutch one !
Henry, played it well and you call it fair.
The real problem with football these days is that refferees are major agent of who will win the game.
Brazil-Ghana: two offsides after which goals were scored
France-Spain: Henry acting wins them a game.
NEtherlands-Portugal: a real shame rather than a match
Australia-Italy: faked faul gives undeserved win in last minute of the game.
The list goes on and on.
There might be one or two matches that I would call ok. Other than that it is a disgrace.
The tournament will end up with bloated'n'fat'n'lazy Brazilians win.
I was only impressed with African teams, Australian and German of whom I would never though I would.
I also suggest making an Oscar nominations for:
- best fake of the World Cup.
- worst refferee
Also,
Calling it a beauty of sport when a refferee makes a fatal mistake is the dumbest statement since the declaration of the fact that Earth is flat.
When in snooker or tennis a refferee makes that kind of mistake he/she is penalized severly for that while FIFA bends the universe for its purposes.
Shame!!!
I am just waiting for the match when italy drops out, be prepared for the italians to declare germany and fifa being Al Quaida!
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Probability that what you said occours: 99,99%.
Granted by me.
Klavan
Albert Schweitzer
Jun 28 2006, 10:56
Quote[/b] ]I also suggest making an Oscar nominations for:
- best fake of the World Cup.
- worst refferee
dont forget
- sorest looser
Sanctuary
Jun 28 2006, 11:10
That's easy to solve : have the 4th usueless referee be a "video referee" , exactly like in Rugby.
In rugby, thanks to the video referee and the shared "power" between each referees (as unlike football, the main referee can't just do what he wants ignoring the other referees) , there is no big errors committed during a rugby match.
The video helps a lot the main referee to get the good decision , and even quicker than in football.
And that lead into not only more enjoyable matches in which you will see very very very few cheating, but even the losers and deseperate supporters respect the rugby referees. You never see anyone on the field insulting or trying to make threats on a rugby referee.
You can't say the same for football, and as FIFA do not want a video referee for reason that escape the most decent logic, this referee errors or player cheating problem will never stop.
@<hidden>
Your is the perfect solution, unlucky both FIFA and UEFA seems not to be so interested in it.
Macabre to say, I know, but maybe they're waiting for a couple of refs being dead by the hands of furious supporters before.
Klavan
Ironsight
Jun 28 2006, 11:47
Quote[/b] ]I also suggest making an Oscar nominations for:
- best fake of the World Cup.
- worst refferee
dont forget
- sorest looser
Don't forget:
- Biggest douchebag
I nominate Figo.
karantan
Jun 28 2006, 12:11
Don't forget:
- Biggest douchebag
I nominate Figo.
You must be from Holland, dude ...
Messiah
Jun 28 2006, 12:16
And that lead into not only more enjoyable matches in which you will see very very very few cheating, but even the losers and deseperate supporters respect the rugby referees. You never see anyone on the field insulting or trying to make threats on a rugby referee.
You can't say the same for football, and as FIFA do not want a video referee for reason that escape the most decent logic, this referee errors or player cheating problem will never stop.
Like i've stated before, in Rugby the ref's word is law - I played rugby competitivly for 6/7 years and its the one law you live and train by for all that time. There are no second chances, and you're marched off the field for arguing with the ref.
There is, however, a very good reason not to include video ref's in football, and a reason that FIFA have been sticking by alot. In rugby, the nature of the game is of stopping and starting. Playing attacking moves as a sequence, then to a scrum, a lineout, a kickoff etc. There is more scope for allowing the 4th official to check video replays.
In football, the game is too fluid. Its too reliant on smooth, quick gameplay. Quikc throw ins, speedy counter attacks etc. These would be seriously compromised if the players had to wait for a video ref to decide on every occasion. There would be no quick free kicks, a quick counter attack after the opposing team are still claiming a penalty in the box etc...
this a perfectly adequate reason, in my eyes, why video ref's will never enter football.
Sanctuary
Jun 28 2006, 12:19
At the age of communication, with micros and more , video referee is not a problem, referees can easily communicate with each other without having to interrupt the game flow.
Delirium
Jun 28 2006, 12:32
At the age of communication, with micros and more , video referee is not a problem, referees can easily communicate with each other without having to interrupt the game flow.
Especially, that they already carry comm devices, which is no problem.
What is stupid, is the fact that refferee makes a stupid mistake which then you can see on the replay on the pitch screen for everyone to see.
I just wait for a pitch massacre to come when some country's fans come on to fight just for stupid mistake that could be avoided.
Lol, just because you are from a country that got knocked out you can't criticise the tournament http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Just because it is hosted by Germany doesn't mean all you germans have to declare it holy and perfect, because it's far from that. It's the worst worldcup I've seen in terms of unfair play, bad football (boring matches), lousy referees and inconsistent usage of the rules. And I've seen alot of WC matches since 1994 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/goodnight.gif
"Macabre to say, I know, but maybe they're waiting for a couple of refs being dead by the hands of furious supporters before."
Sad to say, but look at what happened to Frisk during an AS Roma match. Got hit by a lighter. It's just a small step from a lighter to a piece of chair being used to teach the ref to use his eyes a little more objectively/better http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/icon_rolleyes.gif
Albert Schweitzer
Jun 28 2006, 12:38
Quote[/b] ]Just because it is hosted by Germany doesn't mean all you germans have to declare it holy and perfect
Are you refering to something I said? Dont read between the lines.
Quote[/b] ] It's the worst worldcup I've seen in terms of unfair play
And this is what we hear every four years too! Sorry mate, cant take you seriously! You wont ruin the fun I have watching the matches! And whoever wins this competition will be treated like a worthy world champion by me! And there are still some cool matches to come.
And after your reference to me being german here comes the Boomerang:
Do you know the saying: "look who is talking"? Your team was one of trouble makers in this competition and before pointing a finger at the entire world you should make sure your team is behaving like a role model!
Of course each and everyone of us can criticise the matches and the circumstances. But exaggerations clearly show that there are hurt feelings involved, and then the discussion turns inobjective. And calling it "the worst competition ever" is inobjective. btw same was said about 2002, you just dont seem to remember!
karantan
Jun 28 2006, 12:39
At the age of communication, with micros and more , video referee is not a problem, referees can easily communicate with each other without having to interrupt the game flow.
Sure they'll be the interrptions there; those interventions would never came on time (the video must be checked first), even a few seconds delay would be enough, and then what, should the ref stop the play and 'rewind' it, interrupting a possible counter-attack douring the process or something even more delicate? Then you'll really have a chaos on the field; a bunch of mad players (from both sides), totally loosed referee,,,heck, even now those morons can't follow the game, not yet with some additional 'voices' in their heads from some phones. Such help could come really handy only in ocassions of confirming if the ball was over the goal line and so on. But the rabbit is not hiding in this bush ...
IMHO if they'll only stick strictly to the rules, much already would be done ...
Ironsight
Jun 28 2006, 12:41
Don't forget:
- Biggest douchebag
I nominate Figo.
You must be from Holland, dude ...
So?
karantan
Jun 28 2006, 12:43
Don't forget:
- Biggest douchebag
I nominate Figo.
You must be from Holland, dude ...
So?
Nothing. Just an observation.
Chris Death
Jun 28 2006, 13:01
hmm - Lots of are declaring Henry for diving - i didn't see it
that way. Henry was way faster than Puyol, Puyol noticed
that he would be second at ball - so what then? - try to
block the faster one - unfortunately for Puyol Henry knew
to use that blocking without having to catch the ball - well
still - Puyol was going to block the ball because he couldn't
win the race - Henry wasn't fouled badly but was hindered
taking the ball.
Anyway - the location of the freekick was not even close
to the penalty point - where you would say: they got a goal
present - it's been far away from the goal.
So this 'dive' was by far not meant to be stealing a goal.
So it was for sure not a 100% goal chance this freekick - so
don't score that 'cheating' to be like falling over the 5 meter
line in penalty box to get a penalty - it wasn't just like this.
When two players crash together - lot of times one of them falls - well sometimes even both. - sometimes it's a freekick sometimes not - sometimes for the wrong team.
This freekick imho wasn't a better chance than a corner or a
throw in, or maybe even a goalkick. So stop whining that
Henry's cheating lead them to a win.
Congrats France - congrats Spain
Allez les bleus
~S~ CD
karantan
Jun 28 2006, 13:15
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Love your poetry man!
The point is not the freekick, or what happened after it, it is Henry acting like he has been hit in the face when he is clearly not, trying to get Puyol a red card, because he can't gain the upper hand against him, just like in the Champions League final.
I've played football for more then 5 years, if that push with the shoulder hurts so much that you have to put your hands to your face in pure aginy, then something is seriously wrong with your body. Pure acting.
Delirium
Jun 28 2006, 13:52
hmm - Lots of are declaring Henry for diving - i didn't see it
that way. Henry was way faster than Puyol, Puyol noticed
that he would be second at ball - so what then? - try to
block the faster one - unfortunately for Puyol Henry knew
to use that blocking without having to catch the ball - well
still - Puyol was going to block the ball because he couldn't
win the race - Henry wasn't fouled badly but was hindered
taking the ball.
Anyway - the location of the freekick was not even close
to the penalty point - where you would say: they got a goal
present - it's been far away from the goal.
