VBS -Explain.

[Sid]

This new game that is coming out, VBS, I have a few questions I hope you don't mind answering for me:

-Will this take another 5 years to develope? (lol)
-Hmm, these graphics look awfully Familiar, hey, will this be for OFP? (Goto thier main page and look at there 3rd Picture, THATS OFP'S WATER!!)
-I do realize this game takes place in 1885, but why'd you make all the good stuff for VBS?


-And why are you developing the game on the OFP Engine? I can see how, it's free to you, and the enoumous amount of freedom.. but still, why?

(If you notice the jet in picutre 3 on thier site, the water they show is OFP's water!)



Please explain to me this game, for I am curous, and I'll listen.

[Damage Inc]

It's a military simulator for the military.

[NoToRiouS]

I don't think VBS is a game. It's a combat simulation for military use only. Maybe we'll see some stuff from it implemented in OFP(2??). They took the Steyr-Aug from it already. But I don't think it's ment to be released for all to buy

NoToR out

[Die Alive]

There's the RTS game, Real War out now, that was developed for the US Military, and now it's out for the public.  It's not exactly the same as the military version (I think Real War has more units or something), but it was released none the less.

VBS could be the same, maybe in a few years, after the military finds some new simulator to use, then maybe it will be turned into a commercial product.

-=Die Alive=-

[Dawdler]

But OFP IS the game variant of the military sim VBS...

[Die Alive]

So maybe they'll release more units from VBS to the OFP world, or release it as a sequal or something.

BTW, who's armies are using VBS? I'm too lazy to go to the site and find out, if it's there.

-=Die Alive=-

[Damage Inc]

It says USMC on the main page (US Marine Corps I think).

[Dawdler]

Do the USMC use Steyer? And I think I saw some other quite non US weaponry there.

[ALDEGA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Sid on 5:46 pm on Nov. 30, 2001
-I do realize this game takes place in 1885, but ...
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it's 1985 http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Sid]

lol!

Catapults vs BMP's!

[M79]

The pics also show quiet a few Australian units as well as marine ones.

You can see a:
Barret
CH-53
AAV7
AV8B

Tiger
Aug
AW50
Blackhawk.

I think thats all of them.

[Dawdler]

I GOT IT!!!
The USMC is starting to train with Australian weaponry so they know what to face and how to destroy it when they invade Australia!!!

Why else would one put USMC vs Australian weaponry? http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Unl33t]

NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

Time for Australia to buy AK Rifles from Russia to take them all out in style, We could recruit the Viet Cong to help us!

[Scooby]

What difference does it make to you what weapon you use to kill someone?

No such thing as killing someone with style...

[Espectro]

Well, IMHO its more stylish to kill a person with a luger, then a button for the nuclear detonation.

[Dawdler]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Scooby on 2:19 pm on Dec. 1, 2001
No such thing as killing someone with style...
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In OFP there is! Set up two teams of 30-40 ppl each (multiplayer for some 80 ppl). Place everyone facing each other. When a signal is given, start shooting. Then tell everyone to turn around and run. The one that gets the furthest distance from original position until lag kills wins.

THATS killing in style http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Great if one is bored.

[King Kong]

That is not a Steyr for sure
Looks more like a FN MAG or a SAW to me

[AndyZ]

It may be a kind of lame question http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Could somebody give me link to this VBS?

AndyZ

[King Kong]

It's an SA80 for sure

[Anathema]

VBS is being developed for both the USMC and the Australian Defene Forces, so includes the Steyr, Leopard tanks etc.

About the gun in the picture, if you look closely at the barrel you'll see a large, horizontal flash hider and muzzle break, which can be found on the .50 caliber Barret sniper rifle, which is in use with USMC ( & also has USMC camo on).

As for BIS releasing parts of VBS for OFP this will probably never happen. Defence forces have secrets, which include computer programs as well as top secret plans, weapons etc. So when a company does work for the military (especially if it's combat related), they have to agree to sign a security/confidentiality agreement. This is why BIS have not said one word about VBS in the forum, and ignore questions about it.  

Also the US esecially would not want it availible to the puiblic, it would make a great training tool for their enemies, as well as their own forces. If the enemy can't get their hands on real US weapons, why not use the next best thing, a simulation, which not only models its appearance and charactreristics, but also how it behaves and fights on the battlefield.

(Edited by Anathema at 10:11 am on Dec. 2, 2001)

[MadDog]

AndyZ, try this:

http://www.virtualbattlefieldsystem.com/

Dave.

