AA = DOA

[MKK]

Everyone seems to like the idea of releasing the Armed Assault. But I don't! As in the topic title, I think the Armed Assault is 'Dead On Arrival' (used normally with HW products).

Why? Here's my arguments:

1) Everyone wants to have their hands on FP2, but now they have just postponed their release AGAIN!!! Spring 2006 -> Q4 2006 = hopefully in 2007? Don't you all see what game they are playing with us? I'd say they are having meetings where they congratulates each other for keeping community happy.

2) If they are truly using upcoming FP2 engine in AA, they are simply beta testing the engine with customers. That's not right! By concentrating fully to FP2 and not releasing any middle products, they probably could release FP2 in spring 2006. Everyone knows how buggy their last releases were/are and now they are pushing another version out. I surely hope that their bug tracking and software development has been improved.
They also need to provide AA with new engine without any revolutionary features. So what's the meaning of FP2? Just a graphical update for AA? Not a reason for retail package, this could be provided with a patch/upgrade. New missions? This could be mission disc, not a full separate product.

3) As they are splitted with Codemasters, they renamed the product and are looking for a new publisher. This indicates that it can't be any upgrade or add-on for the original OFP product (I know, it's already said in press releases). So why we need another OFP within a new retail box? Is e.g. Half-Life 2 just a engine update with old HL1 levels? NO! What BI should do, is to release OFP2 (or whatever the new name is) and include old OFP1 missions in it as an extra bonus for the players. That's the way to do software releases.

If you're as disappointed as I am, please continue blaming BI for having a product that is already dead... (otherwise, please go to an another topic for thanking them http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif )

[Phleep]

Are you unaware of the information given in the last few days. They have been making a more efficient and more functional engine to use with the Xbox and people have been begging them to release a version of OFP with them included and so they have. It is not OFPII engine just the OFP engine with less of the problems.

I for one look forward to it as it will give a fresh chance to sell the game properly without a buggy first release since they cannot sell a game on the XBox without it being virtually bug free and this should make the PC version of the engine more well rounded and in line with the features of other games (bar the insanely large scenarios, huge numbers of units, massive flexibility in mission structure, rolling landscapes, circadian time, MODability, etc.).

[d034rk]

I think the community is prudentially enough to wait another 1,5 years. We know that the time is required to produce such a blockbuster. When you look at the planned innovations it should be clear that it won't be possible to release the games by EA-style.

I think I speak on behalf of the community when I say that we take OFPAA as present to shorten the waiting time. I also don't think that they use us for beta-testing, BIS surely don't want to loose their credibility they built up in the last years.

I don't want to rate you by your amount of posts, but I don't think that you know "them" as much as we do. BIS are highly respected in the community, they know it and the last thing they would do is to fool us. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/blues.gif

[InqWiper]

I know Im gonna get AA.
People even buy VBS1 (expensive) even though they know its not a game. Why would people not buy AA which is a game?

[Garcia]

I think your theory is DOA...a very big part of the community is gonna buy AA, and enjoy AA...at least I am.

[HKFlash]

Everyone seems to like the idea of releasing the Armed Assault. But I don't! As in the topic title, I think the Armed Assault is 'Dead On Arrival' (used normally with HW products).

Why? Here's my arguments:

1) Everyone wants to have their hands on FP2, but now they have just postponed their release AGAIN!!! Spring 2006 -> Q4 2006 = hopefully in 2007? Don't you all see what game they are playing with us? I'd say they are having meetings where they congratulates each other for keeping community happy.

2) If they are truly using upcoming FP2 engine in AA, they are simply beta testing the engine with customers. That's not right! By concentrating fully to FP2 and not releasing any middle products, they probably could release FP2 in spring 2006. Everyone knows how buggy their last releases were/are and now they are pushing another version out. I surely hope that their bug tracking and software development has been improved.
They also need to provide AA with new engine without any revolutionary features. So what's the meaning of FP2? Just a graphical update for AA? Not a reason for retail package, this could be provided with a patch/upgrade. New missions? This could be mission disc, not a full separate product.

3) As they are splitted with Codemasters, they renamed the product and are looking for a new publisher. This indicates that it can't be any upgrade or add-on for the original OFP product (I know, it's already said in press releases). So why we need another OFP within a new retail box? Is e.g. Half-Life 2 just a engine update with old HL1 levels? NO! What BI should do, is to release OFP2 (or whatever the new name is) and include old OFP1 missions in it as an extra bonus for the players. That's the way to do software releases.

