View Full Version : Flashpoint2.com updated?
As the old thread about the site is too old to be dug up, and my search yeilded no further info about this. I just checked out flashpoint2.com and noticed the old era TV is gone, and now there is no picture. Replaced by a Supersoni X flat television, but no broadcasting. What this all about?
http://www.flashpoint2.com/
Soul_Assassin
Dec 23 2003, 23:36
there is the on button u can see first blurry SCREEENNNS of OFP 2 !!!!!!!!!
Just noticed it and you beat me to posting http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
ozanzac
Dec 23 2003, 23:41
Thanks for the heads up guys.
OFP2 Screenies, finally! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Those look like they are from ofp1 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
They are all with modern era stuff, isn't OFP2 supposed to be in the 1970's?
edit:
On the bottom theres a long rectangle just on the bottom of the screen. It folds out for more buttons. You can get more channels from them.
Soul_Assassin
Dec 23 2003, 23:44
thats what bugged me as well, i have a feeling BIS changed theaters of ops as well as the era
also notice they implemented animals http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
ozanzac
Dec 23 2003, 23:49
I think the change of TV from a 60's Black and White to a modern Flat Screen is pretty indicative of what BIS intends to do with OFP2.
Bonko the Sane
Dec 23 2003, 23:59
If that is so then im happier, although theres nothing our excellent Mod community cant change im glad BIS hopefully are planning a more up to date OFP2.
RalphWiggum
Dec 24 2003, 00:08
I'm guessing that Maruk ended up getting himself a TV for christmas. wonder if Ondrej will steal it and put it in his room http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif
i really hope MAruk did not go on a shopping spree like a girl. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/ghostface.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
RalphWiggum
Dec 24 2003, 00:11
blah! only 4 channels.
my guess is that those screenies might be just a show. am i only one thinkning BAS addons are used in one of them?
anyway, one of the screenies had a soldier aiming iwht M16+M203 ,and has a water canteen on his helmet. pretty consistent to what i've seen in Vietnam photos.
blah! only 4 channels.
my guess is that those screenies might be just a show. am i only one thinkning BAS addons are used in one of them?
anyway, one of the screenies had a soldier aiming iwht M16+M203 ,and has a water canteen on his helmet. pretty consistent to what i've seen in Vietnam photos.
Same here, I thought it was some BAS stuff too.
quakergamer
Dec 24 2003, 00:17
Nice! DX9 engine and animals in OFP 2 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif! Now I like it even more!! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif
RalphWiggum
Dec 24 2003, 00:17
blah! only 4 channels.
my guess is that those screenies might be just a show. am i only one thinkning BAS addons are used in one of them?
anyway, one of the screenies had a soldier aiming iwht M16+M203 ,and has a water canteen on his helmet. pretty consistent to what i've seen in Vietnam photos.
I don't think the M203 was around in Vietnam. They used the M79. AFAIK.
oh thank you Mr. picky. 1 week ban.
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif
yes, that pick smells more like Vietnam, and other one where a soldier is aiming from left behind a rock to right handside has some detail like what seems like a vest.
Quote[/b] ]Same here, I thought it was some BAS stuff too.
either that or they finally got around making Hueys and other choppers too. i heard early in the release of OFPR that there was definition of a huey class or something like that, but it seems like BIS had to make the deadline and it was not complete.
ozanzac
Dec 24 2003, 00:18
He should have got a digital TV so we could see those screenies with better clarity. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif
Hmm, a littlebird. BAS's work or BIS's work?
Also noticed a four bladed huey like chopper in one of the littler pictures (USMC......probably, as it has a four bladed rotor, thus it's not a griffon), as well as a grey A-10 (Mayby Inquisitors work?).
I hate being teased so much, but you BIS boys can enjoy it while it lasts.
DracoPaladore
Dec 24 2003, 00:57
I hate to be a bug in the rug, but most of those look like pictures taken from mods for the current OFP. I swear I've seen a couple of those before.
quakergamer
Dec 24 2003, 01:07
I hate to be a bug in the rug, but most of those look like pictures taken from mods for the current OFP. I swear I've seen a couple of those before.
Yea but they do show new features (well at least different than in OFP). Look at the Littlebird cockpit lighting or the M2A2 sand dust ... In ofp you can't make it like that!
Hmm....very interesting indeed.
Swapping the old TV for a modern flatscreen.
Quote[/b] ]Experience the best modern military equipment.
Quote[/b] ]As part of an international coalition contingent your team will be deployed to dismantle a significant threat to the free world.
Quote[/b] ]The world has changed. Heightened tensions across the globe have created the need for pre-emptive action to ensure ongoing stability.
There is something about all this that really doesn't scream 60's-70's era conflicts as was suggested before.
I draw the following conclusions (as inconclusive as they still remain)
1) BIS have changed their mind and decided to base OFP2 on modern military scenarios. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
2) They have plans to set OFP2 in multi-era military scenarios. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
3) They just thought 'Tell u what, let's totally screw with their heads so they don't have a clue what we gonna do' (which has kinda worked on me already http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif )
How 'bout this, the aforementioned 60's-70's era based conflicts and also a totally fictional modern WWIII-esque, global conflict?
Blah blah blah....you'll buy it anyway, as will I http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif
Stop bitchin', enjoy your Xmas Present or Santa will spank you! I think this is very neat http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Ehm....who was bitching?? Not me. I mearly said that i thought it was quite strange how the vision of OFP2 that BIS are giving us now, albeit a vague one, is not the same as the one they gave us previously. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Yes, i will buy it regardless of what era it is set and what kind of military it contains as i know that no matter what the base game is like, the awesome community we have will totally change the face of it anyways with great mods and addons.
If i had to choose, i would rather it be based on modern warfare than a 60's-70's era but multi-era scenarios would really kick ass.
im just very happy its gonna be modern stuff
they might of been using some extra vbs technology for ofp2
ill end up buying it either way but ill buy it 4 sure if its modern
One of the pic is from Black hawk down. Sgt Sanderson laying in a the dirt with rocks in the air.
STOP TEASING ME BIS http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
batdog
*edit- It sez battle across Europe and Asia. What happeded to Africa. I was lookin forward to tat.
Hellfish6
Dec 24 2003, 05:13
Yeah, I was looking forward to Africa. And where do you guys see animals? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
Edit: And those screenshots are from the VBS1 promo (with the Marines looking at stuff on the wall) and what looks like Tonal and BAS stuff to me.
Quote[/b] ]looks like Tonal and BAS stuff to me.
Naughty BIS http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif !
Sgt. Drake Savage
Dec 24 2003, 06:04
The picture under the Join the Community heading looks like a British Lynx to me, not a huey. Something about an international coalition is also mentioned on the site.
Looks like all of you "forenurz" can quit ur complaining about all the US stuff http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Edit: I dont see any animals either http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
ozanzac
Dec 24 2003, 06:28
It says stuff about animals on the bottom scroller news reel thingy. Read it, for a while, as it doesn't repeat at the same rate as the main picture. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
As for the possible use of user made addons in OFP2, I'm sure I read somewhere that BIS is well within it's rights to use those addons for it's own purposes. I don't know much about the legalities, but somewhere in the Oxygen legal disclaimers, I read somewhere that BIS can reserve the right to use materials created using it's programs for it's own puposes.
