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Devil

Nov 27 2001, 02:54

I can't take it anymore! The intimidation by Bohemia and Codemasters! They go to work everyday but haven't told us anything about the SDK! Come on! I have spent about an hour looking for program or any other content related to editor Operation Flashpoint and I am going insane!

All I am asking for is a little news. Oh and could you update your site at least once a month? It has been over 3 months since any updates.

Now I don't mean to whine, but my appetite for the SDK is now my hunger!

Rifleman

Nov 27 2001, 03:17

amen

Suma

Nov 27 2001, 09:50

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All I am asking for is a little news. Oh and could you update your site at least once a month? It has been over 3 months since any updates.
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Are you talking about www.flashpoint1985.com site? As far as I know, last update there was Scripting reference two weeks ago.

YoungBob

Nov 27 2001, 09:53

Heh and these guys still aint tellin'

Dawdler

Nov 27 2001, 09:54

A question answered by a question. Thats BIS to us http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Still need news on modkit.

Unl33t

Nov 27 2001, 10:08

Devil calm down.

You will spend all this time howling for info on a SDK and you might get a reply like this from BIS.

"There will be no SDK"
Then you will die of a heart attack.

theavonlady

Nov 27 2001, 10:26

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Suma on 1:50 pm on Nov. 27, 2001

Are you talking about www.flashpoint1985.com site? As far as I know, last update there was Scripting reference two weeks ago.
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What a tease! What a tease!

Sentinel

Nov 27 2001, 11:52

In an interview we did with Viktor Bocan a while back he basically said there would never be an SDK as such, just alot of help files and small tools BIS have used to prepare models and maps.

YoungBob

Nov 27 2001, 12:46

I dont think BIS will give up the SDK as long as add-ons and extras will continue to make them money, as OFP is still hot property. Fair play to them.

CADman[GUN]

Nov 27 2001, 13:40

After 4 years + making the game I wouldnt put out the tools for free so everyone can change it. Like they say just look what you can do in the editor eg campaigns etc.

(just backup your user folder) http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

YoungBob

Nov 27 2001, 14:02

Its torture from a modders point of view though :-)
A model import/export plugin for max wouldnt hurt for now...

Nov 27 2001, 14:03

if no SDK, I want WSS plugin/converter and PolyView or whatever they call it http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Dawdler

Nov 27 2001, 14:06

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Sentinel on 2:52 pm on Nov. 27, 2001
In an interview we did with Viktor Bocan a while back he basically said there would never be an SDK as such, just alot of help files and small tools BIS have used to prepare models and maps.
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Questions assuming we dont get an SDK:
WHY would we need help files? And if so, for what use?
WHY would we need to PREPARE models and maps? We need to MAKE them. And to do that we need an SDK!

Konyak

Nov 27 2001, 14:16

They will release the SDK when we all start spelling Czeck correctly in our whine posts http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Cszec... no. Check! ..no.

You see? Der vill neever bee an Esz Dee Kay, my friend http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Seriously, I respect their wish to not give away the secrets of their masterpiece at such an early time. However, if they do plan on releasing a model and terrain editor, or converter, which they have implied they would, then I will be content with that, and would very much like to hear when we could expect it.
That way, at least the mod guys who already have a lot of work vested into models, can keep working knowing that it is all not in vain.

Over to you Ondrej http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Konyak.

762WorldOrder

Nov 27 2001, 14:23

Czech. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

The Blind Sniper

Nov 27 2001, 14:40

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Suma on 1:50 am on Nov. 28, 2001
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All I am asking for is a little news. Oh and could you update your site at least once a month? It has been over 3 months since any updates.
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Are you talking about www.flashpoint1985.com site? As far as I know, last update there was Scripting reference two weeks ago.
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They avoid the subject a bit, don't they.

Suma

Nov 27 2001, 15:22

There are no news about SDK. We are still to busy with patches and general documentation to be able to think about releasing modelling and other tools soon.

We cannot not release any "model import/export plugin", as we do not have any.

YoungBob

Nov 27 2001, 15:49

Does this mean the 'object builder' does more than just build models? Can you load in raw vertice/point data so we can use other tools to make the models?

Jonstyle

Nov 28 2001, 09:51

Well if YOU dont, who the #### has??

Dawdler

Nov 28 2001, 10:08

The allmighty computer deity Pixel?

Suma

Nov 28 2001, 10:18

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Jonstyle on 12:51 pm on Nov. 28, 2001
Well if YOU dont, who the #### has??
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Nobody. We did not use 3DStudio MAX for modelling.

Supah

Nov 28 2001, 13:00

They used a self-made program for it. Which most likely cost them allot of time and money to develop. Why should they just hand their hard work over for free? Mb like Unreal Tournaments level editor... put it on the game cd and charge extra.... just a thought

Dawdler

Nov 28 2001, 13:07

Good idea. The problem is that I believe its to late for that... But I would have gladly paid double expansion price if it had the tools on it. Think on all the money BIS and CM will not get now...

