New Uniform

[EvEnLeaSe44]

Ive heard about the new American Army Uniform being put into action, and i would like to see it on this game!

And here is more info (http://slate.msn.com/id/2106359/)

[Harnu]

Definately, because, yeah, it looks like it will work so well:

https://peosoldier.army.mil/photos/ACU2_low.jpg http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rofl.gif

[colossus]

Maybe it's bad pixilated or it might just happen that this is already done. (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/operationflashpoint2/screens.html?page=44)

Again, I'm not sure. (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/operationflashpoint2/screens.html?page=41)

It's already posted on Offtopic but then again, this is a suggestion.

[Harnu]

Maybe it's bad pixilated or it might just happen that this is already done. (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/operationflashpoint2/screens.html?page=44)
That's MARPAT, not an ACU.

[colossus]

Maybe it's bad pixilated or it might just happen that this is already done. (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/operationflashpoint2/screens.html?page=44)
That's MARPAT, not an ACU.
My bad http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif

[Kin Hil]

If the military implements the ACU a modder can always come along and reskin the standard game model.

My opinion, this grey ACU design is crap! Different environments require different camo... one color does NOT fit all.

[Bikecop]

I dunno but something tells me that the core units will be.
USMC
-Recon, STAE teams, FAST teams, snipers.
-Soldiers.
Army
-Delta, Rangers, Green berets.
-Soldiers.
No doubt that they have thought about this. I really do think ACU would be included. No dought MARPAT will be included we have already seen that. Dont worry yall. I dont think in 2010 we will see Woodland camo again. Be a good change of pace.

[ebns72]

Yeah, personally I think ACU is crap and the army should have gone with multicam. (http://www.multicampattern.com/IMAGES.htm#)

http://www.multicampattern.com/img/img1b.jpg
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/yay.gif


Well anyway, before this turns into an argument about camo, I have seen pictures of currently-used desert and woodland camo in the game so it looks like there will be no ACU. Though it is still early in development, you never know http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

From what I have seen so far, it appears that the game will be USMC-centric so we might not see as much of the army as we did in ofp1. Probably you might be some special forces but I think the grunt part will be focused on the marines. If BIS were to add the ACU, they might as well add an XM8 as well...personally, I hope neither is in the game. You never know though, the new ACU pattern might last until 2010, but this is really for BI to decide.

[Mr_Tea]

Imo, Multicam rules. It provides the best camo to various backgrounds. Perfect choice, best you can get. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/inlove.gif

[Kin Hil]

Damn, multicam is sweet!

[Harnu]

Info on the ACU:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/acu.htm

[MATRA]

ACU looks like a Firefly in the woodland http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif

[Harnu]

ACU looks like a Firefly in the woodland http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/huh.gif
I hear it comes with a loudspeaker that says "SHOOT ME" everytime you're near a tree.

[EvEnLeaSe44]

funny narnu

[Kin Hil]

What a horrible camo...
"Hey, green camo doesn't work well in the desert, and tan camo doesn't work well in the forest....I know!!!! Lets develope a camo that doesn't work well anywhere!"

[Madus_Maximus]

What a horrible camo...
"Hey, green camo doesn't work well in the desert, and tan camo doesn't work well in the forest....I know!!!! Lets develope a camo that doesn't work well anywhere!"
HAHAHAHA! I love those supposedly "educated" people at Army research. I don't suppose they've actually tested it, bet it was a "hey Bob, look what I got in Photoshop with some random filters!"
"WOAH THATS COOL JIM! Let's show the Army and say its the new camo they paid us to make but were too busy looking for porn!"

Multicam looks great... although why they're comparing them with Woodland in a desert/tan like environment I don't know. Seems quite biased to me.

[Harnu]

.

http://img192.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img192&image=grassa7nv.jpg (http://img192.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img192ℑ=grassa7nv.jpg)

Got that off another forum.

[xnodunitx]

Hmm I like the multicam the best for desert theme,it seems to fit real well,not sure how well it would do in a forest as compared to woodland,until we get optic camoflauge nothing is perfect. I think we should switc from the digital to be honest,because most of the BF2 community fools would think OFP2 is trying to bum off BF2 which HA we know is not true,BF2 played wouldnt stand a chance in OFP territory,lotsa health? Pft yeah right welcome to realism.