Anyway, I'd be rather proud if any of the stuff I'd make was put into a game officially, especially if you were to gain recognition for your work.
blackdog~
Dec 24 2003, 06:43
It would also lead to leaders in addons and modifications with too much power over the OFP community. A dictatorship almost, except they don't really have absolute power.
If you know what I mean.
Evishion
Dec 24 2003, 08:27
I love ofp SO FREAKING MUCH!!!! OFP2 IS GONNA RULEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Keep the HELL GOOD work up BIS ! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
I think dynamic lighting would be more useful than the dynamic lightning advertised. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif
waffendennis
Dec 24 2003, 09:24
let me thing:
I came up with this idea:
BIS is working longer on OFP2 then we know...
So maybe the 2004 date could be rechead because BIS was working longer on it then we known from them.
As you see OFP X-box releases this month...
The the only thing could be is: Main project: OFP 2
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
dutchsoldier
Dec 24 2003, 09:37
I checked the site http://www.ctcorp.com/capability20.html
and found a screenshot wich i haven't seen earlier there's some kind of hoovercraft looks intresting http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif
may be just me but i cant find them screens :/ when i try and turn the knob (hehehe knob) it dont work :/
I for one am glad that BIS has decided to move away from the Vietnam era (IF they have). Recently we've seen a glut of Vietnam based games (prey none could ever be as good as OFP, but thats not the point)
With the new capabilities in OFP2, imagine what we could have; FULLY functional IR pointers, 4th/5th generation NV Goggles and all the other bells and whistles that you get on modern troops. Helicopters with a full suite of visual aids and defensive aids.
*drools*
I can't wait to get my modding hands on OFP2, its gonna be sweet
ozanzac
Dec 24 2003, 12:04
*drools*
I can't wait to get my modding hands on OFP2, its gonna be sweet
*drools at Deadmeats drool*
Don't you worry, we can't wait for you to get your modding hands on OFP2. That's gonna be sweet!!! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
But DM, whats your reaction to the works presented in the teaser, how do you feel that your work could potentially be used for OFP2. Do you have any problems with it, and had BIS contacted you, or will you assume nothing until screenshots with more clarity are out. I'm just curious.
But DM, whats your reaction to the works presented in the teaser, how do you feel that your work could potentially be used for OFP2. Do you have any problems with it, and had BIS contacted you, or will you assume nothing until screenshots with more clarity are out. I'm just curious.
Absolutely nothing atm, whilst the pics do look like some of our units, until something with more clarity comes out I'm not going to speculate.
What I would love to do is work with/for BIS, providing our work for OFP2. I know all of the BAS team, and other mod makers would be greatly honoured for this to happen, so you never know. The ball is, as they say, in BIS' court. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
quicKsanD
Dec 24 2003, 13:51
OMG..When I saw the modern tv my jaw dropped..They made a genious move scraping Vietnam era..When I heared that Flashpoint 2 is was the 60`s I was sad cause alot of possibilities were missed.Now everything is perfect
GR 2,Soldner move over OF 2 is coming!!!!!!
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The requested URL /mainpage.html was not found on this server.
Apache/1.3.23 Server at www.flashpoint2.com Port 80
thats all i get when i movie the top knob to the second notch :/ can somone save those screens and up them somwhere?
i think i am totally confused........ http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
(BIS STOP PLAYING WITH US PLZZZZZZZZ)
Gollum1
Dec 24 2003, 15:49
Oh f**k.
S**t.
An international contingent sent out to dismantle a threat to the free world. Modern era.
Is it Al-Qaeda, BIS? Is it *gasp* N.O.D LEAD BY THE NEFARIOUS KANE!? I hope you're a manly American accompanied by Frenchmen who like cheese and Englishmen who complain that they aren't getting any tea, since it's "international". Wahoo!
By the way, DF: Black Hawk Down is my favorite game EVA!
Thanks for...enriching...*gack* my Christmas, BIS! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/mad_o.gif
Thanks for making something that stands out of the crowd! Anti-terrorism, wow, who would have thought of that!
Disclaimer: This post is not sarcastic in any way.
quakergamer
Dec 24 2003, 15:50
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The requested URL /mainpage.html was not found on this server.
Apache/1.3.23 Server at www.flashpoint2.com Port 80
thats all i get when i movie the top knob to the second notch :/ can somone save those screens and up them somwhere?
Check it here:
OFP2 Pictures (http://www.roughnecks.org/opgwc/qkg/OFP2.jpg)
Acecombat
Dec 24 2003, 15:52
Ah are those pics from OFP2 or VBS? Its a bit confusing i think and arent those pics of addons like BAS little birdies and INQ's A-10 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
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The requested URL /mainpage.html was not found on this server.
Apache/1.3.23 Server at www.flashpoint2.com Port 80
thats all i get when i movie the top knob to the second notch :/ can somone save those screens and up them somwhere?
Check it here:
OFP2 Pictures (http://www.roughnecks.org/opgwc/qkg/OFP2.jpg)
thanks
My guess still is that there will be Vietnam as well. Afterall there was the talk about three theatres (africa, central europe and south-east asia). I conclude that there will be 3 campaigns because of this, which are not neccessarily in the same time, but let's say a decade between each.
Well let's just wait and see...
Blink Dog
Dec 24 2003, 16:21
I hope OFP2 will not become a "War on Terror™" cash in. I was looking forward to a cold war era game. I will still get it, but I will prob wait until there is a cold war era mod for it before I purchase, or if some really fantastic advances in game play are made into the game.
Powerslide
Dec 24 2003, 16:47
I concur Blink. I feel an expansion into a European theater including other bloc countries would be the way to go. I am certain BIS has scrutinized the many great addons out there and will incorporate some of the features of them into the game, the addon makers have stuff that was perhaps beyond BIS's time frame or knowledge to incorporate into the game. I highly doubt they will use addons directly from the mods out there but stranger things have happened. They gave us the tools for a good reason, the tools were free and if they did reverse engineer some stuff no one would be compensated I'm sure. Read the disclaimer that comes with the tools. Keep in mind anything that is made with BIS's tools and released for free on the internet is open game and free to modify or change with no recourse.
I for one am glad that BIS has decided to move away from the Vietnam era (IF they have). Recently we've seen a glut of Vietnam based games (prey none could ever be as good as OFP, but thats not the point)
With the new capabilities in OFP2, imagine what we could have; FULLY functional IR pointers, 4th/5th generation NV Goggles and all the other bells and whistles that you get on modern troops. Helicopters with a full suite of visual aids and defensive aids.
*drools*
I can't wait to get my modding hands on OFP2, its gonna be sweet
Bah, who needs technology like that. Just give me a rifle and and a bunch of mags, and I'm good to go! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Veitnam based or not, as long as I can shoot and blow stuff up, I'm pretty happy. Hopefully CQB will be improved though.
Harkonin
Dec 24 2003, 17:09
Bah I have to agree with Deadmeat, pre era stuff has been done to death. OFP was and still is the best game due to its freedom and if OFP2 is set with a modern theme with enhanced graphics and just a few of the prior issues (clipping for 1) I personally think it'll rock instead of just being another Nam game.