Exocet Argentino

Nov 28 2001, 13:46

taken from the ofpeditingcenter Forum post by m79 , i think it's a great idea : "What if we nominate someone who is a well respected in the OFP communite , who also has contact with BIS , to submit a list of the most
asked for addons. We have a couple of people(I will nominate myself as one) put together the list from the players to give to the spokeperson and then He/She sends it into BIS. We would then have a clear channel to BIS and we would also find out what the chances are of us ever seeing the units/weapons in
an upgrade.

We could have say the 10 most popular units and 10 most popular weapons/systems made up from the submissions of the community. 1 list per player of say no more then 15-20 items.
At least this way there would be a list that would be the most popular wishes and we could see if it could go somewhere with BIS."

Konyak

Nov 28 2001, 14:14

Exocet, that may give us some addons that we would like, but imagine if there wasn't a mission editor. We all know the freedom of it, and that is what we want in the models and terrain. Not because we imagine it could be cool, but we HAVE had it in other games. Games that have nothing like the possibilities of OFP. Getting 10 addons more will do nothing to quell the hunger of the community.
This game is about freedom, it's in the gameplay, it's in the mission editor. Not being able to have all the freedom it offers, is simply driving the creative minds among us, bonkers!
I for one would pay for these tools, and I know many would. Has BIS considered this option?

Konyak

Scooby

Nov 28 2001, 14:40

Voting wouldnt work because idiot population is so big.

Though if voting would be done from certain preselected group of units which would have been chosen by somewhat reasonable people.

King Kong

Nov 28 2001, 15:06

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Scooby on 5:40 pm on Nov. 28, 2001
Voting wouldnt work because idiot population is so big.

Though if voting would be done from certain preselected group of units which would have been chosen by somewhat reasonable people.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I agree, just like those idiots who wanted a Steyr or G36 in ofp
Remember this is not cunterstrike
I'm getting sick of these "ELLO 733t BIS DUDES I WANT A SA80 AND A LYNX M8's" threads.

Exocet Argentino

Nov 28 2001, 15:07

interview with MArek Spanel:
.....There's no final plan's about the SDK - we will consider what tools to reveal to the community and how to best to it.....
Marek Spanel think:
Red Hammer = u$s......... house editor
blue screwdriver =u$s........... tutorial "how create a new sound"
yellow cutter = u$s........ animated gif editor...

Me, as a lot of fans, I´m able to pay for an expansion with new foreign units, but not for new misions with the same units.I can create new misions,i can download a new misions from internet totally free, why should we pay for an expansion with misions like the ones I make?

Exocet Argentino

Nov 28 2001, 16:34

if most of the people that buy the game is stupid, so it´s a game for stupids, and stupids are the people who make BIS to earn a lot of money, not you!

AKM74

Nov 28 2001, 18:09

"General documentation" about what? Can you be more specific?

You can also sell "SDK" (don’t know how you guys call it) thru Internet, or your site as download, like you did with “red hummer”. I sure there will be a lot of peoples who will buy it.

AKM74

Nov 28 2001, 18:14

(Edited by AKM74 at 10:01 pm on Nov. 28, 2001)

Antichrist

Nov 28 2001, 21:02

I think that voting system might work if only certain people are allowed to vote. For example only admins of OFP web-sites or moderators of big forums

GFX707

Nov 28 2001, 21:26

As long as they just ignore all of this

'I want a Huey' and 'I want another helicopter for the West side that adds absolutely no new dimension to the game but it would be cool for my specops' or 'give us xxx new US vehicle because the Russian counterpart is more powerful' kind of shyte

what we need, as I have said a hundred million times before, is something that adds a new element of gameplay to OFP, such as fortresses and bunkers (so that we can have a decent defend/assault mission) or artillery or sidearms (last two are not ideas I particularly care for but think are good ideas for the reasons above) so THINK ABOUT IT all of you idiots of the OFP community

Random

Nov 28 2001, 22:12

Maybe people want those extra weapons and vehicles so they can make realistic missions. Just because they don't fit with the original Op Flashpoint game doesn't mean they aren't useful for home-made missions.

BlindDeath

Nov 28 2001, 22:37

why does everyone want the SDK so badly???

try and go to another games offical forum and ask for their offical tools so you could "re-design" their game

Devil

Nov 28 2001, 23:06

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Suma on 12:50 pm on Nov. 27, 2001
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All I am asking for is a little news. Oh and could you update your site at least once a month? It has been over 3 months since any updates.
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Are you talking about www.flashpoint1985.com site? As far as I know, last update there was Scripting reference two weeks ago.
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Alright, Bohemia site is OK.
But I mean, at least post some real game screenshots! Not beta shots. I'm not whining or demanding, I'm just saying that it's pretty strange to see this on the Codemasters site:

http://www.codemasters.com/flashpoint/tactical/shots/boats/russian.jpg

The interview with some Codemasters executive means nothing since CM didn't really do any work on the game, just published it.