If you're as disappointed as I am, please continue blaming BI for having a product that is already dead... (otherwise, please go to an another topic for thanking them http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif )
Well you seem to have lost many information, so Ill consider you...uninformed.

1) So you think BIS is playing with the comunity by delaying the game? Are you paranoid or what? They  are making this game to be a well made game, not some simple update with bugs. This is a great project that everyone should support.

2) No they arent using FP2 engine on AA. The last uses an upgraded version of the original OFP engine. Check the 3D models of the characters. Higher resolution textures, new water, more triangles on the 3D models, new foliage, etc...

3) AA is not a new OFP with a new name, and you will find out that soon...

Blaming BIS? You create a thread to blame BIS in their own forums? Ok you are definetly paranoid.

[walker]

Hmm

Me smell a Troll

Quote[/b] ]MKK

Group: Members
Posts: 1
Joined: Aug. 2004

Gets facts wrong. Only and first post a knocking post.

Hmm who would that be of advantage to?

Still all publicity is good publicity!

Kind Regards Walker

[Heatseeker]

Seeing how far BIS wants to go with OPF2 its obvious why they have postponed the game, i wouldnt be surprised if the game is delayed again, i mean their goal is just a gigantic step forward in technology, see how many times S.T.A.L.K.E.R. has been delayed, now that does look like a inovative game, yet not half has much has OPF2.

ARAS is everything we always wanted, a better flashpoint that takes advantage of a number of improvements they have made to the engine while working on the xbox version and VBS1 plus it will bring new content.

See it like this, a game like OPF2 just cant be made in a rush, consider the fact it took ID 5 years to make Doom3 and you understand that this game will take time because it really is alot bigger and more complex, now imagine what would people play if ARAS wouldnt be released, because lets be honest, there is no other game like OPF out there and it is becoming less stable with new hardware.
I think ARAS is definetly a must have because there are no decent large scale war games anywhere http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif .

[SpecOp9]

1) Everyone wants to have their hands on FP2, but now they have just postponed their release AGAIN!!! Spring 2006 -> Q4 2006 = hopefully in 2007? Don't you all see what game they are playing with us? I'd say they are having meetings where they congratulates each other for keeping community happy.

2) If they are truly using upcoming FP2 engine in AA, they are simply beta testing the engine with customers. That's not right! By concentrating fully to FP2 and not releasing any middle products, they probably could release FP2 in spring 2006. Everyone knows how buggy their last releases were/are and now they are pushing another version out. I surely hope that their bug tracking and software development has been improved.
They also need to provide AA with new engine without any revolutionary features. So what's the meaning of FP2? Just a graphical update for AA? Not a reason for retail package, this could be provided with a patch/upgrade. New missions? This could be mission disc, not a full separate product.

3) As they are splitted with Codemasters, they renamed the product and are looking for a new publisher. This indicates that it can't be any upgrade or add-on for the original OFP product (I know, it's already said in press releases). So why we need another OFP within a new retail box? Is e.g. Half-Life 2 just a engine update with old HL1 levels? NO! What BI should do, is to release OFP2 (or whatever the new name is) and include old OFP1 missions in it as an extra bonus for the players. That's the way to do software releases.

If you're as disappointed as I am, please continue blaming BI for having a product that is already dead... (otherwise, please go to an another topic for thanking them http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif )
1) Personally, the release date of Operation Flashpoint 2 does not thwart my thought that Armed Assault is a brilliant idea, for whatever reason it's being made for. Operation Flashpoint 2's release date will be well worth it. Armed Assault will be well worth it. I can't wait to see the final product for OFP2, because I know that this extra time will really blow away anything that stands in its path.

2) Flashpoint 2 is somewhat like a build-off, not of OFP, but VBS1 and/or OFP for XBox. I see AA as an enhanced game for folks who don't have VBS1.
All PC games have their bugs, all games get updated when these bugs are addressed to the development team.
Simple. Armed Assault is definately NOT a beta test for OFP2, OFP2 will likely have a Beta test for itself, just like OFP did.

3) Nobody ever said Armed Assault would have any compatibility with OFP1, or any relationship what-so-ever with AA. Owning a title is different than owning the actual game, if BIS wants, they can have compatibility with OFP, as long as it's game engine remains the same, and supports PBO files and all that other stuff.