RalphWiggum
Dec 24 2003, 17:17
who knows. maybe OFP2 is capable of modern things but official missions and campaign will be based on Vietnam-ear?
Heatseeker
Dec 24 2003, 17:27
Very strange, im guessing those screens were just made has teasers and are being used just for advertising. We havent seen nothing cause at this point there isnt much to see problably.
I would guess if they have started working in the game they should have started with the game engine improvements, graphix, rendering, light and water, new features and implementing better phisics and stuff like that, improving A.I. blah blah... so i would guess models and units will only be seen in a later stage of development http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
I dont think BIS would use user made units in a new product regardless of how good those may be it wouldnt be right but i guess that with so many great acomplishments made by the addon makers they will certainly use some ideas, what has been acomplished by the addon makers would inspire any developer i guess http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif .
Gollum1
Dec 24 2003, 17:52
Hopefully CQB will be improved though.
They already fixed that for Xbox! Check an interview. But for general improvements to make it more like Raven Shield, hell yes! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
You can't fight those brotherhood of NOD/Al qaedas with clipping, can you? Sorry for the whining. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
quicKsanD
Dec 24 2003, 18:42
chill dude we are talking about BIS here..Besides they said in an interview that the campaign is fictional..
Plus how do you know that the campaign isn`t about the US that has gone mad for its thirst for world domination,Russia sais enough is enough and WW3 starts in a quest to stop the greedy americans domination...
You really can t be sure right now..I have my full faith in BIS,but it would be great if someone from the team like Maruk or Suma would clear things up for us as a Christmas present..
Something short like:You will play as bla bla bla..that would make my Christams
Blink Dog
Dec 24 2003, 19:07
What would be cool is if Guba overthrows the Soviet government instead of Yeltsin in 91 and a new Stalinist type government emerges and tries to retake the former Warsaw pact countries back.
waffendennis
Dec 24 2003, 19:14
Ah are those pics from OFP2 or VBS? Its a bit confusing i think and arent those pics of addons like BAS little birdies and INQ's A-10 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
just to correct you...
VBS1 doesnt looks like that VBS1 is looking like shit ( from what I heard from marines...)
So this is the real deal OFP2 is coming here http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
What would be cool is if Guba overthrows the Soviet government instead of Yeltsin in 91 and a new Stalinist type government emerges and tries to retake the former Warsaw pact countries back.
AKA Ghost Recon.
Soul_Assassin
Dec 24 2003, 20:08
What would be cool is if Guba overthrows the Soviet government instead of Yeltsin in 91 and a new Stalinist type government emerges and tries to retake the former Warsaw pact countries back.
People who dont know how it is to live under a dictator (in worst case Stalin) dont understand the full horor of it. So no, it wouldnt be cool.
quicKsanD
Dec 24 2003, 21:27
What would be cool is if Guba overthrows the Soviet government instead of Yeltsin in 91 and a new Stalinist type government emerges and tries to retake the former Warsaw pact countries back.
People who dont know how it is to live under a dictator (in worst case Stalin) dont understand the full horor of it. So no, it wouldnt be cool.
I think he ment it would be cool for a game scenario http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Anyway I had my fair share of living under a dictator known as Ceausescu.Life was hard,but still very unwiste to execute him on Christmas eve http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
ale2999
Dec 25 2003, 01:55
i just have 2 words. Bis thank you! well that was 3 but you got the point
ExtracTioN
Dec 25 2003, 02:53
Maybe they make 2 games 1 old era games and 1 new era http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
1- game for vietnam, afrika and europe like they said
2- A modern day game like war in Iraq
that would be cool or they are pictures from Independence Lost as a expansion pack for OFP2 who knows http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Blink Dog
Dec 25 2003, 04:16
What would be cool is if Guba overthrows the Soviet government instead of Yeltsin in 91 and a new Stalinist type government emerges and tries to retake the former Warsaw pact countries back.
People who dont know how it is to live under a dictator (in worst case Stalin) dont understand the full horor of it. So no, it wouldnt be cool.
Yes it would.
From the OFP2-site:
Quote[/b] ]Authentic modern vehicles and equipment. Fly the latest military aircrafts and drive various vehicles in a wide variety of terrain
This sounds more like 'today' rather than 60-70's.
The A-10 came in '76.
When did the Bradley first make its appereance? mid-80's?
Has anyone got the site to load on 56k? I click the on button and nothing ever happens. All i get is a white bar.
Blink Dog
Dec 25 2003, 16:08
it even takes a while on cable, prob due to traffic and the server being located overseas.
Shadow NX
Dec 25 2003, 16:18
When i saw this new TV it already smelled fishy, after turning it on and seeing the screens i just had one though if they totally changed the idea behind ofp 2 and we now get a desert campaign where we play the us in a modern desert war then im pretty sure i wont buy it http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
I loved the cold war setting but now another US campaign and then some setting that smells like iraq... nothing for me
They should at least include a russian or soviet campaign also im still waiting for a OFP1 Addon for the russian side in Resistance Quality... Redhammer was a Codemasters product and you notice that its absolutely low quality Story and mission wise http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
I loved the cold war setting but now another US campaign and then some setting that smells like iraq... nothing for me
We don't know anything for sure about this yet, mate http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Blink Dog
Dec 25 2003, 17:56
I agree with Shadow NX, sticking with a cold war scenerio is the way to go. It was one of the reasons I got interested in OFP in the first place.
quicKsanD
Dec 25 2003, 18:44
Wow just visited the site again and something hit my eyes:
"the world has changed....pre-emptive action to ensure on-going stability"
The world has changed-it sure smells like 9/11
Pre-empive action-so this time you will be on the side that attacks lets say a country who is a threat for peace because it has maybe WMD http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif
I hope it`s not Iraq or Afghanistan..Not where the enemy is outnumberd,outgunned...Bah it`s to early to tell.. We are worrying to much..I am sure BIS won`t betray it`s fans and pop out with a comercial "War on terrorism" game..
Ah are those pics from OFP2 or VBS? Its a bit confusing i think and arent those pics of addons like BAS little birdies and INQ's A-10 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
just to correct you...
VBS1 doesnt looks like that VBS1 is looking like shit ( from what I heard from marines...)
So this is the real deal OFP2 is coming here http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
And to correct you, Suma stated about 3 months ago that they hadn't even started coding OFP2, so there is no way that those pics are taken from an OFP2 environment. Simply because it is not possible to code that much of a working environment that quickly... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Soul_Assassin
Dec 26 2003, 00:00
Ah are those pics from OFP2 or VBS? Its a bit confusing i think and arent those pics of addons like BAS little birdies and INQ's A-10 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
just to correct you...
VBS1 doesnt looks like that VBS1 is looking like shit ( from what I heard from marines...)