So this 'dive' was by far not meant to be stealing a goal.
So it was for sure not a 100% goal chance this freekick - so
don't score that 'cheating' to be like falling over the 5 meter
line in penalty box to get a penalty - it wasn't just like this.
When two players crash together - lot of times one of them falls - well sometimes even both. - sometimes it's a freekick sometimes not - sometimes for the wrong team.
This freekick imho wasn't a better chance than a corner or a
throw in, or maybe even a goalkick. So stop whining that
Henry's cheating lead them to a win.
Congrats France - congrats Spain
Allez les bleus
~S~ CD
No it was not a penalty but it was an opportunity. Why did Henry faked? Cause he had no chance to get the ball and to score.
It is a regular situation nowadays. The player has no chance of scoring so he starts to play f... Hamlet on the pitch. He starts to play "he hurt my feelings and I will cry now" game.
How about preparing properly for the World Cup instead of playing commertials?
I undestand players like Vinnie Johns who kicked the balls of those ass whining pussies.
One more thing.
The whining ones are those who fake and start to cry their little pussies off on the pitch. He can't play nor win so he starts to f.. around. And if this is the way you want your fave team to win then, I am sorry, but you ..... ..... ..... ...... And your team too.
Sorry people for this emotional outburst but for people like these we have so much sorest loosers around. PLay like a man and loose like a man. All I want.
Chris Death
Jun 28 2006, 13:56
The point is not the freekick, or what happened after it, it is Henry acting like he has been hit in the face when he is clearly not, trying to get Puyol a red card, because he can't gain the upper hand against him, just like in the Champions League final.
I've played football for more then 5 years, if that push with the shoulder hurts so much that you have to put your hands to your face in pure aginy, then something is seriously wrong with your body. Pure acting.
So often players from each side will put their hands on body
parts which weren't encountered from the eye of the viewer.
You will find that in every game on every side - I saw Henry
for a short moment put his hands in face - well - every player
will do this (no exception) if he got fouled and their was contact near to his head. It's a spontan reaction and in lot
of cases you will do it just by the thinking of how close this
was to your face and and you were lucky - but it's also a short moment of shock - in which hands will come up to face
almost automatically. If you then later run behind the referee
to show him how the other guy tried to break your nose
is a totaly different story http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Quote[/b] ]No it was not a penalty but it was an opportunity. Why did Henry faked? Cause he had no chance to get the ball and to score.
And that's the point - he had a realistic chance on getting the
ball - he was just going to pass Puyol left around.
~S~ CD
karantan
Jun 28 2006, 14:22
And that's the point - he had a realistic chance on getting the
ball - he was just going to pass Puyol left around.
There was no THEORY that Henry could get that ball or to pass Puyol left(or right) around; the dude is one of the best defenders, you know, and he's not maded from the fog for Henry to go thru him. And don't even think about that Henry is so much faster than Puyol. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif And I think we can all agree that there was a bit of shameless acting.
*edit* And how that the line referee didn't see that acting; it was fairly close to the out line. Maybe he saw it's Henry that acting, and the line ref goes like http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif ?
Henry wise; I just can't comprehend how he can score so many goals, because he's so predictable attacker; 90% of his goals are achived on the same technical manner. And he have quite a luck in the game. But I have a feeling that that luck deserting him slowly, bit by bit. And the goalkeepers are starting to (finaly! ) 'reading' him.
Postduifje
Jun 28 2006, 14:32
What, what, what? No football today??? What to do now, this means I actually have to study for my final exams.... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/help.gif
edit: on a side note, there is somewhat of a reasonable explanation of the lesser quality play; A lot of the big teams are 'in between' two generations of players and have to adapt to their new capabilities. Some others think all it takes is putting all the stars on the field without any concept for a team, but we've always had that.
EddyBoy
Jun 28 2006, 14:46
Sad to say, but look at what happened to Frisk during an AS Roma match. Got hit by a lighter. It's just a small step from a lighter to a piece of chair being used to teach the ref to use his eyes a little more objectively/better http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/icon_rolleyes.gif
Can't they take a leaf out of proffesional wrestling. The refs are always getting hit by foregin objects at inconvienient moments in the match. Think we need to merge the sports together.
I quite liked Sven mentioning that they got 2 refs to come to the hotel to actually explain what a foul is and what isn't. Lets just hope Seth is ousted in the next elections.
Messiah
Jun 28 2006, 14:53
At the age of communication, with micros and more , video referee is not a problem, referees can easily communicate with each other without having to interrupt the game flow.
if thats the case, how come rugby and cricket pause the match to await the ref's decision? How ludicrous would it be for play to continue after possible goal/offside etc when the kickoff has already been taken etc... it just wouldnt work - you either have to pause the match and wait for a decision, thus interupting a free flowing game, or do away with the idea completely...
whisper
Jun 28 2006, 16:15
And that's the point - he had a realistic chance on getting the
ball - he was just going to pass Puyol left around.
There was no THEORY that Henry could get that ball or to pass Puyol left(or right) around; the dude is one of the best defenders, you know, and he's not maded from the fog for Henry to go thru him. And don't even think about that Henry is so much faster than Puyol. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif And I think we can all agree that there was a bit of shameless acting.
*edit* And how that the line referee didn't see that acting; it was fairly close to the out line. Maybe he saw it's Henry that acting, and the line ref goes like http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif ?
Henry wise; I just can't comprehend how he can score so many goals, because he's so predictable attacker; 90% of his goals are achived on the same technical manner. And he have quite a luck in the game. But I have a feeling that that luck deserting him slowly, bit by bit. And the goalkeepers are starting to (finaly! ) 'reading' him.
Rofl yes, what Henry does in Arsenal is pure luck, really http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
Get real http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
EDIT : So shall I understand all your diatribe on clean playing, stop acting, blabla, is in fact just going back to Henry cause you do not like him? And that you are so so happy seeing him, at last, doing something wrong? mmmmmh'kay....
whisper
Jun 28 2006, 16:24
The point is not the freekick, or what happened after it, it is Henry acting like he has been hit in the face when he is clearly not, trying to get Puyol a red card, because he can't gain the upper hand against him, just like in the Champions League final.
OK, fair enough, and that's (the hand on the face) also what I disliked about the action.
But did Puyol get a red? no
Was there faulty action from Puyol? Very likely, moreover both ref watching it say so.
So what? We're just there with Henry doing something wrong which brought NOTHING for his team (neither a spanish guy out, nor a free kick which was anyway given), and a normal free kick, moreover on a position not that dangerous. Frenchies played it very well, congrats to them for that.
karantan
Jun 28 2006, 16:33
Rofl yes, what Henry does in Arsenal is pure luck, really http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
Get real http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
You can take ten of any goals Henry has scored in Arsenal and I'm pretty sure at least eight of them will be scored (akhm, here comes my bad knowledge of English) with the inner side of the foot in the right (from the goalkeepers view left) side of the goal. *edit* And if for some strikers which can't score don't know, for ages, can be said he don't have a luck, so can be said for Henry he have a luck, because almost everything he touches converts into gold,,,akhm,,,goal. We'll see in the future if he'll still score such amount of goals per season ...
Quote[/b] ]So shall I understand all your diatribe on clean playing, stop acting, blabla, is in fact just going back to Henry cause you do not like him? And that you are so so happy seeing him, at last, doing something wrong? mmmmmh'kay....
Huh? Don't like Henry? Why should I hate him? Now you get real. Before this acting he's been 'noted in my book' as a fine sportsman, now for me-in my eyes is just one of those many many comedians which roaming on those grasslands.
If video refereeing doesnt fit into the fluidity of the game, then they should at least be better on post match bookings - ie, Figo headbutts someone, referee misses it in the game, but he gets a postgame yellow/red.
The thing is, world cup stakes are high. But no player wants to miss the next match....so it's about giving players a sufficient detterent.....
...if a player thinks he can get away with a dive or another foul not being seen by the ref, he might do so. If he thought that there would be a post match committee scouring the footage and handing out cards/suspensions, he would however, realise that even if he can fool the ref, he's going to get punished for unfair play.
Doing this won't immediately affect the results of matches, but as players realise that they have to keep thier conduct clean, you'll see less dubious incidents imo.
Sanctuary
Jun 28 2006, 16:44
Quote[/b] ]now for me-in my eyes is just one of those many many comedians which roaming on those grasslands.
That's certainly why the design of the 2006 trophy (http://www.oscar.com/) has been modified recently
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9813/hkhjkgk4xr.jpg
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
karantan
Jun 28 2006, 16:47
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Good one, Sanct!
Messiah
Jun 28 2006, 17:00
If video refereeing doesnt fit into the fluidity of the game, then they should at least be better on post match bookings - ie, Figo headbutts someone, referee misses it in the game, but he gets a postgame yellow/red.
The thing is, world cup stakes are high. But no player wants to miss the next match....so it's about giving players a sufficient detterent.....
...if a player thinks he can get away with a dive or another foul not being seen by the ref, he might do so. If he thought that there would be a post match committee scouring the footage and handing out cards/suspensions, he would however, realise that even if he can fool the ref, he's going to get punished for unfair play.
