Star Wars vs. Star Trek

[Ex-RoNiN]

Who do you think would win in a war? The Federation or the Empire? Or would the Borg take it all?

[foxer]

for some reason star trek gives me a headache,but starwars sucks also,atleast the new ones do.

[brgnorway]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @<hidden> Jan. 21 2002,00:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who do you think would win in a war? The Federation or the Empire? Or would the Borg take it all?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Dr Who will do the business. I&#39;m certain of it&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Die Alive]

Ewoks ALL THE WAY&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
http://www.starwars.com/databank/species/ewok/img/movie_bg.jpg

I used to debate way back in highschool about this subject, such as who would win in a fight Worf or Chewbacca; or the Enterprise vs. Star Destroyer.

-=Die Alive=-

[brgnorway]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @<hidden> Jan. 21 2002,02:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I used to debate way back in highschool about this subject, such as who would win in a fight Worf or Chewbacca; or the Enterprise vs. Star Destroyer.

-=Die Alive=-[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The one to the left kinda looks like my dog???
What if the aliens showed up - or Missy Ripley?

[Blink Dog]

Battle would go like this:
Federation  ship would drop out of warp and hail star destroyer because it is the PC thing to do (star trek = Canada in space). Darth Vader seeing Jean Luc Retard would choke him using his ultra cool choke from the other side of the galaxy power. Empire wins&#33; I find your lack of faith disturbing.

[brgnorway]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Battle would go like this:
Federation  ship would drop out of warp and hail star destroyer because it is the PC thing to do (star trek = Canada in space). Darth Vader seeing Jean Luc Retard would choke him using his ultra cool choke from the other side of the galaxy power. Empire wins&#33; I find your lack of faith disturbing.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Never heard about Dr. Who then. He would scare the living daylights out of Mr Wader. Just one look at the fella would make Spock&#39;s ears turn normal&#33;
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

http://www.unseenuni.freeserve.co.uk/Tom_Baker_4.jpg

[Assault (CAN)]

IMO they both suck. I hate science fiction. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Tyler

[R. Gerschwarzenge]

You blasphemer&#33; http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Sith]

For those of you still in doubt of the might of the Galactic Empire, I advise you to check out this (http://www.cee-gee.net/Movies/Download/JTE.bik) piece of art (Bink Player (http://www.radgametools.com/bnkmain.htm) required) http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Gorgi Knootewoot]

http://www.lucasarts.com/products/outcast/images/screens/45.jpg

The empire rules. Even after the destruction of Emperor Palpentine, the empire remains a pain in the @<hidden> for Kyle Katarn. The Empire could wipe the federation and the Borg out of existance in a nose blow.

STARWARS RULES

[Rogue2020]

Are you guys stupid...the borg could kick anything&#39;s ass except for 8472......all the shit is just for the show.....like first contact...one borg cube heading for earth...wow that&#39;s allot when in an episode of voyager they sent 2 cubes and a diamond to assimilate a planet with like 400,000 people on it with no more than 30 ships or so.....

But when it comes to what I like better it would be star trek....it&#39;s a way more realistic show than star wars.....


And another point is I get the impression that in star wars they use lasers...well I know that lasers cannot get through their shields on star trek.......other wise it&#39;s a fucking joke to ask would the enterprise win against a star destroyer...you have any idea how fucking big those star destroyers are.....

[R. Gerschwarzenge]

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Only way to stop the Borgs is to install Windows95 on their motherships mainframe. That hogs their system resources.
I learned that trick from Star Wreck (http://starwreck.peliportti.net/) V.

[Rogue2020]

Well I mean when it comes to who would win.....yeah a death star could blow up a cube but none of the big shit in star wars has shields....I know some stuff does but not on the outside....the borg would beam in and assimilate everyone.....

Who gives a fuck in the end after all it is just a damn show....things like the borg can exist...I mean nothing is special about it but why would a race do that?......that&#39;s not what I call perfection.....

[Ex-RoNiN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rogue2020 @<hidden> Jan. 21 2002,11:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well I mean when it comes to who would win.....yeah a death star could blow up a cube but none of the big shit in star wars has shields....I know some stuff does but not on the outside....the borg would beam in and assimilate everyone.....

Who gives a fuck in the end after all it is just a damn show....things like the borg can exist...I mean nothing is special about it but why would a race do that?......that&#39;s not what I call perfection.....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
They are doing it because they aint perfect yet http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[MAsta KFC]

The Borg apart from their adaption skillz, are quite hopeless in hand-to-hand combat. I remember in first contact, all Picard has to do was conjure a tommy gun in the holo-room and mow them down. Vader, with his lightsaber, would cut thru them like hot knife through butter.

[Placebo]

I voted for the latter http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Damage Inc]

The Empire would win because the Federation guys are such pussies and Darth Vader would kill them. Then the Death Star would destroy those dumbass cubes http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[christophercles]

err dath vader is dead, the federation are the good guys, so by definition would always win, in both the star wars and star trek universes, and the empire already got its asses KICKXORED (sorry) buy a bunch of whiney rebels.

[Pete]

come on....can you guys realistically (heheh) say that darth maul would get his ass handed back to him by some borgs?

what might happen, is that the borgs would be convinced to join the dark side and then they together would go after the ewoks, i would like to see some furry ewok-borgs http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Damage Inc]

Nah Darth Maul was dead when the Empire was founded.

[PHY_Hawkeye]

The Empire would win, simply because they would build another Death Star. Now we all know Death Stars are at risk from small fighter craft, but:

1- All federation pilots are crap
2- The federation has no good fighters anyway.

Buy the time the feds got around to deciding whether to talk to the Imps or run away screaming, they&#39;ed be atomised.

Anyway why is a thread like this on an OFP forum?

[Damage Inc]

Because this is the Offtopic section?

[Ex-RoNiN]

Imagine if the Borg would assimilate the Death Star or a Super Star Destroyer http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[Damage Inc]

Nah they couldn&#39;t even get close with their stupid cubes. And they could get some dumbass to fly into the cockpit of the SSD.

[Krusty]

I think the empire would have trouble dealing with transporter technology. Warp in, beam photon torpedo into power core (or better yet, blob of anti-matter), warp away... etc.

[Blink Dog]

Okay you trekkies are phucked. Yes they would use their transporters and their proton torpedo warp phaser wiz bang deflector dish look at us beat up the klingons again techonolgy. But remember a few things:
1. Wesley Crusher often saved the day, how f&#39;n lame batman&#33;
2. The federation is the Canadian government gone high tech, they would form a multi million dollar commitee to come up with the idea to do nothing, because the prime directive may be violated.
3. Out of all the star trek series only Kirk would even have a hope in hell of defeating the empire, he would sleep with the emperors daughter and get her pregnant forcing the emperor to accept him as a son in law.
4. In the Empire if you F-up you get choked by Darth Vader and the guy below you gets promoted. "Appology accepted Admiral&#33;" In the federation you get a three month holiday on rigel 4 with your ships concellor to discuss your "minor mishap" (please note at this point the earth has been assimilated by the borg or just plain blown up by the Death Star).

[Rogue2020]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Borg apart from their adaption skillz, are quite hopeless in hand-to-hand combat. I remember in first contact, all Picard has to do was conjure a tommy gun in the holo-room and mow them down. Vader, with his lightsaber, would cut thru them like hot knife through butter.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It&#39;s just for the show though.....the borg have personal shields....that means no bullet could ever get through them....all for show....but other wise sure they are good for combat because:

1.The shields
2.super strength
3.assimilation ability

Light sabers can not get through shields either....

[MAsta KFC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rogue2020 @<hidden> Jan. 22 2002,06:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Borg apart from their adaption skillz, are quite hopeless in hand-to-hand combat. I remember in first contact, all Picard has to do was conjure a tommy gun in the holo-room and mow them down. Vader, with his lightsaber, would cut thru them like hot knife through butter.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It&#39;s just for the show though.....the borg have personal shields....that means no bullet could ever get through them....all for show....but other wise sure they are good for combat because:

1.The shields
2.super strength
3.assimilation ability

Light sabers can not get through shields either....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hmmm, I haven&#39;t watched the series, but in the movie it doesn&#39;t look like they have personal shields. Apart from my Picard example, I remember Worf and his blade along with Data kicking those slow arsed borg. They might be strong, but they look very slow to be. Besides, Vader might not even need to come close, he&#39;ll just use the force to rip them apart or throw them continously against a bulkhead until they&#39;re pulp.

[Ex-RoNiN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MAsta KFC @<hidden> Jan. 22 2002,13:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Borg apart from their adaption skillz, are quite hopeless in hand-to-hand combat. I remember in first contact, all Picard has to do was conjure a tommy gun in the holo-room and mow them down. Vader, with his lightsaber, would cut thru them like hot knife through butter.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It&#39;s just for the show though.....the borg have personal shields....that means no bullet could ever get through them....all for show....but other wise sure they are good for combat because:

1.The shields
2.super strength
3.assimilation ability

Light sabers can not get through shields either....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hmmm, I haven&#39;t watched the series, but in the movie it doesn&#39;t look like they have personal shields. Apart from my Picard example, I remember Worf and his blade along with Data kicking those slow arsed borg. They might be strong, but they look very slow to be. Besides, Vader might not even need to come close, he&#39;ll just use the force to rip them apart or throw them continously against a bulkhead until they&#39;re pulp.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
In the movie they are dead fast man&#33; When they attack engineering and data gets captured...did u see how quick they assimilated the whole team&#33;?

By the way, in X-Wing (old StarWars game) lasers range was less than 2 km and in Starfleet command weapon ranges are tens or hundreds of thousands of kilometres...

And I got a new wacky subject to discuss: Federation vs. Babylon5-world. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Pukko]

NO offence dear US citizens, I just think this pic is very interesting thinking bout the Empire and the fellows who want ot stop them...

http://tihlde.org/~larstr/wtc/img/empiredrioid.jpg

[MrLaggy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PHY_Hawkeye @<hidden> Jan. 21 2002,20:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Empire would win, simply because they would build another Death Star.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yes, but the Empire needs huge battle-stations the size of a moon to destroy planets, whereas the Federation can do it with Genesis-bombs which you could fit in the back of a pick-up, let alone a fighter. No contest.