So this is the real deal OFP2 is coming here http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
And to correct you, Suma stated about 3 months ago that they hadn't even started coding OFP2, so there is no way that those pics are taken from an OFP2 environment. Simply because it is not possible to code that much of a working environment that quickly... http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
well Suma couldve said anything and not ment it. I see no reason to promote a product by putting up pictures of other products http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/unclesam.gif
Blink Dog
Dec 26 2003, 01:19
well Suma couldve said anything and not ment it. I see no reason to promote a product by putting up pictures of other products http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/unclesam.gif
Some of the work has to be done already, if they are looking at a 2005 release they would have to some some work done already. Resistance took a year to do and that was minor compared to a project like this. Also the work that has been done on the Xbox version has probebly been very helpful in implementing code for OFP2, so in effect some code work has been done.
NZXSHADOWS
Dec 26 2003, 01:41
why so picky?What ever it is going to be I want to get my hands on it.Dont you?
ozanzac
Dec 26 2003, 05:34
why so picky?What ever it is going to be I want to get my hands on it.Dont you?
Agreed. New units, updated engine, smoother graphics. That's nothing to complain about.
Besides, the community will mod it like it has with OFP 1. We'll make the game what we want it to be, the best damn kickass battlefield sim around. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Gollum1
Dec 26 2003, 08:22
why so picky?What ever it is going to be I want to get my hands on it.Dont you?
No.
But we'll wait and see...no point speculating now...but if it's war on terrorism, I swear to G**...
theavonlady
Dec 26 2003, 08:43
Let's be realistic.
New modern flat screen TV. Mentioning of VBS. Modern weapons pics. Africa is out. Europe and Asia stay in.
Could be terrorists. Could be another fictional campaign, such as good ol' Independence Lost.
I think BIS got wise that lots of people want new weapons - not older ones from the 60's. I have to admit I was surprised about the original plans for units from 30 years ago when it was first announced.
Some of the work has to be done already, if they are looking at a 2005 release they would have to some some work done already. Resistance took a year to do and that was minor compared to a project like this. Also the work that has been done on the Xbox version has probebly been very helpful in implementing code for OFP2, so in effect some code work has been done.
When I was there the 21st of October they had'nt done much on OFP2. Only a model here and a model there. Nothing to show. I said "May I ask about OFP2?". Marek's reply: "No, you can't. Too early to say. Too many things can change".
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I'm keeping my hopes for a modern up-to-date era in OFP2.
BIS still have'nt let the community down, have they? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Blink Dog
Dec 26 2003, 13:42
If thats the case than 2005 is too early, a 2006 release would be in order.
I agree that the mod community will pick up into areas that BIS will ignore but at the same time not many people will do cold war scenerios and groups that do will be under staffed. I will probebly get it thats not the issue, but I'm not sure if I will ever play the campaign if it consists of a War on Terror™ scenerio.
™ 2001-2003 Bush Administration
major gandhi
Dec 26 2003, 13:49
The heli looks like an upgraded Uh1n of the USMC and the island really looks like the one of BAS. However I think that BIS should primarily concentrate on improving the AI and the AI's ability for CQB. Moreover they should make it possible to influence/change the terrain in-game and to shoot out of vehicles.....
Why is there a picture of Sgt. Sanderson from Black Hawk Down in it? That seems like a rather pointless thing to shove in.
Anyway, there is no denying that OFP2 will make most/all other war sims look terrible. I mean, even OFP's engine is incredibly good. People will say "It has so many limitations!" but you can do just about anything with the OFP engine. Drive a car 4 miles across an island, jump out, shoot a few people and steal their helicopter, fly that another 5 miles, blow up some tanks, land, steal a tank, start blowing up stuff... There isn't many games where you can do this. Most games will have levels, and OFP gives you an entire set of islands to play with.
Anyway, let me stop rambling. I think OFP2 may have two eras. 'nam (which I don't really enjoy the idea of) and modern day/near future. I was never a big fan of Vietnam based games, mainly due to the fact that jungle warfare can get a bit repetitive. Also, tanks and other vehicles are far less effective, so no tank wars.
What is that with so many games developers? Just focusing around World War 2 and Vietnam. I've not seen one game based on the events in World War 1 or Korea. (My grandfather was annoyed at this too... he fought in Korea, and that war has basically been forgotten.)
Anyway, trying to not stray off topic... I think it'd be great to see people like BAS or Earl & Suchey, assisting with OFP2. I know I'd buy it.
I'm just hoping it's not tooooo modern. I.E. I don't want some land warrior system with gadgets and doodads all over. Nor do I want to use some bulky ass OICW. Call me old fashioned, buy I was hoping to have older infantry based weapons. But from the looks of it, if it does go modern, I'm hoping for a fictional conflict either now, or a few years ago. Not in the near future where this fancy crap is going to be integrated.
I'm just hoping it's not tooooo modern. I.E. I don't want some land warrior system with gadgets and doodads all over. Nor do I want to use some bulky ass OICW. Call me old fashioned, buy I was hoping to have older infantry based weapons. But from the looks of it, if it does go modern, I'm hoping for a fictional conflict either now, or a few years ago. Not in the near future where this fancy crap is going to be integrated.
I'd have to agree... The idea of the OICW just sucks IMHO...
A game based on the right here, right now (as in 2003/4) would be excellent, as you ave the mix of "high tech" with the SOPMOD program (things like IR pointers, lasers etc), yet still have the "older" sytems in common useage (like "plain jane" rifles with only iron sights etc).
Also, call me biased, but I think the current selection of real world equipment is at its best, with the whole range of different helicopters, tanks and wheeled vehicles being available to all sides, including vehicles with all the "bells and whistles" such as sat nav, radio comms etc... rather than all 3 services using the same truck, the same aircraft, the same cars etc. I like variation!!
hey Harnu. If it was set 30 yers ago in the 1970's. Rekon we could see the person in your Sig. Rick Harland of the USMC
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Batdog
hey Harnu. If it was set 30 yers ago in the 1970's. Rekon we could see the person in your Sig. Rick Harland of the USMC
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Batdog
He's my dad, so I think that would kick ass to see him in OFP2 http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif
ozanzac
Dec 27 2003, 07:51
Here's close up shots of what interests me most.
http://www.tacticalblunder.com/~uploads/ozanzac/image1.jpg
Now, have we seen this chopper anywhere in the VBS1 promos?
http://www.tacticalblunder.com/~uploads/ozanzac/image2.jpg
There's obviously a littlebird there, but I don't recognise any of the buildings there at all. VBS1 or OFP2?
Here's close up shots of what interests me most.
http://www.tacticalblunder.com/~uploads/ozanzac/image1.jpg
Now, have we seen this chopper anywhere in the VBS1 promos?
http://www.tacticalblunder.com/~uploads/ozanzac/image2.jpg
There's obviously a littlebird there, but I don't recognise any of the buildings there at all. VBS1 or OFP2?
They might just as well be pictures of VBS1. The website says it will be based on VBS-tech. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Besides, did'nt you read my previous post?
Postduifje
Dec 27 2003, 12:19
Great to see any news! Using wildlife is an excellent plan, and much suggested by the community. Even though we allready knew it, it's great to know they're listening. Also good news is that OFP2 will be based on VBS. That'll probably mean we'll see a more mature engine. Anything else is just speculation...
-Post
Jo Man Dragon
Dec 27 2003, 21:10
hey, call me nuts, but i'd like to see harnu's dad in ofp2
SpecOp9
Dec 29 2003, 19:22
I doubt very much those screens are from OFP2.
