Steering Parachutes

[Ice Rhino]

When you watch the animation of parachutist, it appears as though he is steering the parachute.

Is this possible to and if yes, how do you do it?

[RN Malboeuf]

nope sorry

[WisdoM]

you think it would be possible for them to implement that? I mean it would be pretty cool, Always sucks having your pretty SU-25 blown to bits, you make a narrow escape, and relaize you're only going to drowned.

[Mister Frag]

Round military canopy chutes can't be steered, at least not very much. It's a simplification that makes training easier, and ensures that all troops descend in the same area.

The chutes you are referring to are rectangular 'mattress' chutes. They can indeed be steered quite well, and can even climb briefly.

[PV]

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Round military canopy chutes can't be steered, at least not very much. It's a simplification that makes training easier, and ensures that all troops descend in the same area.

The chutes you are referring to are rectangular 'mattress' chutes. They can indeed be steered quite well, and can even climb briefly.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

the chutes in the game appear to be T-10C's. ***they are steerable in a basic sense. ***you can get some lateral motion to avoid other jumpers but you cant spin your orientation (you often are forced to land while traveling ***in the direction your back is facing). ***This lateral motion can be achieved by pulling down on one of the 4 risers. ***When you are within 100 feet of the ground, ***jumpers will pull down on their risers to slow their descent to soften the impact (note these are not tippy toe landings with these chutes). You are right though, these specific chutes are very limited in what you can do.

(Edited by PV at 7:15 am on Nov. 26, 2001)

[residuum]

What is it with the no swim feature. I can swim. Why can't my guy in OFP?

[Cyanide]

as someone's already said before - the soldier has to wear a lot of heavy gear (weapons, ammo, boots etc). i think it makes sence...

You can steer it a little, by moving the mouse to the sides of the screen, you go turn around in that direction and keep going forward in that direction, but it's not easy.

[residuum]

Considering US troops have to go through a swim excercise with full gear on in training (I've seen video of this, it's related to how many peopel dorwned during D-Day invasion) I think my guy can swim.

[Rifleman]

i think they need to add a steerable parachute for spec ops missions like they use in real life

and for swimming like when u eject over water u should beable to have a "dump gear" option so u can swim and that would work good if they would add pistols then u could dump everything but a pistol and still could swim

[Mister Frag]

I like the idea of a Dump Gear command, but the soldiers in OFP don't really carry a lot of heavy stuff -- at most you'd be able to get rid of the M60, LAW, or RPG.

If I was in the drink, I'd find a way to hold on to my M16 or AK, they really aren't that heavy, and might come in handy later. A pistol is only good for fighting your way to your rifle...

[residuum]

Dumping your shoot, your belts with ammo on themm, etc. But this would take time, especially when you're treading water. U.S. solders can swim with gear on. So you don't even need the option, so let my guy swim.

[Frizbee]

But HELLO a pilot doesn't have much that would make him sink.... plus, ejecting pilots have cool inflatable boats that automatically inflate when they hit water...

or when a plug is pulled on the pack... that would allow them to float.

[Rifleman]

yeah small inflatable rafts would be cool
and in OFP the pilots carry a M4 and 6nades and nightvision(ithnk) so that makes them carry as much as the rest of the soldiers

[residuum]

LOL rafts that someone shoots and you sink, and then once again, its all about swimming.

[Rifleman]

true that
but might as well use a raft till it sinks tho hehe

[Scooby]

Yes, US soldiers are very special,... They are the only ones that can swim. Soldiers from other nations cant...

:biggrin: Can American people swim?

[Albert Schweitzer]

Oh, maybe you never experienced it. But with that stupid gear and soaking clothes, the f**king helmet, the heavy boots there is no way to properly swim, be happy if you dont drown

[RN Malboeuf]

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You can steer it a little, by moving the mouse to the sides of the screen, you go turn around in that direction and keep going forward in that direction, but it's not easy.
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no you can't

[MoatnGator2]

Well, there are a couple of issues. I served with the Rangers in Benning and the 508th Airborne in Panama as a grunt. In Panama I was a M60 gunner, the guy with the heaviest load outside of the radio operator.