[Rogue2020]

Your right about him using the force against em.....they do have shields though....infact in first contact they did but for some reason the writers thought bullets could get through an electro static forcefield....

[Rogue2020]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MrLaggy @<hidden> Jan. 22 2002,05:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Empire would win, simply because they would build another Death Star.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yes, but the Empire needs huge battle-stations the size of a moon to destroy planets, whereas the Federation can do it with Genesis-bombs which you could fit in the back of a pick-up, let alone a fighter. No contest.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well the death star blows up an entire planet.....genesis only kills everything on the planet....but now I think about how that one in star trek 3 was it?...that the planet blew up from it......

but still transporters can do so much more than beam people in...what about beaming them out...just target hundreds of people and beam em into space...... http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Thehamster]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rogue2020 @<hidden> Jan. 22 2002,20:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Empire would win, simply because they would build another Death Star.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yes, but the Empire needs huge battle-stations the size of a moon to destroy planets, whereas the Federation can do it with Genesis-bombs which you could fit in the back of a pick-up, let alone a fighter. No contest.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well the death star blows up an entire planet.....genesis only kills everything on the planet....but now I think about how that one in star trek 3 was it?...that the planet blew up from it......

but still transporters can do so much more than beam people in...what about beaming them out...just target hundreds of people and beam em into space...... http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Let rember all that the death star can be taken out by a bunch of poxy little rebal fighters.

[PHY_Hawkeye]

Yes but my point is the Feds don&#39;t have any good pilots to put into "poxy little fighters"

[Thehamster]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PHY_Hawkeye @<hidden> Jan. 22 2002,21:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes but my point is the Feds don&#39;t have any good pilots to put into "poxy little fighters"[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Nope they got thoes big ass poxy starships

[Diablo_NL]

LEt&#39;s just face it the borg will assimilated by the borg.
We will all be added to the colective.
I forgot the rest im hoping a trekkie i know whould show up.

HEY SE7EN i need ur help here&#33;

By the way, what do you think that would happen at Babylon5-guys vs. Federation? http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

(There&#39;s no shields at babylon5 so I guess that federation would win http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

[christophercles]

The federation do so have good fighters, the perigrin class.

[MrLaggy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rogue2020 @<hidden> Jan. 22 2002,22:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well the death star blows up an entire planet.....genesis only kills everything on the planet....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Somehow I don&#39;t think that would make much difference to the people on the planet&#33;

[Damage Inc]

I think the Shivans from the Freespace series would 0wn both the Federation and the guys from Babylon 5.

[silent wings]

The borg would take all, cos the majority of weapons in star wars are energy weapons and the borg adapt to them and so the borg would win&#33;&#33;

[Sith]

Hmmm....do they have Ion Cannons in the ST universe? Cuz the average SW ship has a whole bunch of em, and since I dont recall the Borg cubes having any shields, one good Ion punch would shut down the entire cube and all the Borg inside it (cuz of them depending on their implants so much).

And to get back on the matter of light sabres...I think they&#39;d slice through the Borg shields without any problems, because they dont move at the speed of a fired projectile/beam. Slow objects should be able to penetrate it, otherwise the Borg wouldn&#39;t be able to grab any objects/persons, or let alone even walk.

[Rogue2020]

No they couldn&#39;t get through them because for one they are lasers....

and remember in episode one that shield/force field was inbetween them and dark maul hit it with his saber and couldn&#39;t get through....

[Chris Death]

In regard to what "the force" can do, don&#39;t forget
what the continum is able to do. Who cares about
100&#39;s of Jedi&#39;s or Sith&#39;s, if "Q" only needs to snap
with his fingers and they are all balls on a christmas tree,
or worms in a piece of dog&#39;s sh**.
I love the Star Wars Saga, but i still think they,
and no other&#39;s too would have any chance against
the whole complex Star Trek univers.

[Wobble]

If I remember correctly.. the Borg could assimalate/adapt to weapons.. so you might kill a few with on thing but soon they become immune to it... I think the reason they were killed by the Tommy gun was because they could not adapt to a solid object like that (bullet).. .. and couldent their ships do the same thing (cant remember).. so you may destroy 1 cube, but the next would be impervious to the weapon that attacked the first...


http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[christophercles]

the borg do have incredibly strong shields, it just takes them 1 or 2 shots to adapt to a new weapon, but im sure they would have encountered someone using an ion cannon somwhere, so they would be ready for it.

[Rogue2020]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @<hidden> Jan. 25 2002,20:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I remember correctly.. the Borg could assimalate/adapt to weapons.. so you might kill a few with on thing but soon they become immune to it...  I think the reason they were killed by the Tommy gun was because they could not adapt to a solid object like that (bullet).. ..  and couldent their ships do the same thing (cant remember).. so you may destroy 1 cube, but the next would be impervious to the weapon that attacked the first...


http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It&#39;s bullshit...they have to adapt because they are energy weapons...solid objects shouldn&#39;t get through at all.....you could use a force field as a bridge......

[residuum]

Has anyone noticed that the Borg are exactly like the Zerg from Starcraft, but are opposites? Borg = Mech, Zerg = Bio.

Both 4 letters. Both end with G. Both do things as a whole and have no individuals. Both move from planet to planet adding things to them from the things they encounter.

INTERESTING

[Ex-RoNiN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @<hidden> Jan. 27 2002,04:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Has anyone noticed that the Borg are exactly like the Zerg from Starcraft, but are opposites?  Borg = Mech, Zerg = Bio.

Both 4 letters.  Both end with G.   Both do things as a whole and have no individuals.  Both move from planet to planet adding things to them from the things they encounter.

INTERESTING[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
THERE IS A UNIVERSE-WIDE CONSPIRACY TO ADD US TO AN INTER-GALACTIC COLLECTIVE AND MAKE US ALL WANT TO WATCH TOP-OF-THE-POPS AND CORONATION STREET&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Frizbee]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rogue2020 @<hidden> Jan. 21 2002,11:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">that&#39;s not what I call perfection.....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Small words, from a small mind trying to attack what it doesn&#39;t understand..

We strive for perfection.

We are the Borg, lower your shields and surrender your ships, we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us.

Resistance is futile.

[Rogue2020]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @<hidden> Jan. 26 2002,16:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Has anyone noticed that the Borg are exactly like the Zerg from Starcraft, but are opposites?  Borg = Mech, Zerg = Bio.

Both 4 letters.  Both end with G.   Both do things as a whole and have no individuals.  Both move from planet to planet adding things to them from the things they encounter.

INTERESTING[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well star trek&#39;s borg were around way before star craft...

[Rogue2020]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frizbee @<hidden> Jan. 27 2002,20:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">that&#39;s not what I call perfection.....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Small words, from a small mind trying to attack what it doesn&#39;t understand..

We strive for perfection.

We are the Borg, lower your shields and surrender your ships, we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us.

Resistance is futile.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Who tries to be perfect?...I don&#39;t...it&#39;s not even possible for anything to be perfect and even if it was what the fuck is perfect?....it all comes down to opinion...what a single person find&#39;s perfect....

I&#39;m sure though a small mind...I understand things with a depth that no one could possibly understand......

[Oligo]

Borg-type civilizations are what Ian M. Banks calls a Giant Hegemonizing Swarm. These swarms convert everything (all mass) to their own image. GHS type events are one of the outside context problems a advanced, peaceful, starfaring civilization can encounter. You should all read The Use Of Weapons, Consider Phlebas, Look to Windward and Excession by Ian M. Banks. His other novels also rock.

[Vir]

You guys were MUCH too quick to discount the feds... here are some examples/arguments:

1. The empire has no transporters, so would have to land a ship on a fed ship to get people on board, and since fed ships also have shields, they would first need to disable it. After that, whats the point? so that means no darth vader w/light sabre (and besides the fed would kick the empires ass in close quarters, phasers vs those totally inacurate blasters)

2. As mentioned above, feds have shields, and the empire has that bad habit of pounding on enemy ships with hundreds of small lasers. In an episode of star trek i remember, the enterprise was being threatened by a race that used lasers, and someone mentioned that they would be almost useless against shields.

3. Darth Vaders Strangle thing was used only once, and from only about 10 feet away, that means that he could only do it from close range, otherwise why wouldnt he just strangle Luke+Han Solo and be over with it. Plus his being able to throw stuff around wouldnt be usefull, becuase he wouldnt be able to get near an enemy crew (refer to 1.).

4. The empire counts heavily on fighters and tiny little bombers that would most likely go unnoticed by a huge starship with shields able to survive many photon torpedoes.

5. When the empire and rebels finnally fought it out with big capital ships, did anyone notice how much of a pounding they could take from those puny lasers? even if they could get the sheilds of a fed ship down, it would take hours of blasting away to get a hull breach.

6. Star Destroyers were pathetic. If you take out their 2 towers, its deflectors go down, and even those puny y-wing bombers little missles could take it out. I remember from the game X-Wing taking out a star destroyer with a group of 3 X-Wings.

7. Speed: From what i remember in star wars, Han solos ship was supposed to be really fast, yet it only went the speed of light (correct me if im wrong) whereas fed ships can go up to warp 9. That and in battle fed ships move fast, and change course often, Whereas empire ships are usually standing still, or moving in a straight line.

8. The death star was meant to be used against PLANETS not fast moving starships. It couldnt track a ship with that huge laser, and i doubt anyone would be stupid enough to fly in front of it. Besides that it only had point defenses, like an aircraft carrier.

Hmm i probably missed something, but i think i did a good enough job. putting the empire up against the borg... now thats just dumb

(btw the reason the tommy gun went thru borg shields was becuase they were holographic, and the borg didnt consider them a threat. Sad that i know that, isnt it?)

[Shabadu]

Why the hell hasn&#39;t there benn a star-trek vs. star-wars game? I can even think up a plot and everything. It&#39;s not like crossovers are that hard.

