new survey

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anyone seen this:?

http://community.codemasters.com/forum....d=52243 (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=52243)

[Ironsight]

Here it is:

Features

Play as the general at a strategic battle level controlling whole armies or zoom into the action and play as a individual soldier, tank or plane and make a difference as a hero unit in the thick of the battle.

Recreation of a real country with recognisable landscapes and buildings. Created from detailed maps and utilising seamless streaming technology giving a huge and realistic gaming environment.

A multi threaded story which has many endings depending on how you play through the game. Save the world from oppression, cower in hiding or become a dictator general ruling with an iron fist.

Experience life as a soldier to it’s fullest. Join a recognised unit. Drill, guard duty, write letters to loved ones. Move through the ranks or to different units and experience different countries, environments and events.

Fully manipulate and destroy environments, buildings can be blasted to dust, landscapes reshaped with craters and forests decimated by fires. Dig trenches, build tunnels, create enforced positions.

Massively Multiplayer war. Take part in World War 3, with the frontline constantly changing in a war which never ends. Move through the ranks, from grunt fighting at the front to general, commanding 1000’s of AI and human players through a strategic map.

Single Player open war. No levels, the battle commences, fight until you die, if you die select a new role. Go anywhere, do anything, see the results, experience the consequences. The end only comes when the enemy is defeated, it could take 5 hours it could take 50, what effect could, you have

Scenarios

As a coalition force fight against resurgent Iraqi forces in the deserts and urban landscapes of Middle East and Iraq to overthrow a new despot who maybe hiding stockpiles of nuclear weapons and has links to terrorist organisations in an attempt to reduce the global threat he represents.

Become a member of a combined forces team sent in to defuse a violent and bloody war in the Congo. Battling rebel factions and drug barons who are using mercenaries in the mountains and jungles of Africa to bring peace to the troubled region.

Experience all out war when the super powers of USA and China collide in an East meets West showdown. Set in potentially the biggest flashpoint in real world international politics, fight to protect the people of Taiwan and their right to democracy. Battle in the diverse environments of Taiwan and surrounding islands against aggressive invaders of the colossal Chinese army in cities, villages, farmland, and forests.

As an American soldier, join forces with NATO to overthrow a dictator responsible for the genocide of his own people in a fierce air and land conflict in the Balkans. Join forces with other nations to destroy his military force and rescue a nation under persecution


Themes

Cold War Erupts It’s 1980 and the Cold War turns hot as as the Soviet Union tries to sweep through Europe before America’s material advantages can bring the Cold War to a close. American tactics and technology must defeat the brute force of numbers and Soviet steel, in a desperate struggle to save Europe from a totalitarian fate.

Post Holocaust 2010. Europe in ruins, France has the largest agricultural resources left and Britain and Germany invading to try and seize territory. Player has to conquer the other European states to rule the continent!

American Civil War 2 – 2010. Base in America, West Coast Alliance fighting off an invading force lead by the Army of NY, again for resource and land. Aim of game: reunite the United States by becoming the largest force and conquering the country.
America v Japan 2100. A rearmed Japan has ambitions to be an Empire again. A decadent and divided America becomes alarmed at the growth of Japanese influence in the Pacific and a small scale naval incident leads to an all out war. Following a limited nuclear exchange, the Japanese invade the West Coast from their forward bases in Cuba. Defend or attack the USA, your choice! Futuristic weaponry, familiar locations for battles.

Europe v America 2070. A fully United European Superstate and the USA clash in Africa over control of the oil and gem resources. Each controls part of the continent and has large forces available. The aim is to invade quickly and seize control before the other side can reinforce. Satellite weapons, lasers, fast moving open combat.

Allies v Russia 1945. Germany has surrendered, Stalin has seized Berlin. Instead of backing off, the Allies unite with what is left of Hitlers shattered war machine and head for Moscow. World War 3 has begun. Starts with all the units in historically accurate positions. Allies have access to the German secret weapons, V3’s etc and the Russians have their “supertank” divisions…

From www.opflash.org

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[subfaction]

I'm interested to see what the forum guys think?

[vektorboson]

Is it April fool's day? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif

[subfaction]

i like the sound of:

Allies v Russia 1945.

could make for some really epic gritty battles, but then I'm a big fan of ww2 stuff...