Doing this won't immediately affect the results of matches, but as players realise that they have to keep thier conduct clean, you'll see less dubious incidents imo.
thats something that FIFA are supposed to do in extreme cases anyways, the Figo incident was refered to FIFA, who didnt give a shit... idiots.
Chris Death
Jun 28 2006, 17:23
Rofl yes, what Henry does in Arsenal is pure luck, really http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
Get real http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
You can take ten of any goals Henry has scored in Arsenal and I'm pretty sure at least eight of them will be scored (akhm, here comes my bad knowledge of English) with the inner side of the foot in the right (from the goalkeepers view left) side of the goal. *edit* And if for some strikers which can't score don't know, for ages, can be said he don't have a luck, so can be said for Henry he have a luck, because almost everything he touches converts into gold,,,akhm,,,goal. We'll see in the future if he'll still score such amount of goals per season ...
Quote[/b] ]So shall I understand all your diatribe on clean playing, stop acting, blabla, is in fact just going back to Henry cause you do not like him? And that you are so so happy seeing him, at last, doing something wrong? mmmmmh'kay....
Huh? Don't like Henry? Why should I hate him? Now you get real. Before this acting he's been 'noted in my book' as a fine sportsman, now for me-in my eyes is just one of those many many comedians which roaming on those grasslands.
Well, and those were just pure luck then http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
pure luck (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/52532/henry_goals/)
pure luck 2 (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/77992/thierry_henry/)
Best of pure luck (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/107860/thierry_henry_sensational_player/)
~S~ CD
karantan
Jun 28 2006, 18:16
Rofl yes, what Henry does in Arsenal is pure luck, really http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
Get real http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
You can take ten of any goals Henry has scored in Arsenal and I'm pretty sure at least eight of them will be scored (akhm, here comes my bad knowledge of English) with the inner side of the foot in the right (from the goalkeepers view left) side of the goal. *edit* And if for some strikers which can't score don't know, for ages, can be said he don't have a luck, so can be said for Henry he have a luck, because almost everything he touches converts into gold,,,akhm,,,goal. We'll see in the future if he'll still score such amount of goals per season ...
Quote[/b] ]So shall I understand all your diatribe on clean playing, stop acting, blabla, is in fact just going back to Henry cause you do not like him? And that you are so so happy seeing him, at last, doing something wrong? mmmmmh'kay....
Huh? Don't like Henry? Why should I hate him? Now you get real. Before this acting he's been 'noted in my book' as a fine sportsman, now for me-in my eyes is just one of those many many comedians which roaming on those grasslands.
Well, and those were just pure luck then http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
pure luck (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/52532/henry_goals/)
pure luck 2 (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/77992/thierry_henry/)
Best of pure luck (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/107860/thierry_henry_sensational_player/)
~S~ CD
I didn't say his goals are pure luck, but that he have a luck, or that he's in sensational form if you more prefer. But once his luck will runs out e.g. the form will leave him (like all does, he's no exseption), and I'm sure it will come a time when he'll struggle to score. He's no Superman, and I'm not keen to worship any sportsman like that, on such way like those clips does with Henry, you can make such a mix of goals and successful moves even from a player from the 3rd Division, and it will looks like he's an unbeleivable player. I'm not saying he's a bad footballer, uncontrary, but I have him now for a much better actor, and unfair, two faced person, which obviously lack a great deal of sportsmenship.
And I firmly stand behind the words I stated before about him, you can accept them or not, I really don't care.
Can't they take a leaf out of proffesional wrestling. The refs are always getting hit by foregin objects at inconvienient moments in the match. Think we need to merge the sports together.
Lol, that would be awesome, seeing Paul Gascoigne and Marco Matteratzi sandwich a ref, knees and elbows first, and then having Ronaldo diving off a platform onto the ref laying helplessly on the ground http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Onto a more serious note: too bad even Brazil is being forced by it's coach to play boring football http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/band.gif
They could have won their matches much easier if they had just played the way they normally do, with a couple of changes in the team (the best 11 players don't automatically make for the best team).
Well, and those were just pure luck then http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
pure luck (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/52532/henry_goals/)
pure luck 2 (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/77992/thierry_henry/)
Best of pure luck (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/107860/thierry_henry_sensational_player/)
~S~ CD
Thanks Chris Death for the vids, really astonishing even if we see many replays.
I hope Henry will free his mind and play at his full potential against Brazil.
Whoever win this fight, France or Brazil, if both teams play at full power, the game should be astonishing http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif
whisper
Jun 28 2006, 20:49
Rofl yes, what Henry does in Arsenal is pure luck, really http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
Get real http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
You can take ten of any goals Henry has scored in Arsenal and I'm pretty sure at least eight of them will be scored (akhm, here comes my bad knowledge of English) with the inner side of the foot in the right (from the goalkeepers view left) side of the goal. *edit* And if for some strikers which can't score don't know, for ages, can be said he don't have a luck, so can be said for Henry he have a luck, because almost everything he touches converts into gold,,,akhm,,,goal. We'll see in the future if he'll still score such amount of goals per season ...
Quote[/b] ]So shall I understand all your diatribe on clean playing, stop acting, blabla, is in fact just going back to Henry cause you do not like him? And that you are so so happy seeing him, at last, doing something wrong? mmmmmh'kay....
Huh? Don't like Henry? Why should I hate him? Now you get real. Before this acting he's been 'noted in my book' as a fine sportsman, now for me-in my eyes is just one of those many many comedians which roaming on those grasslands.
Well, and those were just pure luck then http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
pure luck (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/52532/henry_goals/)
pure luck 2 (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/77992/thierry_henry/)
Best of pure luck (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/107860/thierry_henry_sensational_player/)
~S~ CD
I didn't say his goals are pure luck, but that he have a luck, or that he's in sensational form if you more prefer. But once his luck will runs out e.g. the form will leave him (like all does, he's no exseption), and I'm sure it will come a time when he'll struggle to score. He's no Superman, and I'm not keen to worship any sportsman like that, on such way like those clips does with Henry, you can make such a mix of goals and successful moves even from a player from the 3rd Division, and it will looks like he's an unbeleivable player. I'm not saying he's a bad footballer, uncontrary, but I have him now for a much better actor, and unfair, two faced person, which obviously lack a great deal of sportsmenship.
And I firmly stand behind the words I stated before about him, you can accept them or not, I really don't care.
Every1 makes error. If you kill him this way for this only gesture, that's pretty stupid, tbh.
Placebo
Jun 29 2006, 05:39
I very much detest Arsenal, but Henry has always struck me as a very fair player and a great sportsman, this incident was significantly out of character and perhaps the kind of rare mistake of choice or action that happens frome time to time to all of us.
karantan
Jun 29 2006, 15:17
Every1 makes error. If you kill him this way for this only gesture, that's pretty stupid, tbh.
Whisper, what are you talking about, I'm not killing anyone, I just DON'T RESPECT Henry as a sportsman anymore, how you can't get this. And PLEASE, allow me to have my own (not yours! ) opinion about him, and don't tell me what's stupid; what Henry has done was stupid, not my new formed opinion about him!
And for the end: what Henry did was NOT an error, was NOT an incident, was NOT a rare mistake of choice, but a DELIBERATE PROVOCATION from a deeply frustrated player, which was effectively 'neutralised' during the game. I relly doubt that for instance Ronaldinho will ever perform such an act on the field, no matter how frustrated will be out there on the field. But as we all know, never say never ...
God the stress level of this thread is almost reaching Iraq/middle east thread stress levels http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Calm down people, it's a game http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif
"Football is war" http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Thunderbird
Jun 29 2006, 21:17
Quote[/b] ]what Henry did was NOT an error, was NOT an incident, was NOT a rare mistake of choice, but a DELIBERATE PROVOCATION from a deeply frustrated player
That's a little 'too' exagerated in my judgement, Thierry Henry's a grand man, a great player, one of the most efficient strikers of the world and it happens even to the best players, committing such stupid errors, probably caused by the stress of the match but we have to keep in mind that the error's human, we should forgive him as long as that wouldn't happen again, though.
But there has been much worst that have happened during this WC, just get a look at the match Holland - Portugal...
And the spanish booed and whistled during the french anthem and that was a first at the World Cup 2006...
Such situations shouldn't happen again.
As previously stated: Football is a game..., a game with respect, a game deeply loved by millions.
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Regards
Thunderbird84
karantan
Jun 29 2006, 22:40
Quote[/b] ]what Henry did was NOT an error, was NOT an incident, was NOT a rare mistake of choice, but a DELIBERATE PROVOCATION from a deeply frustrated player
That's a little 'too' exagerated in my judgement
No it's not. Period. That's my opinion and it's just stupid arguing about it. You think differently, you're saying otherwise? No problem, but arguments please. Here's my last and final argument about it: there were imo no foul by Puyol, and I'm 100% sure if there were no that acting by Henry there would be no free kick, therefore that provocation had a deep and decisive influence and impact to the final outcomming of the match, therefore it was looked so much more ugly and disgusting.
Quote[/b] ]Thierry Henry's a grand man, a great player, one of the most efficient strikers of the world and it happens even to the best players, committing such stupid errors, probably caused by the stress of the match but we have to keep in mind that the error's human, we should forgive him as long as that wouldn't happen again, though.