[Ex-RoNiN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shabadu @<hidden> Jan. 28 2002,17:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why the hell hasn&#39;t there benn a star-trek vs. star-wars game? I can even think up a plot and everything. It&#39;s not like crossovers are that hard.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
There actually is one http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Not a game by itself, but a mod for Star Trek:Armada&#33;&#33; Amazing, innit&#33;?&#33;?&#33;

[Frizbee]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rogue2020 @<hidden> Jan. 28 2002,12:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">that&#39;s not what I call perfection.....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Small words, from a small mind trying to attack what it doesn&#39;t understand..

We strive for perfection.

We are the Borg, lower your shields and surrender your ships, we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us.

Resistance is futile.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Who tries to be perfect?...I don&#39;t...it&#39;s not even possible for anything to be perfect and even if it was what the fuck is perfect?....it all comes down to opinion...what a single person find&#39;s perfect....

I&#39;m sure though a small mind...I understand things with a depth that no one could possibly understand......[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Um.. obviously you haven&#39;t seen the Star Trek Movies... (First Contact especially)

That is what the Borg Queen answers when she is told that the borg aren&#39;t perfect...

The lower half is what the Borg say to species that they encounter..

that.. and "We have analysed your defensive capabilities as being unable to withstand us. Surrender yourself to us. We are the Borg, resistance is futile"

[Rogue2020]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">7. Speed: From what i remember in star wars, Han solos ship was supposed to be really fast, yet it only went the speed of light (correct me if im wrong) whereas fed ships can go up to warp 9. That and in battle fed ships move fast, and change course often, Whereas empire ships are usually standing still, or moving in a straight line.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Someone added it up once and warp 4 is like 200X the speed of light.....

[second_draw]

how would you "add it up" or "find out" what warp speed is in star trek... i doubt the script writers would be consistent with warp speed.

[Sith]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1. The empire has no transporters, so would have to land a ship on a fed ship to get people on board, and since fed ships also have shields, they would first need to disable it. After that, whats the point? so that means no darth vader w/light sabre (and besides the fed would kick the empires ass in close quarters, phasers vs those totally inacurate blasters)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Well....for starters the fact that your average ISD has several regiments of troops on board. The Imperial ships all have ship sections with big blastdoors, so the Feds will have one helluva hard time taking over an entire ship.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2. As mentioned above, feds have shields, and the empire has that bad habit of pounding on enemy ships with hundreds of small lasers. In an episode of star trek i remember, the enterprise was being threatened by a race that used lasers, and someone mentioned that they would be almost useless against shields.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

The SW universe doesnt use just &#39;lasers&#39;...they&#39;re TurboLasers. A standard laser consists of a focused beam, but the SW turbolasers seem to be more like slower moving &#39;packets&#39; of energy, most likely way more powerfull. And besides those, most ships carry Ion cannons aswell...great stuff to take out shields with. I dont recall the Feds ever using anti-shield Ion cannons or something (they just keep pounding on enemy ships with their weapons till the shields give up).

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">3. Darth Vaders Strangle thing was used only once, and from only about 10 feet away, that means that he could only do it from close range, otherwise why wouldnt he just strangle Luke+Han Solo and be over with it. Plus his being able to throw stuff around wouldnt be usefull, becuase he wouldnt be able to get near an enemy crew (refer to 1.).[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Tell that to Admiral Ozzel...Vader strangled him from another ship http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
The fact that he didnt &#39;just&#39; kill Luke and Han is simple (if you ever really watched to movies). He wanted to have Luke turn to the Dark side, and used both him and Han constantly to lead the Empire to the location of the Rebel Alliance. A dead man aint gonna tell/show you too much.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">4. The empire counts heavily on fighters and tiny little bombers that would most likely go unnoticed by a huge starship with shields able to survive many photon torpedoes.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

As seen in many SW games/books etc, the biggest mistake the Empire made was to underestimate the power of Rebel fighters. One single fighter might not be too much of a threat...but having several squadrons raping your shields will get your attention soon enough. A standard ISD has like 72 fighters/bombers on board...not something to underestimate I&#39;d say.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">5. When the empire and rebels finnally fought it out with big capital ships, did anyone notice how much of a pounding they could take from those puny lasers? even if they could get the sheilds of a fed ship down, it would take hours of blasting away to get a hull breach.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

That&#39;s the whole trick with SW shields. They practically immune to normal laser cannons and stuff...but there you have those nasty Ion cannons, their sole purpose is to rip through enemy shields like a knife through butter...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">6. Star Destroyers were pathetic. If you take out their 2 towers, its deflectors go down, and even those puny y-wing bombers little missles could take it out. I remember from the game X-Wing taking out a star destroyer with a group of 3 X-Wings.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Once again...hence the Ion cannons...
I know, I know...the X-Wing doesnt have any Ion cannons, BUT I can assure you, try that trick on the ISD again in XwA (which can handle more units onscreen) and you&#39;re in for a nasty surprise.
The limited number of ships required to take out an ISD in the older games was 100% a gameplay issue.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">7. Speed: From what i remember in star wars, Han solos ship was supposed to be really fast, yet it only went the speed of light (correct me if im wrong) whereas fed ships can go up to warp 9. That and in battle fed ships move fast, and change course often, Whereas empire ships are usually standing still, or moving in a straight line.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

&#39;Warp 9&#39; doesnt say shit to me about what speed we&#39;re looking at...now &#39;several times the speed of light&#39; is a bit better to visualise.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">8. The death star was meant to be used against PLANETS not fast moving starships. It couldnt track a ship with that huge laser, and i doubt anyone would be stupid enough to fly in front of it. Besides that it only had point defenses, like an aircraft carrier.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Indeed, they wont be taking shots at a ship the size of a Fed ship like the Enterprise with it. Why not? Cuz it&#39;s waaaay too small&#33; What&#39;s the size of that kinda class ship anyway?...400, 500 meters? Roughly 1/4th the size of an ISD, something that wouldnt rise above Corvette, or maybe Frigate class in the SW universe.

Ok....that was one showing of utter boring sadness http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Think I&#39;m sick? Check this (http://www.theforce.net/swtc/) out for a load of SW obsession http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Pete]

that should silence the trekkies sith&#33;


well said, i bow for you knowledge http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Rogue2020]

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Indeed, they wont be taking shots at a ship the size of a Fed ship like the Enterprise with it. Why not? Cuz it&#39;s waaaay too small&#33; What&#39;s the size of that kinda class ship anyway?...400, 500 meters? Roughly 1/4th the size of an ISD, something that wouldnt rise above Corvette, or maybe Frigate class in the SW universe[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

The enterprise E is around 1100 meters long.....they say how big it is in first contact i&#39;m just not sure exactly what he said....

[Rogue2020]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (second_draw @<hidden> Jan. 28 2002,19:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">how would you "add it up" or "find out" what warp speed is in star trek... i doubt the script writers would be consistent with warp speed.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Because on the new show enterprise he said they were moving at so and so kilometers per second....and they were at like warp 4.1....and a guy added it up.....

[Sith]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The enterprise E is around 1100 meters long.....they say how big it is in first contact i&#39;m just not sure exactly what he said....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Ok...then that&#39;d make it something like cruiser class. Still no match for a battleship class vessle like an ISD (and dont be fooled by the &#39;Destroyer&#39; part in that name...it really is battleship class). Oh and come to think of it....we didnt even discuss the matter Super StarDestroyer in this context...17 Km of Imperial sweetness http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

In X-Wing (old starwars game) laser ranges were less than 2km. In Starfleet Command (star trek game) weapon ranges are more than 100000km. So federation would destroy empire&#39;s fighters from 50000km range and empire couldn&#39;t even fire their weapons. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[christophercles]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rogue2020 @<hidden> Jan. 29 2002,20:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">how would you "add it up" or "find out" what warp speed is in star trek... i doubt the script writers would be consistent with warp speed.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Because on the new show enterprise he said they were moving at so and so kilometers per second....and they were at like warp 4.1....and a guy added it up.....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Im reading this from an official star trek text, so its acurate- warp 9.1 is close too 10,000 times the speed of light, but 10,000 times is exactly warp 10, which is unnatainable, since it requires infinite energy.
The galaxy class, the generation before the soveriegn class (which the enterprise E is) is 642 metres long, and the soveriegn is supposed to be much smaller than that.

And as someone said before, it doesnt matter that any star wars capital class ship has an ion cannon, because the outer limit of phaser range is supposed to be 20,000 km, and im pretty sure the ships wont have any point defence system to protect itself from anti-matter torpedoes.

I was going to bring up the fact that start trek also has claoking technology, but when i think about it, so does darth mauls ship, even though you didnt see him use it.

[Vir]

&#39;Well....for starters the fact that your average ISD has several regiments of troops on board. The Imperial ships all have ship sections with big blastdoors, so the Feds will have one helluva hard time taking over an entire ship&#39;

Who said anything about taking over an empire ship? empire ships are too low tech to want to take over, even if they didnt have so many troops on them

&#39;The SW universe doesnt use just &#39;lasers&#39;...they&#39;re TurboLasers. A standard laser consists of a focused beam, but the SW turbolasers seem to be more like slower moving &#39;packets&#39; of energy, most likely way more powerfull. And besides those, most ships carry Ion cannons aswell...great stuff to take out shields with. I dont recall the Feds ever using anti-shield Ion cannons or something (they just keep pounding on enemy ships with their weapons till the shields give up)&#39;

The shields of SW and ST are different though, and while fighters with ion cannons could probably take out a ships shields, i have to remind you of phasers range, and seeing as they move at the speed of light, 100% accuracy. the fighters would be destroyed just as left the hanger. that is, if the hanger didnt first catch a photon.

&#39;Tell that to Admiral Ozzel...Vader strangled him from another ship
The fact that he didnt &#39;just&#39; kill Luke and Han is simple (if you ever really watched to movies). He wanted to have Luke turn to the Dark side, and used both him and Han constantly to lead the Empire to the location of the Rebel Alliance. A dead man aint gonna tell/show you too much&#39;

Thats well and good, although i dont remember him strangling anyone on another ship, but it still makes no sense at all that he didnt just strangle the captains of all the rebel ships they encountered. there has to be a reason why.

