which special force to use when?

[BoweryBaker]

delta force, navy seals, green berets, rangers, with so many special forces outfits out there, which do i know to use when? how do i come up with a delta force situation and know if they'd really be called to help this? How does America choose which special force will do the job?

[redliner47]

delta force is more of the Counter Terror, HRT type of unit. Rangers are mobile light infantry that can respond quickly. Green berets go into enemy territory and train local militias. Navy seals ar(or used to be) UDT, but from what I hear they arent anymore so I would imagine they would be HRT much like delta

[BoweryBaker]

what's UDT? and when you got Delta and Seals who goes where? Or even who goes first.

[Gollum1]

Specwarnet (http://www.specwarnet.com/)

That should answer all your questions and more.

edit: Redliner, Seal Team 6 is also counter-terror, if not more than Delta Force.

edit2: Sorry, actually *was* before they were integrated in that one naval warfare group...? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif S**t, now I've confused myself, ignore.

[Bobcatt666]

Seals are usually first in they secure the needed areas for most operations like insertion points and area of operation. Seals are often search and destroy , opposed to Delta who do a fair number of snatch and grab, of VIPs weather friendly or hostile. Delta is often lighter and faster opposed to Seals who travel in larger elements with a higher amount of support elements. Depends how messy or sneeaky you wish the mission to be carried out. delta infiltrate a lot more than Seals would. But post 911 SOP for al units have dratsticly been altered, due to the complex problems with dealing with hostile elements like the Taliban and Al Quata.

Then you can't forget the army SF, who slowly intergrated more with the CIA and NSA durring the early nineties with the war on drugs. Opposed to Rangers who still are mostly under military control. You aslo have Marine Recon and Army Recondo. The later was brough back by special forces units to enhance regular Army units that were in need of special operations personal at the unit level. Commonly Regular units sending personal to Ranger or Sf school never get their personal back due to the SF and Ranger units can have first choice of who graduates the course to keep their unit strengths up. They have the attitude why waste a god troop behind a desk they can retain for themselves.

[R0adki11]

dont forget special forces such as the SAS, Austrailian SAS, New Zeland SAS, GIGN, etc

[FerretFangs]

I think he meant US SPECOPS forces. There are also Grey Fox/ISA, Air Force Para-Rescue/Combat Control/Combat Weather, and the Marines new Unit, USMC Detachment One.
Google search on these for more info, and operational parameters.

[adrenaline red]

And the USMC's ANGLICO.

[Harnu]

what's UDT?
Underwater Demolitions Team.

[monty67t]

Quote[/b] ]Green berets go into enemy territory and train local militias

U.S. Army Special Forces or "Green Berets do a hell of a lot more than that. It's true that they do alot of training of foreign forces, but that just scratched the surface of what they do. They slaughtered thousands of Taliban and Al Quida forces in Afghanistan for example. They do direct action, hostage rescue, anti-terrorism, sabotage, intelligence gathering, etc. Most of the U.S. Special Operations units can handle pretty much any situation. Another site you can check out is SpecialOperations.Com (http://www.specialoperations.com).

[Bobcatt666]

Well its the AI do not use important skills that most of these special operation units use. Repelling they still boldly stop enemy bullets with their chests. Granted there was an AI script that changed thier behavoir. And the enhancements in the EPC and WGL mods. Where you'll mostlikely see close quaters combat support acchived.

[Sgt. Stryker]

ANGLICO isnt SF they are just pretty much arty spotters. Marine Recon and Force Recon are very differnt so dont get them confused. AFAIK AGLICO is jsut part of some leg unit. FAST comany is a marine embassy force, they also do other things.

[ruff]

i thinl most sf forces or so forces do much of the same things with each 1 specialising in some operations
like dleta trhey specialise in hostage rescue and snatch but that doesnt mean they dont dio recovery missions
while seals also are good at hostage rescue and snatch operations they mostlikely specialise in maritme insertions and seek and destroy
i reckon all sf almost all the same thing but spercialise in one thing or another

[BoweryBaker]

it may be top secret information to know what determines who goes in. It may be who's closest to the area of operation. It may just be that you have like five, seven or eight organizations that all do that sort of thing and you just kinda pick a card.

[monty67t]

You can call me picky if you want but I would like to take this opportunity to set something straight. There is onle ONE unit in the United States Armed Forces known as "Special Forces". I always see everyone using "Special Forces" as a term to cover all "Special Operations" units. The only "Special Forces" are the U.S. Army Special Forces aka the "Green Berets". I am in the U.S. Army and I am a dick so I just wanted to get that off my chest.
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif Man, I feel a lot better now.