[Heatseeker]

Eww, alot of rubish there, especialy those RTS type options and the futuristic apocalipse post holocaust stuff http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif .
I just want a huge realistic war where we play in the field, just like OPF but better in all possible aspects http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif .

[Uziyahu--IDF]

What you have under "Themes" is a survey for a NON-Flashpoint game, not for the OFP sequel.

As for the rest of it, it all sounds so good that it is very hard to decide. ***http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Mostly, I think they should remain faithful to the OFP formula and just add mid-game joining and the ability to host persistent games, on-going battles.

MMOFPS sounds good, but that stuff sometimes comes at the cost of good graphics and hit detection. We should probably have Vegas from @War tell us how the hit detection is in WW2Online.

[cassandra]

Quote[/b] ]Experience all out war when the super powers of USA and China collide in an East meets West showdown. Set in potentially the biggest flashpoint in real world international politics, fight to protect the people of Taiwan and their right to democracy. Battle in the diverse environments of Taiwan and surrounding islands against aggressive invaders of the colossal Chinese army in cities, villages, farmland, and forests.

sounds good.. even the features - I just hope they don't make it overly "realistic" as it's only a game and it would leave out alot of players

uzi, you haven't been in the community long enough to talk http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif

[Hellfish6]

Can anyone PM me a link to the survey? I never got it (or my spam filter did).

[cassandra]

check top of post url for now

I think it's a codem thing.. but seeing as codem doesn't work terribly well most of us will never see it

[Hellfish6]

I know - I was hoping someone had a link to the actual survey. I have the Code M login and stuff, but if I got the newsletter it was caught in a spam filter.

[Buggs]

Here we go: OFP 2 Survey (http://www.codemasters.co.uk/surveys/dosurvey.php?surveyid=215)

[m21man]

These I like...

Quote[/b] ]Features

Recreation of a real country with recognisable landscapes and buildings. Created from detailed maps and utilising seamless streaming technology giving a huge and realistic gaming environment.

Experience life as a soldier to it’s fullest. Join a recognised unit. Drill, guard duty, write letters to loved ones. Move through the ranks or to different units and experience different countries, environments and events.

Scenarios

Become a member of a combined forces team sent in to defuse a violent and bloody war in the Congo. Battling rebel factions and drug barons who are using mercenaries in the mountains and jungles of Africa to bring peace to the troubled region.

Experience all out war when the super powers of USA and China collide in an East meets West showdown. Set in potentially the biggest flashpoint in real world international politics, fight to protect the people of Taiwan and their right to democracy. Battle in the diverse environments of Taiwan and surrounding islands against aggressive invaders of the colossal Chinese army in cities, villages, farmland, and forests.

Themes

Cold War Erupts It’s 1980 and the Cold War turns hot as as the Soviet Union tries to sweep through Europe before America’s material advantages can bring the Cold War to a close. American tactics and technology must defeat the brute force of numbers and Soviet steel, in a desperate struggle to save Europe from a totalitarian fate.

[Hellfish6]

Cheers, Buggs. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[cassandra]

thanks! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[Hellfish6]

Quote[/b] ]Here it is:

Features

Play as the general at a strategic battle level controlling whole armies or zoom into the action and play as a individual soldier, tank or plane and make a difference as a hero unit in the thick of the battle.

I liked this very much. I see it as a kind of Flight Sim (on par with Falcon 4.0 and Commanche/Hokum) where you get a whole overview of a war and have the option to jump into any unit or command position any time you want.


Quote[/b] ]
Recreation of a real country with recognisable landscapes and buildings. Created from detailed maps and utilising seamless streaming technology giving a huge and realistic gaming environment.

Of course! Who wouldn't want this?


Quote[/b] ]A multi threaded story which has many endings depending on how you play through the game. Save the world from oppression, cower in hiding or become a dictator general ruling with an iron fist.

Meh.. not terribly interested. I don't play OFP for the gripping campaigns - I would play a game withe a dynamic campaign, though.


Quote[/b] ]Experience life as a soldier to it’s fullest. Join a recognised unit. Drill, guard duty, write letters to loved ones. Move through the ranks or to different units and experience different countries, environments and events.