EDIT: same with the marines,why couldnt we just have some of the marines,army and navy? Oh yeah don't forget the air force,because lets face is like I said...the BF2 morons would think OFP2 is tryin to be like BF2,think about it.

Marines in digital camoflauge,samee ting eh? Cept we got more than they got and their so called good textures could never match the OFP communities even in its current state,just wait till we get them new good graphics oh man......*starts stocking up on food so he doesnt have to leave the house when AA comes out*

[funnyguy1]

Isn`t it (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/acu-pic01.jpg) more green? Or it`s just a matter of lighting.

btw, it looks like this soldier likes this idea http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

and yes, multicam is nice....

[EvEnLeaSe44]

Ok, we already talked about the west uniform, what about the Russian uniform, will they be looking like this ?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/army-uniform.htm

It would be a big change. And i would love to see this uniforms

[bravo 6]

well why not http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[MATRA]

Isn`t it (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/acu-pic01.jpg) more green? Or it`s just a matter of lighting.

btw, it looks like this soldier likes this idea http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

and yes, multicam is nice....
Look´s like only light to me.

[ebns72]

Your pics aren't loading harnu http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

[monty67t]

Hey guys, how's it going? I am in the Army (Alpha Co. 4/101 Aviation Regiment, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)) and we recently got the ACU. Believe it or not, it is a great improvement over the old BDUs. Not only is the material it's made of more comfortable and safer, but we don't have to get the uniforms pressed, they are wash and wear. Despite what you may think, we really don't care what kind of camo pattern they are, as long as they are comfortable and convenient. It's not like we low crawl along a woodline to sneak up on someone. The Army these days is way, way more urban warfare oreinted. The people in the Army that do sneak around don't wear ACUs, they wear whatever the hell they want (special operations). Overall, the reaction by my fellow soldiers has been good. Everyone is pretty much satisfied. Now, you wanna talk about wierd and ugly, check out the Air Force's new uniforms. It's some kind of wierd tiger stripe crap.

Monty

[Hellfish6]

I saw some guys in Georgia wearing the ACU a few months ago and it looked awful... they were in Savannah and they stuck out pretty bad.

I like the ACU for the fact that it was designed to be soldier friendly, but I really think the camo pattern was a mistake. I've seen pics of them in Iraq and even there, in urban environments, they look out of place. I wish they'd kept the prototypes that were the old DCU pattern.

Of all the new camo types I've seen, I like the desert Marpat the best. When it's in Afghanistan or in Iraq it always looks really good - blends in very well with the environment.

[jankyballs]

Well if the ACU is more comfortable, and the multicam looks better, why dont they just combine the two?  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

I mean really, a camo that is comfortable, convienient, and looks good would really be an awesome uniform.

[jankyballs]

Those would be great, but I want more than just communists to kill, what about some insurgents? Maybe some organized generic terrorist group? Or maybe the US and England will for some reason attack eachother. Hell, what about the UN and every single nations army into OFP? Yes I know thats WAY over the line but still, that would be the best thing ever to happen to me in my whole entire life, and everyone who plays OFP life's http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

[TkKivi]

Ok, we already talked about the west uniform, what about the Russian uniform, will they be looking like this ?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/army-uniform.htm

It would be a big change. And i would love to see this uniforms
Well, actually all of the uniforms in that page are used by garrison units. Those types of uniforms are not to be worn in combat, though the Flora pattern uniform is issued for field/combat use. You can get a better view of the modern Russian army here, most of the images are about the minister of interior troops (MVD)

http://russianarms.info/rushtm/6.htm

You can change the pages on the upper bar, 6 pages.

Yankyballs, what do you mean by communists? The Chinese? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/whistle.gif

[Placebo]

East uniform thread merged into here, it's not necessary to have two separate threads http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[xnodunitx]

Well if the ACU is more comfortable, and the multicam looks better, why dont they just combine the two? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

I mean really, a camo that is comfortable, convienient, and looks good would really be an awesome uniform.
It doesnt matter how the camo looks as long as it does its job.

