Do you know how to end Israel-Palestinian War??

[Icabola]

I believe both of them (majority people) have the same spirit for peaceful relationship....

UN peace keeping force must be there....

Israeli must withdraw from Palestinian territory...(based on existing agreement) ...and Palestinian have to stop suicide bombing, arrest the Alfatah-member or other Jihad-member that really against human rights.

Again UN Peace Keeper should be there....(but why Israeli always reject this???)

[Damage Inc]

Nah, I can't think of anything.

I have an idea, but noone will like it.

[Damage Inc]

Does it involve nukes?

[Assault (CAN)]

Neither can I.....

I have a feeling that this will be a LONG thread.

IMO, there is no perfect solution to the violence in the middle east, this is a very complicated problem and can't be made simple.

They have been fighting since Israel declared itself a nation and I am beginning to think that we should just let them fight it out. Some of the Israelis/Palestinians are so set in their ways of hate that they cannot be reasoned with. Both sides just need to make their peace and I think that process can be hurried along if Yasser Arafat was gone. He doesn't seem to have control over his police force or his populace. I also think that the U.S. should withdraw it's $$$ for the Israeli military.

This topic has been disscused several times before and it leads nowhere, the same can be said about the conflict in the Middle East.

Tyler

[Pete]

to let them "fight it out" is out of the question.

a modern army vs pretty-much-nothing.


a third party has to get in between and FORCE both of them to stop the fighting, a un peacekeeping force or something..

[Ex-RoNiN]

I agree with CAN, the violence has become part of their culture almost, and it is disgusting how both parties have (lots) of people advocating the continuation of violence. Maybe we should build a big wall around Israel and the countries bordering her immediately (the wall will go around Lebanon, Syria, Egypt etc.) and declare the inside into a war zone, and give everybody who likes peace etc. 1 year to leave it. After that we let them slaughter each other, and once they are fed up we let civilization back in.

Alternatively, we could end this whole affair by declaring Jerusalem a free city under UN supervision and protection. The UN force protecting it should be communist or Buddhist or from some other neutral party; because if the force consists of Jews/Christians/Muslims, they will only start fighting for the place. If it is under neutral control (ie people who dont give a damn) then everybody can be assured that they are indeed neutral. Also, Palestine and Israel should be ethnically divided for a while to calm down a bit. Palestine needs to be declared a free state, with border and everything, Israel must accept these borders. Once Palestine starts going as a normal country type thing, then things will calm down. Palestine SHOULD be given a military though, this will be needed to keep the violence in check. And Jerusalem should remain under UN supervision and protection, or maybe declared a city state (like Vatican City), with its own guards and promised UN protection.

Who had the land originally, give it to them.

[Ex-RoNiN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Monkey Lib Front @ Jan. 16 2002,19:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who had the land originally, give it to them.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Kinda hard to tell. Before Israel, it was all Arabic land. Before that, the Turks had it. Before that it was part of the Byzantine Empire. Before that, it was part of the Roman Empire. Before that, Greece had it. Before that, it was bandit country (no real power present). Before that it was the Egyptians. Before that it was the Babylonians. I have reached something like 4000 B.C. now, and it is still not possible to determine who&#39;s land it is.

Maybe it should all be given to me http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Most land invasion stuff has ended now exept west bank and the indian pakistani thing, i think the israelis should have it because the palistinians are really just the nomads and are just trying to muscle in.

No, it doesn&#39;t involve nukes. I think the palestinians want war, so let them have at it. Let the arabs and israelis fight it out. Winner take all.

[Ex-RoNiN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Monkey Lib Front @ Jan. 16 2002,20:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Most land invasion stuff has ended now exept west bank and the indian pakistani thing, i think the israelis should have it because the palistinians are really just the nomads and are just trying to muscle in.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No, read my post, they had it before the Israeli&#39;s, when it was under British rule (which I forgot to mention).

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (OBiJuan @ Jan. 16 2002,20:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No, it doesn&#39;t involve nukes. ***I think the palestinians want war, so let them have at it. ***Let the arabs and israelis fight it out. ***Winner take all.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Where did the nukes come from?

Someone (Damage) asked if it involves nukes. Sorry to confuse.