This intrigues me very much. I voted for this quite highly. If they do it, they'd better do it right, though.


Quote[/b] ]Fully manipulate and destroy environments, buildings can be blasted to dust, landscapes reshaped with craters and forests decimated by fires. Dig trenches, build tunnels, create enforced positions.

Would be cool, but low on my wish list.


Quote[/b] ]Massively Multiplayer war. Take part in World War 3, with the frontline constantly changing in a war which never ends. Move through the ranks, from grunt fighting at the front to general, commanding 1000’s of AI and human players through a strategic map.

This could be cool if it's done right. I think it would be a mistake to just dump hundreds of people inside a battlefield without structure. If you give them some sort of incentive to follow orders and not be Rambos, then it might be very, very cool.


Quote[/b] ]Single Player open war. No levels, the battle commences, fight until you die, if you die select a new role. Go anywhere, do anything, see the results, experience the consequences. The end only comes when the enemy is defeated, it could take 5 hours it could take 50, what effect could, you have

This could be the single greatest feature, IMHO. I am a single player first, a multi player second. This would give me hours and hours of constant enjoyment.

Scenarios


Quote[/b] ]As a coalition force fight against resurgent Iraqi forces in the deserts and urban landscapes of Middle East and Iraq to overthrow a new despot who maybe hiding stockpiles of nuclear weapons and has links to terrorist organisations in an attempt to reduce the global threat he represents.

Blah. That's a horrible storyline. I'd rather invade Syria or Iran (virtually, of course). This plotline sounds like a bad Ben Affleck movie.


Quote[/b] ]Become a member of a combined forces team sent in to defuse a violent and bloody war in the Congo. Battling rebel factions and drug barons who are using mercenaries in the mountains and jungles of Africa to bring peace to the troubled region.

Though I'd love to see anything having to do with Africa, this was my second choice. I'd rather my mod team do this instead of people who may not be as interested. Besides, I can't see such a scenario being widely popular. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif


Quote[/b] ]Experience all out war when the super powers of USA and China collide in an East meets West showdown. Set in potentially the biggest flashpoint in real world international politics, fight to protect the people of Taiwan and their right to democracy. Battle in the diverse environments of Taiwan and surrounding islands against aggressive invaders of the colossal Chinese army in cities, villages, farmland, and forests.

This was my top pick. This would be awesome, but I wouldn't limit it to Taiwan. How about Pacific Russia? Take part in a Chinese seige of Vladivostok. Battle along the Amur River. So much can be done with this and I think it's interesting enough to have wide appeal.


Quote[/b] ]As an American soldier, join forces with NATO to overthrow a dictator responsible for the genocide of his own people in a fierce air and land conflict in the Balkans. Join forces with other nations to destroy his military force and rescue a nation under persecution

Meh. Doesn't strike me as particularly inspired.



Quote[/b] ]Themes

Cold War Erupts It’s 1980 and the Cold War turns hot as as the Soviet Union tries to sweep through Europe before America’s material advantages can bring the Cold War to a close. American tactics and technology must defeat the brute force of numbers and Soviet steel, in a desperate struggle to save Europe from a totalitarian fate.

This is the best scenario represented here. A classic good vs. bad and something everyone can relate to, I think.


Quote[/b] ]Post Holocaust 2010. Europe in ruins, France has the largest agricultural resources left and Britain and Germany invading to try and seize territory. Player has to conquer the other European states to rule the continent!

Yawn. Despite what you may think, I doubt many Americans would buy this game just to shoot the French.


Quote[/b] ]American Civil War 2 – 2010. Base in America, West Coast Alliance fighting off an invading force lead by the Army of NY, again for resource and land. Aim of game: reunite the United States by becoming the largest force and conquering the country.

Yawn. Quite implausible.


Quote[/b] ]America v Japan 2100. A rearmed Japan has ambitions to be an Empire again. A decadent and divided America becomes alarmed at the growth of Japanese influence in the Pacific and a small scale naval incident leads to an all out war. Following a limited nuclear exchange, the Japanese invade the West Coast from their forward bases in Cuba. Defend or attack the USA, your choice! Futuristic weaponry, familiar locations for battles.