Monty

[redliner47]

not necessarily, you can refer to any special operations unit as Special Forces, because that is what they are. Even people currently serving call them special forces. If you mean the actual "Special Forces" than you would say the berets

[ruff]

true
seals are under special operations
while green berets are sf
thats why i used so and sf on my post
just had to type that
sorry

[monty67t]

Quote[/b] ]not necessarily, you can refer to any special operations unit as Special Forces, because that is what they are. Even people currently serving call them special forces. If you mean the actual "Special Forces" than you would say the berets


Negative sir. If you ask any actual U.S. Army Special Forces soldier, they will tell you. People have just made "Special Forces" a common term when it really only applies to the "Green Berets". For more on this read "Special Forces: A Guided Tour of U.S. Army Special Forces" by Tom Clancy or "Hunt for Bin Laden: Task Force Dagger" by Robin Moore.

Monty

EDIT: BTW I am currently serving. U.S. Army, Delta Co. 4/101st Aviation Regiment, Fort Campbell, Kentucky

[Jinef]

Monty is right.

Special Forces in the US covers over 46,000 men. Now i'm sure they're special in their own little ways but quite honestly that's ridiculous to call them all special.

For Example the British SAS and SBS units are made up of around 300 active personnel each, so the British special forces are around 600 in force. Give or take a hundred.

A US ranger is basically like a British para, a brainwashed idiot who is very good at getting aggressive and killing people, the only difference is that the paras get given some DPMs and a gun that doesn't work.

Navy Seals are equivalent to SBS, they are special forces imo. Fighting from a marine environment requires a certain character and physical ability, plus a lot of training.

US Marines Recon units are kind of the like the Royal Marine Commandos. Again with shitloads more kit and personnel though.

The Green Berets and Delta force ... Well they both do the same sort of things, it's just one was home made and the other as trained has trained a lot with the SAS, considering my uncle was a cook in the green berets it sounds more like a way of getting funding, call yourselves special and people will like you and give you money.

I am now the special South Wales SAR unit, can you give me 8 HH-60s, 2 EH-101s and about 10 Nimrods.

[@cero]

I am now the special South Wales SAR unit, can you give me 8 HH-60s, 2 EH-101s and about 10 Nimrods.
LOL, have HQ in Newport.
Anyway, what do they "call" the STA marines, as far as I know they are in a class of their own compared to other marines, more like a Force recon, is it? or they just glorified marine snipers?
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[FerretFangs]

Jinef, Delta, and the Green Berets are not the same thing, mate. Many members of Delta are ex-Green Berets, though. It is true they were based on the SAS. Delta is one of the most high end CQB, HRT, and direct action units in the entire world, not just the US military. Other units that mostly do the same thing would be the US Navy&#39;s DEVGRU, and the new USMC Detachment One. The Green Berets do many things, and do them well, but they are more like a SPECOPS jack of all trades. Teams like SFOD-D, and DEVGRU are specialists, selected from units like the Green Berets, and SEALs and focused to doing the hardest of missions, like hostage rescue, anti-terrorism direct actions, and VIP protection. They are literally the best of the best that the US military has to offer.

Now, what&#39;s even more interesting, is that the best men of Delta, and DEVGRU go on to serve in even more highly secret units, like the CIA&#39;s SAD, and other agencies such as DIA, and NSA. And the best men from these units..... Do whatever they want. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[ni-mh]

a bit off-topic but after using both Laser&#39;s and BAS&#39;s rangers and deltas, I noticed some significant differences between the two. So the question is, which ones are more accurate in representing the present deltas and rangers?

[@cero]

Well, they are two different tipes of delta uniforms, the ones made by Laser look more like a more modern CQB Delta.
I&#39;m not an expert, but that&#39;s what it looks like.
Is some more Deltas around, they difere on the era they from, so that my be the case aswell.
Regards.
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[ruff]

Quote[/b] ]not necessarily, you can refer to any special operations unit as Special Forces, because that is what they are. Even people currently serving call them special forces. If you mean the actual "Special Forces" than you would say the berets


Negative sir. If you ask any actual U.S. Army Special Forces soldier, they will tell you. People have just made "Special Forces" a common term when it really only applies to the "Green Berets". For more on this read "Special Forces: A Guided Tour of U.S. Army Special Forces" by Tom Clancy or "Hunt for Bin Laden: Task Force Dagger" by Robin Moore.