&#39;As seen in many SW games/books etc, the biggest mistake the Empire made was to underestimate the power of Rebel fighters. One single fighter might not be too much of a threat...but having several squadrons raping your shields will get your attention soon enough. A standard ISD has like 72 fighters/bombers on board...not something to underestimate I&#39;d say.&#39;

72 fighters as compared to the enterprise D&#39;s 8(?) phasor banks with a recharge rate of about 5 seconds. thats about 45 seconds the fighters have to live if i did my math right. that doesnt give them time to get in range, let alone do any damage.

&#39;That&#39;s the whole trick with SW shields. They practically immune to normal laser cannons and stuff...but there you have those nasty Ion cannons, their sole purpose is to rip through enemy shields like a knife through butter...&#39;

I dont remember capital ships having ion cannons, and i just discounted fighters. I also doubt that SW shields would hold up against phasors and photons, even if you couldnt just take out the 2 towers with 2 photons.

&#39;&#39;Warp 9&#39; doesnt say shit to me about what speed we&#39;re looking at...now &#39;several times the speed of light&#39; is a bit better to visualise.&#39;

&#39;several times faster&#39; is a dramatic understatment.

&#39;Indeed, they wont be taking shots at a ship the size of a Fed ship like the Enterprise with it. Why not? Cuz it&#39;s waaaay too small&#33; What&#39;s the size of that kinda class ship anyway?...400, 500 meters? Roughly 1/4th the size of an ISD, something that wouldnt rise above Corvette, or maybe Frigate class in the SW universe.&#39;

Im not sure at all about the size, but its completely irrelevant. &#39;size doesnt matter&#39; is a saying that actually works here. Heres a situation: Bismark, biggest baddest battleship ever made im pretty sure, vs a small escort frigate of this era
Who would win? The frigate, becuase of better weapons/longer range.

&#39;that should silence the trekkies sith&#33;
well said, i bow for you knowledge&#39;

Dont discount me so soon.

Btw whats XwA? it sounds interesting

[Damage Inc]

Who&#39;s been banned?

[Placebo]

Someone

[Akira]

Alrighty...I&#39;m a Trekkie and I&#39;m going to have to jump in now.

I haven&#39;t read pages 1-4 so frgive me if I rehash. I&#39;ll just make some quick points....

Some one mentioned the ISD have several regiments of tropps on board, making it difficult to impossible for a Federation ship to take over an ISD. Well that is not entirely true.

A-The Federation has specific commando ships and troop carriers that hold a large amount of Federation Marines for that sole purpose.

B-The Federation has a little thing called the transporter giving it a tactical advantage. Not just for transporting large amounts of troops at one time, but for what is known as "hit and run&#39; raids. Transport troops to a specific area of a ship to take out a vital function of the ship. ie "Thats odd. Our fighter bays won&#39;t open. Thats odd. Now our highly toted forward Ion cannon won&#39;t fire."

C-As far as I remember, the Star Wars universe has nothing similiar to the transporter. So all those regiments of troops would have to head over to a Federation ship via shuttle or attempted docking. The shuttles would get taken out quite quickly by point defenses. And you would have to rip a Federation ship apart to try to dock with it, in which case there is no point in docking anyway.

About the Ion Cannon also to pierce ships shields. The Federation has a similiar weapon as well called the Phaser Lance (see "All Good Things...") I guarentee an ISD will feel it.

And yes...the ISD are big and huge. That just makes them harder to manuever. I have a picture of say...3-4 Galaxy class starships, flying around the ISD, popping and whacking...making the Galaxy&#39;s look like fighters, while the ISD lumbers along.

Just for comparison also:
Galaxy: 641m
Sovereign: 680m
Nebula: 452m
and of course
The Mighty Defiant: 170m


Just a few Defiants I imagine could strafe an ISD into scrap metal. Not to mention the cloaking device...

"They&#39;ve disappeared."
"I will go inform Lord Vader."

Enough for now. Lunch time...be back.

Back http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

WHO THE HELL WOULD BUILD A 17KM SHIP??? Whats the point??

Also you mentioned the Super-Star Destroyer. If I remember correctly, one was taken out in ROTJ by the piddly rebel ships and fighters. And you expect it to stand up to a Federation ship?

[Akira]

Oh yeah.

And speaking of weaponry...

The point defenses of Imperial ships literally suck...thus the fighters strafing ISDs and the Death Star. So I highly doubt that an ISD...or even a couple ISDs would be able to stand up to say, a squadron of Drone-Armed Cruisers (ie guided missles) sending wave, after wave, after wave of missles slamming into the ISD (I won&#39;t even get into the MIRV missles.), while safely sitting outside of the ISDs weapons range.

Plus the ever present nuke mine. Plus the Plasma armed DNF which would put a serious hurt on any ships shields.

Theres more to Star Trek ships than the Enterprise.

But I do say...if the Borg came in strength...they&#39;d all get wiped out...or seriously mangled.

[Damage Inc]

Those Imperial "super weapons" they have in every Star Wars book/game would kill them all.

97 posts until 2000

[Vir]

I forgot to mention a few more uses of transporters, as seen in starfleet command.

1. Beam a mine into space in the path of an approaching ship, close enough so that it cant avoid it.

2. Beam an anti-matter bomb onto an enemy ship. blast doors wont help against that. i can see it now...
&#39;Whats this thing?&#39; &#39;i dunno it just appeared&#39; ::boom:: by-by expensive, massively crewed ship, before it could even get a shot off

[Damage Inc]

Nah the Imperial super ships like that one that can destroy a galaxy (forgot its name) and those World Destroyer things would kill everything.

95 posts until 2000

[Vir]

&#39;Nah the Imperial super ships like that one that can destroy a galaxy (forgot its name) and those World Destroyer things would kill everything.&#39;

NO empire ship could destroy a galaxy... no offense but you obviously dont know wtf your talking about http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
If your reffering to the death star it destroyed planets, not galaxys, and besides it would be easily destroyed by a smaller ship because it wouldnt be able to bring its main weapon to bear. this is in one of my earlier posts.
A &#39;world destroyer&#39; is something from rogue squadron, it was not used in space and therefore completely irrelavent.

[Akira]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nah the Imperial super ships like that one that can destroy a galaxy (forgot its name) and those World Destroyer things would kill everything.

95 posts until 2000[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Destroy a Galaxy? As in an entire Galaxy? Yeah that seems likely...and the rebels won HOW? And people say Star Trek has holes in it. Star Wars takes place in a "galaxy far far away"...not galaxies but singular, thus the Empire is limited to one galaxy. Plus ISDs go on average light speed....they would NEVER be able to travel to another galaxy....SO one must conclude that if they destroyed a galaxy they would destroy themselves. Thus I find the exsistence of this weapon highly suspect. MAYBE a solar system...but most definitely NOT a whole galaxy.

World Destroyer? Are you talking of the Death Star cause that thing wouldn&#39;t stand a chance against Federation ship/fighters/weapons. Sure you could say it could destroy Earth (or insert other Fed world) but you have to GET it there first&#33;

Another thing I noticed. Fighters and small ships in Star Wars can "pass through" the shields of larger ships (ie ISDs and the Death Star), something they CAN&#39;T do in Star Trek...in fact they would "bounce" off the shields. So an ISD would have to get the shields of a ship down(assuming it somehow gets in range) before all its fighters can even be an effective weapon. Whereas Federation fighters will be strafing and destroying with impunity, due to the ISDs horrendously poorly designed point defense.

Not only fighters but converted shuttles as well....Wild Weasle (not really needed since the ISD have no "seeking" weapons), "suicide" shuttles (even more effective as it avoids point defense AND passes right through the shields), "scatterpack" shuttles (oh to see the look on ISD commander when his hideous point defense misses the shuttle, and then he watches it break open and a group of seeking missles head for him), and the standard assualt shuttle (not really needed as ISD shields are unlikely to stop transporters).

Not to mention the long ranges of torpedos, and quantum torpedos, and multi-phasic torpedos. "Say hello to my little friend..."


PS WHY ARE THE FORUMS SO GOD DAMN SLOW&#33;&#33;&#33;

[christophercles]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Vir @<hidden> Jan. 30 2002,02:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I forgot to mention a few more uses of transporters, as seen in starfleet command.

1. Beam a mine into space in the path of an approaching ship, close enough so that it cant avoid it.

2. Beam an anti-matter bomb onto an enemy ship. blast doors wont help against that. i can see it now...
&#39;Whats this thing?&#39; &#39;i dunno it just appeared&#39; ::boom:: by-by expensive, massively crewed ship, before it could even get a shot off[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You cant transport anti-matter, its too unstable, otherwise they could just beam a warp core into a ship, or they wouldnt even bother with fireing torpedoes, they would just transport them into ships. The voyager people didnt quite understand this and broke the rules several times.

[Rogue2020]

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WHO THE HELL WOULD BUILD A 17KM SHIP??? Whats the point??[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

The only real point would be if you planned on going on a deep space mission or journey knowing you would never see earth again...



Shit has anyone played star trek armada 2?...well if you have you know there is alittle thing called a tactical fusion cube...which is 8 "tactical" cubes together.....that thing would make em have one bad day.. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


The borg would still assimilate both....because fuck they have hundreds of specie&#39;s knowledge....I mean think about it the experience of everything of a race has ever done mixed with hundreds would make you come up with some bad ass shit....the borg should be way more radical then they are on the show......

[christophercles]

Its 8 of any type of cube actually, and the earth reason isnt a good, one, because in star wars, there isnt any earth.

[Frizbee]

The Borg have done Warp 10 and faster while travelling through their artifically created wormholes.

As for transporting Anti-Matter.. it is possible, it just is unstable. There is an episode of Star-trek where terrorists steal anti-matter from the Enterprises core when it is empty of crew and being cleaned of ion radiation. They transport onto their ship.. which later blows up because Picard removed the safety device from the container.

Star Trek would kick ass over Star Wars ships and technology.. but then really.. Star Trek is set in the future of Earth.. Star wars in a galaxy far away, and a long time ago.. hence they can&#39;t really be compared.

"We are the Borg, we have analysed your technology to be that of A galaxy far away, from a long time ago. We do not assimilate beings such as you, you would drag us away from perfection"

[Rogue2020]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (christophercles @<hidden> Jan. 29 2002,17:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I forgot to mention a few more uses of transporters, as seen in starfleet command.