If you had the misfortune to land in water with a 80lb ruck on your back, you might be in trouble. Every ruck has a quick release, so that isn't a problem unless you panick.

But, when jumping on purpose (not ejecting) you have your ruck that you lower on a line so it is away from you.

Either way, the real issue is your weapon, your LBV (load bearing vest), helmet, boots etc....

The first thing is that everyone who can jump at one time goes through water landings. Th hardest thing is getting out from under your chute in a rolling surf. The second hard part is learning to swim in boots. But again, you are trained for this.

The point is it is "sink or swim" and the load is not the issue. Maybe in Private Ryan it was, but we are not taking about fully loaded troops hitting the water. If you know your life depends on it, you will swim with all that gear on. If you don't, your buddies next to you will carry your sorry ass to shore.

The inability to swim is a tad disappointing. To blame it on inabilities to swim rather than cutting corners on the programming side is a little foolish.

What other games caused you to drown with no chance of swimming?

[Ijustwannaknow]

I dont find it very realistic you put your toe in the water and you get hurt.

[762WorldOrder]

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Quote: from RedStorm on 3:38 am on Nov. 26, 2001
You can steer it a little, by moving the mouse to the sides of the screen, you go turn around in that direction and keep going forward in that direction, but it's not easy.

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no you can't "

Actually, you can steer to a very small degree. It's not much, but its there. Almost unnoticable.

[Rogue2020]

I don't know what anyone else said but I know that soldiers parachutes were not steerable and were crappie enough that some broke their legs on landing.........

[762WorldOrder]

You only break your legs if your chute deploys too low to the ground, which is understandable. Above a certain height, you will always land safely (assuming you don't get cut to ribbonson the way down by enemy fire).

[MoatnGator2]

They were not crappy. Many combat jumps happen at 800 ft. Others happen at 600 ft. You don't want to float around and admire the scenery. Everyone and their brother are going to be trying to shoot you down.

You get out of the plane, your chute deploys, you check your bearings and chute for holes (checking your rate of descent as well)---there is very little time to deploy a reserve--

After that you steer with your risers away from others (slipping away **slip away godd*amn it ...slip away!!)

Then, when you are getting close to landing you lower your ruck on a lowering line and prepare for landing.

People break legs, arms, backs because you land on something unlevel or just suck at landing. I'd rather have a hard landing than get shot on the way down.

The chutes don't suck, the conditions (weather etc..) do.

[MoatnGator2]

They were not crappy. Many combat jumps happen at 800 ft. Others happen at 600 ft. You don't want to float around and admire the scenery. Everyone and their brother are going to be trying to shoot you down.

You get out of the plane, your chute deploys, you check your bearings and chute for holes (checking your rate of descent as well)---there is very little time to deploy a reserve--

After that you steer with your risers away from others (slipping away **slip away godd*amn it ...slip away!!)

Then, when you are getting close to landing you lower your ruck on a lowering line and prepare for landing.

People break legs, arms, backs because you land on something unlevel or just suck at landing. I'd rather have a hard landing than get shot on the way down.

The chutes don't suck, the conditions (weather etc..) do.

[vitoal125]

Thats another thing though, you are completely invincible while in a parachute unless you hit another shoot or the ground. I once put myself in an M2 and put a ton of parachuters in the air at once and I unloaded on them. Not one came down dead!

[Drewus]

I completely agree with the point that it was sloppy to just make you instantly sink instead of atleast having the option t oswim before you sink.

Even if they implemented swimming for a few metres before you lost your breath and went under would be welcome. As it stands, i hate ejecting out of a chopper/plane and landing within arms length of the shore, only to drop straight to the bottom like an anvil. Atleast give me the option to use all of my guys strength to paddle for the shore like anyone would do in real life.