Monty

EDIT: BTW I am currently serving. U.S. Army, Delta Co. 4/101st Aviation Regiment, Fort Campbell, Kentucky
read the book about sf by tom clancy
but it really makes u wonder if sf do anymore direct action missions using a six man team instead of a nice airstrike

[FerretFangs]

Of course they do, as long as it&#39;s not too dangerous for the team. It&#39;s much cheaper to destroy a bridge with a satchel charge than with a JDAM, and enemy air defense might be too great a threat to attempt an airstrike.  

Now if that bridge is protected by a motorized rifle company, and enemy air defenses consist of short-range, or light AA, that SPECOPS team might use a SOFLAM to designate the bridge and air defense units and let the Air Force and Navy CAS blow it to Hell and gone.  

What&#39;s most important, is to accomplish mission objectives and still bring your boys home to do it all again another day.

[RMATICH]

Great posts by all epeaclially our Delta person&#33; Hats off to you sir&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/unclesam.gif I like the fact that we have one in our OFP comunity. Question for him is this: How do the Operation Flashpoint addon Deltas and rangers Spetznas etc do as far as relistic weapons and uniforms not to mention the squad make ups? I&#39;d love to here what he has to say. Also can someone clarify anything on Force Recon? Whats do they do? I&#39;m still not sure. I know they have practised urban warfare. TIA.

[FerretFangs]

If there was a member of Delta here, he wouldn&#39;t/couldn&#39;t say he was. I think you are referring to Monty67t? That&#39;s Delta Company, of the 4/101st Aviation Regiment. Not SFOD-Delta. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif Great guys I&#39;m sure, but world-class, premier CQB specialists? Probably not. At least not many.

[BoweryBaker]

As far as who&#39;s deltas are more accurate between bas and laser ill tell you. In lasers deltas the only accurate part is the nomex delta. When it comes to camouflage deltas, the bas one is more accurate, because the top shirt doesn&#39;t get tucked in. Yeah you can but they don&#39;t. Not in Nam. Not in the Gulf. Not in afghanistan. So both deltas have their accuracies but the laser delta that is camo is not that accurate unless you wanted to say its a camo nomex flight suit.

[Madus_Maximus]

As far as who&#39;s deltas are more accurate between bas and laser ill tell you.  In lasers deltas the only accurate part is the nomex delta.  When it comes to camouflage deltas, the bas one is more accurate, because the top shirt doesn&#39;t get tucked in.  Yeah you can but they don&#39;t.  Not in Nam.  Not in the Gulf.  Not in afghanistan.  So both deltas have their accuracies but the laser delta that is camo is not that accurate unless you wanted to say its a camo nomex flight suit.
Let&#39;s not forget Laser&#39;s are still beta, and he&#39;s also very busy with new ORCS stuff and the RHS Motorized Infantry and so on.

[Just an OFP Freak]

Ok, Ok, so many Spec Ops talk is making me confusing. Let&#39;s focus in game. All the special forces that have been released for OFP (including BAS d/r, Lsr Units,...), are they really any different e.g. more capable than other generic BIS Infantry, I mean are they improved by scripts or better AI or anything, or is it just visual so the player is somewhat just "variety of choice". Cos if they are not improved, heck, than whats teh point.

Don&#39;t get this post wrong I am not saying I don&#39;t like these addons or these addons suck, cos they are top notch. I just wan&#39;t to know if they are any different(improved) from default infantry in OFP.

[FerretFangs]

Well, BAS&#39;s Deltas are self-healing, and I believe, better armored. ANd they are equipped with some great weapons, as well. Much more firepower, and flexible per squad than BIS.