I don't see what the problem truly is?

Armed Assault is a new videogame being developed by BIS?
So what? Better for us

[Bonko the Sane]

nowadays, if a new game is a hit it will have a +\- 6 months shelflife expectancy, OFP is several years old and its still alive and kicking, if OFP2 or whatever its going to be named will come out in 2006\2007 ill gladly buy Armed Assault and play it for another 1 or 2 years, i bought UT2K4 and HL2, played those for a month and sold them, and those were BIG hits...they were nothing but fancy engines with eye candy, Armed Assault will bring back a LOT of peeps that abandoned our community and some new ones while we wait for OFP2

[bn880]

Huh?

I think this AA relase is a bloody good idea, especially if it is done on time with a reliable publisher.

We all want it, and there will likely be a lot of new customers of a different breed, since JIP is there and graphics are better...

Regards

[Sanctuary]

The OFP fans have been dreaming of OFP 1.5 for years , since the first rumour of it appeared.
VBS1 seemed to be that OFP 1.5 , so the dream was broken.

Now BIS is making OFP 1.5 a reality under the Armed Assault name.
I can't imagine an OFP fan thinking Armed Assault is a bad thing.

OFP2 is far way , but it is not a problem, OFP 1.5 will be here soon and that what is important for us, OFP long time or new fans.

Personnally i don't really care about the opinion of people that don't play OFP/VBS1 or left the community because they prefer other games with better graphics but poorer gameplay and simulation.
I never experienced any games like OFP, and i don't play any other games anymore as they are unable to provide this simulation level and situation possibility, so any improvements on OFP is an excellent move for me.

Long live Armed Assault, and thank you BIS.

[Commando84]

Armed Assault won't be a bad thing at all, Fans have waited long time for a roumored expansion pack or ofp 1.5.
i remember the vbs1 and some other project that was similar that was named something that i don't remember but it featured uh-1 hueys , marines stuff and looked almost like ofp 2 pics , but not as flashy http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
AA got my support and many others, and i will have to judge you for just 1 post and i think you have been living under a rock for many years http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Marshal]

The main thing on my wishlist for both ArA and OFP2 would be for them to sort out the problems with cheating. I cannot see the point of releasing any sequal if after lets say a month, the new game has ammo cheats, ID changers, Speed cheats, etc, etc.

Myself, being the owner of the TNT league which has supported this game for more than two years, cheating is definitely the main reason why so many people have left the game because whats the point of trying to compete with players who just click a button to get a better score?

Anyway, I hope ArA is a good game, but from the screenshots, I was hoping of something more on the lines of VBS1.

Only time will tell if the main community comes back to play ArA and OFP2 when (and if) it comes out.

Which leads me onto a question that perhaps Placebo can answer? It seems to me that perhaps Codemasters will be releasing OFP2 under a different team according to their recent press release?  But BIS also has details on their website about OFP2 stating that the publisher has not been found yet for the game?

What is the real answer? Will Codemasters release OFP2 without BIS or will BIS release a new game which is basically OFP2 but under a different name under a new publishing deal? Is that the real reason why BIS is releasing Armed Assault so that by Winter 2006 it will be an established brand which can have the OFP sequal that we all expect?

EDIT: Actually, after going back and having a look at the press release by BIS, I see that they no longer mention the name OFP2 - so its obvious that the game which would have originally been called OFP2 and released by BIS, will now probably be called Armed Assault 2 or something similar. I would still think that Codemasters will release some form of game under the name OFP2 though, but not developed by BIS?

Marshal Law
TNT League Owner]
http://www.tntleague.com

[Dwarden]

Will be irony if Enemy in Sight goes renamed to FlashPoint 2 ...

[dmakatra]

Will be irony if Enemy in Sight goes renamed to FlashPoint 2 ...
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

It's interesting to see what Codemaster's can cook up with the OFP license. They say it's going to be a realistic sim just like OFP1. But they also said Call of Duty was realistic. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

EDIT: Ah crap, that was Activision. Ah well, same shit different names eh? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif

[Chipper]

all i know is im happy with BIS and i will buy everygame they make.

[benreeper]

I've been playing OFP consistently since the beta demo over 4 years ago. Spending 2 years playing AA while waiting for OFP's sequal is going to feel like a fortnight.
--Ben

PS: I also distrust discouraging remarks from people with low post counts . http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/ghostface.gif

[Antichrist]

I am really happy with what AA looks like at the moment and I will be more than happy to buy it.