I'm really getting sick of the cut corners in the game. One that annoys me the most is the option (or lack of it for that matter) to drop your weapons/gear. If i've just spent my Gustav, why cant i unload the heavy bastard of a thing off my back?
Other small quirks are unrealistic armour and weapon ratings.
What really amazes me though is that in one patch everything can seem fine and dandy with only a few things to be fixed. But once the next patch comes out, the previously fixed things are faulty again! It's like a bloody chain reaction for crying out loud!
It makes me wonder if the game will ever be FINALLY 100% patched without any bugs in it whatsoever. As the quality of the patches stands at the moment i have a feeling it's a long way off.
Any other software developer would have cleaned out every bug by now with the number (and size) of the patches that BIS has released. I've seen some games that have been buggy as #### but required only ONE patch in order to fix everything.

I'm way off topic here but i just wish BIS would stop concentrating on add-on vehicles and weapons and make the game absolutely spit polished. There is always time for future game development later on, at the moment, its time to make the game perfect.

[residuum]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Scooby on 2:57 am on Nov. 27, 2001
Yes, US soldiers are very special,... They are the only ones that can swim. Soldiers from other nations cant...
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I keep referring to American soldiers because those are the ones who are in the game...

[WisdoM]

"Any other software developer would have cleaned out every bug by now with the number (and size) of the patches that BIS has released. I've seen some games that have been buggy as #### but required only ONE patch in order to fix everything."

Really? what game? And I don;t know how many times Ive pointed this out, but, I'll do it one more time, Quake 3 was released in 1998, it(2 months ago) released its "final" patch, and oyu know what thats 3 YEARs, and john Carmack is a coding GOD, this is BIS first attempt(I believe) at a MP game. Your rants are plain adn aimpl whines, I'm sorry but you have apparently not played a MP game in the recent future, as NO GAME WILL EVER BE 100% BUG FREE, sorry but it will never happen.

[Drewus]

Panzer Elite is one example. When that game was released it was bug-o-rama heaven, and it was the developers first game.
They released 2 patches and all major bugs were cleared with everything ironed out. Sure they released more patches to introduce new features (now up to 1.08 i think) but within 2 patches they had everything cleared and working. They also managed to simultaneously release editing tools to the community at the same time and talked and asked questions to the forum members non-stop.

And your right, i havn't played a multiplayer game, and have no intention to. You obviously havn't noticed the SINGLE PLAYER aspect of the game yet, have you? That needs just as much polishing work as the multiplayer side of it.

[WisdoM]

"They released 2 patches and all major bugs were cleared with everything ironed out. Sure they released more patches to introduce new features "

When they released those new features, I GUARANTEE IT that there were minor bug fixes, and NO GAME will ever be bug free. And for one thing I really seriously doubt that Panzer Elite was quite as complex nor as advanced as OFP. I'm not trying to argue with you, it's just that some people dont take the time to take a step back and look at the whole picture. People jump on this forums and harass teh s**t out of BIS.

"at the same time and talked and asked questions to the forum members non-stop."

The majority of these people hardly speak English, and I'm sure it's there fault they released a procduct and dont speak english right? Jeez give em a break, I know "you the comsumer took your hard working money and payed for a product you thought was finished" Well any game you are gonna buy is gonna have problems when its first released, but odn't worry in time they will have fixed it I'm sure, what kind of company would they be if they didnt. As far as teh modding tools, I hope they release em, but I won't whine about if they don't, Think about it logically, when oyu bought they game did they ever say "you'll be able to make your own models and mods", NO nor have they ever. Your taking hearsay that has been thrown around by other members of the community, and then saying that BIS should release something they never said they would. I mean sure it would make the game EVEN better.

You hardly ever hear anyone say "Hey there is no other game out like this, where can I go from flying my chopper around blowing s**t up, to driving my tank around" You don't because people will always complain aobut what they "think" they deserve. This is not directly pointed a to you, but everyone like you. I mean for one thing, be happy they didnt release it, then drop out a s**tty patch out for us,m then leave us to fend for our selves.

On an ending note, to date you wont find a game like OFP, with such intense gameplay with a such a realistic feel. So just think about what goes on behind the scenes before you whine about what you "should" have.