Yawn. Leave sci-fi to the Star Trek people.


Quote[/b] ]Europe v America 2070. A fully United European Superstate and the USA clash in Africa over control of the oil and gem resources. Each controls part of the continent and has large forces available. The aim is to invade quickly and seize control before the other side can reinforce. Satellite weapons, lasers, fast moving open combat.

Yawn. Next.


Quote[/b] ]Allies v Russia 1945. Germany has surrendered, Stalin has seized Berlin. Instead of backing off, the Allies unite with what is left of Hitlers shattered war machine and head for Moscow. World War 3 has begun. Starts with all the units in historically accurate positions. Allies have access to the German secret weapons, V3’s etc and the Russians have their “supertank” divisions…

This could be cool. A "What if Patton lived" kind of thing. Only problem is that the Americans had nothing to stand up to half the Soviet tanks of this era.

[ExtracTioN]

Quote[/b] ]Here it is:

Features

Play as the general at a strategic battle level controlling whole armies or zoom into the action and play as a individual soldier, tank or plane and make a difference as a hero unit in the thick of the battle.

I liked this very much. I see it as a kind of Flight Sim (on par with Falcon 4.0 and Commanche/Hokum) where you get a whole overview of a war and have the option to jump into any unit or command position any time you want.


Quote[/b] ]
Recreation of a real country with recognisable landscapes and buildings. Created from detailed maps and utilising seamless streaming technology giving a huge and realistic gaming environment.

Of course! Who wouldn't want this?


Quote[/b] ]A multi threaded story which has many endings depending on how you play through the game. Save the world from oppression, cower in hiding or become a dictator general ruling with an iron fist.

Meh.. not terribly interested. I don't play OFP for the gripping campaigns - I would play a game withe a dynamic campaign, though.


Quote[/b] ]Experience life as a soldier to it’s fullest. Join a recognised unit. Drill, guard duty, write letters to loved ones. Move through the ranks or to different units and experience different countries, environments and events.

This intrigues me very much. I voted for this quite highly. If they do it, they'd better do it right, though.


Quote[/b] ]Fully manipulate and destroy environments, buildings can be blasted to dust, landscapes reshaped with craters and forests decimated by fires. Dig trenches, build tunnels, create enforced positions.

Would be cool, but low on my wish list.


Quote[/b] ]Massively Multiplayer war. Take part in World War 3, with the frontline constantly changing in a war which never ends. Move through the ranks, from grunt fighting at the front to general, commanding 1000’s of AI and human players through a strategic map.

This could be cool if it's done right. I think it would be a mistake to just dump hundreds of people inside a battlefield without structure. If you give them some sort of incentive to follow orders and not be Rambos, then it might be very, very cool.


Quote[/b] ]Single Player open war. No levels, the battle commences, fight until you die, if you die select a new role. Go anywhere, do anything, see the results, experience the consequences. The end only comes when the enemy is defeated, it could take 5 hours it could take 50, what effect could, you have

This could be the single greatest feature, IMHO. I am a single player first, a multi player second. This would give me hours and hours of constant enjoyment.

Scenarios


Quote[/b] ]As a coalition force fight against resurgent Iraqi forces in the deserts and urban landscapes of Middle East and Iraq to overthrow a new despot who maybe hiding stockpiles of nuclear weapons and has links to terrorist organisations in an attempt to reduce the global threat he represents.

Blah. That's a horrible storyline. I'd rather invade Syria or Iran (virtually, of course). This plotline sounds like a bad Ben Affleck movie.


Quote[/b] ]Become a member of a combined forces team sent in to defuse a violent and bloody war in the Congo. Battling rebel factions and drug barons who are using mercenaries in the mountains and jungles of Africa to bring peace to the troubled region.

Though I'd love to see anything having to do with Africa, this was my second choice. I'd rather my mod team do this instead of people who may not be as interested. Besides, I can't see such a scenario being widely popular. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif


Quote[/b] ]Experience all out war when the super powers of USA and China collide in an East meets West showdown. Set in potentially the biggest flashpoint in real world international politics, fight to protect the people of Taiwan and their right to democracy. Battle in the diverse environments of Taiwan and surrounding islands against aggressive invaders of the colossal Chinese army in cities, villages, farmland, and forests.