1. Beam a mine into space in the path of an approaching ship, close enough so that it cant avoid it.

2. Beam an anti-matter bomb onto an enemy ship. blast doors wont help against that. i can see it now...
&#39;Whats this thing?&#39; &#39;i dunno it just appeared&#39; ::boom:: by-by expensive, massively crewed ship, before it could even get a shot off[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You cant transport anti-matter, its too unstable, otherwise they could just beam a warp core into a ship, or they wouldnt even bother with fireing torpedoes, they would just transport them into ships. The voyager people didnt quite understand this and broke the rules several times.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
The voyager people didnt quite understand this and broke the rules several times.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

What do you mean?..I remember in one episode only they transported a torpedo into a borg ship and blew the whole thing up......

But yeah your right it&#39;s unstable...that&#39;s why in real life we are only now building a containment for antimatter.....so yeah it&#39;s breaking the rules because as I&#39;m sure you guys know photon torpedo&#39;s have matter and antimatter in them and right before it hits it&#39;s target it mixes them which when matter and anti matter collide it cause&#39;s a massive burst of energy.....(real science not fake)

[Rogue2020]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (christophercles @<hidden> Jan. 29 2002,17:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Its 8 of any type of cube actually, and the earth reason isnt a good, one, because in star wars, there isnt any earth.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Oh I didn&#39;t know it works with both types...I thought you had to have all of one type...


Yeah I know there is no earth in star wars.....it was a flaw way of saying it...should have said you will never see your home world again.....

[Rogue2020]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frizbee @<hidden> Jan. 29 2002,17:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Borg have done Warp 10 and faster while travelling through their artifically created wormholes.

As for transporting Anti-Matter.. it is possible, it just is unstable. There is an episode of Star-trek where terrorists steal anti-matter from the Enterprises core when it is empty of crew and being cleaned of ion radiation. They transport onto their ship.. which later blows up because Picard removed the safety device from the container.

Star Trek would kick ass over Star Wars ships and technology.. but then really.. Star Trek is set in the future of Earth.. Star wars in a galaxy far away, and a long time ago.. hence they can&#39;t really be compared.

"We are the Borg, we have analysed your technology to be that of A galaxy far away, from a long time ago. We do not assimilate beings such as you, you would drag us away from perfection"[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
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The Borg have done Warp 10 and faster while traveling through their artificially created wormholes
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On an episode of Voyager Tom went warp 10 and it fucked him up....warp 10 is the warp barrier...

What the borg do is very different...they are not worm holes but kinda like it.....

[residuum]

When you think about it this whole discussion is pretty dumb. It&#39;s like an argument on who could defeat who, the Ancient Egyptians, or Modern USA. Because as everyone knows Star Wars was set A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... and the Star Trek Enterprise is set a few hundred years from now

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[christophercles]

shuudup&#33; http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif let us argue&#33;&#33;

The borg dont actually go at warp 10, they go at the speed warp 10 would be, but without using a warp drive. They use a transwarp system, which the federation trialed, but found too costly to keep running.

What i meant by the anti-matter rule, is in all of star trek, youve never been able to transport antimatter, because it was too unstable, but the storywriters thought it would be good to change the rules of the show, as to suit the storylines.

[Sith]

C&#39;mon...dont try to stop the most pathetic discussion ever&#33; http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Another thing I noticed. Fighters and small ships in Star Wars can "pass through" the shields of larger ships (ie ISDs and the Death Star), something they CAN&#39;T do in Star Trek...in fact they would "bounce" off the shields. So an ISD would have to get the shields of a ship down(assuming it somehow gets in range) before all its fighters can even be an effective weapon. Whereas Federation fighters will be strafing and destroying with impunity, due to the ISDs horrendously poorly designed point defense.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Ok, now THAT is bullshit. The SW shields are just as impregnable as the ST shields. Are you referring to the A-Wing that crashed into the SSD&#39;s bridge? That was possible because the SSD&#39;s bridge shields had been taken out only moments before that happened.

Why did that huge Imp fleet suddenly get spanked by a much much smaller Rebel force? Easy:
The Emperor controlled the minds most of his forces. He used The Force to steer all his troops in combat, resulting in a much more coordinated battlefield. Now near the end of RotJ, the Emperor isnt minding his troops anymore, but is busy trying to sway Luke to the Dark Side. When the troops suddenly lost &#39;contact&#39; with the Emperor, they became disorientated, lost, they didnt know what to do (this happens in some of the battles in some SW books aswell). When later on the Emperor got killed by Vader, the suddenly was a huge void in the Imperial order, which the Rebels wisely exploided.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nah the Imperial super ships like that one that can destroy a galaxy (forgot its name) and those World Destroyer things would kill everything.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Damage is referring to the Star Crusher. A ship that uses a special type of torpedo to destabilise (sp?) a star&#39;s core, resulting in the destruction of that star and it&#39;s surrounding system (not galaxy).

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In X-Wing (old starwars game) laser ranges were less than 2km. In Starfleet Command (star trek game) weapon ranges are more than 100000km. So federation would destroy empire&#39;s fighters from 50000km range and empire couldn&#39;t even fire their weapons.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Comparing the weapons characteristics of the SW games to the ST movies/series is just plain dumb.
What&#39;s the ingame range of the weapons in a ST game? (so not the stats)
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I dont remember capital ships having ion cannons, and i just discounted fighters.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Trust me...caps have Ion cannons alright.

You mention the accuracy of the phasers on the Ent. D... Accuracy on what kinda targets? Moving at what speed? Dont forget that SW fighters are much smaller and more manouvreable than any ship I know from the ST universe. Besides, these fighters have shields of their own, they can take quite a punch, so dont expect em to be down in 1 punch.


As for the &#39;beaming in&#39; of personnel and stuff....well, that part is kinda what made me dislike the whole ST thing. Most SW weapons/items have clearly defined limits and disadvantages. Same goes for alot of ST stuff, BUT...then there&#39;s the art of teleporting. Transferring matter from one place to another, not knowing what the &#39;destination&#39; might look like. Still, they always seem to know exactly where the bridge or engineroom on a ship from a whole new alien ras might be located, whether the climate control is comparable to their own.

And like some1 else said before, they often do stuff with those teleporters that make you think "Hmmm...now if they did that every time they encountered a dangerous enemy, the series would be over in no-time."
If stuff like "teleporting a bomb to the enemy ship", "zap their engine to outerspace", or "beam a whole frickin&#39; minefield around their arses" are THAT effective, why do they only use it like one time in a 1000 years? Do these Fed guys have no neural brain capacity at all?

And 2 more things:
- XwA = X-Wing Alliance....one of the last good LucasArts games (havent tried RS2 yet tho..)
- SSD class ships are only made to impress the enemy and make em feel reeealy tiny, taking away their last bit of will to fight back http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif It&#39;s a command ship, usually not found on the front line (except for &#39;special occasions&#39; like in RotJ).

"You have failed me for the last time, admiral Ozzel&#33;"

[Damage Inc]

And World Destroyer is the ship that the Empire had in that one crapass comic (well actually there were many of them).

[Akira]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sith @<hidden> Jan. 30 2002,13:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">C&#39;mon...dont try to stop the most pathetic discussion ever&#33; http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Another thing I noticed. Fighters and small ships in Star Wars can "pass through" the shields of larger ships (ie ISDs and the Death Star), something they CAN&#39;T do in Star Trek...in fact they would "bounce" off the shields. So an ISD would have to get the shields of a ship down(assuming it somehow gets in range) before all its fighters can even be an effective weapon. Whereas Federation fighters will be strafing and destroying with impunity, due to the ISDs horrendously poorly designed point defense.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Ok, now THAT is bullshit. The SW shields are just as impregnable as the ST shields. Are you referring to the A-Wing that crashed into the SSD&#39;s bridge? That was possible because the SSD&#39;s bridge shields had been taken out only moments before that happened.

Why did that huge Imp fleet suddenly get spanked by a much much smaller Rebel force? Easy:
The Emperor controlled the minds most of his forces. He used The Force to steer all his troops in combat, resulting in a much more coordinated battlefield. Now near the end of RotJ, the Emperor isnt minding his troops anymore, but is busy trying to sway Luke to the Dark Side. When the troops suddenly lost &#39;contact&#39; with the Emperor, they became disorientated, lost, they didnt know what to do (this happens in some of the battles in some SW books aswell). When later on the Emperor got killed by Vader, the suddenly was a huge void in the Imperial order, which the Rebels wisely exploided.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nah the Imperial super ships like that one that can destroy a galaxy (forgot its name) and those World Destroyer things would kill everything.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Damage is referring to the Star Crusher. A ship that uses a special type of torpedo to destabilise (sp?) a star&#39;s core, resulting in the destruction of that star and it&#39;s surrounding system (not galaxy).

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In X-Wing (old starwars game) laser ranges were less than 2km. In Starfleet Command (star trek game) weapon ranges are more than 100000km. So federation would destroy empire&#39;s fighters from 50000km range and empire couldn&#39;t even fire their weapons.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Comparing the weapons characteristics of the SW games to the ST movies/series is just plain dumb.
What&#39;s the ingame range of the weapons in a ST game? (so not the stats)
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I dont remember capital ships having ion cannons, and i just discounted fighters.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Trust me...caps have Ion cannons alright.

You mention the accuracy of the phasers on the Ent. D... Accuracy on what kinda targets? Moving at what speed? Dont forget that SW fighters are much smaller and more manouvreable than any ship I know from the ST universe. Besides, these fighters have shields of their own, they can take quite a punch, so dont expect em to be down in 1 punch.


As for the &#39;beaming in&#39; of personnel and stuff....well, that part is kinda what made me dislike the whole ST thing. Most SW weapons/items have clearly defined limits and disadvantages. Same goes for alot of ST stuff, BUT...then there&#39;s the art of teleporting. Transferring matter from one place to another, not knowing what the &#39;destination&#39; might look like. Still, they always seem to know exactly where the bridge or engineroom on a ship from a whole new alien ras might be located, whether the climate control is comparable to their own.