Another thing, is I wish Bohemia would provide more support for the ever-growing fan community, such as perhaps an addons site or ANY kind of tools! Just anything you have lying around.

Devil

Nov 28 2001, 23:08

Furthermore, I like how your site is designed, it's very original, but update screenshots, please http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Also, why don't you answer some popular questions, such as what happened to the LST?

Nov 29 2001, 00:38

To busy creating lots of goody's for me and my missions which i never release cause i have no web space.

eyes

Nov 29 2001, 01:18

I guess they must be very busy working on the next patch (which everyone wants not just a minority).
Most dev. teams are only just in double figures so it's not like they're likely to have spare man hours.

It can be frustrating waiting for editing addons (how long was it before the editor button on their website worked!) but give it time and I'm sure it will all come together.

oh and about the lst, I'd like a FULL FAQ explaining all the little things like the lst, no side arms, the throw weapon command, etc... Just to clear them up once and for all.

angrysquirrel

Nov 29 2001, 03:32

Thanks for the update!! BTW, you guys ROOOOCK!!!! And thanks for checkin in with us. This is why I go to the BIS site instead of the Codemasters site. Mwwhwhahahahahahah! http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Devil

Nov 30 2001, 02:56

See? Bohemia still won't reply ...

Sid

Nov 30 2001, 04:01

Devil, you are Totaly Right... BIS, as musch as I wuv you guys, I'm leaving.

I quite.

I'm just fed up with all this.. (Can't swear.. Tis not like me)

...I wounder why they don't answer us, they listen, but do not answer, and if they reply, that is proof.
-They take in some of our ideas, but almost always never reply...

I'm not saying I'm leaving the foumrs.. and I'm not saying I'm abandoning OFP... I'm saying... Ah, screw it, i don't even know what I'm saying anymore.. lol!

-Probably, the evil forces of BIS!!

theavonlady

Nov 30 2001, 04:41

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Sid on 8:01 am on Nov. 30, 2001
Devil, you are Totaly Right... BIS, as musch as I wuv you guys, I'm leaving.

I quit.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Then you'll never be a maniac.

Sid

Nov 30 2001, 06:04

lol, I guess your right.

fixOPFsoundsplease

Nov 30 2001, 07:58

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Suma on 6:22 pm on Nov. 27, 2001
There are no news about SDK. We are still to busy with patches and general documentation to be able to think about releasing modelling and other tools soon.

We cannot not release any "model import/export plugin", as we do not have any.

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You guys need to release an Editor upgrade, with tons of mission 'templates' and in-editor scripts that make more happen for less work in the editor!

Thanks (also, the Editor docs, a total Document with its scope covering every possible function, would be perfect - could sell as a book)

Brentk

Nov 30 2001, 16:57

ok we best get off suma's nuts, the ofp team obviously doesnt

Brentk

Nov 30 2001, 16:59

ok we best get off suma's nuts, the ofp team obviously doesnt want anyone to be able to have much fun with ofp, they just want us to buy it, get mad at it, and then download or buy thier updates which "fix" the previous problems... right.... and the sdk, well they say they are going to release it to attract more buyers, people see the possibilities of the mods (like invasion1944) and think "i gotta get this game" but little do they know that codemasters/ BIS isnt gonna release this mo fo

Devil

Dec 1 2001, 03:12

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from fixOPFsoundsplease on 10:58 am on Nov. 30, 2001
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Suma on 6:22 pm on Nov. 27, 2001
There are no news about SDK. We are still to busy with patches and general documentation to be able to think about releasing modelling and other tools soon.

We cannot not release any "model import/export plugin", as we do not have any.

[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

You guys need to release an Editor upgrade, with tons of mission 'templates' and in-editor scripts that make more happen for less work in the editor!

Thanks (also, the Editor docs, a total Document with its scope covering every possible function, would be perfect - could sell as a book)
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You can do 1000x as much with new models!

Devil

Dec 2 2001, 06:57

BUMP

fixOPFsoundsplease

Dec 2 2001, 07:24

Not the same thing, you must be confused http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

For now I think my request is somewhat "Realistic"

Yah.

FoxOFP

Dec 2 2001, 08:40

Razor635

Dec 2 2001, 14:14

Man what a bunch of whiners. No wonder they dont replay who would want to.

Yes i too would like to see an SDK.

What i would like more is improved net code and more bug fixes. an SDK wont do any good unless peoble quit falling out of thier choppers for no reason.

And quit whining if they telease SDK Awesome. If they dont there is still a ton of untapped potential.

quakergamer

Dec 2 2001, 21:34

Hmmm, if they can't release a P3D Exporter well we should stop saying that we want an SDK, they won't be any =(.

Im using 3DsMax4 and I've found an exporter (p3d) for Max 3. So, I may try to export models but why would I buy an older version of 3DsMax .... ??