This was my top pick. This would be awesome, but I wouldn't limit it to Taiwan. How about Pacific Russia? Take part in a Chinese seige of Vladivostok. Battle along the Amur River. So much can be done with this and I think it's interesting enough to have wide appeal.


Quote[/b] ]As an American soldier, join forces with NATO to overthrow a dictator responsible for the genocide of his own people in a fierce air and land conflict in the Balkans. Join forces with other nations to destroy his military force and rescue a nation under persecution

Meh. Doesn't strike me as particularly inspired.



Quote[/b] ]Themes

Cold War Erupts It’s 1980 and the Cold War turns hot as as the Soviet Union tries to sweep through Europe before America’s material advantages can bring the Cold War to a close. American tactics and technology must defeat the brute force of numbers and Soviet steel, in a desperate struggle to save Europe from a totalitarian fate.

This is the best scenario represented here. A classic good vs. bad and something everyone can relate to, I think.


Quote[/b] ]Post Holocaust 2010. Europe in ruins, France has the largest agricultural resources left and Britain and Germany invading to try and seize territory. Player has to conquer the other European states to rule the continent!

Yawn. Despite what you may think, I doubt many Americans would buy this game just to shoot the French.


Quote[/b] ]American Civil War 2 – 2010. Base in America, West Coast Alliance fighting off an invading force lead by the Army of NY, again for resource and land. Aim of game: reunite the United States by becoming the largest force and conquering the country.

Yawn. Quite implausible.


Quote[/b] ]America v Japan 2100. A rearmed Japan has ambitions to be an Empire again. A decadent and divided America becomes alarmed at the growth of Japanese influence in the Pacific and a small scale naval incident leads to an all out war. Following a limited nuclear exchange, the Japanese invade the West Coast from their forward bases in Cuba. Defend or attack the USA, your choice! Futuristic weaponry, familiar locations for battles.

Yawn. Leave sci-fi to the Star Trek people.


Quote[/b] ]Europe v America 2070. A fully United European Superstate and the USA clash in Africa over control of the oil and gem resources. Each controls part of the continent and has large forces available. The aim is to invade quickly and seize control before the other side can reinforce. Satellite weapons, lasers, fast moving open combat.

Yawn. Next.


Quote[/b] ]Allies v Russia 1945. Germany has surrendered, Stalin has seized Berlin. Instead of backing off, the Allies unite with what is left of Hitlers shattered war machine and head for Moscow. World War 3 has begun. Starts with all the units in historically accurate positions. Allies have access to the German secret weapons, V3’s etc and the Russians have their “supertank” divisions…

This could be cool. A "What if Patton lived" kind of thing. Only problem is that the Americans had nothing to stand up to half the Soviet tanks of this era.
I totally agree with you on all points m8 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
the sci-fi stuff that must be a joke I hope 2100 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
Also it would be a waste of time if they cancel the sci-fi stuff the release would also some months earlyer http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[Ironsight]

The scenarios are all very nice but the theme's they came up with are a bit cheap and a bit too Sci-Fi. I would rather play themes of the moment instead of themes in 2070.

Dev's: Please don't let this game turn into a Sci-Fi game http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif


Quote[/b] ]
American Civil War 2 – 2010. Base in America, West Coast Alliance fighting off an invading force lead by the Army of NY, again for resource and land. Aim of game: reunite the United States by becoming the largest force and conquering the country.

How the hell do they come up with this http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

As for a theme: I think the war on terrorism would be a cool theme with some "what if" scenarios like invading the middle east together with Israel and sweep it clean in one big Blitzkrieg, with Merkava's and Abrams driving through the desert from Israel to Afghanistan. Maybe some Marine Task Force's that fight their way through northern Africa.

Now that's a theme http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[-=BT=- Matty R]

i like some stuff in there but then all the themes are just **** !!!

Ofp was not made to be for an RTS style game ***http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

erm dont need ww2 things ofp has that already.. erm cold war narr ofp already has the cold war...