[redliner47]

Quote[/b] ]Not in Nam. Not in the Gulf. Not in afghanistan. So both deltas have their accuracies but the laser delta that is camo is not that accurate unless you wanted to say its a camo nomex flight suit[QUOTE]


Delta was formed in 1977, they werent in Nam http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

there goes me nitpicking

[BoweryBaker]

Well, there is a reason to get the BAS soldiers or the LSR ones. They both have the removable goggles that play a key role in getting out of a chopper and not coughing your face off from the dust. Kind of a reminder of what a real operative must do, makes the game more realistic too. The BAS deltas, im not sure about the LSR ones, can heal each other. The BAS weapons have more capabilities such as a shotgun mixed with a rifle, a longer range grenade launcher on the m4, and in the latest version of the bas spec ops the guns have more bang to them which doesn&#39;t make any difference to the ai but helps you feel like your kicking more butt than with a gun thats like spew spew all quiet n stuff. I feel like im kicking more butt when my gun is loud and bangy. I feel like , man this gun I can really rock with. Just like i was talking to a former marine the other day who said he was pissed when they switched to the m16a2 from the a1 because he likes to rock n roll. When he served the SAW first came out. I&#39;ll explain what that is later. I like to rock n roll too. If you&#39;re going to shoot someone you might as well be a badass doing it. Another thing that seperates the bis units from these is that the BAS spec ops comes with an m249 para and m249 that let you also hold a rocket launcher. Some say thats not real, some say it is. I&#39;m one of the guys who says it is real. I know its possible, but its not like you can hop a wall with that gear on you, its not even that you&#39;d be assigned that gear in real combat, but it IS possible which was the point of BAS doing that. Also BAS has a silenced m249 which NOONE else has done before. Like its been said before the BAS units can take more punishment and thats about it. If Laser and BAS were to team up to make some units they&#39;d look much better than they do now. With BAS scripting and LSR good looking units ( especially way better looking kneepads) we could see a very good Delta. I don&#39;t like using the LSR rangers because I think they lag, think, its going to take some testing. I only say that because of a situation i was in with them and i was lagging on desert island with them and the green beret units and one of them was causing me lag, it wasn&#39;t player count or ai count. Another reason i don&#39;t use the LSR rangers is because i prefer the bas weapons, i even prefer the bas weapons over suchey and earl because suchey and earl didn&#39;t make an m4 mk, they didn&#39;t let you have a SAW and a launcher at the same time also. This is why I think BAS weapons are the best no matter of public opinion in this community. I stand by my opinion firmly. I also want to say that I&#39;m a little upset that BAS is working with suchey and earl on the weapons for their next package because what are they going to do for an mk or the silenced m249? Will they not have them anymore? Will the teams argue over whether or not the m249 should only take up one weapon slot and suchey and earl win to make the m249 go back to taking up two spots? These things I think about and worry because lately the latest bas spec ops release has some of the coolest weapon ideas and id hate to see that all ruined. m4 mk, silenced m249, m249 that only takes up one spot, ill miss you all.

[monty67t]

Holy Cow&#33; Where do I start. First of all, none of you have any idea which D-Boys are more accurate (BAS or Laser), because no one here knows what kind of gear they are wearing these days. Everyone has their opinions and guesses, but when it comes down to it, no one knows except them. My guess would be that they wear whatever the hell they want. More than likely some sort of clothing to make them fit in. They definately don&#39;t run around in helmets and nomex all the time. I&#39;m sure they wear something like the helmets and nomex on certain occasions, but not on a regular basis. Special operations units want to blend in, not stick out.

As for who operates under what conditions, again, all we can do is guess. The comment about using a satchel to blow a bridge because it&#39;s cheaper is outrageous. If you haven&#39;t noticed, the U.S. doesn&#39;t care too much about a budget. I have seen a video of an AC-130 gunship shooting several 105 howitzer rounds at one guy in Afghanistan.

My final advice for you would be use whatever you want to use. Pretty much all special operations units are trained to handle anything. The U.S. Army Special Forces has scuba teams, the Marines do aswell, the Navy is known for it, etc.

I leave you with a 2 pictures that I love of U.S. Army Special Forces soldiers. These pictures might better explain what I was talking about when I said they want to blend.

PICTURE 1 (http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v238/monty67t/SOC%20Misc/ragheadkiller01.jpg)
PICTURE 2 (http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v238/monty67t/SOC%20Misc/SF_Cowboy2.jpg)

Monty

[FerretFangs]

Monty, you may disagree with what I said, but "outrageous" is a little over the top, dude.

An Alpha team packing satchel charges is much cheaper than a pair of F-15E&#39;s loaded out with AGM-130s, if air defense consists of 23mm and 30mm out the wazoo, and SA-11/10/15&#39;s. Would you send in an airstrike into a wall of steel risking the aircrews, and those sent in to get them back?  

Or would you send those guys watching from the weeds to take out that bridge? Now, if those guys are facing heavy iron around that bridge, the situation is changed. Depends on the importance of the target, right? TLAM it maybe.

I was just saying, a wise commander, will try to utilize the assets at his disposal in the best possible way, rather than just throwing away multi-million dollar platforms, weapons and highly trained men to a job that a pair of satchel charges could.  

And I&#39;m aware of the AC-130 reference. But thats what that plane does. ( My brother is crew chief on USAF SOCOM &#39;130s, BTW. ) Would it be the same call if there had been Tunguskas guarding the cave complex? Probably not.

Hopefully not&#33;

[monty67t]

Can you name me a conflict in the past 20 years were the U.S. has faced air defenses like that? Are you talking about an in game situation here? I sure hope so.

What would I do if that unrealistic situation happened? I would send in an A-Team to laser designate the target and fly a B-2 Spirit over head with a laser guided bomb. Or better yet, have the team get grid cooridinates and send a B-2 with a satellite guided bomb.

I will no longer comment on this topic. You can argue this forever, it&#39;s pointless.

http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/bb2_p_04_l.jpg

Monty

[ruff]

[QUOTE=Quote ]Not in Nam.  Not in the Gulf.  Not in afghanistan.  So both deltas have their accuracies but the laser delta that is camo is not that accurate unless you wanted to say its a camo nomex flight suit



Delta was formed in 1977, they werent in Nam  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

there goes me nitpicking
well most of the COs and non COs of delta in the early days was part of the experimental unit charlie formed in nam, i think it was called delta also it had a recruiting slogan for sf in nam
"guarantees you a medal, a body bag or both"

[Drill Sergeant]

Theres another thing about delta. In a very aged book in libary. (70&#39;s-80&#39;s.) It had pictures of various military units and
there insignia&#39;s. One thing I came across was a unit called.
"Agressors" There arm patch was a yellow triangle on a green circle. Only thing the book said about them was: They were
a highly secret unit and were trained to replicate the russian
combat tactics. So is it possible this book showed a picture of
one of the "First" delta units? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif Or are the agressors some one else? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

BTW are then any US navy SWCC men in OFP?

[FerretFangs]

The Agressor squadron is an Air Force organization that trains US fighter jocks in dissimilar ACM skills. "Dogfighting" with "enemy" pilots.

[Drill Sergeant]

Odd this guy was on the ground with a M60.
Wearing tiger stripe and had a flopy hat. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
Didn&#39;t know they ishued m60&#39;s as side arms. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif
J/K http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif

[FerretFangs]

Really? Heh, That is funny&#33; No, I meant something along these lines: http://www.f4aviation.co.uk/Oldstuff/2004/aggressors/aggress.htm

[Drill Sergeant]

Weird this was a ground forces book only. They were called agressors. I&#39;ll have to get the book again. Was a US Special forces group. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/ghostface.gif

[tinitoon]

I leave you with a 2 pictures that I love of U.S. Army Special Forces soldiers. These pictures might better explain what I was talking about when I said they want to blend.

PICTURE 1 (http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v238/monty67t/SOC%20Misc/ragheadkiller01.jpg)
PICTURE 2 (http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v238/monty67t/SOC%20Misc/SF_Cowboy2.jpg)

Monty
Interesting pictures but one thing disturbs me: this guy is not wearing any kind of flags or symbols nor is he wearing a proper uniform which could help letting him being identified as an US soldier. He is carrying a weapon though so he is a combatant. This is against the Geneva Convention which means this soldier is a guerilla unit and a war criminal.
I don&#39;t think this is a good example of a SF unit.

[monty67t]

Quote[/b] ]Interesting pictures but one thing disturbs me: this guy is not wearing any kind of flags or symbols nor is he wearing a proper uniform which could help letting him being identified as an US soldier. He is carrying a weapon though so he is a combatant. This is against the Geneva Convention which means this soldier is a guerilla unit and a war criminal.
I don&#39;t think this is a good example of a SF unit.

You are wrong, do some research.

[tinitoon]

Well, it&#39;s easy to say "you are wrong".
The Geneva Convention says one has to wear a distinctive, fixed sign that can be seen at a distance.
When I see a bunch of bikers carrying weapons, one with a baseball hat and a blue tanktop, one with a khaki vest how could I know these guys are US soldiers and not guerillas?

[EMAN]

arrrmm, they are at war not in a parade. personally I could care less about the Geneva Convention if I were over there.Put yourself in their shoes http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

[monty67t]

Quote[/b] ]how could I know these guys are US soldiers and not guerillas?