[Cozza]

no matter what happens. We'll continure to support BIS. I know I will. Even if OFP2 is made by someone else I'll still support BIS. The games are fine and the company is friendly http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[4 IN 1]

even if they put us on beta testing we wont mind, all BIS need is to say is that it is beta like and would like us to give feeback,
then we would be more then happy to do so

[PRiME]

There is a lot of confused people in this thread, stating very incorrect information even when BIS has made clear with press statments etc.

Anyway I think BIS is doing the RIGHT thing, 10 out of 10 for deciding to do OFP1.5 for PC, and in 2005.

It is what I was hoping they do all along as certain things are needed to keep the OFP community going strong upto the distant release of ofp2.

OFP1 is better then VBS1 and .. jesus do I really need to say this?

http://www.bistudio.com/presspages/aapressrelease.html

[WargamingNor]

Hmm... MKK; you wouldn't happen to be employed by Codemasters by ancy chance? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/ghostface.gif

[4 IN 1]

Hmm... MKK; you wouldn't happen to be employed by Codemasters by ancy chance?  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/ghostface.gif
for a secound there me too have quite a same though no it, yet since some said b4 not to rate him with his post number i think it is right to drop this idea http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[PRiME]

Yes BIS SHOULD employ me http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[LtUlrich]

I, like everyone except the dork who started this thread, think AA is a great idea. I should also mention that ANY software company that releases a game by the name of Operation Flashpoint that isn't Operation Flashpoint will suffer irreversible damage.

I would like to encourage a boycott on Codemasters until they release the OFP name to BIS. Although this may never happen, Codemasters is digging their own grave by releasing any game by that name anyway. To be honest, I've never bought or even really looked at any other Codemasters game, and from what I've heard I'm not missing anything.

I would also like to request that a moderator change the name of this thread to 'Codemasters - Doomed?' or something to that effect. Thanks.

[MKK]

Quote[/b] ]
I don't want to rate you by your amount of posts, but I don't think that you know "them" as much as we do.

Well I've been playing the game for a long time now, having LAN parties with self-made missions, reading this forum a lot etc. but not just commenting in it. So what next? My skin color?


Quote[/b] ]
They have been making a more efficient and more functional engine to use with the Xbox ...


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It is not OFPII engine just the OFP engine with less of the problems.

OK, I admit. I withdraw my argument #2. But I think this underlines my argument #3, that they're having problems with Codemasters, they just can't give any upgrades/patches to original OFP anymore and that's the main idea behind AA. Nevertheless we have another packaging for OFP (+bonus island). It's like band who is publishing an anthology/collection (CD with old songs + 1 bonus track for collectors) for the Christmas. Same thing here with AA.
But before you blame me more, don't worry I'm with you buying the new software when it's in the stores (like it or not) and having a good Christmas.
If BI is out of money and they are desperately trying to keep developing the new game, I think they deserve the funding.


Quote[/b] ]
Blaming BIS? You create a thread to blame BIS in their own forums? Ok you are definetly paranoid.

Of course I blame BIS in their own forum. You know, freedom of speech... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif


Quote[/b] ]
I, like everyone except the dork who started this thread, think AA is a great idea.

I don't bother to comment on this. I can only say that this was and is MY opinion. I can't help you if you don't think like I do.

[LtUlrich]

Okay; truce.  I think we probably agree on most things.

One thing first though:  Playing the race card (however ineffectively or inappropriately) makes your argument weak.

I think that everybody thinks of this AA thing differently, but your analogy about a rock bands 'best of' album is a good one.  From what I can gather, Codemasters became frustrated that BIS was unwilling to comprimise on OFP2's quality, forcing the pushing back of release dates.  Codemasters (and who knows who else) is no longer financing development on OFP2 (BIS now calls it Game 2), and so they are going to use what they have developed thus far, coupled with original OFP technology to release a totally separate title.  This is no doubt to fund the continued development of Game 2, a cause we can all support.

Sorry for calling you a dork, but to create a thread that is obviously made to discourage BIS and incite an argument that we all have to admit we're not informed enough to have... well, you be the judge.

My first post on this board sure wasn't in a new thread that I made, and it sure wasn't intentionally named to piss people off, and surely not the people kind enough to host this awesome board.

I would also like to take this opportunity to reiterate my previous comments about Codemasters.  Imagine if by some legal trick some mediocre company ended up with the 'Adobe' or 'Microsoft' name.  Would they have the audacity to use it to push obvious imitations that can't possibly compete with their originals?  I doubt it.  It would spell their death.  Codemasters should return the OFP rights to BIS.  They've earned it.  If Codemasters is so spiteful that they will not, then they can choose one of two paths:  Drop the OFP name, never use it again, and maybe survive in the industry, or use the name on some other game that will never come close and piss off lots and lots of people worldwide.

WE hold the keys to Codemasters' future, people.  Vote with your wallets.

EDIT: Glad to hear you are buying the game; you've redeemed yourself.

[4 IN 1]

i always wondered how BIS being able to earn moneys, they may made some profit on VBS1 but thats wont be much, well hell i wouldnt mind even if they open up a paypal donation, game developement needs money, and it is highly possible that project AA(sorry for watching and playing too many japeness anime and games) is the way to make funds for the company.

personaly i think the AA idea is great, it iron out some bugs, add something new in it(if not many), lifting the freedom, these could keeps most of the hardcord OFP fans happy while waiting for the mind blowing OFP2(or whatever bis will name it, DAMN CODIE, DAMN THEM ALL!!!) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
we all belived that BIS wont let us down, hell, we supported them for 4 long years now, and i wont mind a year or two more.

[h -]

Quote[/b] ]It's like band who is publishing an anthology/collection (CD with old songs + 1 bonus track for collectors) for the Christmas.
And it's actually more like band who is re-recording bunch of their old songs plus couple new ones and releasing it for the christmas http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

I have to say I have never understood why people are judged by their post counts... I've been following these forums since it's creation, registered 2002 and have only 100 posts...
So does that make me less of a OFP fan/less dedicated to OFP community http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
Well, maybe I need to start writing all those "Wohoo, great http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif" comments to get my post count up http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[MKK]

I have to say I have never understood why people are judged by their post counts... I've been following these forums since it's creation, registered 2002 and have only 100 posts...
So does that make me less of a OFP fan/less dedicated to OFP community http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
Well, maybe I need to start writing all those "Wohoo, great http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif" comments to get my post count up http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
I totally agree with you!
(now my post count went up again) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[LtUlrich]

I don't judge people by their post count, unless its 1!

You will see that I registered late and have posted seldom. The reason for this is that my posts are generally several paragraphs long and contain multiple ideas portrayed in complete sentences.

The last post is an example of what not to do.

Would have liked to have heard MKK respond to something loosely linked to the topic of his thread, not immature banter about nothing relavent.

[h -]

I wasn't 'attacking' you personally...

So first post should then be what if not critical or expressing your own opinnion?
Is there's a certain limit of posts to be reached until you have earned the right to be critical or share your opinnion?

And I'm not referring to this 'case' alone, it has happened before... Not only with people with low post counts, but also with people who have not been registered here for years...
It doesn't mean that if you are a die hard OFP fan you would register here.. I know a few myself...

And, it seems that in here posting your own opinnion when it contradicts the vast majority's opinnion is simply not 'allowed' and results in insults and very often even a flame 'fest'...
Also, a single post length/amount of paragraphs/lines does not always mean the post is worthwhile... (like in the case of this post http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif )
In this particular case I think MKK realised the hint of sarcasm I was aiming at...
(I do admit that it's fairly hard to recognise that from a written text...)

But this is drifting into the 'seas of off-topic' and if we continue this ranting for much longer I think we get slapped on the fingers http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

Anyway, although MKK is entitled to his/her opinnion of AA being DOA, I do not concur with it for the reasons expressed by many before me...
I will buy it... Even if everyone here would tell me after playing it that it sucks...
(Which is quite impossible equation...)
I don't see any stupidity or harm in releasing AA, and if it helps BIS to gather funds in the pursuit of "OFP2" what would be a better reason for releasing it...

[LtUlrich]

So first post should then be what if not critical or expressing your own opinnion?
Is there's a certain limit of posts to be reached until you have earned the right to be critical or share your opinnion?
You make two good points here, I can only say that someone who makes their first post in a new thread that's named 'AA = DOA - Worst Mistake' at a time when everyone is ecstatic to catch a glimpse of what they've been waiting for all this time must be expecting a flamewar, or at least a thorough argument.