It's ok by me, agreed, no problem. Really. Now you just have to 'charm' the spains with this thru your national glasses viewed glorification of Thierry Henry, and of course convince them to forgive him. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Quote[/b] ]And the spanish booed and whistled during the french anthem and that was a first at the World Cup 2006...
Such situations shouldn't happen again.
Yes, that was really ugly, didn't expected this from spains. I'm kind of surprised (and personally embarassed) that no one here had mentioned and critisized such a primitive behaviour.
My Two Cents on Henry
Henry does Rivaldo
What a total f*cking coward. He gets an arm in the chest and collapses to the floor holding his face. Henry is a dirty, filthy cheat.
I'm really, really surprised and hugely disapointed because I thought he was one of the good guys. Loads of talent but humble with it, fair to a fault and an example to kids the world over what a true, classy, iconic footballer should be.
Now we're going to have kids in the park getting hit on the leg and throwing themselves to the floor clutching their face.
Henry, you have gone from a hero of the people to a vile cheat in the same company as Rivaldo and Maradonna. I hope you enjoy your victory. I hope the tarnish it has placed on this World Cup makes you happy.
Wanker.
Back to business. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif Let's hope we see a good match. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
EddyBoy
Jun 30 2006, 15:19
Yeh, can't believe im saying this but come on Germany. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Albert Schweitzer
Jun 30 2006, 16:10
I am so shit scared! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif These argentinians are realy frightening our young players. And this for a reason, their strikers are as fast as a lightning!
Don't worry, Argentina will turn Germany upside down, showing the best football in possibly the entire tournament, after which Germany will win by a goal in the 80-90+ period.
Edit: 0-1, nvm http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
Edit #2, 15 seconds off, 79:45 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
scousejedi
Jun 30 2006, 16:40
Deutschland Deutschland uber Argies
Well hopefully anyway
1 : 1 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Deutschland Deutschland uber Argies
Wow, what a comment. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/icon_rolleyes.gif
Jakerod
Jun 30 2006, 17:46
GERMANY WINS!!!!
I thought that was probably one of the best games I have ever seen.
Well, Germany seems to have a good team, I doubted that so far...
LOOOOL I read that on ard.de:
http://www.mapfact.net/Material/Member/raedor/ard_klein.jpg
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
AfrographX
Jun 30 2006, 17:51
Mos definitely one of the best soccer matches I've ever seen. It had more tension than any hollywood thriller!
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Mr Burns
Jun 30 2006, 17:54
Well, Germany seems to have a good team, I dobted that so far...
LOOOOL I read that on ard.de:
http://www.mapfact.net/Material/Member/raedor/ard_klein.jpg
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
The öffentlich rechtlichen are a tad to gung ho if you ask me http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
We´re half final, go Germany http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif
Ex-RoNiN
Jun 30 2006, 18:03
joder http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/mad_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
karantan
Jun 30 2006, 18:06
Well, germans should give Peckerman a life rent, and for every substitue an extra bonus, that's all I will say. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif Now he can return Messi back to his mamma still (almost) as a virgin. Nice babysitting, Peck!http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
Sniperwolf572
Jun 30 2006, 18:17
What was the fight in the end all about?
Well, germans should give Peckerman a life rent, and for every substitue an extra bonus, that's all I will say. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif Now he can return Messi back to his mamma still (almost) as a virgin. Nice babysitting, Peck!http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
Yeah, I'm also wondering why he didn't bring Messi instead of Cruz for Crespo... okay, he is taller, but I never saw him "heading" http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
Buskape
Jun 30 2006, 18:21
9 July will be a repeat of the final in 2002! Germany Vs Brazil
I hope Brazil wins again and gets its sixth star and hopefully a seventh star in south africa 2010!!
Would be nice to see a consecutive world cup win by Brasil in my opinion the best football team in the world
Brasil em força!!!!
karantan
Jun 30 2006, 18:32
Well, germans should give Peckerman a life rent, and for every substitue an extra bonus, that's all I will say. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif Now he can return Messi back to his mamma still (almost) as a virgin. Nice babysitting, Peck!http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
Yeah, I'm also wondering why he didn't bring Messi instead of Cruz for Crespo... okay, he is taller, but I never saw him "heading" http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
Peckerman has leading Argentina thru the whole championship like an old tart which have no clue about the football; you must be a real 'artist' to squize so little from a such selection as argentinian is. Still, I thouth the players on terain can-will compensate this with their quality and expirience, but everything have its own limits.
solomeo_paredes
Jun 30 2006, 18:44
stop talking about something you dont have any idea!!! you people say taht becouse we lost if we have won you say something very diferent, even thoug taht match was realy unfair for us specially from that referi, after the serbia&montenegro against argentina match you people didnt say things like those so dont be such a fakers please. karantan you culdnt lead a team any better than pekerman and you dont have any idea about football watch the game againg if you can and you realise about things
karantan
Jun 30 2006, 18:48
Yea, that's the way amigo, just let it out ...
*edit* And on the end if by any chance Argentina would be a world champion, my final comment about Peckerman would be the same e.g. he wouldn't have almost no credits for it, but only the briliance of argentinian players.
Ermm. Hello and welcome to you too http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif
Seriously, i mostly steer clear of the offtopic forum nowerdays because of the bickering, but i came into and enjoyed this thread because it started friendly....yet now it seems all i see is people shitcanning others opinions... So i might just vacate again and leave you lot to your high blood pressure arguments.... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
On a related note...fight at the end of the match...what the hell? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif
Ironsight
Jun 30 2006, 18:53
On a related note...fight at the end of the match...what the hell? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif
There was a fight?
There was a fight! You didnt see most of the argentinian staff/players all on the pitch all shoving each other/holding each other back? Looked like thier "team" was trying to deck each other! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Commentator said he saw a German get floored, then it all kicked off, but all i saw was Argies going for each other http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
On a related note...fight at the end of the match...what the hell? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif
There was a fight?
Yep, I didn't see it, but from what I heard Heinze tried to fight Bierhoff and/or Pigriser http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Ironsight
Jun 30 2006, 18:59
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karantan
Jun 30 2006, 19:04
Didn't saw it also, our TV ends the transmission almost the next second after the end of the match.
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nonono, that's pure love passion, can't you see it? How hot must be now in the dressing room? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
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He was justasking for a nice and gentle kiss http://yelims3.free.fr/Gay/Gay25.gif
NurEinMensch
Jun 30 2006, 19:12
stop talking about something you dont have any idea!!! you people say taht becouse we lost if we have won you say something very diferent, even thoug taht match was realy unfair for us specially from that referi, after the serbia&montenegro against argentina match you people didnt say things like those so dont be such a fakers please. karantan you culdnt lead a team any better than pekerman and you dont have any idea about football watch the game againg if you can and you realise about things
This game was a thriller, both teams played on a high level. In the end it came down to Germany being lucky, but both teams would have deserved it to advance. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Albert Schweitzer
Jun 30 2006, 19:49
stop whining. Argentine played a great match and the match was well referied, there were no sensitive decisions and in the end it was decided through penalties. Whats wrong with that?
Both teams were strong and Argentine had awesome forward strategies, but ....
look who got a red card in the end. is that correct or false information
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Maxi Rodriguez his Schweinsteiger and some guy kicked a german defender in a kung fu style...I wouldn't be suprised if a/some german player(s) started this thing...
And TBH I don't either understand why he put Cruz on instead of Messi. Messi have played quite good when he's gotten the chance, while Cruz isn't capable of playing really good all the time. Cruz could have played a really good game, or he could, like he did, play a ok game. Messi would have fitted the match better IMO, so much room to play in. Argentina have been quite a letdown after the 6-0 match.
Bah, I would rather have seen Argentina in the semi, but now we end up with German and Italy...don't really fancy any of them, but since I have to choose one of them to reach the final, I'd no doubt go for Germany.
And about the ref, it's just bullshit whining about him. He wasn't good compared to how refs usually is, but compared to the refs in this WC, he was quite good. Why do refs fuck up so bad almost every WC? Every WC the level of the refs seem to fall a lot http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif
solomeo_paredes
Jun 30 2006, 20:31
go portugal,ukrania or france!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought the refereeing was pretty solid. Compared to the farce the other games have been anyway.
Berghoff
Jun 30 2006, 20:46
extermely boring 1st half then got better luckly. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
btw not the italy match.
karantan
Jun 30 2006, 21:07
Italy had controlled a game thru the whole match, which has resoulted with a classical, routine win for them.
My congrats, Italy.
Acecombat
Jun 30 2006, 21:15
Ok so all my favourites have been knocked out now http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif .
It might be deja vu all over again in terms of who plays in the final except this time Germany wins me thinks due to home advantage.
I thought the refereeing was pretty solid. Compared to the farce the other games have been anyway.
That's my point http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif The ref was good compared to the rest of the WC games, but compared to refereeing in general he wasn't that good...though he wasn't shite in general either...
Italy had controlled a game thru the whole match, which has resoulted with a classical, routine win for them.
My congrats, Italy.
Nope, the Ukraine was very close to 1-1 from the 45th till 59th minute... after that Italy controlled the match more or less (and the first half they really controlled it).
As I said before, Argentina isn't all that strong. Alot of good players don't make a good team. S&M didn't put any effort into the match after Argentina made their first goal, they just let them play, creating the impression that Argentina was playing so good that S&M never even had a chance.