And like some1 else said before, they often do stuff with those teleporters that make you think "Hmmm...now if they did that every time they encountered a dangerous enemy, the series would be over in no-time."
If stuff like "teleporting a bomb to the enemy ship", "zap their engine to outerspace", or "beam a whole frickin&#39; minefield around their arses" are THAT effective, why do they only use it like one time in a 1000 years? Do these Fed guys have no neural brain capacity at all?

And 2 more things:
- XwA = X-Wing Alliance....one of the last good LucasArts games (havent tried RS2 yet tho..)
- SSD class ships are only made to impress the enemy and make em feel reeealy tiny, taking away their last bit of will to fight back http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif It&#39;s a command ship, usually not found on the front line (except for &#39;special occasions&#39; like in RotJ).

"You have failed me for the last time, admiral Ozzel&#33;"[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
"Make way for the dorks&#33;"

When refering to fighters passing through shields I was refering A-to the attack on both Death Stars (yes I know one was under-construction but the Emperor said it was "fully operational")...fat boy says something about them passing through their shielding when and all they get is a little turbulence...and B- In every movie fighters can be seen strafing the hulls of ISDs with visible damage on the primary hulls. THAT is getting through the shields. And if teh shields were taken out on everyone of those ISDs then their shields aren&#39;t that impressive in the first place. I saw somewhere that the two big round things on top of the main superstructure are the shield generators, or projectors or whatever. In ROTJ you see ONE fighter (we will ASSUME for the sake of argument more fighters had strafed it)taking one out with the other clearly visible on the other side un-damaged (shortly before the mentioned A-Wing went kamikaze on them forcing the ship out of the line). How can fighters take that out? Capital ships had yet to engage in the main battle, it was just fighters, so how did the shields get down for a fighter to take that out? And why would he NEED to if the shields were already out. Again...either Rebel fighter are far more powerful than led to believe (the can take out an ISD after all), or an ISDs shields are pathetically under powered. Again...no match for Star Trek...hehe

The Emperor was controlling the troops? Ok in ROTJ I can believe that, but he can&#39;t be controlling ALL of them ALL the time. Distracted by turning Luke? He can control an entire fleet, but with a little distraction like Luke everything goes to hell? Maybe the Emperor needs some Ginko Boloba.

"Star Crusher"? Weren&#39;t you saying something about weapons that had clearly defined limits and disadvantages? The "Star Crusher" is not a good example...if I remember it took a hit from a Death Star or something and survived. Didn&#39;t it also go into a black hole and survive? Lemme know what the disadvantages of that ship are.

Transporters have a number of disadvantages and limitations as well as advantages. You do have to be fairly close to the destination. They can&#39;t beam through shields and you have to lower your shields to beam something out leaving you open for attack. You can&#39;t beam a warpcore out or to another ships do to the stasis fields it generates, not to mention the size (why the have the Emergency Warp Core dump system). Knowing the location and atmosphere of where they are going is easy. They are called Sensors. They can tell where the bridge or engineroom is by power output and command and control. You see something on the sensors that is putting out warpcore high power output...chances are THATS engineering. Sensors also can tell life forms, atmospheric conditions and elements, and even dimensions of a room (one time Kirk was told to lean down cause the ceiling was too low). The same thing goes for teleporting bombs...you have to be in range of where you want to drop it, and you have to drop a shield to beam it out. There is little call for these tactics because in the TV shows we haven&#39;t seen that many large engagements of capital ships. It seems Star Wars has the problem with uber-weapons...the Death Star being just one example...a 17km long ship being another.

As for the fighters. Yes the Ent-D (hereafter just called Galaxy-class do to the D being a heap of rubble now), can hit fighters and fighter-sized vessels with their phasers (as witnessed in a few shows), whereas in movies the ISDs lack of point defense is CLEARLY illustrated. Their main point defense though is lower powered phasers and a system not unlike todays Phalanx system (throw a lot of stuff really fast and you HAVE to hit something). Fighters having shields is good, since the ST fighters do as well as well as what they call PFs (Psuedo-Fighters). Fed fighters are just as powerful as SW fighters maybe more so (they carry basically the same TYPE of weaponary as capital ships...but not in the same numbers obviously).

I think that is all I wanted to say for now...can&#39;t remember http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif Coffee ain&#39;t kicked in yet...

[Damage Inc]

The Star Crusher was never hit by the Death Star. It didn&#39;t even exist at the time of either of the Death Stars.

[Akira]

Designation: Imperial SuperWeapon Prototype:Sun Crusher
Manufacturer: Maw Installation
Length: 4 meters
Height: 5-7 meters
Crew: 2 (pilot & targeting officer)
Gunners: 4
Passengers: none
Consumables: unknown
Cargo Capacity: none
Hyperdrive: Sinar Systems x1
Maximum Speed: unknown
Atmospheric Speed: not applicable
Hull: Layered Molecular Armour "Quantum-Crystalline"
Shields:virtually impervious to laser fire
Onboard Craft:
none
Weapons:
4 laser turrets
11 resonance torpedoes
The Sun Crusher was more of an experimental weapon than anything else. Only one was ever produced, and it
was as deadly as a Death Star, despite only being the size of a starfighter. It flies in a upright position, with the
cockpit at the top, and a torpedo-firing dish at the bottom. Its resonance torpedos can cause stars to go
supernova, causing all surrounding worlds to be destroyed. The tiny superweapon cost as much to build as the
Death Star superlaser, and took over 10 years of research to create. Han Solo had been imprisoned at the Maw
facility, and had met the Sun Crushers creator and convinced her of the weapons evil. She, Solo, Chewbacca and
Kyp Durron stole the Sun Crusher. They delivered it to Coruscant (under New Republic control). The New
Republic assembly voted to have the Sun Crusher cast down into the gas giant Yavin. However, Kyp kidnapped
the ship and went on a rampage, destroying several Imperial worlds. He later returned to the Maw Installation
with the Sun Crusher, and lured the prototype Death Star into a black hole. The Sun Crusher and the Death
Star were destroyed, but Kyp Durron was later picked up by the Millennium Falcon having left the Sun Crusher
before it entered the black hole.

The information I got on teh Sun Crusher. So it was around with a Death Star. Also it said it was "nicked" by a Super Laser and was unscratched.

Sounds like a ridiculous uber-weapon to me...

[Damage Inc]

OK now I remember that there was an experimental Death Star in the book and it was in some installation in the middle of black holes and they didn&#39;t know the Empire didn&#39;t exist anymore (the book&#39;s events took place after RoTJ). The Sun Crusher truly was a stupid weapon but the book sucked anyway because the main idea was that the Empire had a new super weapon (like always) but the New Republic (the Rebels) managed to destroy it.

[Akira]

Thats my main problem with Star Wars....the Empire always designs or builds some great Super Weapon and the Rebels roll up and destroy it somewhat easily.

One thing they have in common though...they each have people destroying what we love about them (Lucas and Berman/Braga to be exact).

[Damage Inc]

And the first Death Star didn&#39;t have shields, the second one had but the generator was destroyed.

[Sith]

Indeed...the Deathstars never had any shields of their own. The shield in RotJ was a projected force field from the moon&#39;s surface.

I agree the suncrusher is a lousy piece of equipment...tho they do try to explain it&#39;s properties a bit in the book (engineered atom placement to form an unbreakable surface, and stuff like external weapons are easily destroyed), it&#39;s way too far-fetched IMO. Same goes for the story of those books.
The Heir To The Empire trilogy (Timothy Zahn) are IMO the only books that put down a credible story... character, technology and combat -wise. I think they even beat the movies at times.


Anyway....back to the dork discussion http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Emperor was controlling the troops? Ok in ROTJ I can believe that, but he can&#39;t be controlling ALL of them ALL the time. Distracted by turning Luke? He can control an entire fleet, but with a little distraction like Luke everything goes to hell? Maybe the Emperor needs some Ginko Boloba.
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He really did mind-control most, if not all, of his troops (is explained later in the books). If there&#39;s one thing the Emperor wants most, it&#39;s control.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">whereas in movies the ISDs lack of point defense is CLEARLY illustrated.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
But that&#39;s also one of the main points where ST and SW differ from eachother. In ST, they usually engage in combat situations with just 1 type of craft, able to perform a wide variety of roles. In the SW universe, there&#39;s an extensive armade of ship classes, each with specific tasks. It&#39;s a shame it isnt featured in the movies (because the ship designs were in place at the time), because it certainly is one of the best parts of the whole SW universe. You have the ISDs...heavy hitters which serve as the main assault platforms. They can carry up to 6 fighter/bomber squadrons and several regiments of ground troops (inclusing AT-AT and AT-ST&#39;s). The ISD was never meant as an anti-fighter platform, hence it&#39;s (relatively) vulnerable to fighters.
There are several ways the Empire would counter fighters....like the use of Tie Interceptors, Nebulon B or Lancer Frigates.

So the &#39;beaming in&#39; of personnel and/or weapons would require the Imps to take down their shields first? I&#39;m sure they&#39;ll do it as long as Picard asks nicely http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Anyway...you gotta agree, the SW ships simply look much cooler. There, I win&#33; http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Rogue2020]

It really is a pointless discussion because of course the borg would win against all....and the federation would beat star wars.....and I don&#39;t talk about what they have and haven&#39;t done in the show I&#39;m talking about what this technology would mean in real life......


Like in armada 2...species 8472 is actually beatable...no modified borg nanaprobes just plain weapons and they die....if you have seen the show you know that if you see even one of their ships you better run your ass off....

[R. Gerschwarzenge]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @<hidden> Jan. 30 2002,17:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Emperor was controlling the troops? Ok in ROTJ I can believe that, but he can&#39;t be controlling ALL of them ALL the time. Distracted by turning Luke? He can control an entire fleet, but with a little distraction like Luke everything goes to hell? Maybe the Emperor needs some Ginko Boloba.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Have you ever tried to play Homeworld and have a meaningful intelligent conversation at the same time. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[christophercles]

Lets face it, all this star crusher shit is just a rip off of the planet crusher from star trek, and it took a warp core explosion to its own propulsion system too kill that. THEN later on, they found that that planet crusher was only a prototype, and then came along a more powerfull version, which apart from also having the capabilty to eat j- class planets bigger than jupiter, had an anti-proton beam that could destroy a borg cube in 1 shot. Thay had to talk the pilot down from using that one on the federation.