In the end when I think of OFP 2, all I want to see is an updated graphics engine, with engine limitations fixed, a new REALISTIC story (not some far fetched 2070 conflict) new units for that storyline and more of the same that made OFP a success. Something modern like 2006 at least..
Not some drastic change from OFPs gameplay into some scripted, unreplayable game

Just wondering where did the vietnam idea go...

[SnypaUK]

I liked the Idea about NATO (notice emphasis not on USA v world) V hyperpower China in taiwan. Good story as would be a "what if" scenario with a soviet invasion of Germany in 1989.

Dynamic campaign good as is "Soldier Career" idea although i dont like the idea of going to the bog and eating in a computer game http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

[-=BT=- Matty R]

i would like to see it modern like not before 1990 and not after 2010..

[Baphomet]

Quote[/b] ]Single Player open war. No levels, the battle commences, fight until you die, if you die select a new role. Go anywhere, do anything, see the results, experience the consequences. The end only comes when the enemy is defeated, it could take 5 hours it could take 50, what effect could, you have


Good god. YES! YES! YES!

No more levels. One big gigantic dynamic mission. Total freedom. I currently have to settle for CTI or TYS' Unscripted Vietnam war for this kind of experience. I really hope BIS decides to support this sort of format natively in the released product. I'm not talking about turning OFP into a battlefield clone, but I really like playing a longer mission in which the AI is truly free to assess and perform a huge variety of tasks and a truly open ended mission structure. Some people might not like that extra requirement to think for themselves, however I'd love it. Being allowed to save the game however would be a must.


Quote[/b] ]


Quote[/b] ]Play as the general at a strategic battle level controlling whole armies or zoom into the action and play as a individual soldier, tank or plane and make a difference as a hero unit in the thick of the battle.


I liked this very much. I see it as a kind of Flight Sim (on par with Falcon 4.0 and Commanche/Hokum) where you get a whole overview of a war and have the option to jump into any unit or command position any time you want.


I think this is a great feature too, reminds me of the command engine. The success of COC to me indicates that a fair amount of people want this type of thing natively supported as well. It just adds a lot more dimension to the gameplay. This would make multiplayer a lot more interesting.


Quote[/b] ]As an American soldier, join forces with NATO to overthrow a dictator responsible for the genocide of his own people in a fierce air and land conflict in the Balkans. Join forces with other nations to destroy his military force and rescue a nation under persecution

This is similar to the Jagged Alliance 2 storyline only in more temperate climate which is great. So I automatically favor this one. Anyting that gets me a bit closer to experiencing something like that in OFP is a good thing.


Quote[/b] ]
Quote[/b] ]***

American Civil War 2 – 2010. Base in America, West Coast Alliance fighting off an invading force lead by the Army of NY, again for resource and land. Aim of game: reunite the United States by becoming the largest force and conquering the country.


How the hell do they come up with this ***



Sounds a lot like those supposed predictions by that John Titor charater who says that there's going to be a civil war around 2010. You can't possibly tell me that in 10 years we're going to have sci fi laser guns however. It seems very very unlikely.

[Mr_Tea]

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif This Russia invading Europe stuff reminds me at a Book i read some time ago. It was Red Storm Rising by Tom Clancy.
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif By reading this Book you cane become an Idea of what a total "conventional" War would mean.If Flashpoint 2 will bring that "thrill" as it is in that Story,than it will be a gaming experience never seen before.

[kavoven]

Well, actually it's quite good that we here ANYTHING about OFP 2, but this news makes me, somehow, sad. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
It shows me, that BIS has no real idea, how OFP 2 will look like. If they put things like "destroy enviroment" in there, I think they even haven't startet with the new engine, because you need much code for that. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

And many of the scenarios are very "cheap" (I would say in german), looks like someone took a pencil and a piece of paper and wrote them down in 5 minutes, just these standart scenarios.

Don't understand me wrong BIS, you've done amazing work for OFP, but at the moment I'm really scared of OFP 2 going to be a flop.