[Harnu]

Well if the ACU is more comfortable, and the multicam looks better, why dont they just combine the two? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

I mean really, a camo that is comfortable, convienient, and looks good would really be an awesome uniform.
It doesnt matter how the camo looks as long as it does its job.
Isn't the way the camo looks exactly how it does it's job? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

[Friedchiken]

While I'm "sure" the administrative guys who are investigating the new grey camo aren't complete idiots, I just don't see why it's good at all. In OFP, the camo of the enemy makes a huge difference in my abilily to take them out.

I just feel from a civilian point of view that this uniform is a step back in history.

It's a pretty decent urban camo i guess. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/confused_o.gif

[sander]

Hi,

An advantage of a distinctive uniform is easier recognition. Since fatigues in U.S. Woodland pattern and derivatives have been adopted by many armies around the world, including numerous ones not entirely friendly towards the U.S., quick and correct identification of friend and foe was to some extent impeded. And with a camouflage pattern adopted like the current ACU, there may well be fewer fighting forces that want to adopt something very similar. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

Regards,

Sander

[SHWiiNG]

urgh no i dont like it .. it looks too neat and tidy.. thats like me going into battle wearing a camoed 3 piece suit.

[TkKivi]

A pretty good article about the basics of camouflage.
http://www.kamouflage.net/en_010400.php

Yeah I know, I'm a conversation-killer http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Madus_Maximus]

Hi,

An advantage of a distinctive uniform is easier recognition. Since fatigues in U.S. Woodland pattern and derivatives have been adopted by many armies around the world, including numerous ones not entirely friendly towards the U.S., quick and correct identification of friend and foe was to some extent impeded. And with a camouflage pattern adopted like the current ACU, there may well be fewer fighting forces that want to adopt something very similar. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

Regards,

Sander
What about the enemy? They'll see you WAY before you see them. Camo is supposed to make you blend into the environment, and this crap doesn't do that at all, unless your stood infront of a huge tv screen with static or something. Why can't they just combine the multicam pattern with it like someone else said? Or use woodland pattern on it. As is it looks retarded, it's as good as having a big sign saying "HERE I AM! SHOOT ME!" over his head.

[TkKivi]

Hi,

An advantage of a distinctive uniform is easier recognition. Since fatigues in U.S. Woodland pattern and derivatives have been adopted by many armies around the world, including numerous ones not entirely friendly towards the U.S., quick and correct identification of friend and foe was to some extent impeded. And with a camouflage pattern adopted like the current ACU, there may well be fewer fighting forces that want to adopt something very similar. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

Regards,

Sander
What about the enemy? They'll see you WAY before you see them. Camo is supposed to make you blend into the environment, and this crap doesn't do that at all, unless your stood infront of a huge tv screen with static or something. Why can't they just combine the multicam pattern with it like someone else said? Or use woodland pattern on it. As is it looks retarded, it's as good as having a big sign saying "HERE I AM! SHOOT ME!" over his head.
Yes, well combining a small like pattern with a more larger one is best for camouflage. You can spot the larger pattern from far away and avoid that "black blob" effect if you only have a small, for example digital pattern that hasn't got many different shades of color. So, combining M81 Woodland with the new ACU could prove out to be pretty good.

EDIT:

Hey guys, do you think I'm cut out to be a military fashion designer? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/254/m81acu5si.jpg

A simple combination of the M81 and ACU

[xnodunitx]

Yeah nice photoshop effect but eh...somehow t doesnt look right,could just be me as im ready to pass out over ere,heh >.> well im off. zzz

[Sophion-Black]

hmm... im not sure but i think the camo only works from a distance. I think thats what what i heard about this camo. I donno, i just hope i don't have to wear it when I go in the service. besides, they might use it for only urban combat... i hope.

[sander]

Hi,

The trouble is that the kind of fighting faced by dismounted troops nowadays puts them in clear view of an opponent anyway. The ranges in an urban environment where forces are now deployed are too short to effectively blend in with the environment. In such a situation quick and reliable identification of friend and foe has a higher priority. The distinctive greyish appearance of the ACU assists in that. Since the lethality of the armament of western forces like the U.S. army is greater than that brought to bear by the average opponent, being seen and recognised by your own side may well take precedence over the importance of not being seen by the other side.