Also, S&M was of course one of the worst countries to play in the 2006 WC. Leaves me wondering whether or not the split between Serbia and Montenegro had any negative influence on the bad performances... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif
As I said before, Argentina isn't all that strong. Alot of good players don't make a good team. S&M didn't put any effort into the match after Argentina made their first goal, they just let them play, creating the impression that Argentina was playing so good that S&M never even had a chance.
Also, S&M was of course one of the worst countries to play in the 2006 WC. Leaves me wondering whether or not the split between Serbia and Montenegro had any negative influence on the bad performances... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif
I think there was some problems between players, since some of the players was from montenegro. At least the goalie was.
blackjack[VS]
Jul 1 2006, 14:33
30min from the big match...my predict is portugal wining by 2-0. figo/ronaldo/maniche/pauleta is the list of candidates. really hope that we have a clean game, without troubles for both teams. good luck to both sides and let the game begin!!
FORÇA PORTUGAL!!
Yeh, I wonder how long Rooneys foot is going to hold up for when facing the Portuguese tackles...
What a damn dive by Maniche! Hargreaves didn't even touch his head... dood referee!
Rooney's red card was very hard, because the ref gave it for hustling Ronaldo, not for the kick against Carvalho (the ref was about to only give a free kick, then he saw Rooney hustling Ronaldo and after that he pulled the red card).
VictorTroska
Jul 1 2006, 17:26
......and we are going to penalty kicks...
good thing England is weak at penalty kicks....
yessss,go portugal! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/pistols.gif
Delirium
Jul 1 2006, 17:45
they lost. F......!!!! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/banghead.gif
bye bye england. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
VictorTroska
Jul 1 2006, 17:47
..and England is going home,its about time!
Congratulations Portugal! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif
IsthatyouJohnWayne
Jul 1 2006, 17:48
I blame the swede.
Seems like England wasn't getting paid for the penalty shootout, just as bad as Holland's shootout's, and that's saying alot.
The only thing worse than the English penalties were the attempts (if you can even call them that) of Robinson to stop anything from going in.
Rooney is a moron. While the red card was perhaps a bit harsh, he should know better than to mouth off at the ref.
Although I wasn't particularly impressed with either side, all things considered, England played more entertaining football.
blackjack[VS]
Jul 1 2006, 17:53
WE WONNNNNNN!!!!!!!! good game england, and thanks for teasing us during the week!! gave us that extra motivation!
now for serious...rooney deserved that red card. maniche should be shamed for simulating agresion. deco is for sure our key player, and the main thing...RICARDO is the BEST!!
FORÇA PORTUGAL!!!
VictorTroska
Jul 1 2006, 17:53
..that crying über-model Beckham and stupid Rooney are guilty for losing match and bad playing... and of course famouse penalty kicks by England now and in history... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif
deanosbeano
Jul 1 2006, 17:55
well we lost, not an entertaining world cup overall so far.its now time for me to jump on the Brasil bandwagon http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif.
match analisys , rooney needs to cool his temper, chtistiano ronaldo needs to stop prompting refs to send people off and well done the 10 men who fought hard.i hope portugal dont play against the next team as they have with holland and england,if only for the sake of the tournament.
and we need to walk off the pitch after extra time and accept ,we wont win at penalties ).
Delirium
Jul 1 2006, 17:59
..and England is going home,its about time!
Congratulations Portugal! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif
for what?
Such a lousy play. They had everything in their hands to end it earlier and they somehow couldn't.
England wasn't the team to win either but they didn't play crying baby all the time.
And Figo, he just couldn't resist to fall down at every opportunity he had.
The red card undeserved for Rooney but he was to go for his play anyway. Isn't the same referee who sent Beckham off last time. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif
Ronaldo was the only decent player for Portugal. He created the game same as Lennon.
It is a shame still that such weak teams like Portugal, France and Italy went through.
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Seemed to me that England did better with 10 men than 11, Portugal just seemed unable to smother them.
England had quite a few decent attempts, often in or near the Portuguese 6-yard box and it's a shame that England didn't bury one in the corner of the net.
Both sides lacked motivation, but I feel that after Rooney went off England upped the tempo and could have finished Portugal off.
I still can't believe how crap England are at penalties and I hate that they always go out after them.
Delirium
Jul 1 2006, 18:03
..that crying über-model Beckham and stupid Rooney are guilty for losing match and bad playing... and of course famouse penalty kicks by England now and in history... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif
What's wrong with you?
The only guilt I see is the fact that England couldn't deliver what it had work out. It had many well developed scoring opportunities.
BTW, I'd like to remind you the same situation when Ronaldo cried when he was injured during last game.
Looks like I am rooting for Germany the rest of the WC.
Yeah, Rooney being sent off was a good thing. They had an easy time controling him, where as Crouch gave them some problems, and was at least able to keep the ball in his possession.
Everyone loves acting, I watch a movie if I want to see acting, others watch football http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/goodnight.gif
England just sucks on penalty. They always lose on penalties.
Smiley Nick
Jul 1 2006, 18:14
Europeans hate the British its a known fact, Portugal played as they always do, "dirty",but thats what you get.
We may of lost, but we have kept our standards of play and dignity right to the end.
Well done lads, and lets hope Portugal get a taste of their own medican by our other famous counterparts.
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VictorTroska
Jul 1 2006, 18:25
hate is big word ,we just dont like u kissing US ass all the time... and Portugal played dirty-dont think so http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
karantan
Jul 1 2006, 18:27
What striked me most in this match was that Scolari didn't budge an inch to change his 4-5-1 tactic when Wayne "The Balls Crusher" Rooney went out, so they 'dance' with all that army of midfielders around the england's defense like a cat around the hot meal. In Extra Time he moved Ronaldo(???) infront and that was it. Weird to say at least.
And it seems that acting and provoking is a cohesive part of portugal's tactic. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
blackjack[VS]
Jul 1 2006, 18:27
i just love to watch u guys and your terrible sportism. i know that portugal didnt played like they know/can, but like i told deco is a key player and he was off today. he's the brain on the midfield, +figo. about the dirty atitude u guys acused us...no coments. we made a clean game without any violence.
cant believe that u argument that rooney shoudlnt get a red card! he intencionaly steped carvalho on the balls!!! isnt that a dam agression?? if not what is an agression?
england was,is and will always be a good team. but sometimes there's others good teams that want to grab their chance.
did i already mentioned that portugal beats england in official matches in the last 40years???!! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif
now i want our brothers from brasil. THAT would be just awsome. at least if we lost against them, we'll lose to a decent team (with fair play, and that doesnt invent fake interviews of portuguese players).
FORÇA PORTUGAL!!
VictorTroska
Jul 1 2006, 18:30
ehehhehe,i agree 100% with u
@<hidden> July 01 2006,20:27)]at least if we lost against them, we'll lose to a decent team (with fair play, and that doesnt invent fake interviews of portuguese players).
FORÇA PORTUGAL!!
I wouldn't talk to big about portugal and fair play after their match vs holland. I only watched the second half, but what I saw wasn't close to fair play from either teams...
Smiley Nick
Jul 1 2006, 18:52
hate is big word ,we just dont like u kissing US ass all the time... and Portugal played dirty-dont think so http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
I think as a nation, Britain certainly has the right to "kiss us ass" as you so bluntly put it.
You may not like America, but its tough shit, American's will be our only true allie that we can rely on, when it comes to action(and a few others of course).
Im not one to go off topic but i just wanted to defend that post as im rather reluctant to be ruled by Brussels.
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif Have a good day
Heatseeker
Jul 1 2006, 18:53
I wouldn't talk to big about portugal and fair play after their match vs holland. I only watched the second half, but what I saw wasn't close to fair play from either teams...
I think experience makes them adapt to the oponents tactic, in Hollands case.. Kick them stronger and beat them harder!
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif .
Ex-RoNiN
Jul 1 2006, 18:55
The rules of the forum still apply, despite the football heartbreak.
Stay on topic, and don't post like a Sun/Bild author.
Europeans hate the British its a known fact, Portugal played as they always do, "dirty",but thats what you get.
Unless you are including self-loathing, I doubt that stands. Last time I checked Britain is in Europe.
Quote[/b] ]Im not one to go off topic but i just wanted to defend that post as im rather reluctant to be ruled by Brussels.
Ah, yes, it was an Argie-EU conspiracy to make Lampard, Gerrard and Carragher miss. It makes perfect sense. The match was played in Germany and the ref was Argentinian. Not to mention that Svennis Eriksson is not English, but yet another EU hack. Do you really think it is a coincidence that England can't seem to win against us Swedes?
There are a few reasons why seeing England lose can be amusing (broad generalization):
1) You take football way too seriously and severely overestimate the quality of your team each time
2) The tabloid mentality mixed with the most primitive forms of nationalism
3) The misbehaving supporters (far worse than any other country)
Having said that, I was rooting for England for most of this match as Portugal played IMO boring football (although not dirty, as you imply).
hate is big word ,we just dont like u kissing US ass all the time... and Portugal played dirty-dont think so http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
thats bull... most british hate US, its not our fault we have stupid tony blair sleeping with G. W. Bush
Unlucky to go out. Players played their hearts out when we went a man down and can't fault them for that.