In the end something productive:

I like this
<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">Experience all out war when the super powers of USA and China collide in an East meets West showdown. Set in potentially the biggest flashpoint in real world international politics, fight to protect the people of Taiwan and their right to democracy. Battle in the diverse environments of Taiwan and surrounding islands against aggressive invaders of the colossal Chinese army in cities, villages, farmland, and forests.[/QUOTE]
idea most http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[xela89]

that&#39;s not ofp, that is a big battlefield
old, modern, nearby & sci fi (I don&#39;t like the last one but others yes)
stay in ofp&#39;s spirit http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
are you sure config spec&#39; stay the same? 2ghz seems to be very light to simulate 1000 ai

[Drakkhen]

Looks great but... anything about OFP2? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif

[Baphomet]

Quote[/b] ]that&#39;s not ofp, that is a big battlefield


Are you forgetting? In relation to any other tactial FPS out there at the time compared to OFP...

Ofp was a "BIG BATTLEFIELD". Ghost Recon? That was rainbow six in the woods. Delta Force? It had nothing on OFP. Both small potatoes compared to OFP&#39;s overall simulation potential. There were always games that looked better than OFP for it&#39;s time. However that&#39;s not what made OFP special. You had a chance (finally) to experience combat on a much wider scale than every previously experienced. With the exception of a few precursors like Wargasm or Muzzle Velocity, that did some things right but the technology just wasn&#39;t there the way it was when OFP was finally released.

Yes you could make missions that were similarly limited as compared to Ghost Recon or Delta Force. That wasn&#39;t where OFP&#39;s strength was rooted. Doing a side by side comparison at the time. You&#39;d have OFP losing out because it&#39;s visuals weren&#39;t as strong. The developers simply had other priorities.

That&#39;s ofp&#39;s claim to fame. It&#39;s a broad scale combat simluator. This is simply taking it to the next level. The industry is stuck in a rut of making shitty squad based tactial shooters, and OFP was one of the few to break the mold. I think it&#39;s best to run with this and make it even better.


Quote[/b] ]2ghz seems to be very light to simulate 1000 ai


Face it buddy. Nobody here will get away with playing OFP2 on a current PC if it&#39;s in fact going to be a good game. If making OFP2 in your opinion means keeping the limitations of OFP 1 with nicer visuals... we already have that. It&#39;s called: "The user addon community inundating itself with strictly high detail addons".

That in my opinion is not what OFP was truly intended for. That is pretty much turning OFP into every other goddamned tactical FPS out there right now.

[SnypaUK]

Just to persuade you for the cold war NATO v Soviet Union mission. Imagine

A dark sunrise in 1985 and you are in high alert with your platoon. In a trench. All of a sudden a massive bombarment starts of your postion. you take cover. When the bombardment finished you get up and see a mushroom cloud far in the distance and you hear the radio chattering about invasions of east europe but your cut short by a company of mechanised infantry attacking your lightly held position. You see AT missiles streaking into BMPs as you try and hold the position. Eventually you get the retreat command and you engage a tactical fallback. The AI covers you as you move and you cover them all the way back to HQ where you hear about whats happened as you see jets streaking overhead...

Now wouldnt that make the perfect game? set it against the soviets at the peak of their time and you would have the greatest and ONLY true modern warfare game that would still have enough action and realism.

[Bordoy]

i would like to see it modern like not before 1990 and not after 2010..
Same here. I like firing and flying weapons i am familiar with. Not a tazer x-1000b module 2 with a 15000v battery.

[m21man]

Quote[/b] ]i would like to see it modern like not before 1990 and not after 2010..
I&#39;m fine with anything between 1980 and the present day.

[shinRaiden]

One of the other advantages that OFP has is that the story line and target models were based around the late cold war, something that nobody else really touched. Do we really want another WW2 or Nam game? It&#39;s one thing to make excellent mods after the fact for the interested community, it&#39;s a whole different issue to make a WW2 themed game because you want to ride the BF1942 wake.

Do we want a bastardized mutt of all the other games out there rolled into one? No, I don&#39;t think so. Would it be nice to have WW2 and Nam stuff? Sure it would, but if BIS focuses in on that they could run a great risk of vision sellout for me-too-ism.

There&#39;s plenty of material that hasn&#39;t been touched, like a Resistance-style campaign set in Budapest 1956, Afghanistan 1979-89, the Sub-Saharan African wars like what the Brushfires mod is doing, and so on.