On the one hand standoff engagements may be taking on a greater role in higher intensity conflicts, but the lower intensity conflict demands that troops are often deployed in situations where it is not only hard to hide, but where deployment in the open is an essential part of the mission (e.g. the policing role in a counter-insurgency campaign) and camouflage has low practical value. When patrolling a street clad in body armour, clutching heavy weaponry, accompanied by noisy and large vehicles it is going to be quite difficult blending in regardless of the colours of your clothing.

Regards,

Sander

[TkKivi]

Hi,

The trouble is that the kind of fighting faced by dismounted troops nowadays puts them in clear view of an opponent anyway. The ranges in an urban environment where forces are now deployed are too short to effectively blend in with the environment. In such a situation quick and reliable identification of friend and foe has a higher priority. The distinctive greyish appearance of the ACU assists in that. Since the lethality of the armament of western forces like the U.S. army is greater than that brought to bear by the average opponent, being seen and recognised by your own side may well take precedence over the importance of not being seen by the other side.

On the one hand standoff engagements may be taking on a greater role in higher intensity conflicts, but the lower intensity conflict demands that troops are often deployed in situations where it is not only hard to hide, but where deployment in the open is an essential part of the mission (e.g. the policing role in a counter-insurgency campaign) and camouflage has low practical value. When patrolling a street clad in body armour, clutching heavy weaponry, accompanied by noisy and large vehicles it is going to be quite difficult blending in regardless of the colours of your clothing.

Regards,

Sander
You make it sound like that, the military will only fight in urban areas. The woodland combat is a serious issue, and if the US troops go into such combat, wearing the ACU they will surely stand out more than than, let's say a OPFOR clothed in only khaki. Though ofcourse, the ACU will be only handed out to the units operating in urban areas?

[Airbourne Alchaholic]

What about a unit creation option in the main menu? (as in: "Campaign, Single Mission, Multiplayer, Map Editor, Unit Creator etc)

I'm not sure how many people have played "Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War" with it's "create your own chapter" menu, but somthing similar could be untilized for OFP2.

For example:

You could mix colours to suit your current terrain environment to get the perfect camoflauge, and an option to create a custom platoon/regiment badge. This idea sounds as if it could only be done for MP, but it would be handy for Online Squads/Clans/Guilds.

This could open up the player's choice a little more, rather than the default camo settings.

Another Idea is a program such as Oxygen actually integrated into the game, but I'll leave that for another topic. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Kin Hil]

There's a Japanese scientist who invented an invisible jacket. Now, just get that enviro-endurable and we got the best camo you can ask for.

ACU looks like a comfortable uniform, but not a working camo.

[STGN]

well this is only rumors but some say that the ACU was never tested but that the coulors was taken form a not good at all test pattern called all over track( some of you might remmember the patterns that was meant to compeat for the next us cammo pattern) and then merged with MARPAT. And that actualy Multicam was the leading camouflage. Also Multicam has been used in promoting FCS.
STGN

edit:
@<hidden> hil
I thort H.C. Andersen who was the first to make invisible clothing. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[D.murphy man]

There&#39;s a Japanese scientist who invented an invisible jacket. Now, just get that enviro-endurable and we got the best camo you can ask for.

ACU looks like a comfortable uniform, but not a working camo.
That sounds pretty intresting you got a link or any thing about it? I wanna get myself one of thous http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge2.gif

Edit:
Found a link&#33; sadly i cant find any pictures of it yet but its still pretty intresting Clicky&#33; (http://vietpage.com/archive_news/politics/2003/Mar/29/0049.html)
Edit2:
Found a pic&#33;

http://www.21stcentury.com.cn/image_news/21se_73/21se_73_23_0.jpg

[Nephilim]

marpat and multicam are the best usits i must say...
blend in purfectly

http://sasmod.ofpcentral.co.uk/forum_images/cryeguys_l.jpg
http://sasmod.ofpcentral.co.uk/forum_images/desert-grunts_l.jpg

the ACU .. well the eyes hurt lookin on it...