England MOM is deffo Hargreaves. Went forward more then Gerrard and Lampard cus they cudn't be arsed to. Hargreaves is like a steam engine, non stop.
Hopefully Rooney knocks Ronaldos head off back at the Utd training ground. Anyone see that little gay wink he did to the bench? fucking portugese ****. The ref, you could see, was gonna just give a free kick and that it. He was waiting for the portugese player to stand up. Ronaldo came in and Rooney pushed him then the ref goes crazy and brandishes a red card. Why would of Ronaldo winked aswell??
We should of also had a penno when Lennon got into area, he also played dead good aswell.
blackjack[VS]
Jul 1 2006, 19:42
i'm now watching live in tv,the few portuguese fans around the stadium runing away in panic, with british hooligans scums trowing rocks on their heads. blood is being spilt just because they couldnt resist to cause caos in every stadium they step...before u say "just because some jerks do that, it doesnt mean english suporters are all the same!". its true, but why this always happen with the same fans!!? i also know germany,dutch and poland suporters like to cause caos sometimes, but england fans are always on the top of the black list...
on the other hand,its sad that some of u guys have a natural tendency to mix soccer with politics, history, wars,etc. we'r talking about wc here, so if u cant keep the conversation on the topic, plz go post somewhere else! glad admins werent sleeping or this thread would be spoiled.
so before u think i hate england or any other nation, i gota say that i have duzens of uk great friends, usa,spain,brasil(sister in law is brasilian). the only plp i hate is terrorists, and my neighbourg...
now i'm gona watch brasil-france and wait for the result.
so...plz stay on topic!
Monkey Lib Front
Jul 1 2006, 19:55
3) The misbehaving supporters (far worse than any other country)
ermm yea right maybe the late 80's early 90's but that is no longer the case, poland and the estern bloc countries are more of a problem these days but then again you being a European i guess you just can't shake that stereotype of England fans being hooligans.
da12thMonkey
Jul 1 2006, 19:59
The Lennon thing definitely wasn't a penalty, they got the ball cleanly.
I'm not sure on Rooney getting sent of, couldn't really tell how much intent there was with regards to stepping on the chaps nads. Ronaldo was acting like a complete tosser though. In the end, the whole Rooney thing wasn't a deciding factor in my eyes, he held the ball well for Lampard, Gerrard and on occasion the Coles, to come in down the wings, but Crouchy did it slightly better.
Our performance wasn't the best, but it was spirited and our defense didn't bugger up as much as they have done previously. I think we deserved to win because of our attitude; some of Portugese side has cast a poor light over the rest of the team in at least the past 2 games, something that I think is a shame considering the talent of many of those players.
Unfortunately it was decided on penalties, which don't favour any side, regardless of how much they want or deserve to win a game. IMO it came down to who had a better keeper.
Glad we went down fighting after some pretty poor performances though. I figured that if there was one game we deserved to win during this tournament, that was it; but looking back on the whole thing we probably didn't deserve to reach this stage.
3) The misbehaving supporters (far worse than any other country)
ermm yea right maybe the late 80's early 90's but that is no longer the case, poland and the estern bloc countries are more of a problem these days but then again you not being European i guess you just can't shake that stereotype of England fans being hooligans.
Me not European? I'm Swedish.
And yes, the English suporters have become better, but judging from the arrest statistics they are still by far the worst.
There are a few reasons why seeing England lose can be amusing (broad generalization):
1) You take football way too seriously and severely overestimate the quality of your team each time
2) The tabloid mentality mixed with the most primitive forms of nationalism
3) The misbehaving supporters (far worse than any other country)
Is being passionate and patriotic something to ridicule someone with? England's national sport is Football and we invented the bloody thing so I think we have a right to hope that one year our team can actually be successful.
As for hooliganism, I think that it's for the most part been eradicated
da12thMonkey
Jul 1 2006, 20:06
but judging from the arrest statistics they are still by far the worst.
Got a link where the statistics are published, out of interest? I've been looking for them myself
Oh and stainer, FIFA recognises China as the birthplace of football. There are records of it there before there are any in the UK.
Is being passionate and patriotic something to ridicule someone with?
When it is over the top, yes.
Quote[/b] ]England's national sport is Football and we invented the bloody thing so I think we have a right to hope that one year our team can actually be successful.
Of course, but there is a great discrepancy between what you expect from your team and what they actually manage to accomplish. And it's that way every world or European cup.
da12thMonkey:
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Got a link where the statistics are published, out of interest?
No, not really, mostly anecdotal evidence from the news (primarily bbc rss feed). There are a couple of articles on the subject though. Do a search on google news for "hooliganism" and you'll find plenty of articles like this one:
http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArt....1588263 (http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=105&ArticleID=1588263) that discusses the return of English hooliganism.
Monkey Lib Front
Jul 1 2006, 20:21
3) The misbehaving supporters (far worse than any other country)
ermm yea right maybe the late 80's early 90's but that is no longer the case, poland and the estern bloc countries are more of a problem these days but then again you not being European i guess you just can't shake that stereotype of England fans being hooligans.
Me not European? I'm Swedish.
And yes, the English suporters have become better, but judging from the arrest statistics they are still by far the worst.
was an edit error as i forgot to delete the not, but your still pulling the english hooligan statitiscs thing from your arse.
Oh and stainer, FIFA recognises China as the birthplace of football. There are records of it there before there are any in the UK.
Well that was 2,300 years ago when some Chinese guys began kicking a ball and called it Cuju. Cuju is barely recognisable as football, the ball isn't even allowed to touch the ground, England is still the birthplace of the modern game.
As for expecting England to be better than they are, well that's just how many English are. I don't think any English fan actually thought that England would win the World Cup, but we are in it to at least attempt to win.
England aren't a bad team, they have managed to reach the last 8 in the world, it's just warped memories of 40 years ago return and we always hope to relive those moments.
deanosbeano
Jul 1 2006, 20:36
i have some advice for you all.i know its hard ,when the English bashers abuse the world cup thread to give us some shit.
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/6518/donotfeedtroll23hx.jpg
Do Not Feed The Trolls.
but your still pulling the english hooligan statitiscs thing from your arse.
No, actually from my web browser:
http://news.google.com/news?hl....rrested (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&q=fans+arrested)
(Google News search on "fans arrested")
You can browse through page after page and they are all about English fans getting arrested.
Still most of those are duplicate results, and the media knows English fans have a reputation and they use it to their advantage.
Edit:- Exactly Placebo
You can browse through page after page and they are all about English fans getting arrested.
And we can all google "racist fans" and find page after page about Spanish and Italian fans (out of the Western European countries, no point even discussing racist attitudes amongst Eastern European countries) but of course it's always England fans who are the evil scum........
That's ignoring the fact that a large part of the problem is that FIFA still allow tickets to be sold at grounds on the day, instead of limiting the sale to members of the official England fan club, which is controlled and organised and members are significantly less prone to any form of violence or illegal activity.
So watching fooball live should be limited to fan club members? Now that's something that would definitely suck!
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I liked Ronaldo's desperate foot plants.
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Et un, et un, et un, zéro.
So watching fooball live should be limited to fan club members? Now that's something that would definitely suck!
Why would it suck if you know that the people watching with you are real fans and not scummy thugs who are there solely to cause trouble? If I'm watching a football match I'd like to know the guy next to me is a human being, not a violent thug or a racist piece of dirt.
wow, Zidane is a magician.
However, at the beginning the game was quite boring, but after the French made the goal. Wow, the game was actually worth looking.
Nice game France http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Sanctuary
Jul 1 2006, 21:15
Ah , it was a good match tonight.
France deserved the victory after playing a better football than Brazil, and they won logically. As i said, it seems the better is their opponent , the better France is playing.
Despite it was the same players, it seems the french team that played there had really nothing in common with the hopeless tired team that faced the Swiss and South Korea in the 1st turn.
Now to the semi final, i hope they will continue on this excellent way.
Wow, France all the way... it was funny to see 3-4 french players hold the ball in the brazilian half for more than 5 minutes http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
Go France! One more match for Zidane, finally a very good match by him!
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>Kick these Portuguese divers out...</span> http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif
So watching fooball live should be limited to fan club members? Now that's something that would definitely suck!
Why would it suck if you know that the people watching with you are real fans and not scummy thugs who are there solely to cause trouble? If I'm watching a football match I'd like to know the guy next to me is a human being, not a violent thug or a racist piece of dirt.
Yes, but most people will not join a club just for being able to watch a game live - it works the other way around: people find that they like the experience and then they join the club.
I know I wouldn't join a fan club for the sake of being able to watch a game or two a year, nor would anyone I know.
You can browse through page after page and they are all about English fans getting arrested.
And we can all google "racist fans" and find page after page about Spanish and Italian fans (out of the Western European countries, no point even discussing racist attitudes amongst Eastern European countries) but of course it's always England fans who are the evil scum........
That's ignoring the fact that a large part of the problem is that FIFA still allow tickets to be sold at grounds on the day, instead of limiting the sale to members of the official England fan club, which is controlled and organised and members are significantly less prone to any form of violence or illegal activity.
Well, it's true that the English get more attention because of their history, but still, the mass arrests (200-500 people at once) have been of English troublemakers. Of course, one could say that the German police is biased, but at some point you have to face the possibility that there might be something factual behind it.