I would not know, but I just have the feeling those are not OFP2 screens...almost like the feeling i had when this was Vietnam based.
theavonlady
Dec 29 2003, 19:37
Yeh........................... they're most probably BAS addons on Tonal. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif
They're just trying to mess up our minds and souls....
"Will there be OFP2? There will be?... What's that?.... You say it's not coming?...."
"There will be OFP2!"
"It's Vietnam"
"NO! NO, It can't be, it musn't be, I wan't modern warfare!"
"HAH! It is Vietnam! I told you so!"
"What's this? They've changed the website! It's a flatscreen TV, and it says it's modern day stuff!"
"YEHA! Animals! Now I can go hunting!"
"But they said it's gonna be the 70s!"
Let's just wait for the game to finish or we'll end up in the headlines: "OFP gaming community locked away in mental institutions all over the world"
And I'm tired.
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thats all i get when i movie the top knob to the second notch :/ can somone save those screens and up them somwhere?
Check it here:
OFP2 Pictures (http://www.roughnecks.org/opgwc/qkg/OFP2.jpg)
those look more like an art pics but not in-game screenies....
NZXSHADOWS
Dec 30 2003, 00:26
All of this is pretty wild,not knowing what the hell is going on.But i Guess it makes it more interesting,Only time will tell i guess.oh and About that littleBird,If you have seen TOWs littlebird you would think it was the same.But its not.
SpecOp9
Dec 30 2003, 06:27
Lol, maybey they are gonna take all the MOD's addons and pack em all up.
"Here is OFP2 folks! Enjoy!"
Dunno what the hell it says, but there's still an old TV.
http://www.bistudio.cz/flashpoint2/
Well, most of eastern Europe is still recovering from the adverse effects of the iron curtain!
Changing channel on the new TV is a shitload easier, but I liked the old TV's novelty tuning. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Nuclear W
Jan 1 2004, 13:25
Call me stupid, but if its Europe and Asia they cant really do Iraq, can they?
My theory is its a Modern Day Cold War Crisis scenario, where for some reason (oil, coup?) the Russians start attacking Europe and Asia
International! Woo! If the Brits arent in it ill burn things! If the Brits arent in it and the French are ill get the gun!
Soul_Assassin
Jan 1 2004, 13:33
Sorry but ur stupid (u asked for it), Iraq is in mid asia (middle east as it is also called) http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif its not in africa if u were thinking it...
Nuclear W
Jan 1 2004, 13:51
No, but most ppl regard middle east as being its own "continent"
Or at least, we do in Newcastle http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
Meathead
Jan 1 2004, 15:16
I think u guys complain too much. If you want a Africa campaign then do it yourself. That is the true beauty of OFP and OFP 2 and why I love playing it so much. Being able to create my own missions and play with missions and addons that the community created is far more fun than any of the other games I play. Its the reason everyone here is still playing it.
Schoeler
Jan 2 2004, 05:34
When i saw this new TV it already smelled fishy, after turning it on and seeing the screens i just had one though if they totally changed the idea behind ofp 2 and we now get a desert campaign where we play the us in a modern desert war then im pretty sure i wont buy it http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
I loved the cold war setting but now another US campaign and then some setting that smells like iraq... nothing for me
Isn't this a somewhat ridiculous and short sighted statement from someone belonging to one of the premier mod teams in the OFP community?
It would be pedantic not to buy the new game, reason enough exists for people with your talent to buy it, simply to get their hands on the new engine, graphics and other capabilities. You of all people should be fully aware of what you should be able to do with the new game. You have the talent to turn it into whatever you want. Don't discount that fact in the name of some ridiculuos political aspersions.
Schoeler
Jan 2 2004, 05:43
If thats the case than 2005 is too early, a 2006 release would be in order.
I agree that the mod community will pick up into areas that BIS will ignore but at the same time not many people will do cold war scenerios and groups that do will be under staffed. I will probebly get it thats not the issue, but I'm not sure if I will ever play the campaign if it consists of a War on Terror™ scenerio.
™ 2001-2003 Bush Administration
Blink Dog, casting all political beliefs aside, can you name for me a military situation anywhere in the world today that is nearly 1/10 as exciting and chock full of scenario possibilities as the current war on terror?
Whether you like it or not, the U.S. has embarked on a military adventure involving the most cutting edge of equipment and tactics, against a seasoned and determined enemy and in all possible theatres of operation, with a whole host of international actors wrapped up in both sides. What could be more exciting than that? What too, could be more intriguing from a mass marketing standpoint?
BIS is out to sell games, period. They are going to go where the market wants them to go. That means offering an exciting and unparalleled product that appeals to modern game buyers sensibilities. We have a ton of unrealistic and crappy 'Nam and World War II games flooding the market. What we do not have is an ultra-realistic, modern-day combat simulation. At least not yet.
My own two cents:
I think it will be three threatres and three eras. Vietnam and Southeast Asia. Europe in a fictional Cold War 80's setting, and Africa and the Middle East in a modern day war on terror setting.
Don't forget that BIS has expanded from the team that put out OFP1. More employees means faster and more versatile work, especially considering they have a pretty good blueprint to start working from. OFP1 layed the groundwork, OFP2 is simply a lot of well needed and long desired polish.
Quote[/b] ]...and we now get a desert campaign where we play the us in a modern desert war then im pretty sure i wont buy it
I'll buy two copies http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif .
blackdog~
Jan 2 2004, 06:33
I think u guys complain too much. If you want a Africa campaign then do it yourself.
And that is why you are a meathead http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
theavonlady
Jan 2 2004, 07:00
I think u guys complain too much. If you want a Africa campaign then do it yourself.
And that is why you are a meathead http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
Then it should say so under his forum member name. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
colossus
Jan 2 2004, 10:13
This flashpoint2.com is better then the last one.
I almost got gusbumps http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif just thinking on OPF2.
And what is this ? Animals !! Cool !
This is getting better and better (and more realistic)
I MUST HAVE A DEMO SOON !!
Sadly we have to wait a whole year for this
Quote[/b] ]Winter 2004/2005 (!)
Blink Dog
Jan 2 2004, 18:00
Blink Dog, casting all political beliefs aside, can you name for me a military situation anywhere in the world today that is nearly 1/10 as exciting and chock full of scenario possibilities as the current war on terror?
Whether you like it or not, the U.S. has embarked on a military adventure involving the most cutting edge of equipment and tactics, against a seasoned and determined enemy and in all possible theatres of operation, with a whole host of international actors wrapped up in both sides. What could be more exciting than that? What too, could be more intriguing from a mass marketing standpoint?
BIS is out to sell games, period. They are going to go where the market wants them to go. That means offering an exciting and unparalleled product that appeals to modern game buyers sensibilities. We have a ton of unrealistic and crappy 'Nam and World War II games flooding the market. What we do not have is an ultra-realistic, modern-day combat simulation. At least not yet.
My own two cents:
I think it will be three threatres and three eras. Vietnam and Southeast Asia. Europe in a fictional Cold War 80's setting, and Africa and the Middle East in a modern day war on terror setting.