::Confused:: soz

[Ex-RoNiN]

Doesn&#39;t it come from an old thread, suggesting to nuke the Middle East and create the world&#39;s biggest parking lot?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Jan. 16 2002,09:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Doesn&#39;t it come from an old thread, suggesting to nuke the Middle East and create the world&#39;s biggest parking lot?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No&#33; It&#39;s my fault&#33; I responded to the third post without quoting&#33; I&#39;m SORRY&#33; *WAAAH&#33;*

Now I confused the monkey. Confused monkeys are funny. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Ex-RoNiN]

Who the heck r u callin a monkey http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Jan. 16 2002,10:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who the heck r u callin a monkey ***http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Uh, monkeylib. Not you. Oh gosh - I better stfu before I dig a deeper hole. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry&#33;

[Assault (CAN)]

Well the Middle East wouldn&#39;t make a very good parking lot. After all, I would have to drive half way around the world to use it&#33; http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Then I would have to walk the other half back to my work place.

Not very efficient if you ask me http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Tyler

[Pete]

exronin...very nice idea with the "vatican city" http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


there was more than one thread with "nuke arabs/muslims/palestinians/everybody"..mostly started by.erhm..someone http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[silent wings]

simple really, blow them both up.then they CANT kill each other,if they are too stupid to stop the war themselves then maybe we can help by ....um crashing a small moon onto them or by dropping a rock the same size as britneys ego onto the general area.

[Ex-RoNiN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Pete @ Jan. 16 2002,21:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">exronin...very nice idea with the "vatican city" http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thanks http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[theavonlady]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Jan. 16 2002,21:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No, read my post, they had it before the Israeli&#39;s, when it was under British rule (which I forgot to mention).[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Go to the library, and read some intelligent Mid-East recent history books that were published before the WEB with all of it&#39;s nonsense conent came out. What you&#39;re saying his simply false, as in wooden teeth.

[Blink Dog]

First of all the UN would just screw it up even more. I personally would rather see Isreal on top. Isreal is a lot more friendly to European and north American policies. I think duking it out is really the only way. The truth by any side has been diluted and distorted for so long that no one really knows why it really ever started.

[4ntifa]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No, read my post, they had it before the Israeli&#39;s, when it was under British rule (which I forgot to mention).[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Go to the library, and read some intelligent Mid-East recent history books that were published before the WEB with all of it&#39;s nonsense conent came out. What you&#39;re saying his simply false, as in wooden teeth.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Whose books? How about these?

"Between 3000 and 1100 B.C., Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan...Those who remained in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes." [i]Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, "Their Promised Land."

"The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years...Then it fell apart...[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David&#39;s conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at [only] a 414 year Jewish rule." Illene Beatty, "Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan."

"The Balfour Declaration, made in November 1917 by the British Government...was made a) by a European power, b) about a non-European territory, c) in flat disregard of both the presence and wishes of the native majority resident in that territory...[As Balfour himself wrote in 1919], &#39;The contradiction between the letter of the Covenant (the Anglo French Declaration of 1918 promising the Arabs of the former Ottoman colonies that as a reward for supporting the Allies they could have their independence) is even more flagrant in the case of the independent nation of Palestine than in that of the independent nation of Syria. For in Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country...The four powers are committed to Zionism and Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-long tradition, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import than the desire and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land,&#39;" Edward Said, "The Question of Palestine."

And please AvonLady, don&#39;t bring out that huge ANTI-SEMITIST stamp and label me again. I&#39;m absolutely against all kinds of racism, including anti-semitism - and Zionism, which is just another sick racist/fascist/nationalist ideology.

[silent wings]

have a worldwide poll, whoever wins the vote takes all,my vote goes to israel.

[Icabola]

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Joku said :
I think that we should exterminate palestinians. They are a terrorist nation and they won&#39;t stop as long as they exist or Israel is destroyed. I would choose exterminating palestinians.
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Well Joku ..this world is not designed for Western or Eastern, nor Israelis or Palestinian ...we all have the equal right to live in peaceful and harmony......Even if you do not believe in God you still have the real truth deep down inside your heart. If you are mature enough...or maybe when you getting old you would see the world in a different way... Its very beautiful life is if there is a peace...
How could you said that one should be exterminated??? What if you were born as a palestinian??? (Frankly I am a Taiwanese living in US) Try to be just...not one sided.........
I am very sure not all Israelis nor Palestinians like this war.....Its just a bunch of hardliner or politicians who make things worst.....that sometimes use a religion as their vehicle......
Please be mature in what you are saying.....try to understand the world...there is no superiority in one to another...even you are the most powerful country in this world...