I don't know. People are welcome to post whatever they like, and I don't think anyone should be discouraged from posting for the first time, but really, it's not a very good way to make friends, is it MKK?

[[OGN]DarkPhantom]

Just take ppl how they come..... like joining the service... its not how much they can mouth off .. it more of how much they can destroy???

[colossus]

I guess some thinks there is hierarchy here.

EDIT:
More posts, more expericence with the forums and knowledge of what addons and news there is about
OFP/ArAs/Game 2.

[LtUlrich]

Well, I think to an extent this is true.

If I start making big statements about the nature of OFP2 or even stuff like making missions or addons, people will look and see that I only have forty-something posts and they will conclude that I haven't involved myself in many conversations on this board.  This to me seems okay, even though I might be a daily visitor to OFPEC.

Conversely, I would be more likely to take stock in what someone says if they have hundreds of posts.

I wouldn't call it a heirarchy, because everyone knows that noobies are sometimes right and hardcore, till-death-do-us-part enthusiasts are sometimes wrong, but I do think it's a fair measure of one's "experience level".

If I felt like I had tons of knowledge and intuition to add to this board, my post count would be much higher.  But the truth is, I seldom have anything intelligent to add to what are most often highly technical or highly knowledge-intensive conversations, and this is reflected by my post count.

It's the fairest system we have, and the only way around it is by making sure that all your posts are clear, well written, and most of all, say something relevant.

BTW, I'm not terribly bothered by this thread or the fact that it was MKK's first post.  In fact, it has bloomed into an interesting conversation regarding the nature of message boards.  Here's a question:  Would you support a Karma system on this board?  I've seen other boards that allow users to Kiss/Slap other users, which then translates into the user's 'Karma' rating.

What would your Karma be?  

I think mine would be positive, and not just because I happen to agree with everyone, but because I explain my points well and my posts are easy to read.  And I'm an all-around good guy.  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

EDIT:  There are over 18,000 members with no posts.  Amazing.  Ruskie has the most with 7961, and bn880 is a distant second with 6504.

ANOTHER EDIT:  It seems that the designers of this board think that your rating should be directly tied to your post count.  This is somewhat unfortunate, IMO.

0-399 = 1 star
400-799 = 2 stars
800-1499 = 3 stars
1500-3999 (guessing here) = 4 stars
4000-? = 5 stars

[h -]

Quote[/b] ]Here's a question: Would you support a Karma system on this board? I've seen other boards that allow users to Kiss/Slap other users, which then translates into the user's 'Karma' rating.
I actually have not been on a board yet that has the Karma feature so I don't have any experience on it... (although one of 'my' boards probably has that once the software gets updated)

There's a sort Karma feature on these boards, it's just controlled by the moderators http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif


Quote[/b] ]What would your Karma be?
That would be hard to say because I really have not taken part in any discussions and tend not to...
I also wouldn't always have anything intelligent to add, and my views on certain issues would just cause problems...


Quote[/b] ] It seems that the designers of this board think that your rating should be directly tied to your post count. This is somewhat unfortunate, IMO.
Oh...
I never paid any attention to the stars actually...
At first I wondered what they are used for, but never bothered to look into it..

I really don't see the point in 'rating' people although all boards seem to have a feature of that sort...
I never really pay any attention to post counts...


Quote[/b] ] I can only say that someone who makes their first post in a new thread that's named 'AA = DOA - Worst Mistake' at a time when everyone is ecstatic to catch a glimpse of what they've been waiting for all this time must be expecting a flamewar, or at least a thorough argument.
Sure, but I would think that was the whole idea...
When somebody posts something that is his/her opinnion they most likely do it to make their point heard and to see whether there are others that think the same...
And surely they know when their opinnion is very different from the majority they will get people worked up..

And yes, probably not the best way to start on some forums...

[RUKH]

"Judge me by my postcount do you??"

(Not many people here that has doubled their 4 years of posting in one week!! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif)

On the topic again....i´ve had OPF since first day and dl´d all patches the day they were released.
That is "addiction", and for something to be addicting it has to be good...really good and BIS has not once let me down.
Unlike several other "sim" oriented shooters through the years..

[Garcia]

Off topic: Post count sucks a bit...makes ppl post just to get it up. I've been here since 2002. Was at OFPEC even longer than here (since end of 2001 I think). I've always been around, though I don't post too much...