Don't forget that BIS has expanded from the team that put out OFP1. More employees means faster and more versatile work, especially considering they have a pretty good blueprint to start working from. OFP1 layed the groundwork, OFP2 is simply a lot of well needed and long desired polish.
Yeah exciting http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
If you were to accurately and realistically fight battles in a War on Terror™ mission you would have so much support available that it would be the quickest and most unexciting mission you could possibly have. A good enemy is one that has a chance in hell of fighting back.
I wouldn't use another current day real world war for the basis of my game. I would use a fictional one, it worked for them in the past why not keep to the same formula. The cold war had a balance between the two sides, east vs. west, Nato vs. Warsaw pact, USA vs. Soviet Union. I was hoping that they would do a campaign based on the Czech uprisings in 1968 as the European portion of the campaign origionally announced.
Schoeler
Jan 2 2004, 23:06
Yeah exciting http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
If you were to accurately and realistically fight battles in a War on Terror™ mission you would have so much support available that it would be the quickest and most unexciting mission you could possibly have. A good enemy is one that has a chance in hell of fighting back.
I wouldn't use another current day real world war for the basis of my game. I would use a fictional one, it worked for them in the past why not keep to the same formula. The cold war had a balance between the two sides, east vs. west, Nato vs. Warsaw pact, USA vs. Soviet Union. I was hoping that they would do a campaign based on the Czech uprisings in 1968 as the European portion of the campaign origionally announced.
C'mon now. There is more to the war on terror than high altitude airstrikes. Think about all the specops actions in the mountains in Pakistan. The urbabn raids that you never see or hear about. The fighting in the Phillipine jungles and in South America. And, while it wasn't a part of the war on terror until recently (thanks Georgie), the influx of terror groups into the Iraqi quagmire has made life for American servicemen a nightmare. So far, the opposition seems to be able to inflct casualties on a pretty equal basis. There are a lot of scenario possibilities spinning off of that war. Just use your imagination.
Blink Dog
Jan 2 2004, 23:59
Still not convinced, if they do go with the War on Terror™ campaign than it's a cheap, uncreative sellout. If they create a fictional modern campaign, like if the Soviet Union never collapsed and Guba is running things than that would be acceptable.
Quote[/b] ]So far, the opposition seems to be able to inflct casualties on a pretty equal basis.
Uh... right. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
Blink Dog is right, War on Terror is no good for a game like OFP, based around large scale military conflict. They seem to be following the terror angle, I just wonder if they'll fictionalise some Arab country to blow the shit out of or if they'll maybe do a US lead Western invasion of North Korea allied with China, West vs group of random Arab countries but then you'll have to include Israel, probably even more politically sensitive than including Iraq.
They'll probably just make up a conflict, and use the terror angle to sell it. Actual game may have very little to do with WoT *crosses fingers*, after all, all we're seeing is an initial flash mock-up.
How about WoT missions from the OPFOR perspective http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif ?
Schoeler
Jan 3 2004, 18:06
How about WoT missions from the OPFOR perspective http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif ?
Hey what'd'ya know, a man with an imagination!
Currently in Iraq, the opposition inflicts 2-3 KIA a day. The U.S. isn't killing nearly that many insurgents as they have to conduct peacekeeping operations. This would make for some pretty tricky scenarios in OFP2. Conducting house to house sweeps for insurgents, never knowing which door being kicked in has a firefight or boobytrap waiting behind it. Patrolling streets and villages just waiting for that first rpg round to impact. I swear, you guys must be really dull in the creativity department if you can't see the mission possibilities here. You could play both sides and never get tired of playing the campaign.
blackdog~
Jan 3 2004, 18:58
It would really suck to be randomly blown up by roadside bombs http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Friedchiken
Jan 3 2004, 22:52
Well, couldn't we have a Korean War conflict? Even though N Korea is a developing country (please don't point at the oxymoron) they put ridiculous amounts of attention into the military. And not all S Koreans are nerds these days. I read that the border guards are pretty hi-strung as well.
Plus Asian countries put up vicious fights (especially Vietnam). The firepower and the war philosopies that follow the Asian world would completely rock the American campaign. To bad Japan couldn't be involved. Their constitution makes them sitting ducks in such a conflict.
Hellfish6
Jan 3 2004, 23:25
Plus Asian countries put up vicious fights (especially Vietnam). The firepower and the war philosopies that follow the Asian world would completely rock the American campaign. To bad Japan couldn't be involved. Their constitution makes them sitting ducks in such a conflict.
I think that if the balloon went up, Japan would get involved in the air and sea, but maybe not with land forces. South Korea is vitally important to Japan, and a communist-controlled peninsula armed with long range missiles and WMDs would pose a serious threat to Japan and her sea lines of communication.
Friedchiken
Jan 4 2004, 02:49
Hmm, probably.
I mean, the (japanese) Army/Marine branch commited 99% of the atrocities (going into the details entails a good banning, http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif lol in a dark way) during WWII. And a Korean War is self defence...
Kim Jong may be a madman but that doesn't mean the Koreans (both sides) would show stupidity when kicking each others butts. The "Night Patrols" by both sides show how both countries violate the border daily (though not in a serious way).
Quote[/b] ]It would really suck to be randomly blown up by roadside bombs
Then play on the OPFOR and detonate the bombs http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/blues.gif .
How about WoT missions from the OPFOR perspective http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif ?
Hey that'd be great!
I reckon the game would sell like gangbusters, especially amongst those against the american military adventures of late.
Shit, if the marines can come up with Virtual Battlefield Systems, I'm sure some terrorist group or someone from the axis of evil can come up with Virtual Terrorism Systems. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif
Too long has the field of virtual reality military training been dominated by westerners. It's about time a level playing field was extended to all fighting in todays conflicts. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Nice thinking BIS, are you sure your not in the Carlyle Group http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Edit: After a little deep thought, Wow. If you really let your mind go. This could potentially be the most politically incorrect (or correct) game of the 2000's. Probably not the best sought of game for the OFP engine, but bloody hell. I'll tell you what, if someone were to market a game like this, with a dash of 'Calvin and Hobbs' type of imagination, it'd be a worldwide hit and could actually be used to enlighten some people about political blunders in the past, and why terrorists even exist at all.
Go figure.
I wonder if Michael Moore wants to enter the domain of gaming?
Friedchiken
Jan 4 2004, 15:29
well, I think political incorrectness would be damaging part for the game but I still think that would be interesting.
The problem is that in many conflicts is that children are used to help terrorism wars many times. They place bombs, inform on the "opfor" and in some of the most extreme cases shoot the guns from the hip because they are so small.
I've read someone writing on this forum that they believe children shouldn't have anything to do with a wargame. The reality is that underdog fighters in developing areas resort to many things and breach many moral codes like opium smoking (though many warlord clans in Afganistan do refrain from such basic taboos).
But yeah, I would be interested in such an OPFOR campaign if it was done in a mature and realistic way. Definately if the opfor was North Korea http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif Their mountians are beautiful!