While I like the idea of a "Red Storm Rising" theme (it would be cool if they did it as a two-sided dynamic coop&#39;able campaign), there&#39;s so much sci-fi writeups on it that it could get messy.

[Drakkhen]

It seemed to me the "normal" evolution of OFP would have been the modelisation of Central Europe, with accurate maps to simulate the "so feared" WWIII as it was "expected" to be in the 80&#39;s by some. The engine would have allowed managing battalions and supports, with a finer aircraft dynamics and some more specialised troops including NBC features.

There would be so much to do with that...

[ozanzac]

So long as the standard units are of the modern battlefield, I really couldn&#39;t care less where the campaign happens.

BIS could make an exact copy of the current campaigns for all I care.

It&#39;s the new engine capabilities that interest me most. If there&#39;s a nice, new (but believable) campaign, then in my eyes, it&#39;s just an added bonus to the marvel that the new engine will hopefully be. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

But on the subject of campaigns: I would REALLY enjoy a Korean campaign, (much like Falcon 4.0&#39;s brilliant campaign, only complete from all aspects, ground, sea and air), because of the mix of units that would be in theatre. All that the east has on offer vs. all that the west (via the U.N), has.

<span id='ME'><center>ozanzac drips with drool as he salivates over the possibilities a Korean campaign could entail.</center></span>

[uiox]

Codemaster asks what we prefer in this list.

So i imagine assembly with BIS and Codemaster:
You can do that? Yes
This? Yes
This too? Yes
Coffee? Sorry this we can&#39;t ***http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

So now imagine a scenario for a RTS-God-Sim-Fight-STU-MMP game.

Bon courage codemaster ***http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif ***http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[SpecOp9]

Seriously, I would&#39;nt give a crap about other time periods.

I would focus only on present day war. That way, there is more for the Developers to program into the game, giving mod makers a more in depth modding capability, and letting them create Vietnam and WW2 themed mods.
It&#39;s only what will work best.

An example would be Battlefield 1942.
There were no helicopters back then. So the developers never needed any codding for a helicopter.
While mod makers WERE able to create helicopters in the game, they did&#39;nt work and handle very well.

I think it&#39;s best to give us a modern day, or a future year 2010 themed game, with future technology being planned by the military AS WE SPEAK.

This gives modders more to work with.

[Capitaine Haddock]

While I like the idea of a "Red Storm Rising" theme (it would be cool if they did it as a two-sided dynamic coop&#39;able campaign),
Agreed. One thing I wish is a campaign playable from both sides, as flightsims have been doing for years (EEAH, EECH, IL2). And even better is all missions can be played in coop games.

In that context a China vs US conflict could also work very well. Perhaps not as balanced as a US vs CCCP war scenario, but a lot more adequate than US vs N.Korea.

[shinRaiden]

Clancy&#39;s got another fun one in "The Bear and the Dragon" where you have old Russian reserve divisions assisted by the US rolling back a modern Chinese incursion into Siberia. But the lack of a strong Yankee theming would not help sales in the US.

[Capitaine Haddock]

Same here. I like firing and flying weapons i am familiar with. Not a tazer x-1000b module 2 with a 15000v battery.
So true. A sci-fi theme would kill the game.

OFP is about using tactics and weapon systems as you expect in reality. Things are not 100% relalistic, but at least you know than an Apache will perform more or less as expected, and a AP round will do the job is meant to do. That&#39;s what helps balancing the game in a natural way.

Technology from the year 2100 would only open Pandora&#39;s box and kill the balance through an infinite succession of silly new weapons, counter-weapons, counter-counter-weapons, etc. Maybe good material for a pre-pubertal arcade console game, but nothing that fits OFP&#39;s ethos.

[Drakkhen]

Up to BIS to decide if they want to come to another Clancy/RedStorm redneck stuff or bring their initial idea to its climax. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[kavoven]

They should ask Clancy himself for an own OFP Story, that would be great http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Heatseeker]

bring their initial idea to its climax. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Thats what i think they should do, coming up with a whole new fictitional story based on the 80&#39;s cold war.
Then they could make a full expantion based on the Russian/Afghanistan war in the 80&#39;s too for diversification.
With the improved game engine, features and graphics i could see a great new game coming out of this.