On topic: No matter what BIS does...if they make a new game based on OFP, and makes expansion packs for it, I'll buy them...As long as it's OFP, and as long as the last OFP game didn't suck, I'll buy the next one. Not only to support BIS, but because I trust BIS, and expect them to give me a good game that I'll have a lot of fun with. I've got a lot of games, belive me...but I usually only plays 2 different games a day: OFP and Football Manager 2005 (of course, most OFP). It's cause, playing other games is so boring compared to a good game of OFP http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif Only play other FPS games when I want to have some fun without thinking too much...

[Marshal]

Post counts mean nothing. Its not how many times you post, its what you have to say that counts. Just because you shout the loudest does not mean you have the strongest argument.

The wise usually listen and then act upon what they have learnt - the stupid usually speak often and learn little. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

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[Albert Schweitzer]

I have to say I have never understood why people are judged by their post counts... I've been following these forums since it's creation, registered 2002 and have only 100 posts...
So does that make me less of a OFP fan/less dedicated to OFP community http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
Well, maybe I need to start writing all those "Wohoo, great http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif" comments to get my post count up http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
I totally agree with you!
(now my post count went up again)  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Wohoo great!  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

Now seriously. Of course the post count is no proof of competency nor loyalty to this game. Nor is there any reason why one shouldnt have the right to start his first thread with criticism of BIS.

However you must understand that even OFP1 started with the same problems you mentioned before. OFP was actually a full mess when it came out. Worse than the most dangerous e-mail viruses!


But this game isnt and never was successful because of the stability but because of the opportunities this game has to offer. And as long as there is no substitute product on the market we will remain loyal. Even if the following AA only offers a limited amount of improvements.

So see it this way. Currently there is OFP, just OFP.. nothing else. In the coming year there will be AA, which is an advanced version of OFP, nothing else than AA.

So what do you have to chose from? Stick with OFP or chose better AA.

We are willing once again to buy a game that is fully bugged for the exchange of not getting a mainstream product.

But who sais it will be bugged? And who sais those bugs wont dissapear during the first 2 patches?

[Balschoiw]

Funny....I went here to read some stuff on AA=DOA and get a lengthy portion of "mine is bigger than yours" http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
I guess we should better get back on the issue before the mods get the broom and wipe the thread to death...

[LtUlrich]

Funny....I went here to read some stuff on AA=DOA and get a lengthy portion of "mine is bigger than yours"
Hardly. We were just discussing the way people percieve one another here. Notice that those involved in the contest you refer to (myself included) are exchanging thoughts civilly and intelligently, and most of us have very few posts. Sure it's off topic but did we really expect this thread to be a serious discussion on why nobody will buy AA?

[Placebo]

Unless there's a point to this thread and a purpose for it to continue in the AA forums it will be closed, so I'd suggest getting back on topic and staying on topic http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[B.A.M]

I think Armed Assualt is a canny move by BIS.

1. Keeps the exsisitng community happy and tide over till "ofp2"

2. Reawakens new interest in the franchise.

3. Draws away from the now unusable by BIS Operation Flashpoint brand.


Bis can now cement a new name for the realistic war sim franchise by releasing OFP 1.5 under a different name, which they then can carry over to "OFP2" - Armed Assault 2 anyone???

[DeZzErX]

I think Armed Assualt is a canny move by BIS.

1. Keeps the exsisitng community happy and tide over till "ofp2"

2. Reawakens new interest in the franchise.

3. Draws away from the now unusable by BIS Operation Flashpoint brand.


Bis can now cement a new name for the realistic war sim franchise by releasing OFP 1.5 under a different name, which they then can carry over to "OFP2" - Armed Assault 2 anyone???
I completly agree with you on that http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[DOA]

After all the modern equipment provided my the community addons I welcome an official modern war release from BIS.
I will keep OFP loaded on my machine far into the future, even when they release OFP3 and 4. Having the best military simulation available to the general public upgraded in graphics and features is very welcomed by this OFP fan. They could have made us wait for OFP2 and left 1.96 just like it is. I don't care how many retail boxes I end up with. $50, $60, or $70 dollars for years of enjoyment and entertainment is a good investment.

[Tophe]

AA = DOA is bullshit.

[Matthijs]

Yes. I think AA is really a PERFECT solution. Keeps everyone happy.

Or maybe they could have done something different:
If BIS had said "OFP2 will be called Armed Assault", and had introduced the real OFP2 as "Armed Asault 2", we would not have had any bull**** topics like this one.
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