[Gorgi Knootewoot]

Oh please, close this damn topic. Everybody knows that the evil Empire rules and is unbeatable. Even the droid army of the Trade Federation could destroy the pathetic borg&#39;s or the pity fools of the StarTrek Federation.

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A Battle Droid&#39;s Life
I am a battle droid commander. Intelligent and loyal, I follow my orders from the Trade Federation. Like all droids of the Federation, I&#39;m controled by the Droid Control Ship, it&#39;s a huge ship that&#39;s heavily shielded.
Battle Droids with special duties are indentified by colored markings, such as me. Yellow: commanders, Maroon: security, Blue: pilots, standard troops have no special markings. As you noticed, I&#39;m incapable of independent thinking, but luckily, color-marked droids are fully independent &#39;true&#39; droids, then again without the control ship we would stop in our tracts. Officer droids are not fully independent because we still take orders from the control ship and send them to our troops. When awaiting for an answer from the central processor, and when it is too slow in coming, the droid simply revarts to the first directive it can derive of its own. I own an AAT(Armored Attack Tank) and a flying machine called a STAP(Single Trooper Aerial Platform)
The only weapons I carry is a blaster rifle and a yellow battle droid lightsaber, designed just for battle droids and a tiger striped boomerang and a few sharp blades hiden secretly. Battle Droids are a tan kind colour, and many people call them cute, must be the long nose >:__). For a battle droid I have a bad-temper and get easily upset when things don&#39;t go my way or when people start to attack me just because I&#39;m a battle droid.

WHAT I LOOK LIKE
I&#39;m sure you seen battle droids. But me, I wear a brownish Droid Robe. I carry a blaster rilfe and a yellow battle droid lightsaber. I saw many Jedi use this particular weapon, lightsaber, and learned something. I used to consider lightsabers as my enemies, but now that I have learned something from the Jedis&#39; lessons, I know how to use one. I demanded the Federation to design one for me. Even through the lightsaber is created by a &#39;&#39;Force&#39;&#39; my lightsaber is slightly different, but still can cut things in half >http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


THINGS I LIKE
my kind, destroyer droids, Droid Starfighters, da Trade Federation, my masters, Master-Millie, Jedi-Jade-Star, blaster rifles, da Droid Control Ship, something else, saying roger roger, oil, cats, kittens,
George Lucas
Favourite Words: Roger Roger, That doesn&#39;t compute, Hands Up, you&#39;re under Arrest
     

THINGS I DON&#39;T LIKE
Jedi, Qui-Gon-Jinn, Obi-Wan-Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Jedi, Sith, Yoda, Jedi, people rasing their eyebrows, more Jedi, lightsabers, da Force, Jedi, people who dislike my kind, and of course, Jar Jar Binks

[Rogue2020]

What&#39;s really going on here is people that like one side and try to support what they like...no one can just do like I do and analyze both sides and make a realistic judgment of their abilities....

[MAsta KFC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rogue2020 @<hidden> Jan. 31 2002,12:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What&#39;s really going on here is people that like one side and try to support what they like...no one can just do like I do and analyze both sides and make a realistic judgment of their abilities....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I agree Rogue. One simply can&#39;t just throw the two together and look at them within the same context. Personally, I like the Star Wars universe better because if its rich and diverse cultures, species and technology. I feel that Star Trek is kind of lacking in this at times (do almost ALL Star Trek species look simply like actors with different makeup??). One simply has to look at the bar in the original Star Wars on tatooine (Mos Eisley Cantina) to see what I mean. ST has also seemed a bit to idealogical for my liking. I remember in ST: First Contact, a woman asks Picard how much the Enterprise would cost and gives something a reply something like &#39;In the future, money has no meaning, everyone works to the benefit of society etc&#39; Call me a pessimist, but the chances of humans every putting aside personal ambition, greed, jealousy and hatred for society as a whole seems pretty slim.

But from a pure technological standpoint alone, I have to agree that ST weaponry would outmatch SW quite easily IF THEY WERE IN THE SAME UNIVERSE. Although SW weaponry seems cooler at times, ST weaponry in plain statistics (imagined statistics I might add, and for both sides) would overpower them. Which ever way you look at it, the Federation would triumph in a space battle due to its superior technology. I can&#39;t say skill wise they Feds would beat the Empire, but I can&#39;t say the Empire would win either. I&#39;m pretty sure you&#39;ve all seen Stormtroopers make terrible n00b1e mistakes and the same for so called Fed Security teams. Stormtroopers are supposedly the Elite of the Imperial Army, yet they have trouble killing ewoks or chasing down a few fugitives in the Death Star.
"And these blast points, too accurate for Sand People. Only imperial stormtroopers are so precise" Umm, yeah right, their performance makes me think that sometimes the droids in TPM
fight better than them. And who remembers the bit in Star Wars where the stormtrooper almost knocks himself out walking into a bulkhead? Not too impressive. But then again, although I haven&#39;t seen many TNG, Voyager or DS9 episodes, the security team in First Contact wasn&#39;t very flash either. Granted, they would&#39;ve been apprehensive fighing the borg, but these people are meant to be trained dammit, and they way they acted, they were like normal actors trying to look militaristic and organized, and unfortunately, failed.

There I could go on for much longer, but I&#39;ll let others have a say before I continue (this post was rather mentally taxing).

MAsta_KFC
The Supreme Being of Poultry.

[Akira]

Yes yes of course Rogue...you are the intellectual giant that can step away and anaylze the arguement but got into a flame war the first time someone challenged you on your beliefs on the moon landing...yes yes of course....

Yes of course I like Star Trek, and yes of course I&#39;m trying to support my view...BECAUSE I THINK THEY WOULD WIN....no other reason.

The problem with Star Trek, as in Star Wars sometimes, is they fail to fully show the diversity of the Federations ships (or Empires ships). The Federation, like any Naval service (which lets face it is what they are dispite all their grandstanding about "science") has numerous ships of different classes fitted to different roles. Just some of the ships include frigates, destroyers, minelayers, troop transports, guided missle vessels (destroyers, light cruisers, and heavy cruisers), fast attack, battlecruisers, Fire Support vessels (used to sit on the perimeter of a fleet action and pound the enemy ships), Strike Cruisers, planetary assault vessels, Aegis destroyers, Carriers, etc etc etc. The best we can hope for seeing in the shows is what they can afford (though Enterprise has shown more new ships in its first few episodes than TNG did its entire run....thank you CGI&#33;). The Dominion War at the end of the DS9 run had the best fleet actions of any ST movie or show....yet were still lacking because it was limited to what models that were already made (Galaxy, Excelsior, Miranda aka Reliant). Plus the producers of the show show what is good and exciting, not sound tactics as dictated by other ST sources. Also they never show Federation Marines or their weapons though sources confirm they have all the equipment, assault vehicles, fire supoprt, artillary, tanks, etc etc.

Star Wars does show a wider variety of alien species, and worlds, but it is also a movie with a movie budget (ST movies stick with villians that the audience likes and rarely introduce new species....except the horrible Star Trek:Insurrection). I also like the darker feel of Star Wars (being the kind of guy I am), and don&#39;t watch Star Trek for the preachy speeches or shiny happy people attitude..I just find it a good sci-fi show. Enterprise though has taken a darker look and feel (though still a hopeful one) as it depicts the humans first going out. Probably one of my all time fav ST series. I also like the ship designs better than Star Wars (especially Romulan). Though granted the SW ships look a lot meaner...

I have always wondered why, if the Borg assimiliate so many species....they all look human....but then I just put it down to budget and that anti-christ Berman. There are non-humanoid species (Sheliak, Tholian, and a couple hundred "energy beings") but they RARELY get show time....

hehehe....I can picture a war between the Fed and Empire....Red Shirt against Stormtrooper....oh the comedy....or the supposed great battle droids.....if Natalie Portman (mmmm...Natalie Portman) and some bad acting 6 year old can take them out, I don&#39;t think the Feds will have a problem...

The whole money thing gets kinda boring too me as well. Espeically when they say that and then use something called "credits" to buy something...and the Ferengi and other worlds are still on a monetary based economic system...so how does the Fed trade with these empires? Bread and toilet paper?

Damn....I guess thats it for now...

BTW, would have replied yesterday but the damn forum was slow and messed up per usual...

[Akira]

Also meant to say that there is a web site for a game called Star Fleet Battles, that has a bunch of SSDs (Ship statistic sheets for use with the game) for Star Wars ships as translated to that game....would like someone to take a crack at playing a game of that with the Fed vs. Empire...hehe...would be cool....

[Sith]

StarFleet Battles...isnt that a Homeworld mod or something? Atleast I think I saw a HW mod (ST vs SW) with a name like that once. I tried downloading it back then, but the files seemed to be down or corrupt or something, so I couldnt really check it ingame http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

Akira: what SW games u got?

[Akira]

Star Fleet Battles is a turn-based board game (the old hex-counter type....like the first Harpoon game) made in the early 70s with tons of add-ons since then....its the original game that the computers Starfleet Command is based on (SFB games would generally take a few weekends to play for one battle)...people have made models for SFC of Star Wars ships....go here to look:

http://www.strategyplanet.com/sfc/omega/shipyards/sw/omegasw.shtml

I replaced one of the races in there with SW ships...and beefed them up to try and make it realistic...

Also go here for the SSDs I was talking about....scroll down almost all the way for the Star Wars ones....

http://www.smileylich.com/sfb/ssd/ssds.html

I don&#39;t have any SW games right now...but I have played Jedi Knight, Rebel Alliance, Tie Fighter (good game) and its derivatives, Force Commander (great game....would have been better if could play a full Empire campaign or Rebel Campaign instead of switching). I want to get the new SW game that just game out...Galactic Battlegrounds or something like that. Just cause I like Star Trek doesn&#39;t mean I don&#39;t like goin&#39; around in ISDs and smackin&#39; people around&#33; http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Damage Inc]

Force Commander sucks.

[Akira]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Damage Inc @<hidden> Jan. 31 2002,17:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Force Commander sucks.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I found it quite entertaining....pretty good graphics...C&C type game which is alright....like I said...just wish it didn&#39;t switch halfway through....also wish you could say "You have failed me for the last time" and strangle someone....but oh well...