Regards,

Icabola

PS. Sorry for my language.

[Wobble]

Well the Taleban are being exterminated.. I cant think of many folsk aside from.. well the taleban who would have it any other way..

[Ex-RoNiN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Jan. 18 2002,18:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well the Taleban are being exterminated.. I cant think of many folsk aside from.. well the taleban who would have it any other way..[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
this is bollox

you dont "exterminate" a political/religious movement

the taliban are not a people, they are/were a political/religious movement

it would be correct to say "the taliban have been destroyed", but not exterminate.

[Thehamster]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (silent wings @ Jan. 17 2002,13:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">simple really, blow them both up.then they CANT kill each other,if they are too stupid to stop the war themselves then maybe we can help by ....um crashing a small moon onto them or by dropping a rock the same size as britneys ego onto the general area.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Neither side is stupid but there is some much hate between them that peace is nearly impossible. The only way for any thing that resembles peace would be for the Israelis to remove all there settlements on the west bank.

But the west is to blame for this conflict mainly as when we decided to give the Jews the land some bright spark said
"The Jews are a people with out a land and It is a land with out people"(This quote is not whole accurate as I can&#39;t remember it word for word) But Israeli very much so had people on it who were just told this isn’t your country anymore bugger off. Which would piss off any one.

Frankly I would have given them part of Germany to live in it seems quite fair when you look at it maybe not quite what the Jews would have liked but it would have been fair.

[Assault (CAN)]

Ronin, I strongly doubt the Taliban will be back any time soon. I think the main concerns now, as far as war goes, will be de-mining Afghanistan. The Soviets dropped lots of mines on that place and even more were planted during the civil wars afterwards. The only threat from the Taliban now would be some small sporadic attacks, as happened a few weeks ago near a marine base. And a seperate one in which a U.S. soldier was killed. Though I&#39;m sure there are still many zealots left, but they will (hopefully) have a hard time orginizing again.

Tyler

[Ex-RoNiN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Jan. 19 2002,00:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ronin, I strongly doubt the Taliban will be back any time soon. I think the main concerns now, as far as war goes, will be de-mining Afghanistan. The Soviets dropped lots of mines on that place and even more were planted during the civil wars afterwards. The only threat from the Taliban now would be some small sporadic attacks, as happened a few weeks ago near a marine base. And a seperate one in which a U.S. soldier was killed. Though I&#39;m sure there are still many zealots left, but they will (hopefully) have a hard time orginizing again.

Tyler[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Where did I say they&#39;ll be back http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Assault (CAN)]

You said they were destroyed, not exterminated. I think its the latter.

Tyler http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[brgnorway]

An organisation doesn&#39;t exist as a fixed entity per se. It&#39;s dynamic - people come and go. Even if you wipe out what you believe to be all of the members, it can still "live on". Movements like Al Qaida and Taliban and several more will continue to exist in one way or another as long as there are people willing to believe in the ideological aspects of these organisations. Ideas are very hard to kill indeed. Just look at the former colonies. Who would have thought the claim for independence would endure the first initiations in many of those countries? I know, I&#39;m not right in comparing former colonies with al Qaida and Taliban, and the f. colonies claim for independence were justified - and of course whatever the claims of the al... ***Taliban, they just cannot be justified in any way (or at least the actions). However, if people have a strong will and an ideology they soon build identites wich are hard to "exterminate". I suspect that even if the al Qaida has taken a few beatings and hit the canvas, there are allways someone willing to commit themselves to the cause (may the force not be with them), and sign up.

The palestinian authoroties are not terrorists even though they can&#39;t control some of the more militant groups. Having said that I&#39;d like to emphasize the fact that the israelis attacks on civilians as well as the palestinian authoroties are just as bad as the actions of the militant palestinians. Both parties terrorize, and if peace is to be implemented both parties must stop the violence. Oh, and Sharon obviously has to go. But I suspect that will happen in the near future when the israeli people understand that the hardline aproach doesn&#39;t get rid of the suicide bombers.

Let there be peace&#33;

[Ex-RoNiN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Jan. 19 2002,00:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You said they were destroyed, not exterminated. I think its the latter.

Tyler ***http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
/me sighs

go back to my post and read what i wrote. i listed the difference between extermination and destruction.

What do kids learn in school these days http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Supah]

The problem with the middle east and especially the PA is that there no longer is a leader. Arrafat is just a geriatric who no longer has control over his bladder let alone "his people".