As for a "racist fans" google news search, while the Spanish do pop up, it's not nearly as dominant as the English on the "arrested fans". In addition, you might have noticed that English fans are also mentioned on the first page of news results when searching for "racist fans":
http://news.google.com/news?hl....ch+News (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&q=racist+fans&btnG=Search+News)
As for FIFA limiting the sales, well while I do get your point, I wholeheartedly disagree with you. It would be really sad if you had to be a member of an official football fan club to go and watch a game. I think that first of all that it's treating the symptoms rather than the disease. And second, the only result would be in hooligans enlisting in football clubs. It's not like there's an entrance exam, right?
Edit:
By the way, Brazil-France - awesome. Although I never can bring myself to dislike Brazil's football, I did like the outcome of the match and especially Zidan's contribution..
da12thMonkey
Jul 1 2006, 21:35
but your still pulling the english hooligan statitiscs thing from your arse.
No, actually from my web browser:
http://news.google.com/news?hl....rrested (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&q=fans+arrested)
(Google News search on "fans arrested")
You can browse through page after page and they are all about English fans getting arrested.
That's a very poor way of generating statistical sample.
Simply looking at the number of news-pages in english with a mention of hooliganism or fan arrests as a measure of the population of fan-violence in Germany is extremely un-reliable: as stated, there will be multiple articles on the same event, the news stories are in English, so they are far more likely to be about English fans: There's something out there called the concept of News Values, that describes the conventions of news stories that are published, relative to the expectations and interests of the publication's audience; basically, anything about english-speaking people, is more likely to be published by english-speaking media outlets, than if it's about who are further outside the audience's cultural proximity, especially if the story agrees with the audience's prior expectations. If you searched, say a Polish news-page for stories about fans being arrested, you'd probably find more stories about polish fans being arrested.
This effects search engines especially, since the pages with the most hits will be returned before those that have been looked at less. Creating a sample by sytematically going from the first result, to the next result until you have looked at as many results as you want for your sample is highly unlikely to create statistics that represent the entire population you're investigating; especially if the results are in some sort of order, rather than arranged randomly. This method would only come close to being a reliable measure if you read the figures on the number of fans arrested in all 1,170 articles the search returns, and eliminated repeated incidents.
Unless you have figures for the total number of fans arrested, and the team they support (or at least their nationality) you can't really claim that english fans are statistically the worste. I'm not denying that there is the posibility or indeed any liklihood, that we've had more arrests then any other nation (especially as the Poles were knocked out in the first round http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif), but I think it's unreasonable to claim it its a statistical fact.
Like I said, I'm interested in seeing some genuine statistics from say the German police; I'm conscerned by any violence comitted by English fans and want to know if we really are cleaning up our act, and deserve the reputation we still seem to have.
Oh, and congrats to France!
blackjack[VS]
Jul 1 2006, 21:36
congrats france! looks like we'll a have the euro2000 semi-final replay match. i couldnt see tonight match http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif , but for what i could watch in 5min, it was a clean and fair victory. so for those who called zidane a pensionist... sad i cant play against our brazilian brothers, but the "tricoleurs" are nice to.
Soldierg36
Jul 1 2006, 21:39
winner world cup 2006 : France http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Zinedine Zidane for me is the most valuable team player ever played on Earth. His gameplay is like magic...there`s no other word to explain!. And this is only his average gameplay showen today against Brasil.
Zizou all the way !http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif
Berghoff
Jul 1 2006, 21:48
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif Wha Brazil played badly. Nice victory for France
That's a very poor way of generating statistical sample.
Absolutely, as I said, I only had anecdotal evidence (i.e my subjective impressions of the news that I've seen)
Quote[/b] ]Unless you have figures for the total number of fans arrested, and the team they support (or at least their nationality) you can't really claim that english fans are statistically the worste. I'm not denying that there is the posibility that we've had more arrests then any other nation (especially as the Poles were knocked out in the first round http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif), but I think it's unreasonable to claim it its a statistical fact.
I won't argue with you there. However as we are talking about pretty large-scale events (such as arrests of hundreds of fans), it is unlikely that for instance there would be no report of 500 Swedes or 500 Poles being arrested. With hundreds of supporters involved it has news value, regardless of where they are from. For instance the only other large-scale arrest that has taken place (300 fans, a mix of Germans and Poles) was prominently featured in the news. The bottom line is that while I can't give any exact numbers with a reasonable confidence, getting a good picture of the large arrests is not impossible and thus deducing whose supporters top the arrest list.
Zinedine Zidane for me is the most valuable team player ever played on Earth. His gameplay is like magic...there`s no other word to explain!. And this is only his average gameplay showen today against Brasil.
Zizou all the way !http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif
It was his first good match out of the last 8. Okay, the last one was good, too, but the six matches before were just crap (in the world Cup, of course). http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
But I agree, he's a very good player and it's nice to see that he has a pleasant end for his career. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
karantan
Jul 1 2006, 22:06
Now it's clear that previous bad performances on this championship from Brazil were the real indicator of (current) possibilities of this team. There's no place for Pop icons in this sport, but only for the real sportsmen, and right is so.
To comment the overall performance from France is the best to use this quote:
As i said, it seems the better is their opponent , the better France is playing.
Despite it was the same players, it seems the french team that played there had really nothing in common with the hopeless tired team that faced the Swiss and South Korea in the 1st turn.
Now to the semi final, i hope they will continue on this excellent way.
True, very true.
Chris Death
Jul 1 2006, 23:36
Wow http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Thx Zizou for your answer to replies like: 'if one is to old
he is too old no matter ....' anybody remember that one http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
It was a little bit like the 98 final, when Brazil was way to
nervous and couldn't get anything right - just one difference
98' France made 3 06' just 1 goal.
Brazilians did look very helpless tonight and French were
always doubl'ing Brazilian offensives what ended in nothing
usefull for the Samba team.
French players were almost everytime the 'one step' faster,
like those days when they became champions WC and EC.
btw - Ribery shouldn't be forgotten - he's made an awful
performance too and also Viera - formerly known as Mr. Yellow Card guaranted, nowadays laid off his yellows and
has become a very constructive player.
The devensive performance of France in general at this
tournament was amazing besides that one mistake against
South Korea.
Anywayz - Brazil was before the first game started not my
favourite and i wasn't surprised either that Argentinia yesterday failed.
Europe to Europeans and Rest of the world to errm Brazilians
(well and South America to Argentinians too). http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Allez les Bleu http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif (my first Banana ever on this forums) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
~S~ CD
solomeo_paredes
Jul 2 2006, 06:01
what a great game GOOO FRANCE!!!!!!!!!! all the way to the final
ProfTournesol
Jul 2 2006, 08:47
It's time for the banana dance : http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif
Brazil - France was wonderfull quarter final match, thirty year old guys are still able to prove they are valuable, very cool that we'll fight our way to the final against our portuguese friends http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
But if we win again, i'll really become Champagne -oholic...the little indians dancing into my brain this morning are really making too much noise... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
So sad, france does not deserve to win anything with their crapass "chauvinisme" that can be heard around the globe, i hope Portugal kick those crappy actors out of this tournament i'm sure the french paid the ref again goddamn france burn in hell http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/pistols.gif
So sad, france does not deserve to win anything with their crapass "chauvinisme" that can be heard around the globe, i hope Portugal kick those crappy actors out of this tournament i'm sure the french paid the ref again goddamn france burn in hell http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/pistols.gif
Huh? The ref didn't give Fr a penatly (last minute of first half), only a free kick...
And about "actors": During this WC Portugal had the best actors/worst divers, so we all hope that they get kicked out http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Chris Death
Jul 2 2006, 10:04
So sad, france does not deserve to win anything with their crapass "chauvinisme" that can be heard around the globe, i hope Portugal kick those crappy actors out of this tournament i'm sure the french paid the ref again goddamn france burn in hell http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/pistols.gif
Well i suggest next time you should watch a game before
you make comments about the 'how it happened' http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
~S~ CD
i'm sure the french paid the ref again goddamn france burn in hell http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/pistols.gif
...referee has nothing with any game score! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif , not just on wc2006 but with every single football game match!. If you're smart enough you could understand why http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif.
the England Portugal game was a complete farce... neither team deserved to win the game, but such poor fair play by the portugese players, who seem to have learnt nothing from the Holland match. Ronaldo was a disgrace to his country and the game - everytime he managed to get a freekick from falling over, or getting rooney sent off by mouthing off into the guys face, he'd do his little wink at the bench... Although i agree rooney was his own maker with that red card, and england didnt miss him after that - he was playing a useless game.
im amazed ronaldo can walk down the street without falling over every 5m. Both teams were less than motivated, and it pays credit to england that they held off a cheating portugese team with 10 men, and came closer to winning that match with 10men, than portugal did for the whole game. Congratulations to portugal for winning, but perhaps against france they may be able to play 90 minutes without falling over for no apparent reason. Ricardo was an inspiration, and all credit to him in the penalties - HE deserved to win, not ronaldo or figo.
The france/brazil game was a delight. Brazil came on the pitch with their usual bravado and holier than thou attitude, and France played them out of the game, thoroughly deserving to win the match. The goal was sublime, a treat to watch. The whole match was a credit to the world cup as well, hardly any cards, a mimimal of diving, and a smooth free flowing game where there werent players howling and rolling around on the pitch claiming they've been hurt by a blade of grass (portugese women - I still cant fathom how a rugby player my size (about the same as someone like figo) can run around the pitch being battered and punched and stepped on for the whole match and not start crying from some bullshit injury ronaldo/figo's trying to claim - utter pussies)
Bring on france for the next match - im just waiting for veira to plant an elbow into ronaldo's smug little face - ugly bastard that he is. Ribbery will run circles around them all.
and this comes from a man who supports none of the 4 teams.
Well deserved win for France, good match, played in the right spirit with no cheating. Give the Portuguese a good thrashing for all of England http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Well deserved win for France, good match, played in the right spirit with no cheating. Give the Portuguese a good thrashing for all of England http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
spot on - think i'll be watching that match down the pub http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
VictorTroska
Jul 2 2006, 12:36
Nice game,bad playing by Brazil (fat Ronaldo just know to throw himself and hope that ref will give him free kick,Kaka invisible whole match...),France was way better.I just dont understand how they let Henry alone without anybody watching at him (real Brazil would never do this).And the best player was Zidane,what a skill,he was playing with all hot Brazil stars whole match-he was untouchable
I can see France in the final with Germany,but i give advantage to Germany.
Deutschland über alles http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/pistols.gif
fat Ronaldo
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
so true http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
And about "actors": During this WC Portugal had the best actors/worst divers, so we all hope that they get kicked out http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Hehe, indeed. They have learned from the masters (Italians) and taken it a step further.
Although it's not good football and as long as the ref doesn't buy it, it can be entertaining to watch. Many of the dives were quite advanced! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
As for France-Portugal, I'm hoping France. The only Portugese player I was impressed with was the goalie, Ricardo.
And Miguel http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/notworthy.gif
the England Portugal game was a complete farce... neither team deserved to win the game, but such poor fair play by the portugese players.
...Generaly i like English style of game play. It's like each player do one or two ball touchs on middle of the field while on oponents side three. It's most fastest game play of all teams and i like it.
Portugal game style is pitiable...i see no specific game at all http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif , they suck, while England was to eager to win in this mach.
oh yes...Ronaldo (Brazil) is so bye bye with career after this wc
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
blackjack[VS]
Jul 2 2006, 13:27
like i said the only scandal fake dive i saw in the match was done by maniche, and he should get a yellow for that. england player also simulated a penalty and got 1 yellow.
now about figo and he's "dives" i see it on a diferent perspective. some few players in the world have the hability to steal some faults to the oponents (clean and cleverly). i call that experience and being smart. since i remember figo playing for portugal (zidane does a lot of that to) i saw him dribling the ball like few guys can do...
so basicly when figo runs with the ball and an oponent gets in his front, he usually acelerates and deviates the ball to the sides, in the exact moment the oponent tryes to steal the ball. in 50% of this situations the oponent strikes his feet or legs, causing a fault.
like i say, i saw many (top) players doing this, and i usually call it experience,inteligence. maybe he's just an actor and i cant see it, and zidane, deco are from the same company!!
now about c.ronaldo...everyone knows he's a spoiled kid with loads of talent, but that doesnt make him a piece of crap like u painted him...personaly he's not my favourite player, but from what i know u guys from M.U. love him to the point of giving him the so special nr.7 shirt! why giving him such an honourable shirt if he's nothing but a bad actor??
today i read in newspapers that he will have a bad time when he gots to M.U., so they started talking about transfers to real madrid. hope that m.u. leaders/coach dont let that happen, or you gona lose a quality player.
what ronaldo did after rooney agression is more then normal i guess. he shouted to the ref to get that action punished. now plz dont tell me he's the only player that complains to the ref, when a team mate is attacked in front of ref eyes. i didnt saw him trying to hit rooney, but maybe i missed that part in the thrill of the game... for those who said he shouldnt get a red, plz check if u saw the same tv channel i did...
rooney agression (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OxhdsI-wk8&search=rooney%2Bred)
as for france...congrats again "le bleu's", and i'm really sure it will be the hardest match he'll have in wc. france showed why they got the semi's, beating the always awsome brazil. my hope is that scolari make a solid midefield, close marking on henry and zizou, and pray for god being portuguses again.
ProfTournesol
Jul 2 2006, 13:50
Quote[/b] ]So sad, france does not deserve to win anything with their crapass "chauvinisme" that can be heard around the globe, i hope Portugal kick those crappy actors out of this tournament i'm sure the french paid the ref again goddamn france burn in hell
Could we guys make a donation to that guy so that he can buy a brain... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/welcome.gif
I'm giving him 0,1 €, that's a good start i think http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/nener.gif
England hooligan label 'banished' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5138424.stm?ls)
Quote[/b] ]English football's hooligan reputation has been banished after a successful World Cup for fans, the UK police chief in Germany has said.
Assistant Chief Constable Steve Thomas was speaking after 80,000 England fans travelled to Gelsenkirchen to watch England lose on penalties to Portugal.
Quote[/b] ]German police arrested 120 England football fans in Gelsenkirchen after the team was knocked out of the World Cup.
They said many of the detentions were preventative and added that all of the fans had already been released.
Of the 6,000 people arrested so far in Germany, 711 have been English. Figures revealed that 510 of those arrests were in Stuttgart and 105 throughout the day on Saturday in Gelsenkirchen.
They included 50 people arrested for throwing beer at performers on a stage in the town centre.
VictorTroska
Jul 2 2006, 14:10
They included 50 people arrested for throwing beer at performers on a stage in the town centre. [/QUOTE]
eheheheh nice going,but why beer -to much preciouse to throw away http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
deanosbeano
Jul 2 2006, 14:12
Quote[/b] ]like i said the only scandal fake dive i saw in the match was done by maniche
nobody can blame you for having , rose coloured glasses , but since you mentioned only one dive, i thought maybe you missed this excellent 10/10 dive against holland. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif and henry france v spain
portugal (http://youtube.com/results?search=deco+dives+world+cup&search_type=search_videos&search=Search) versus
France (http://youtube.com/watch?v=rTGfyV_mgUk&mode=related&search=dives%20world%20cup)
many more but i think these are worse so far.
karantan
Jul 2 2006, 15:14
Quote[/b] ]like i said the only scandal fake dive i saw in the match was done by maniche
nobody can blame you for having , rose coloured glasses , but since you mentioned only one dive, i thought maybe you missed this excellent 10/10 dive against holland. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif and henry france v spain
portugal (http://youtube.com/results?search=deco+dives+world+cup&search_type=search_videos&search=Search) versus
France (http://youtube.com/watch?v=rTGfyV_mgUk&mode=related&search=dives%20world%20cup)
many more but i think these are worse so far.
Yeah. It's also very interesting to see how some people can be 'blind' or one-sided beyond beleief and any good taste when this suits them.
They included 50 people arrested for throwing beer at performers on a stage in the town centre.
eheheheh nice going,but why beer -to much preciouse to throw away http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif[/QUOTE]
Maybe the performers really, really sucked? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Sanctuary
Jul 2 2006, 15:22
That's why i never sing out of my shower, this way i have never had a single problem with flying beers http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
On topic,
I am really happy to see Zidane shutting down the mouth of all our french "sport journalists" with their "he is too old" , that's very pleasant to see his talent always alive on the field.
as i am born the same year as him that sure is improving my daily mood http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
It was probably Budweiser, which equals throwing sewage water, so no waste there http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
karantan
Jul 2 2006, 15:28
as i am born the same year as him (Zidane) that sure is improving my daily mood http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Dude, you're old! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif
Donnervogel
Jul 2 2006, 15:39
It was probably Budweiser, which equals throwing sewage water, so no waste there http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
eh take care with that allegadions. you speak of the fake Budweiser that should only be called "Bud". The real Budweiser is quality czech beer. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
It was probably Budweiser, which equals throwing sewage water, so no waste there http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
LOL, but Donner is right.
I am really happy to see Zidane shutting down the mouth of all our french "sport journalists" with their "he is too old" , that's very pleasant to see his talent always alive on the field.
as i am born the same year as him that sure is improving my daily mood http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gifHehe http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif
On topic: "Yesterday we became World Champion, now it's time to come in the finals of the European Championship on Tuesday" Jogi Löw, Klinsmann's assistant on saturday. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Ex-RoNiN
Jul 2 2006, 19:07
On topic: "Yesterday we became World Champion, now it's time to come in the finals of the European Championship on Tuesday" Jogi Löw, Klinsmann's assistant on saturday. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Witty.
Unfortunately for him, Greece is European Champion for another 2 years, so please tell him to go away http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Well deserved win for France, good match, played in the right spirit with no cheating. Give the Portuguese a good thrashing for all of England http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Maybe If England Supporters come in the Stadium to sing the "God Save the Queen" and "La Marseillaise" with their usual one voice for thousand of people http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/thumbs-up.gif
That's one thing that i've never missed his world cup, the god save the queen before the match, full of emotion.
I hope that Our "Oldies" will beat portugal, but with nice football like against Brazil. I'm Afraid of an Another Netherlands-Portugal match.
So we will try to reach the cup.
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