If SW came out with a game like Starfleet Command I would be all over it....as long as you didn&#39;t swtich in the middle http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Damage Inc]

Force Commander is nearly as bad as Galactic Battlefields. The best SW game ever is probably either XwA or Jedi Knight and I have almost all SW games.

[Sith]

Force Commander was really bad IMO...esp. those new ground units they designed for the Rebel Alliance, just to even out the forces...argh. I&#39;ve had tonnes of StarWars games over the past years...but the ones I still play are XwA and Rebellion. The latter really is hugely under-rated game IMO. It might not look like much, but the gameplay is really sweet (and it has some of the best RTS AI ever).

[Rogue2020]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
Yes yes of course Rogue...you are the intellectual giant that can step away and anaylze the arguement but got into a flame war the first time someone challenged you on your beliefs on the moon landing...yes yes of course....
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Because I know where it goes I have been down this fucking road...the mentality affects me in ways I have never seen with another human...I have a unique mind....it&#39;s a good thing yet bad...no one knows it and no one ever will beyond simple messages like this.....but overall I say it didn&#39;t happen..no pissed off shit no telling people they are stupid just like oh it never happened....then people are all pissed "OH YOUR FUCKING STUPID WE BELIEVE IT WE DON"T CARE WHAT"S AGAINST IT WE DON"T GIVE A FUCK".....I just can&#39;t deal with the mentality of ignorant people....the truth is I don&#39;t know if the moon landing happened or not......I don&#39;t really give a fuck....I don&#39;t give a flying fuck if we landed on a fucking rock..

But ok you want another conspiracy that is just plain true....but I don&#39;t have enough relevant info to have a discussion on it....the world trade center stuff was all planned....it has been being planned for the last 4 years....this is fact that you realize once you start looking at factors........

Oh I didn&#39;t add being planned by the US..

[christophercles]

Ive got an original first addition version of starfleet batlle&#39;s, its a really fun game. Does anyone play starfleet command? thats what starfleet command is based on, damn i love that game, i play it all day at school, because i get good edumacashuns at sko0l.

[R. Gerschwarzenge]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But ok you want another conspiracy that is just plain true....but I don&#39;t have enough relevant info to have a discussion on it....the world trade center stuff was all planned....it has been being planned for the last 4 years....this is fact that you realize once you start looking at factors........

Oh I didn&#39;t add being planned by the US..[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Do you mean the theory where US planned the terrorist attack to justify the war against countries that are potential terrorist hideouts? And while they are at war with the terrorist countries they do something else while nobody is watching.


Edit: Note to myself: This is a thread about Star Wars vs. Star Trek and not about September 11th.

[christophercles]

I usually play both star wars and star trek games, and until lately the star wars ones have been of a better quality, but the two games i will deifnatly be buying on the days they come out- STAR TREK: BRIDGE COMMANDER and STAR WARS: GALAXIES. These games both look exelent, and are worth a look.

[R. Gerschwarzenge]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (christophercles @<hidden> Feb. 01 2002,14:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">two games i will deifnatly be buying on the days they come out- STAR TREK: BRIDGE COMMANDER and STAR WARS: GALAXIES.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Me too. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KingBeast]

Hey am I the only one that sees the Evil Empire as the British Empire (all of the minions have english accents) and the young fresh faced Rebels are the Americans (practically all of them have American accents)
Thats just my take on the whole star wars thing http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

**Edit

Not to mention the Empire having the big powerful navy, and being all oppressive and naughty http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[R. Gerschwarzenge]

IMHO the Empire has more features from nazi-Germany than from the British Empire.

[KingBeast]

Hmm that is also an interesting observation. What with the evil dictator naughty boy (the emperor) and the mass genocide of the empire (blowing up the planet)

[Akira]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rogue2020 @<hidden> Feb. 01 2002,07:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
Yes yes of course Rogue...you are the intellectual giant that can step away and anaylze the arguement but got into a flame war the first time someone challenged you on your beliefs on the moon landing...yes yes of course....
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Because I know where it goes I have been down this fucking road...the mentality affects me in ways I have never seen with another human...I have a unique mind....it&#39;s a good thing yet bad...no one knows it and no one ever will beyond simple messages like this.....but overall I say it didn&#39;t happen..no pissed off shit no telling people they are stupid just like oh it never happened....then people are all pissed "OH YOUR FUCKING STUPID WE BELIEVE IT WE DON"T CARE WHAT"S AGAINST IT WE DON"T GIVE A FUCK".....I just can&#39;t deal with the mentality of ignorant people....the truth is I don&#39;t know if the moon landing happened or not......I don&#39;t really give a fuck....I don&#39;t give a flying fuck if we landed on a fucking rock..

But ok you want another conspiracy that is just plain true....but I don&#39;t have enough relevant info to have a discussion on it....the world trade center stuff was all planned....it has been being planned for the last 4 years....this is fact that you realize once you start looking at factors........

Oh I didn&#39;t add being planned by the US..[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hey buddy it wasn&#39;t a flame on you. Was just pointing out a fact. Granted flames were flying on both sides during that discussion.

I can&#39;t say for certain if the moon landings happened cause I wasn&#39;t there. But in my little opinion there is more evidece towards than against. If that makes me one of your proclaimed "ignorant people" oh well. Thats life.

And you should start a seperate thread about the US planning the 9/11 attacks. Not here. I&#39;d be happy to discuss that with you if the flames could be at a minimum.

Do you listen to Art Bell? I love that show. Little pissed off that the internet broadcasts you have to pay for now though http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[Akira]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (christophercles @<hidden> Feb. 01 2002,13:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ive got an original first addition version of starfleet batlle&#39;s, its a really fun game. Does anyone play starfleet command? thats what starfleet command is based on, damn i love that game, i play it all day at school, because i get good edumacashuns at sko0l.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
SFC is one of my all time favorite games. I play it all the time, and I just recently got OP finally&#33; X-Tech here I come&#33;

I used to have SFB but I didn&#39;t know one person that would play with me http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif Oh well. I&#39;m glad that they made SFC....do you go on the Taldren Forums at all? I usually surf between these forums (when I can get on...everyday around 12 CST the forum slows down for me and I can&#39;t get on) and the Taldren Forums.

[Akira]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (R. Gerschwarzenge @<hidden> Feb. 01 2002,15:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">IMHO the Empire has more features from nazi-Germany than from the British Empire.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The Empire is clearly modeled on the Nazis....right down to the prejudice of inferior beings, the genocide, and militaristic attitude. Hell they had STORMTROOPERS for the love of god.(we won&#39;t even get into the misplaced stereotypes in Phantom Menace).

Much like in Star Trek the Romulans are modeled on the Romans/Japanese and the Klingons on the Mongol Hordes.

Too bad the Emperor didn&#39;t have a little Hitler mustache.

[Rogue2020]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (R. Gerschwarzenge @<hidden> Feb. 01 2002,01:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But ok you want another conspiracy that is just plain true....but I don&#39;t have enough relevant info to have a discussion on it....the world trade center stuff was all planned....it has been being planned for the last 4 years....this is fact that you realize once you start looking at factors........

Oh I didn&#39;t add being planned by the US..[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Do you mean the theory where US planned the terrorist attack to justify the war against countries that are potential terrorist hideouts? And while they are at war with the terrorist countries they do something else while nobody is watching.


Edit: Note to myself: This is a thread about Star Wars vs. Star Trek and not about September 11th.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
umm no it&#39;s something about some plan for the us to conquer the world or something...like I said I really don&#39;t have that much info on it.....

[Rogue2020]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (R. Gerschwarzenge @<hidden> Feb. 01 2002,01:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">two games i will deifnatly be buying on the days they come out- STAR TREK: BRIDGE COMMANDER and STAR WARS: GALAXIES.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Me too.  http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yeah i&#39;m gonna buy bridge commander....I have about 6 star trek games but one star wars.......

"Comparing the weapons characteristics of the SW games to the ST movies/series is just plain dumb.
What&#39;s the ingame range of the weapons in a ST game? (so not the stats)
Get my point?"

The INGAME range of weapons in Starfleet Command is more than 50000km. In X-Wing the INGAME range of lasers is 2km and other weapons about 6-8km. So Star Trek guys would destroy empires fighters (most of them don&#39;t have shields) quite easily from 30000km range... By the way, you have forgotten tractor beams. They should be able to keep empire&#39;s ships outside of the weapon range.

[Damage Inc]

It&#39;s banning time soon again

[christophercles]

No I dont really go to the sfc forums much, im still waiting to get into the sfc community and the dynaverse since MY ORION PIRATES CD BROKE AT A LAN&#33;&#33;&#33; (cries for hours, then chases people down the street in a fit of anger). So, when i get my new cd, ill probably start visiting, but probably not now.

And also, I dont think the federation was based on the japanese, since Gene said that he based alot of his creation on the book, i cant remember its name, but it had Hornblower in it. Come to think of it, i think it was called "Hornblower". Wierd coincidence eh? Anyway, that was based on the british navy.

[Akira]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (christophercles @<hidden> Feb. 02 2002,15:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No I dont really go to the sfc forums much, im still waiting to get into the sfc community and the dynaverse since MY ORION PIRATES CD BROKE AT A LAN&#33;&#33;&#33; (cries for hours, then chases people down the street in a fit of anger). So, when i get my new cd, ill probably start visiting, but probably not now.

And also, I dont think the federation was based on the japanese, since Gene said that he based alot of his creation on the book, i cant remember its name, but it had Hornblower in it. Come to think of it, i think it was called "Hornblower". Wierd coincidence eh? Anyway, that was based on the british navy.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Oh I didn&#39;t mean the Federation was based on the Japanese. i meant the Romulans were based on the Japanese and to a greater expense ancient Romans. The Federation is SUPPOSE to be based I imagine on some Socialist Utopian type society.

You are thinking about "Horatio Hornblower" which Roddenbury used to base the universe on, or rather the style. Old style swashbuckling adventure that is.

Be sure to pop on the forums when you can. Lotta interesting threads not to mention tons of screenshots that user made ships to put in the game.

[Placebo]

Closing http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif