Vbs1 release

[robbo]

From OpFlash.org (http://www.opflashpoint.org)

....VBS1 the Tactical Trainer used by military and law enforcement agencies around the world has been released for public use at the new

The total package price is over $US500 but if you don't want particular addon packs this can be reduced.

Some of the addon packs include Special forces, USMC, Terrain 1 and 2, OPFOR, ADF, and Animal, along with After Action Report and Observer Module 1.VBS1 website (http://http://virtualbattlespace.com/)

VBS1 Homepage (http://virtualbattlespace.com/)

[KEVBAZ]

80 frikin quid for a "game" then Ł30 a piece for the "addons" waaaaaay over priced when you see what the community are doing for free, and you just know ofp2 is gonna be a cut down version of this

[waffendennis]

Yep its sweet as heaven...

I think it uses the OFP 1.5 engine cause:

Aircraft carriers ( working )
C130J With double working Guns and KC-130
Fast rope
Animals

http://virtualbattlespace.com/store....ce2e070 (http://virtualbattlespace.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=34&osCsid=1e2a81bc75c7df6b801bd7b4ace2e070)

I baught it its awesome http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

See movie here:
http://files.ogn.com.au/ftp2/vbs1/VBS1_trailer.mpeg

btw:
I think they stole all our ideas and if i am not wrong: I can see BAS Bikes BAS MH60 and BAS little birds there....
And more... But nothing we can do against that cause we agreed on the statement from bis

[void_false]

hahaha some moders told us that it never will be availavle to public! it said it TADAY!!!! mvuhahaahahaa! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/ghostface.gif

EDIT:

After watching movie + looing at screen shots it is looking for me as our lovely OFP with few new anims. There were BAS rangers + blackhawks+littlebirds and standard easters units. And CoC's Tamahawk  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Oh My GOD... Just look at this... i have heart strike


Quote[/b] ]
Key features:
The ability to import your own customized units for specific training.
Wide range of tools available to create new models, worlds and scenarios.
Fully customizable avatars, vehicles and aircraft.
Application of doctrinal templates.
Development of geo-specific maps.
Supports large mapping areas.
High resolution photo realistic textures.
Dynamic daytime and weather effects.
Life-like smoke effects.
Advanced Level Of Detail (LOD) system renders far away objects in increasing detail as you approach them.
Advanced real-time simulation of wind, rain, fog, clouds, time-of-day, sunrise/sunset, tides, stars and moon.
Night navigation is possible with the real-time star mapping feature.
3D Engine supports large number of high-resolution photo-realistic textures through advanced texture management techniques for highly-detailed environments.
Realistic unit and noncombatant character movement modeled using a new human motion-capture System.
Inbuilt Unit voice communications using the new DirectX™ 9.0+ Direct Voice feature set.
Support for dedicated LAN servers.
Commandeer and drive over 30 vehicles including cars, tanks, helicopters, aircraft and boats.
Create mixed squads of human and advanced AI-controlled players in any combination.
Command up to 11 other soldiers in a squad.
Dynamic mission templates allowing users to drag around mission elements such as opposing forces and objectives to any location on the map.
Wide variety of environments: operate in desert, snow and subtropical environments based on true satellite imaging.

[Rastavovich]

I think they stole all our ideas and if i am not wrong: I can see BAS Bikes BAS MH60 and BAS little birds there....
And more... But nothing we can do against that cause we agreed on the statement from bis
I don't think they "stole" the idea, since those modules were designed for US Specialforces and Marines and beat me, but I doubt they would use the program if it didnt have the actual units used by them in it.

That the choice of models used there shows many similarities with the selection of BAS addons just shows that both teams were working accurately on the same topic (US Special Forces).

[waffendennis]

Lol this is verry weird cause:
Yesterday and the week there fore i was thinking on stoping with OFP and going on with my life cause ofp didnt gave me the feeling any more i had with it....

And now VBS1 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif ( ofp 1.5 )

[void_false]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">Yesterday and the week there fore i was thinking on stoping with OFP and going on with my life cause ofp didnt gave me the feeling any more i had with it....
[/QUOTE]

ban him&#33;&#33;&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/mad_o.gif

lol, j&#92;king http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Antichrist]

Too damn expensive for OFP gamers&#33; They definitely need to lower their prices&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif

freakin avensome

[Gameer]

Wow http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif

Is the AI noticeably improved? Also did you say something about 2 gun positions waffen? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif

[mort]

From OpFlash.org (http://www.opflashpoint.org)

....VBS1 the Tactical Trainer used by military and law enforcement agencies around the world has been released for public use at the new  

The total package price is over &#036;US500 but if you don&#39;t want particular addon packs this can be reduced.

Some of the addon packs include Special forces, USMC, Terrain 1 and 2, OPFOR, ADF, and Animal, along with After Action Report and Observer Module 1.VBS1 website (http://http://virtualbattlespace.com/)

VBS1 Homepage (http://virtualbattlespace.com/)
Looks like my company is going to make an unscheduled software purchase :-)

At least if I do it that way the missus won&#39;t find out&#33;&#33;&#33;
:-)

[Lee_H._Oswald]

The video and some of the "special details" like animals and other, are simply AMAZING&#33;

I believe, OFP2 will be amazing too&#33;

MfG Lee http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Maruk]

Some important notes you should understand concerning VBS1:

- VBS1 is a low cost simulation system based on Operation Flashpoint engine. So far, it was succesfuly adopted by various US military organization and we extend its usage to other users worldwide. One of the important new customers for VBS1 is now Australian Defence Forces.

- VBS1 is not a game and it has not intention to replace Operation Flashpoint for home entertainment.

- VBS1 uses modified Operation Flashpoint 1 engine.

- using our new online store, it will be now very easy to start using or evaluting VBS1 by various military and other customers around the world which will help VBS1 to be more recognized in the simulation industry

- in North America, VBS1 is still exclusively distributed and supported by our partner Coalescent Technologies.

We&#39;re going to release more detailed information about VBS1 new release later today at www.bistudio.com

[void_false]

Quote[/b] ]- VBS1 is not a game and it has not intention to replace Operation Flashpoint for home entertainment.

c&#39;mon... it is game for big buddies eh? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif

[PAPABEAR_1985]

I played many games but all of them become boring after while. But flashpoint R and cold war crisis are the only games you can play them all time and you don’t feel is the game boring. I never thought that bbs1 uses ofp simulation system:p.
Ofp2 will be great then. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif

[Lee_H._Oswald]

- ...has not intention to replace Operation Flashpoint for home entertainment.

- VBS1 uses modified Operation Flashpoint 1 engine.
But some "removed engine limitations" and features like animals would be very nice to see in OFP1. (Also the updated Engine)

I would pay for such an update for OFP1.

MfG Lee

[NZXSHADOWS]

Oh man,This is sweet.

[waffendennis]

Oh man,This is sweet.
Well NZX it finally looks like you get your wanted Hueys http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif

[Bonko the Sane]

Holy shite&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
after seeing that ingame movie im speechless...
So many engine limitations removed&#33;
and...the Boxing Kangaroo Mod will also become a reality&#33;  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

*and now excuse me while i go off to rob a bank*


Quote[/b] ]I would pay for such an update for OFP1.
same here

[Baron Hurlothrumbo IIX]

I would pay for such an update for OFP1.

MfG Lee
Same here. In fact I am seriously considering buying VBS1 - only twice the cost of a conventional game.
PS the sub title says 550&#036; - on the link it says 140&#036; for just the VBS minus addons

[void_false]

i cant efford it ATM. i&#39;d better wait month or 2 till it gets cheaper http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/blues.gif

[major gandhi]

If it&#39;s really true that they removed such engine limitations as, this one-gun-only-issue and added better anims, better AI, animals, ertc. than vbs1 is a real revolution for ofp1. But the price is simply totally exaggerated. A price of 100&#036; would be appropiate, and such a price could possibly trigger of a new wave on interest for ofp. But 550&#036;, NO WAY&#33;&#33;&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

[vektorboson]

I don&#39;t think that it will get cheaper, as it&#39;s a simulation not a game.

And I don&#39;t think it makes big sense to buy VBS1 for us, since you most probably are not able to make custom addons for it. I don&#39;t know really anything about it, but it would make sense not being able to modify it in a way like we can with OFP1.

I really hope, that BIS removes the engine limitations from OFP 1, I&#39;ll pay for it, too, rather than waiting 2-x years for OFP 2.

Btw. nice fighter pilot...

[desantnik]

whew&#33; http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif ... well I was going to join the marines but now.....

[m21man]

I am going to spend a lot of money on comp games this summer http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif .

Also, I hope everyone noted the system specs:

Quote[/b] ]Hardware Requirements

Recommended System

* Windows 95, 98, ME, 2000, or XP
* DirectX 8
* 1.7 GHz Pentium 4 (or better)
* 512 MB RAM
* NVidia GeForce 4 video card with 64 MB Ram
* 16-Bit Direct Sound Compliant Sound Card
* 24x CD-ROM Drive
* 700 MB Hard Drive space
   


Minimum System

* Windows 95, 98, ME, 2000, or XP
* DirectX 8
* 1.0 GHz Pentium III
* 256 MB RAM
* NVidia GeForce 2 video card with 32 MB RAM
* 16-Bit Direct Sound Compliant Sound Card
* 8x CD-ROM Drive
* 700 MB Hard Drive space

[the_shadow]

if you take a look at "terrainpack 1" you´ll se that Everon, Malden, Kolgujev and Nogova are there http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
but they look MUCH more realistic http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

hell, i want this as a upgrade beyond OFP:R

[m21man]

The Coalescent website still says that it&#39;s only available for Government purposes http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif .

[zyklone]

It&#39;s good to see this.

I&#39;m a bit curious what motivates it though....
Need for money? Trouble with Codemasters?

Or perhaps they think it&#39;ll lead to large sales to other .mil around the world...

[C4P741N]

The Coalescent website still says that it&#39;s only available for Government purposes http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif .
That&#39;s the Coalescent website, which deals with sales within the United States and Canada. Bohemia Interactive Australia will however ship it anywhere other than there. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[jankyballs]

The day has finnaly come http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[MASTAKILLA]

I would pay for such an update for OFP1.
same here  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[Balschoiw]

Standard VBS 1 without additional disks would be 117 Euro.
Hmm...I´m tempted http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[astatine]

For anyone who has this, do the orignal OFP addons work with it?

[SpeedyDonkey]

130 to 500 bucks for a game? - In my pants&#33; If I want to move inside a vehicle or see live animals that badly I might as well do it in real life. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif

I’ll wait until we have a product intended for regular customers.

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[txalin]

me to.... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif:D:D:D, but, what about internet multiplayer game, can we will play on inet with this??, and what about single game, this game has campaigns, single mission or what??

Maruk, plz, answer us http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Status_cz]

Hehe...so much money for some upgrades and ADDONS?I think we have addons for free :]

[Balschoiw]

Quote[/b] ]and what about single game, this game has campaigns, single mission or what??


Maybe you just want to read what they posted on the webpage ? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
Too lazy ?

[m21man]

Quote[/b] ]Bohemia Interactive Australia will  however ship it anywhere other than there.
Then I&#39;ll have to ask a European if he can ship me a copy if I send him the money http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif .

[JAP]

130 to 500 bucks for a game? - In my pants&#33; If I want to move inside a vehicle or see live animals that badly I might as well do it in real life. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif

I’ll wait until we have a product intended for regular customers.

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Well,

If you divide the cost of VBS and the time you ll be playing with it ... ( it s been 2 years + for OFP for me now) you ll be amazed how cheap it is a day ;-)

I m gonna buy it &#33; .... if i can use existing addon with it &#33;

Can i http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif?

Currently VBS1 ( what units are in there btw ? ) + USMC pack.

Lateron Animal pack, terrain 2 pack.

I cant seem to find in what pack the Spectre is ... anyone ?

Good news good news http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Cheers

[Indy]

I don&#39;t think that it will get cheaper, as it&#39;s a simulation not a game.

And I don&#39;t think it makes big sense to buy VBS1 for us, since you most probably are not able to make custom addons for it. I don&#39;t know really anything about it, but it would make sense not being able to modify it in a way like we can with OFP1.

I really hope, that BIS removes the engine limitations from OFP 1, I&#39;ll pay for it, too, rather than waiting 2-x years for OFP 2.

Btw. nice fighter pilot...
The ability to import your own customized units for specific training

Wide range of tools available to create new models, worlds and scenarios

read it here http://virtualbattlespace.com/

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[SpongeBob]

Quote[/b] ]This add-on pack adds a whole new dimension to 3D simulation and training. Having real world animals in scenarios creates the feeling of an even more synthetic combat environment. Watch the animals feed and move about in freedom, plus react to every possible situation especially in combat situations.

Animals:

Camels
Kangaroos
Goats
Dog
Fox
Rabbit
Snake


50 bucks for the animal pack&#33; Oh i&#39;m so getting this.

And check this out:


Quote[/b] ]The observer module allows observers to keep track of all playable units in a VBS1™ session. You are able to not only toggle between viewing any of these units, but also between various different camera modes (such as a chase camera, a camera from the first-person perspective and more). Next to this an observer can display a variety of statistics for individual users and for the whole session.

Is "seagull" mode included in this? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Lt_Damage]

For exclusive screenshots, reviews and much more, stay tuned to OGN at http://www.ogn.com.au and the OGN VBS1 forums. (http://forums.ogn.com.au/forumdisplay.php?f=418)

http://wolf.ogn.com.au/vbs1/staytunedtoogn.jpg

[JAP]

Cool

I was just thinking watching back the trailer, that the bald specops dude looked incredible ... and lookie here lol

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Balschoiw]

Quote[/b] ]And check this out:

Quote
The observer module allows observers to keep track of all playable units in a VBS1™ session. You are able to not only toggle between viewing any of these units, but also between various different camera modes (such as a chase camera, a camera from the first-person perspective and more). Next to this an observer can display a variety of statistics for individual users and for the whole session.


Is "seagull" mode included in this?
I bet it´s Kegetys spectating mode. Is he staff member now ?

I like the animals, their ai sounds pretty interesting.
Who want to be run over by a frantic camel ? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
http://www.virtualbattlespace.com/shop/animal_1.jpg

Imagine you lying in cover for sniping and a fox comes around and searches for his food http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[SpeedyDonkey]

On the other hand.. the animals do look very temping.

http://www.virtualbattlespace.com/shop/animal_1.jpg

+ Kangaroos, Goats, dogs and snakes.

*drool*

/bals was faster http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/blues.gif

[Indy]

i will be interested to know what is included in the VBS1 pack without addons, in the video there are only units included in the addons pack... Maybe if you buy only VBS1 you have only the "engine"?

[swtx]

Well it looks like Half Life 2 may take a back seat to this. At least in the OFP community anyway.

Man I&#39;m tempted to break out the plastic (Visa) for this one.

On another note...As a dedicated hard core OFP enthusiast it would not do this simulator justice to see it warezed on Torrent or Kazza.

[4-Eyes]

Holy crap&#33; I&#39;m buying, as soon as I raise enough cash. A bit pricey though. But no matter.

[Hockey112]

Some important notes you should understand concerning VBS1:

- VBS1 is a low cost simulation system based on Operation Flashpoint engine. So far, it was succesfuly adopted by various US military organization and we extend its usage to other users worldwide. One of the important new customers for VBS1 is now Australian Defence Forces.

- VBS1 is not a game and it has not intention to replace Operation Flashpoint for home entertainment.

- VBS1 uses modified Operation Flashpoint 1 engine.

- using our new online store, it will be now very easy to start using or evaluting VBS1 by various military and other customers around the world which will help VBS1 to be more recognized in the simulation industry

- in North America, VBS1 is still exclusively distributed and supported by our partner Coalescent Technologies.

We&#39;re going to release more detailed information about VBS1 new release later today at www.bistudio.com
Well, Atleast Maruk isn&#39;t dead&#33; That is good news, isn&#39;t it?? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
So maybe they do realese OFP2 so unexpected like this&#33;?
Well, thank you Maruk&#33; We love you&#33; Nope just joking.. Codemasters are atleast doing a kickass job it seems. Well. this is friggin fun&#33; Maybe we get a new memeber on the forums, the real president.. Maybe Bush buys it. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/unclesam.gif Seeya later.

[darkpeace]

Why no mention of the oldé site:

http://www.virtualbattlefieldsystems.com

Or does the public VBS1 stand for something else now ?
(Virtual Battle Space)

Just curious, the engine looks identical to Flashpoint 1.96
Although I have seen ADFA running VESL servers with 1.97 VBS1 and ADFA1 and ADFA2 addons

Is this the real deal ?
(don&#39;t make me march over to ADFA to ask - thats 15 km for me - it is too late)

ADFAs&#39; VESL Servers *appear* offline which means they are upgrading or replacing them with something better (hint hint)

I suggest they email Mike Melvin-256
http://mfcti.sourceforge.net

Must have MFCTI: for VBS1 &#33;&#33;&#33;

And I hope that servers can benefit from HyperThreading and 4 (real / 8 logical) CPUs......damn I need my virtual world of combat [http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif], damn 1.96 is only a tad faster on a HyperThreaded server [http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif]

Also hope the engine supports DX 9.0b+ features and looks better, as many of the addons in the movie on the OGN forums I already have (for free). AU&#036;500+ is a bit steep for most players, although the Animal, and Terrain Pack 2 looked alright, and could prob be made to work in Resistance 1.96 RC)

Still, my main concern is performance of 4x CPU Servers.

If they want it to take off, contact Atomic mag Australia, get a removable insert, and include "VBS1Bench2005"* on the coverdisk, just so people can see what detail to expect on their personal system, and grade their 4x way servers which are no doubt lined up already.

*-Doesn&#39;t exist, use your imagination, Benchmarks are the most cost effective method of &#39;advertising&#39; cuz everyone compares their score, who knows could be the next big thing to replace 3D Mark 2003, and auto optimize the game for decent frame-rate out of the box (unlike FlashpointPrefrences.Exe, which was more basic)

Also another vid for people:
But this one is Harmony II engine based:
http://www.es.com/resources/itsec+h2.wmv
Also browse:
http://www.es.com - to dig up more stuff

I suspect OFP2 may look better than that, and have similar size &#39;battlespaces&#39; as I guess people will start calling them http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Competition = good for everybody, and I don&#39;t mean to distract the VBS1 feel, just thought the E&S vids might interest some people.

[m21man]

Quote[/b] ]Why no mention of the oldé site:
That&#39;s Coalescent&#39;s site http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif .

[dutchsoldier]

WOOOOWWW this looks really great finally some news about vbs although the price is idiot in my opinion but he its a simulation not a game http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif

[m21man]

Quote[/b] ]the price is idiot in my opinion
Government prices: &#036;50 for a hammer, &#036;300 for a toilet seat http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif .

[Evishion]

2 Questions:

1: is VBS1 gonna be released in Norway ? think it sayd only US and canada or soemthing ?

2: Is it using OFP engine 1.5 ?

[m21man]

Quote[/b] ]1: is VBS1 gonna be released in Norway ? think it sayd only US and canada or soemthing ?
It said that VBS1 will not be sold (By them) in the US or Canada. Anyone else can buy it.


Quote[/b] ]2: Is it using OFP engine 1.5 ?
It uses an improved engine. Whether it&#39;s 1.5, I don&#39;t know.

[Evishion]

Quote[/b] ]1: is VBS1 gonna be released in Norway ? think it sayd only US and canada or soemthing ?
It said that VBS1 will not be sold (By them) in the US or Canada. Anyone else can buy it.


Quote[/b] ]2: Is it using OFP engine 1.5 ?
It uses an improved engine. Whether it&#39;s 1.5, I don&#39;t know.
ahh cool.. thx...

Wounder what it will cost http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[PAPABEAR_1985]

On the other hand.. the animals do look very temping.

[ig]http://www.virtualbattlespace.com/shop/animal_1.jpg[/img]

+ Kangaroos, Goats, dogs and snakes.

*drool*

/bals was faster  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/blues.gif
If you can shot at them that will be fun. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
I wish we have some screenshots or more info about ofp2 many ask for that http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

Remove image tags when quoting images please - Placebo

[Grimmer]

So what are the new features in VBS1 when compared to OFP 1.96?

Animals, directx 9, aircarft carriers, ..?
How the terrain has been improved?
Does it offer better protection than in normal OFP1? Especially protection against enemy artillery fire.

In military simulation, things like dynamic enviroment which changes when being hit by arty fire, or natural/buildable foxholes, i believe are pretty important for squadbased training.

Can player move more naturally? Like jump over edges, Climb over walls, kick down doors?

Does it have infrared imaging devices? Realistic ballistics for bullets? What about the communication system, can player/commander give orders for squads, platoons, companies?

Does the AI behave more real? Like understanding the enviroment, taking cover. Does it have any strategic or tactical understanding?

[Gollum1]

50 &#036; for something = Kegetys&#39; spectating script? Wow, I didn&#39;t know it was worth as much as OFP itself, must have taken a lot of work to make that script.

I don&#39;t see why a normal consumer should spend hundreds of dollars on a simulation when you can get the same for OFP with addons? Or do you think 2 gun positions and a few other tweaks are worth that much?

Well, as they say, he isn&#39;t crazy who sells but he who buys. I would still be interested in trying this, I just wouldn&#39;t buy it for a price of anything close to the price it is now.

[NeMeSiS]

i dont get it: do i have to buy it over internet or will it come to the shops? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif

[Black Knight]

Quote[/b] ]1: is VBS1 gonna be released in Norway ? think it sayd only US and canada or soemthing ?
It said that VBS1 will not be sold (By them) in the US or Canada. Anyone else can buy it.
So now north americans can&#39;t buy it? We can&#39;t even buy it through Coalescent&#39;s site because it says it&#39;s only available for Government purposes.....

[Gollum1]

i dont get it: do i have to buy it over internet or will it come to the shops? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
You have to order it.

[NeMeSiS]

i dont get it: do i have to buy it over internet or will it come to the shops?  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
You have to order it.
damn, i dont have a creditcard or whatever http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/mad_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

[WhoCares]

Quote[/b] ]VBS1™ product range includes the core VBS1 simulation software, as well as various addons (terrain, units, animals) and system modules (Observer Module, After Action Review Module).
I just wonder, is this AAR module integral part of VBS1 or is it an additional module, but apparently not publicly available?

It also seems to need still a USB key.

Also interesting to know would be, what is part of the core system, with respect to islands, units, weapons, a.s.o.


But anyway, very interesting news.

[Gollum1]

Oh My GOD... Just look at this... i have heart strike


Quote[/b] ]
Key features:
The ability to import your own customized units for specific training.
Wide range of tools available to create new models, worlds and scenarios.
Fully customizable avatars, vehicles and aircraft.
Application of doctrinal templates.
Development of geo-specific maps.
Supports large mapping areas.
High resolution photo realistic textures.
Dynamic daytime and weather effects.
Life-like smoke effects.
Advanced Level Of Detail (LOD) system renders far away objects in increasing detail as you approach them.
Advanced real-time simulation of wind, rain, fog, clouds, time-of-day, sunrise/sunset, tides, stars and moon.
Night navigation is possible with the real-time star mapping feature.
3D Engine supports large number of high-resolution photo-realistic textures through advanced texture management techniques for highly-detailed environments.
Realistic unit and noncombatant character movement modeled using a new human motion-capture System.
Inbuilt Unit voice communications using the new DirectX™ 9.0+ Direct Voice feature set.
Support for dedicated LAN servers.
Commandeer and drive over 30 vehicles including cars, tanks, helicopters, aircraft and boats.
Create mixed squads of human and advanced AI-controlled players in any combination.
Command up to 11 other soldiers in a squad.
Dynamic mission templates allowing users to drag around mission elements such as opposing forces and objectives to any location on the map.
Wide variety of environments: operate in desert, snow and subtropical environments based on true satellite imaging.


You "get heart strike" because of that? I highlighted the parts that aren&#39;t available in OFP right now, coincidentally the most unimportant parts IMO. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif I don&#39;t really understand the "doctrinal template" bit, but I suspect it is implementable in OFP whatever it means.

"Life-like" and "photorealistic" are such relative terms, I thinkt they are already available in OFP.

Be careful of taking many of these statements above for true, the same things could be said about OFP1 but they would be exaggerated.

[raedor]

is it legal to make a high-poly addon for ofp1 out of the vbs units?

[vektorboson]

I find VBS1 very interesting, because BIS took some ideas from the community; if you look at a mission editor screen it looks like FDF mission editor layout.

The observer pack looks like a mix of my Debug Spectator (because of the unit filter) and ECP debug spectator (layout of the three sliders), so it isn&#39;t really Kegetys spectator.

I think that&#39;s fair enough, as BIS supplied us with patches and content for so long.

More interesting is the fact, that a wide variety of tools to create game content is mentioned (I overlooked this point at first). Is by this O2light and stuff meant?

[Gollum1]

is it legal to make a high-poly addon for ofp1 out of the vbs units?
Someone tried it, and they were threatened with legal action IIRC.

[Albert Schweitzer]

I would be greatful if someone who decided to buy the game would publish lots of screenies and maybe a movie here. I realy do think about buying it.

But for me 2 factors are important.

A) i dont want to play alone. I would enjoy seeing several people of this community buying the game too. 15 bucks&#33; That IS affordable

B) How is the support for this game. Are they gonna release adequate patches?

[raedor]

I would be greatful if someone who decided to buy the game would publish lots of screenies and maybe a movie here. I realy do think about buying it.

But for me 2 factors are important.

A) i dont want to play alone. I would enjoy seeing several people of this community buying the game too. 15 bucks&#33; That IS affordable

B) How is the support for this game. Are they gonna release adequate patches?
yes, i am thinking about buying it, too. in the summer holidays i have to get some money... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

it&#39;d be interesting to know what system requirements this game has.

[Gollum1]

And why cant the united states buy it....
Answered before, that&#39;s because Coalescent technologies still hold exclusive distribution rights in the U.S and Canada.

[major gandhi]

Oh My GOD... Just look at this... i have heart strike


Quote[/b] ]
Key features:
The ability to import your own customized units for specific training.
Wide range of tools available to create new models, worlds and scenarios.
Fully customizable avatars, vehicles and aircraft.
Application of doctrinal templates.
Development of geo-specific maps.
Supports large mapping areas.
High resolution photo realistic textures.
Dynamic daytime and weather effects.
Life-like smoke effects.
Advanced Level Of Detail (LOD) system renders far away objects in increasing detail as you approach them.
Advanced real-time simulation of wind, rain, fog, clouds, time-of-day, sunrise/sunset, tides, stars and moon.
Night navigation is possible with the real-time star mapping feature.
3D Engine supports large number of high-resolution photo-realistic textures through advanced texture management techniques for highly-detailed environments.
Realistic unit and noncombatant character movement modeled using a new human motion-capture System.
Inbuilt Unit voice communications using the new DirectX™ 9.0+ Direct Voice feature set.
Support for dedicated LAN servers.
Commandeer and drive over 30 vehicles including cars, tanks, helicopters, aircraft and boats.
Create mixed squads of human and advanced AI-controlled players in any combination.
Command up to 11 other soldiers in a squad.
Dynamic mission templates allowing users to drag around mission elements such as opposing forces and objectives to any location on the map.
Wide variety of environments: operate in desert, snow and subtropical environments based on true satellite imaging.


You "get heart strike" because of that? I highlighted the parts that aren&#39;t available in OFP right now, coincidentally the most unimportant parts IMO. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif I don&#39;t really understand the "doctrinal template" bit, but I suspect it is implementable in OFP whatever it means.

"Life-like" and "photorealistic" are such relative terms, I thinkt they are already available in OFP.

Be careful of taking many of these statements above for true, the same things could be said about OFP1 but they would be exaggerated.
so than what does vbs1 really offer besides this things. the addons shown on the pics and in the video aren&#39;t really better than like for instance BAS-stuff or MMP-addons. And I doubt that this multiweapon-thing got implemented(if it is, please prove). So what else does it have???

animals, yes very essential for a military simulation. new islands, which may only look better on screens or the respective computer-systems (high-quality jungle, desert and winter islands are avaiable for ofp anyway). new anims, hmmm...didn&#39;t see very much in the video, the ones on the screens may be static ones.

i really think the mod-community of ofp is creating a product which is as good as vbs1 or even better.

[Balschoiw]

Quote[/b] ]A) i dont want to play alone. I would enjoy seeing several people of this community buying the game too. 15 bucks&#33; That IS affordable

First, it´s not a game but a military simulation for military training. That´s a significant point.
As you already can see by overlooking the VBS 1 page it wont be only 117 Euro for the basic pack. I assume all who want to b uy it will choose some of the additional CD´s. So let´s say at least 300 to 400 Euro for each copy that has not all but some of the additional CD´s. That´s a hell lot of money.
I admit, that I play with the idea to order one but I´m realistic about it. As it is a military product for military purposes every addon CD that will be released will be a 50 - 100 Dollar one. Bugfixes may be dealt with on a free base but they will most likely only fix bugs, nothing else.
I´m looking forward on new screens though.
But all have to keep in mind that this is no game by definition and therefore the pricing will be high, no matter if you use it as a game or not.
What makes me sad is that now that we all see the new units for sale in VBS 1 there will be no free upgrade for OFP 1 with those addons. Could have been different without VBS 1 but then again most of the units wouldn´t even exist.

I agree, I´d like to know more specific details about the netcode and basic features, unitlist, ingame gfx with VBS1 but I see little chances that VBS 1 will be sold much among us regular gamers. Therefore I doubt it will be played much.


Quote[/b] ]i really think the mod-community of ofp is creating a product which is as good as vbs1 or even better.
Impossible. Why ?
Because Mod -team´s access to OFP source code itself is restricted and in VBS 1 you can already see the extended engine. A thing no mod team can do.

[andersgrim]

I think the main purpose of buying such a product is for a government to get their hands on an all-round realistic combat simulator, not to conquer good ol&#39; OFP.

Though I suppose VBS comes with an improved engine and several updated/fixed features.

But I think our best move would be to wait for OFP2 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Gollum1]

Hmm, the anims were a bit lacking, they hold the guns off to their sides instead of like in Dreamy Knight&#39;s, Wilco&#39;s or Hunter&#39;s anims, and hold the guns on their backs when on safe.

[Balschoiw]

Quote[/b] ]But I think our best move would be to wait for OFP2
Unless VBS 1 drops in summer sale to 40 Euro I agree  http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Lt_Damage]

More information can be found in my review. Part 1 will appear exclusively on OGN tonight.

There will also soon be a developer interview where many of your questions may be answered.

And of course more screenshots and good stuff to come.

[behoram]

HAil &#33;&#33;&#33;

I have i simple question &#33;
I have an small internet point (just only 8 pc +1 server) (it&#39;s enough for my town) i want to buy VBS but i need to know if i must buy 9 vbs (ugh&#33;&#33;) or just 1 is enough ?? (like the corporate of Windows)

Hail &#33;&#33;&#33;

Behoram

p.s.
i already bught 9 Ofp and 9 Res &#33; (Damn single user license&#33;&#33;)

[jens198]

Hi,

I will get the Basic Pack and one or two of the addons.
Hell, what else do I have to go five days a week to the office for?

Jens

[bn880]

I have 3 things to say:

1. neat
2. pleased to see voice comms in there (among other things)
3. _very_ good pricing for the military


So I guess anyone can purchase a copy now if they have enough cash money? Yeah..

[raedor]

is this the bas blackhawk in the trailer http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[GoOB]

Wow, looks really impressive&#33; I showed this to one of my friends, whom I bought a copy of OFP GOTY (he never played much with it though) for. He was really amazed by the textures on the units and the model quality, and started to count the money in his wallet immediatley.

I am seriously thinking about buying this "game", especially after seeing a snake in that trailer&#33; Very impressive indeed, but that was just one of the things that really made me amazed. The textures on the units are unbeleivable, and the textures on the landscape and vehicles aren&#39;t that bad either. But in the end, when I am sitting here with VBS1 and three addon discs I will most probably feel like I wasted my money.

It&#39;s really sad that BIS won&#39;t consider releasing a "civilian version" of VBS1 with some of the improvements to the game engine, a select few of the new addon-packs but for a saner price.

But I guess OFP2 will be just as good sweet, if not sweeter http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Jotte]

There is one thing that speak strongly for VBS 1 when you compere it to community addons, compatibility. This is always the biggest downside issue with community addons. They tend to model/code the reality in diffrent ways which make for problems, especially in multiplayer.

[darkpeace]

The Hardware specs are at:
http://www.virtualbattlefieldsystems.com/specifications.html

But bear in mind Flashpoint Recommended specs where only a 600 Mhz CPU, and alot of us run 3 Ghz rigs now and still think it could perform better in many aspects (alough we have pushed 1.96 engine to its limits), and as I said on page 4, the servers need more MPS support.

As for not being able to buy I in the states, dunno, I know some members of WOLF, ACT, Australia have already ordered VBS1 at the "non US / Canada site" and expect to have it within the week.

I am quite sure if us downunder can get it, then the states should be able to aswell.

(Woot, Now I can train my private militia, the DarkPeace Assault Marines)

If your looking for more read my post on page 4
or check out: http://forums.ogn.com.au/showthread.php?t=16832 - the forums of OGN, clan WOLF, will have some decent stuff in the next few weeks http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

Plenty of similar vids at www.es.com
or if your bored(?) grab: ftp://downloads.codemasters.com/Video/lifeless.exe

And remember the gold old days

[SpongeBob]

- VBS1 is a low cost simulation system based on Operation Flashpoint engine.

- VBS1 is not a game and it has not intention to replace Operation Flashpoint for home entertainment.
So in VBS1, if I press the "I" key, I won&#39;t see my "score" ?

[Gollum1]

It&#39;s really sad that BIS won&#39;t consider releasing a "civilian version" of VBS1 with some of the improvements to the game engine, a select few of the new addon-packs but for a saner price.
Hmm, think about it. How much would they include in the "scaled down" civilian version? A small USMC mod with one or two engine tweaks and three custom islands? Would you pay for that when these packs are released every week? And if they sold this civilian crap version with no value for your money, the REAL version with just 2x more content and fixes would cost at least 5x more.

[Sgt. Stryker]

i&#39;ll have to pass just becasue of the price, thats friken ridiculous. Oh yeah and it says Geforece 4 only (or 2) and i have a radeon, what bullshit why would you make something for just one videocard (HL2 comes into mind) Oh well thats how the cookie crumbles, maybe someone can part some of these addons over to ofp, then again they would probably get sued so i guess i can wait for of2 which i bet it a 50 dollar version of this 150 dollar "virtual battlefield system" pfffff money.

[ExtracTioN]

Is it comming to stores in Netherlands if it comes to stores I buy it 100% but buying over internet I dont buy anything over the net http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/mad_o.gif

[bn880]

http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif Why would you not buy it over the internet? It&#39;s not a fruit or vegetable, it will be the same product whether you buy it at a store or at an internet store. Sounds like a fear of technology? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif

[-=BT=- Matty R]

i buy anything lol

[Indy]

Key features:
The ability to import your own customized units for specific training.
Wide range of tools available to create new models, worlds and scenarios.

So this mean it&#39;s editable? if yes we can just buy the standard version without addons and create them for it

[guerilla [MCY]]

Come on Maruk, you own us a little Editorupgrade here. we&#39;re fighting your war every day without any sold. lets say just some animals like a poisonsnake for bushcampers, some camels for a desertCTI, some of those notshaved face.jpg, becoz we&#39;re getting old here and etc. etc.

Greetings from anotha marek

[Te kakan]

how long is the shiping ? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif is it released ?

[m21man]

Of course, the little warez kiddies on OFP.INFO are already asking for warez copies http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif .


Quote[/b] ]There is one thing that speak strongly for VBS 1 when you compere it to community addons, compatibility.
Also, the stuff comes in nice little sets, instead of slowly coming in from addon-makers. Just get the Marine pack and you get troops, helos, and ground vehicles. Get the ADF pack and get Aussie troops, helos, and ground vehicles. Quick and efficient, though pricey http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif .

[Lt_Damage]

The system requirements and other details on the VirtualBattleSystems site are not all accurate for this version of VBS1.

It is beautiful on a Radeon.

[Speeeedy]

Damn after i watched the trailer i want to buy this for sure.......but 150dollars without the addons.........ummm lot of money........still very tempting......have to think about it

[Gollum1]

Also, the stuff comes in nice little sets, instead of slowly coming in from addon-makers. Just get the Marine pack and you get troops, helos, and ground vehicles. Get the ADF pack and get Aussie troops, helos, and ground vehicles. Quick and efficient, though pricey http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif .
Like with FDF and CSLA mods for free?

[Evishion]

I really hope OFP2 wont cost THAT much http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif

[Gollum1]

I really hope OFP2 wont cost THAT much http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
Why would it, it&#39;s supposed to be bought by private civilians and not government organizations remember? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[Kuba]

I have a question. Is there any thing new in VBS, that we dont have already in OF? I dont see any sense in paying 500 dollars for something that i already have.....

[Powerslide]

Key features:
The ability to import your own customized units for specific training.
Wide range of tools available to create new models, worlds and scenarios.

So this mean it&#39;s editable? if yes we can just buy the standard version without addons and create them for it
Its the same as OFPR, of course it&#39;s editable. It uses the same tools like O2 and visitor. Why is there this idea that it&#39;s this new, great different game? This is ridiculous. First of all VBS is no better then OFPR, it is based on the same engine although it is tweaked out a bit. Looks like they took stuff from alot of mods, why would I buy this to use BAS units, or a LAV25 from the ADF pack that could even be ours when I could DL them for free? The price is outrageous for one, and what are you getting extra? Some addons, that&#39;s about it. Mods could match this work or better it, as I see it most the ideas came from the mods anyway. This is a last ditch cash grab, that&#39;s all it is, to compensate for the not selling as many copies to the goverments as they hoped on. Furthermore I am dissapointed to see that the OFP2 screens they released are actually from VBS1. If they would have been smart about this they would have packaged it as a massive upgrade to OFPR and sold it for &#036;50, call it OFPR 2.00 or whatever. They would have sold a shitload more copies.

[DpS]

Well, love it, especially with the engine update. However why people in United States can not buy it, why the rest of the world can.

Oh I see, they dont want to train terrorist, hmm... terrorist dont fight in a conventional war. They are bunch of sissies, who like to hit and run http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif

[SpongeBob]

Will missions made for OFP work/can be edited to work in VBS1?

Wouldn&#39;t it suck if you buy this and there&#39;s no public missions to use http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Indy]

Key features:
The ability to import your own customized units for specific training.
Wide range of tools available to create new models, worlds and scenarios.

So this mean it&#39;s editable? if yes we can just buy the standard version without addons and create them for it
Its the same as OFPR, of course it&#39;s editable. It uses the same tools like O2 and visitor. Why is there this idea that it&#39;s this new, great different game? This is ridiculous. First of all VBS is no better then OFPR, it is based on the same engine although it is tweaked out a bit. Looks like they took stuff from alot of mods, why would I buy this to use BAS units, or a LAV25 from the ADF pack that could even be ours when I could DL them for free? The price is outrageous for one, and what are you getting extra? Some addons, that&#39;s about it. Mods could match this work or better it, as I see it most the ideas came from the mods anyway. This is a last ditch cash grab, that&#39;s all it is, to compensate for the not selling as many copies to the goverments as they hoped on. Furthermore I am dissapointed to see that the OFP2 screens they released are actually from VBS1. If they would have been smart about this they would have packaged it as a massive upgrade to OFPR and sold it for &#036;50, call it OFPR 2.00 or whatever. They would have sold a shitload more copies.
the engine is not the same, it&#39;s improved, and i think it&#39;s better create something for VBS than for a limited engine

[SFG]

Can user made addons currently be converted to work with vbs?

[ExtracTioN]

if I buy it over the net how do I know it will ship to me http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
And if they say that I must pay the price first and than that it will be shiped to me how long does it take how I know that it will be secure to order over the net.
Is there a option to order it and when it comes to your home you pay the money to the post bringer???

[Te kakan]

if i order when do i get it ?? no info on the site.... Is there a new AI that works whit the dogs ? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif

[Ironsight]

Is there a option to order it and when it comes to your home you pay the money to the post bringer???
How can I pay it, it&#39;s not the problem that I don&#39;t have the money it&#39;s just that I don&#39;t have a creditcard and I don&#39;t know what the paymate method is http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif

[Powerslide]

Key features:
The ability to import your own customized units for specific training.
Wide range of tools available to create new models, worlds and scenarios.

So this mean it&#39;s editable? if yes we can just buy the standard version without addons and create them for it
Its the same as OFPR, of course it&#39;s editable. It uses the same tools like O2 and visitor. Why is there this idea that it&#39;s this new, great different game? This is ridiculous. First of all VBS is no better then OFPR, it is based on the same engine although it is tweaked out a bit. Looks like they took stuff from alot of mods, why would I buy this to use BAS units, or a LAV25 from the ADF pack that could even be ours when I could DL them for free? The price is outrageous for one, and what are you getting extra? Some addons, that&#39;s about it. Mods could match this work or better it, as I see it most the ideas came from the mods anyway. This is a last ditch cash grab, that&#39;s all it is, to compensate for the not selling as many copies to the goverments as they hoped on. Furthermore I am dissapointed to see that the OFP2 screens they released are actually from VBS1. If they would have been smart about this they would have packaged it as a massive upgrade to OFPR and sold it for &#036;50, call it OFPR 2.00 or whatever. They would have sold a shitload more copies.
the engine is not the same, it&#39;s improved, and i think it&#39;s better create something for VBS than for a limited engine
Can you show me a full list of how it&#39;s improved exactly? I see there may be coding improvements yes, higher res textures, yes, but what is different for it?


- VBS1 uses modified Operation Flashpoint 1 engine.

Modified in what way?

[quicKsanD]

Heh,as I suspected it was Flashpoint2004.The video is extraordinary,all that I wanted OF2 to be.

I am still trying to decide whether to buy it or not.First I am going to read the review and find out if OF1 addons would work with it.
And the most important thing of all.HOW IS THE AI IMPORVED?CAN IT FIGHT IN URBAN AREAS,ENTER BUILDINGS.etc?

One other thing,is BIS considering releasing a disk pack for it with voice acted campaigns?

In any case spending this kind of money is a very important decision for me,so I am still thinking...

[Albert Schweitzer]

Sorry, but from the video I couldnt see great improvements. All I could hope for is that the graphic card is now used in a greater way (DirectX). But besides that..well I can expect more for the money no? Better textures...? well hmm.... and paying 140 bucks for a nice Kangoroo? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif

[Ironsight]

Has anyone bought it yet http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif

[Leone]

Hehehe. This ain&#39;t exactly E3, but certainly it&#39;s quite an announcement. Not sure if I will be rushing out to buy it, but good luck to BIS with the sales.

Hmmmm, on second thoughts maybe I will grab it soon. My private army needs some training http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif

[Baphomet]

So from what I&#39;m reading us Canucks and United state&#39;ers can&#39;t get it?

Dammit&#33;

My uncle works for a civilan branch of defence canada as a purchaser for supplies at the Edmonton garrison...


I wonder if I could convince him...


Nah. He thinks OFP is a crock of shit.

Dammit&#33;

See. Where I would -not- pay for upgrading a new pc just to play regular ofp addons.

I&#39;d but a brand spanking new machine and every single addon fucking cd I could.

The only proviso would be that I could play it via lan or something. I don&#39;t play on the internet anyhow. However without some kind of LAN capability it&#39;d get boring.

[MrZig]

Well I just read the 8 pages, and it seems like VBS is just OFP with hi res textures and cute animals..

Sure it has a carrier, but OFP does too.

It has a tomahawk, look what wizzy is doing and what CoC did.

It has hi-res textures.. You won&#39;t be worrying about that whilst playing.

The only thing that would even make me consider buying this would be

A) If I was rich http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif

B) IF they had completley redone the urban combat, and made it so you can enter buildings and stuff

C)Fixed the bouncing things and running through walls.

But even then, why not wait till OFP2 and save 500+ dollars?

[Maruk]

I moved this topic to BI General area as VBS1 is a different product than Operation Flashpoint.