That&#39;s the point genius&#33; It&#39;s called unconventional warfare. They grew long beards to fit in. I guess if you were there you would run around with a big flag on your chest. These forums sure are entertaining, lol.

Monty

P.S. Do more research&#33;

[tinitoon]

Yep, this definitely fits all stereotypes one can have about US troops. They don&#39;t care about the geneva convention but when they get caught they want to be treated like POWs (which they obviously do not deserve as guerilla units are not protected by the geneva convention).
In World War I unconventional warfare was attacking the enemy with an aircraft.
Today special forces dress like bikers to better "fit in".
If this really is the US army special forces&#39; way of warfare at the moment it is an unacceptable violation of the geneva convention which I definitely can&#39;t support and which will give the critics of US foreign policy what they wanted.

[monty67t]

They have been doing this for years. This is nothing new. As for your comments about U.S. soldiers, you fit the stereotype of everyone who thinks they know about the military but doesn&#39;t have any idea what they are talking about. I am a U.S. soldier serving right now and I would love to meet you. To see what kind of "man" you are. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I will no longer give you the honor of debating anything with me.

Monty
PROUD TO BE A U.S. SOLDIER

P.S. Do more research&#33;

[STGN]

Well nobody Know what Delta looks like but I would say that BAS&#39;s are closer to what you could expect today mainly do too the Kevlars cause If you look at meany pictures SF dosent use the cool Protecs that much eny more but I sure hope I am rong. Lasers makes me think of somthing from the start of the 90ties like BHD. Also I persaonaly think BAS ones looks better than lasers.
STGN

[monty67t]

This thread started as a discussion over which special operations units to use in certain occasions. It has turned into crap. I suggest we get back on topic.

Monty

[Hellfish6]

Next comment about the conduct of the US Armed Forces will be punished. This means you, Tinitoon - this isn&#39;t a political debate.

[bmgarcangel]

Quote[/b] ]Green berets go into enemy territory and train local militias

U.S. Army Special Forces or "Green Berets do a hell of a lot more than that. It&#39;s true that they do alot of training of foreign forces, but that just scratched the surface of what they do. They slaughtered thousands of Taliban and Al Quida forces in Afghanistan for example. They do direct action, hostage rescue, anti-terrorism, sabotage, intelligence gathering, etc. Most of the U.S. Special Operations units can handle pretty much any situation. Another site you can check out is SpecialOperations.Com (http://www.specialoperations.com).
Thats true. My grandpa was a green beret colonel in Vietnam for two tours and saw a hell of alot of action with his own guys. Of course he trained some, but he fought with his troops and went on patrols too.

~Bmg

[bmgarcangel]

Yep, this definitely fits all stereotypes one can have about US troops. They don&#39;t care about the geneva convention but when they get caught they want to be treated like POWs (which they obviously do not deserve as guerilla units are not protected by the geneva convention).
In World War I unconventional warfare was attacking the enemy with an aircraft.
Today special forces dress like bikers to better "fit in".
If this really is the US army special forces&#39; way of warfare at the moment it is an unacceptable violation of the geneva convention which I definitely can&#39;t support and which will give the critics of US foreign policy what they wanted.
Oh ya and.......F*** you for that comment&#33;............oh ya, Search and rescue guys......lol, SAR...make a sar mission, go into enemy terroritory to rescue some pilot&#33;

[Placebo]

Oh ya and.......F*** you for that comment&#33;
As someone who is on a warning level of 3 and has recently received amnesty do you really think it is wise to flame someone? No matter how much the provocation it&#39;s no excuse, this forum is for mature gamers, as such we must learn to control our tempers http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Do not do it again please, on this occasion I will overlook your comment but don&#39;t expect a second, second chance.

[Placebo]

As an alternative to closing the thread I deleted all posts after the moderator warnings.

Two options:

1. Try again to discuss the theme of the thread in context with Addons & Mods only not politics.

2. Continue in a political debate and the thread will be closed permanently.

[@cero]

http://gallery.cybertarp.com/albums/userpics/23301/sig.jpg
This is Hooaman&#39;s signature, and the guy there, I take its a Delta by comparing him to Laser&#39;s Deltas. If the Delta in Hooaman is a delta, then Laser got it right, yeah or yeah? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
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[monty67t]

That&#39;s just some dude dressed up pretty for a picture. Like I said before, no one knows what they are wearing these days.

Monty