[xnodunitx]

I know those are supposed to be pixelated but um...the pixels arent supposed to be that big O.o wooo.

I prefer current urban camo over the erm....grayish digital camo but thats not my choice.

[Nephilim]

i know....
i need to scale them a bit ( 1 bit :P )

[STGN]

marpat and multicam are the best usits i must say...
blend in purfectly

http://sasmod.ofpcentral.co.uk/forum_images/cryeguys_l.jpg
http://sasmod.ofpcentral.co.uk/forum_images/desert-grunts_l.jpg

the ACU .. well the eyes hurt lookin on it...
You need some better textures.

It should look more like this(disreguard the woodland arms):
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1491/multicam5gl.jpg
STGN
edit:
Should be looking like this when finished:
http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/6346/multicamsoldier14pa.jpg

[sander]

Quote[/b] ]You make it sound like that, the military will only fight in urban areas. The woodland combat is a serious issue, and if the US troops go into such combat, wearing the ACU they will surely stand out more than than, let&#39;s say a OPFOR clothed in only khaki. Though ofcourse, the ACU will be only handed out to the units operating in urban areas?

Not exclusively, but predominantly as the destructiveness of precision guided munitions is forcing opponents to seek refuge precisely there were some measure of protection against these is available: densely populated areas where the threat of possible civilian casualties is more likely to deter, though not necessarily prevent, Western armies to drop heavy ordnance. There is much less chance of harming innocent bystanders in the woods, so artillery and bombs can be employed there with less discretion.

The pattern is intended to be a jack of all trades (but a master of none). Various patterns and colour schemes adjusted to different environments had originally been tested for the new uniforms, but in the end it was decided to adopt a pattern in single colour scheme for the usual reason (saving money).

Regards,

Sander

[xnodunitx]

Somehow that uniform reminds me of a sci-fi show.

[Ryujin]

The Army REALLY should be wearing Multicam. Just look at it&#33; works in woods , dessert, AND won&#39;t stick out much in urban areas because unless you are in major city its not all grey. Plus engagement ranges in urban spots are pretty low so camo dosen&#39;t matter as much.even ghost recon 3 is going with multi cam&#33; This evidence that the US is run by color blind republican aliens&#33; AAARRRGGGG&#33;&#33;&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

BUT, I dont see ACU in any shots so desregard the above.

[Necromancer-]

From various sources they claim that only Spec Ops make use of the Multicam...

Though I must agree with Sander...
Urban combat does not really require any form of effective camouflage.

[nx_illusion]

I think this will be good uniform for Russians. Used by Spets naz.

CLICK (http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/graphics/samples/00114.jpg)

http://www.kamouflage.net/graphics/eyecandy/rastr.jpg

[breaker44]

The camouflage uniform is developed for use in MOUT situations.
-Breaker Out

[Madus_Maximus]

Maybe it works fine in the MOUT training area as it&#39;s all farkin&#39; concrete&#33;

Sorry to say this, but not all "urban" environments are grey. Many are mixtures of concrete, glass, steel, sand stone, red brick and so on. You&#39;ll have a hell of a time blending in with that "camo". Even worse in desert towns.

They need to scrap the camo, and use the new material with a proven pattern, like MARPAT or Multi-Cam, hell even current issue 3 colour des and woodland would be better than that&#33;

[Harnu]

Sorry to say this, but not all "urban" environments are grey. Many are mixtures of concrete, glass, steel, sand stone, red brick and so on. You&#39;ll have a hell of a time blending in with that "camo". Even worse in desert towns.
I think that the grey is just fine to be held as "urban" camo. It&#39;s more ideally suited though for industrial and commercial environments. I can&#39;t speak for the rest of the world, but most industrial areas have some kind of grey overtone, or are very dull in color. I.E. I work as a steel fabricator, a dull grey would work pretty well in our machine shop and in the plant. And many commercial environments have more dulled down colors, indoors. You&#39;ll see a lot of off-white and grey in a lot of offices.