EDIT:: Shoot, I was going to talk about how many fighters are fighting for things like "honor" and how many are avenging lost property and dead family members. Some of the guys actually make some sense. But of course we still have to mow them down because they want to drive us out of you-know-where http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
Yeah exciting http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
If you were to accurately and realistically fight battles in a War on Terror™ mission you would have so much support available that it would be the quickest and most unexciting mission you could possibly have. A good enemy is one that has a chance in hell of fighting back.
I wouldn't use another current day real world war for the basis of my game. I would use a fictional one, it worked for them in the past why not keep to the same formula. The cold war had a balance between the two sides, east vs. west, Nato vs. Warsaw pact, USA vs. Soviet Union. I was hoping that they would do a campaign based on the Czech uprisings in 1968 as the European portion of the campaign origionally announced.
C'mon now. There is more to the war on terror than high altitude airstrikes. Think about all the specops actions in the mountains in Pakistan. The urbabn raids that you never see or hear about. The fighting in the Phillipine jungles and in South America. And, while it wasn't a part of the war on terror until recently (thanks Georgie), the influx of terror groups into the Iraqi quagmire has made life for American servicemen a nightmare. So far, the opposition seems to be able to inflct casualties on a pretty equal basis. There are a lot of scenario possibilities spinning off of that war. Just use your imagination.
Christ! http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif I totally disagree with you Schoeler.
War on terrorism is an INCREDIBLY low-intensity conflict compared to any scenario involving two countries (or NATO-USSR...drool), all those spec ops you speak of, they MASSACRE the opposition, you might as well play Soldier of Fortune 2, for crying out loud!
How are you going to fight on the other side? Woohoo, my team of 20 managed to wound 2 Americans before an airstrike wiped us out. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
The only way you could create a belieavable opposition is to creat a Brotherhood of NOD-type force (from C&C).
Goodbye realism!
There are already a complete assload of anti-terrorism spec op games, Delta Force series, Rainbow Six series, America's Army, SOCOM, the list goes on...
I agree with Blinkdog. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Edit: It would completely negate the idea of OFP.
Friedchiken
Jan 4 2004, 17:47
Call me redundant, but I still think fighting in Korea would be an awsome take on the war on terror.
Imagine, the Americans become really stupid and invade the north with aid of the south and get beat back by the enraged patriots of communism. There is a rediculous variety of terrain from snow to desert. And even though North Korea is starving, their military has been long over-pumped with misplaced funding, making the opposition brutal
N.Korea, part of the war on terror?
So all U.S enemies = terrorists? http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
Maybe you didn't mean it that way. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
Friedchiken
Jan 4 2004, 18:03
No, N korea isn't a terrorist nation.
The citizens will attest to that.
PS: What I mean was that it would be a way to exploit the current fevors but as a surprise, North Korea would put out such a huge fight that they would kick the US's butts.
It would put out moral that arrogance is self-destructive.
Maybe the end is that there would be another stalemate, supported by other nations but the only reason why the US will survive in the game is that european and asian countries help out politically and economically.
My country would then eat assloads of humble pie
(sorry for the wierd take, I'm a 2nd generation immigrant)
Blink Dog
Jan 5 2004, 06:33
A North Korea senerio would be better, china might come to north Koreas aid or decide to swallow up Taiwan while the Yanks are fighting in Korea. The terain would also make air and armour support less of a factor in the battles and that in turn would create a natural game balance.
A really cool senerio would be the Russians move into Estonia and the Finnish government retaliates to aid their Estonian brothers, the Swedes smelling a easy and cheap victory decide to side with the Russians and invade Finland.
Meanwhile in Canada I become dictator, kick Mats Sundin out of the country and bar him from playing hockey and send JTF2 on missions to blow up Ikea stores. Sweden then sends a naval taskforce towards Canada forcing the U.S to destroy the task force in classic Tom Clancy style while a small group of drunken Finnish hunters manage to burn Stockholm to the ground.
RalphWiggum
Jan 5 2004, 07:00
while a small group of drunken Finnish hunters manage to burn Stockholm to the ground.
i support this scenario. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/smile_o.gif
Nothin in stockholem anyway. I think http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
Burn it too the ground. Send the city of Snow to the fire hell. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif
My grandfather served in the drunken finnish hunter legion.
Judge Rabbi
Jan 5 2004, 12:50
There should be an option to slow the text down...well if there is one then I missed it. I can't read that fast!
Nothin in stockholem anyway. I think http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
Burn it too the ground. Send the city of Snow to the fire hell. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif
The City of Stockholm (http://www.stockholm.se/templates/template_121.asp)
English option up to the right http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wink_o.gif
And you might as well call New York the City of Snow, since...it does snow both there and in Stockholm in the winter. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif
Heh, sorry for the OT.
theavonlady
Jan 7 2004, 17:09
And you might as well call New York the City of Snow, since...it does snow both there and in Stockholm in the winter. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif
I always regarded NY as the city of slush.
hmm, i have a feeling it would be a bad move to do a war on terror style game, especially if able to play the OPFOR, it will get shunned and uptight politicians will whinge and everything will get a bit sticky.
Quote[/b] ]hmm, i have a feeling it would be a bad move to do a war on terror style game, especially if able to play the OPFOR, it will get shunned and uptight politicians will whinge and everything will get a bit sticky.
Well, perhaps a mod where you can play as the OPFOR. I will leave my political tendencies behind to enjoy a fun game of blowing American Humvees through the air like corks out of champagne bottles http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/unclesam.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/blues.gif .
You can watch the telly if you wan't 'WoT'.
It's the same as reality shows, Jeesus! I hate them, I truly hate them. Call me a recluse without the will to change, but that's all you see nowadays. What happened to the old fashioned 100% fabricated series?! On to topic... Well same goes. We might be looking at a game where the gun will shoot for the person holding the gun, electronics decide what will be shot, aid you to shoot the helpless person, fighting honorably for his country, from 500m in the dark night with perfect clarity. Disgusting.
The only thing that tastes like war is when you yourself have a part to say in it. You have a simple ironsight, co behind you screaming orders when some hundred enemy soldiers creep towards you. F**k I'd take on any US spec op with a ukkopekka and mow them down. All I need to do is to be freaking friends with Scotty so he can beam me behind the guy.
Old fashioned warfare is what I wan't to see, it's a way to shed light and educate... Oh and you can go to your nations defence forces/army to play with the modern stuff, if your lucky. No need to make a game out of it.
Hellfish6
Jan 8 2004, 22:06
What would you guys think of something like 5 different small campaigns?
One campaign would be a Russian invasion of Norway, with you participating in a battle in the arctic, another one in a small Norweigan town, and another one in a fjord.
Next campaign could be a Pakistani-Indian battle in Kashmir. One battle would be a tank action on a himalayam plain, another a guerilla hunt in the mountains, the third a trench-warfare type battle.
And so on
In each campaign, you'd only need a handful of units.
I like this idea because it provides a skeleton for modding. So in the Norweigan campaign, we'll get maybe 5 different Norweigan soldier models, all the basic Norweigan small arms, maybe a Leopard 1 in Norweigan markings and a Norweigan UH-1. You'd also get a couple of Russian winter soldiers, a winterized BMP-2, a winterized T-80U, maybe Russian naval infantry models, etc. Addon makers can later go into all other kinds of detail, but from the start you'd have a way to fight in an exotic location with relatively authentic vehicles and weapons. We wouldn't have to wait a year or two for the modding tools to be released before we got a quality map that is unique. We'd have a winter map, we'd have an island map, we'd have a desert map, we'd have a mountain map, a city map, etc. And since it's OFP, they'd all probably be really really big maps too.
Essentially, you'd get a survey of places and countries built onto a detailed combat simulation. Addon makers and mission makers can create the detail later on.
I had this idea while reading a book about a hypothetical NATO-Pact war that focused on everywhere but central Europe. So one chapter would be the war in Thrace and I thought it would be fun to fight in Greece among the limestone hills and whitewashed villages. The next chapter would be in Norway, and I thought it would be fun to fight in the alpine tundra, fjords and seaside villages.
Blink Dog
Jan 9 2004, 02:19
That would be more interesting, they would have to be scenerios in which there is some balance. I'd still prefer the cold war though. But I'll wait and see, I just hope it is not a situation where we have to listen to Geo Bush speaches and fight under armed guerillas.
NavyEEL
Jan 10 2004, 13:56
i like hellfish's idea, and i hope something similar to that will be implemented. i also hope this does not turn into a war on terror type game, although i DO hope it will have modern units as opposed to the vietnam era. the whole war on terror is so real and devastating, and the fact that it is still occuring would make it weird to play a game based on it, especially if able to play as the opfor.
i think what made the original flashpoint great is that it was a "what-if" scenario. while based on the cold war, there was never an actual war that broke out between the USSR and the USA, and i think that is why nobody has a problem playing the game. however, when games start becoming real current events that involve real casualties on both sides, i think it gets hard to play them without thinking of the real people who are losing lives. i much rather prefer the "what if" scenarios. besides, it lets you come up with your own story http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
hardrock
Jan 10 2004, 14:14
I totally agree with you, NavyEEL !
I also like the idea of exotic places, that would be very interesting, while in OFP the islands are quite similar to each other
Friedchiken
Jan 10 2004, 16:35
Even with modern weapons, a fight with North Korea would still be devastating. The koreas have decent weapontry and are less afraid of death than the Americans. The soldiers are trained and can deal heavy casualties if a war broke out. Sure more North Koreans be absolutely slaughtered but their ability to effectively swarm a position as shown in the earlier war cause extreme pain. If you like mechanized infrantry attacks, North Korea seems to be spending tons of money into many military sectors.
Special Ops talk about the deadlyness of being surrounded. How about when your enemies can actually shoot and have artillery support http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif
Hellfish6
Jan 10 2004, 18:47
Even with modern weapons, a fight with North Korea would still be devastating. The koreas have decent weapontry and are less afraid of death than the Americans. The soldiers are trained and can deal heavy casualties if a war broke out. Sure more North Koreans be absolutely slaughtered but their ability to effectively swarm a position as shown in the earlier war cause extreme pain. If you like mechanized infrantry attacks, North Korea seems to be spending tons of money into many military sectors.
Special Ops talk about the deadlyness of being surrounded. How about when your enemies can actually shoot and have artillery support http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif
They don't have decent weaponry. They don't even have many BMP-1s. They have a handful of T-72s, but most of their tanks are still T-62s and T-55s. I think they have 12 MiG-29s, with the rest of their air force composed of MiG-19s, MiG-21s and some MiG-23s. North Korea doesn't have tons of money to spend on feeding their people, let alone buying the newest and greatest weaponry. Hell, did you know that the US spends more money on providing food and medical support to North Korea than any other country in Asia?
The problem with the North Koreans is that there are so many of them (one million sitting right on the DMZ plus about three million more reservists), they are very fanatical (having been effectively brainwashed their whole lives to believe that the US soldier eat Korean children and uses the South for slaves, etc.) and they have lots and lots of artillery. Lots of it. With many millions of rounds of ammunition.
Quote[/b] ]The problem with the North Koreans is that there are so many of them (one million sitting right on the DMZ plus about three million more reservists), they are very fanatical (having been effectively brainwashed their whole lives to believe that the US soldier eat Korean children and uses the South for slaves, etc.) and they have lots and lots of artillery. Lots of it. With many millions of rounds of ammunition.
And there's no way to take out that artillery without some/a lot of it being fired first (And civilians getting slaughtered by the shelling).
Friedchiken
Jan 11 2004, 02:11
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif whoops, sorry. I suck. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
Looks like you guys know more than I do. I kinda formed my opinions from a National Geographic article on the DMZ (but I thought I saw a picture of a parade). Edit: Doh! it was China http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/sad_o.gif
http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/ghostface.gif I shall procede to eat my humble pie along with the tin that comes with it.
Edit2:: thinking back I should eat the oven too http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/wow_o.gif
DracoPaladore
Jan 15 2004, 01:40
I don't remember any brainwashing effects written in the article. I have it on my desk, but I don't remember anything on the North Koreans being brainwashed.
Baron Hurlothrumbo IIX
Jan 15 2004, 01:42
brainwashed people don't know they are brainwashed; look at any cult (or religion)
Friedchiken
Jan 15 2004, 15:14
Reading the article, it seemed the brainwashing is half-way.
North Koreans show a little pride in their country but most of thier bias comes from their dislike of being called evil themselves.
I think the worst problem is that they trust democratic countries 0% of the time.
umm...did I miss something? For 20 mins now I've been reading a bit here, and all I see is people talking about ofp2 won't be nam because they've seen a picture "from" OFP2 which was of a ranger, or that they read something at flashpoint2.com saying that OFP2 will have all the newest weapons etc...last I heard OFP2 will have 3 theatres or what they called it.. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/tounge_o.gif and the main one would be nam...so, that means that there still are 2 theatres which can be about anything...so...am I wrong, or are there ANY proof at all that OFP2 won't be nam?
Garcia
ozanzac
Jan 24 2004, 02:31
My bet is that there will still be three individual theatres of operations. Note that on the TV set there are three empty channels. Perhaps these are to be based like channel one, as a news broadcast, with each of the empty channels devoted to a theatre. http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/rock.gif http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/biggrin_o.gif
NZXSHADOWS
Jan 24 2004, 03:29
Maybe they threw in Independence Lost in.
Maybe they threw in Independence Lost in.
"Delayed until after OFP2", remember? But maybe they changed their minds...
I think to simulate the CWC feeling you should have a "what if" scenario. If Communist russia had survived then invaded in 1995 for some reason
or what about what if isreal had joined in the gulf war?
apparently they were gonna do something that I cant remember if they were hit by scuds, I think it had smething to do with them nearl;y starting WW3 between the west and all of the middle east http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
theavonlady
Feb 8 2004, 10:19
or what about what if isreal had joined in the gulf war?
apparently they were gonna do something that I cant remember if they were hit by scuds, I think it had smething to do with them nearl;y starting WW3 between the west and all of the middle east http://forums.bistudio.com/oldsmileys/crazy_o.gif
Naughty boy! You haven't been taking your ginkogin supplents lately.
Had Israel joined the 1991 Gulf War, the Arab members of the coalition would have withdrawn their support.
Israel threatened to respond should the scuds turn out to be non-coventional. None of them were.
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