[theavonlady]

FBI: THIS POST HAS BEEN REMOVED BY CARNIVORE.

:shocked:

(Edited by theavonlady at 5:04 pm on Dec. 2, 2001)

[Beagle]

@<hidden> Anathema

There are already enought simulations on the market, that feature great realism in Battlefield systems.
None of the programmers had to sign anything, because they ha ex-servicemen they could ask questions.
Just for example Falcon 4.0, that was developt far beyond the point the publisher initially intended, with somen help of real F-16 Pilots.
Or take "Steel Beast" as the most realistic Tank Sim.
I served in a Leopard II myself, and I just can say, they modelled it exactly like the real thing, including the commands, spoken by the TC(...in german)

Do you rally think they would give the designrs knowledge, that goes beyond what is actually avaible for the soldiers, that operate this equipment.
And I never signed something that forbids me to speak about what I've learned in the army, exept for data like Encryptment procedures.

[M79]

King Kong , That is a Styer that the aussies are carrying , they also have a SAW and an AW50 for that sniper in the pic , it is NOT a SA80 , I think you need to go back to weps recognition cadet http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Razor635]

VBS uses the same engine as OFP but like a previous poster said the military has its secrets. We may see some cool stuff come out of it but then maybe not. Also BIS is doing the right thing by not mentioning it.

[King Kong]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from M79 on 10:56 pm on Dec. 2, 2001
King Kong , That is a Styer that the aussies are carrying , they also have a SAW and an AW50 for that sniper in the pic , it is NOT a SA80 , I think you need to go back to weps recognition cadet http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
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Well, it is a SA80
Do you even know how a SA80 looks like?

[xxxvader]

OFP could be the trial version for the VBS, because it lacts certain appeal of a full product for the US army. OFP being set in 1985 is too old for the army but it displays perfectly what can be done. By excluding what the army's needs, Modern vehicles, weapons, maybe a few more islands, and who knows what else, they get the army to buy a very expensive licence for the full package. Or maybe they just threw out a bunch of features and downgraded the technology to compose a a much cheaper product OFP.

[theavonlady]

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OFP could be the trial version for the VBS[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I'm testing version 1.30 beta right this very moment. And you?

[theavonlady]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Anathema on 3:42 pm on Dec. 3, 2001
When ordering a Dell workstation recently (in Australia, don't know about elsewhere), I was asked to agree not take/export it to around a dozen countries such as Israel and North Korea[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Gee, I better call up Dell Israel in Tel Aviv and tell them to shut down their sales department fast!

[Kavanov]

Whats the url?

[Kavanov]

oh, just read page 2. DOH!!!

It's deffo OFP with a new suit though, I just watched the Powerpoint pres, bloody #### does it look nice!

[Seventh]

I have been reading the thread and most of the imformation here is way outdated or incorrect, once the new VBS website is completed you will see the new changes.

There will be a press release soon...

[M79]

Kong , its simply buddy , the Aust. army does not use the SA80 becasue its s**t http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

The standard infantry weapon for the Aust army id the AUG.
The Styer has a very different look, the barrels are different, the stocks, the foregrip, #### just look at the trigger assemble and the grip.

And besides , are you going to try and tell me the styer in OFP is an SA80?

[Antichrist]

Are u sure its not a fake?

[King Kong]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from M79 on 11:15 pm on Dec. 3, 2001
Kong , its simply buddy , the Aust. army does not use the SA80 becasue its s**t http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

The standard infantry weapon for the Aust army id the AUG.
The Styer has a very different look, the barrels are different, the stocks, the foregrip, #### just look at the trigger assemble and the grip.

And besides , are you going to try and tell me the styer in OFP is an SA80?
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No, just take a look at the shape, sights,
It looks more like an SA80 to me

http://www.virtualbattlefieldsystem.com/splash1a.jpg

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/pics/0700/746.jpg

Kong

In the beginning... there was no VBS, the gaming community was without form and void... then Marek said, "Let there be Flashpoint", and it was so, and the gods saw Flashpoint, that it was good.

Flashpoint existed first... naturally such an engine as OFP's would translate easily into a military training sim. VBS did not pre-exist Flashpoint (later OFP). The oldest pics of Flashpoint (not VBS) show a VERY basic-looking attempt at a 3D sim. No such old pics of VBS exist, unless you realize that VBS is derived from Flashpoint.

--Uzi

[xxxvader]

Remember those pics of the LST with its hatch down and the soldiers in desert cammo that we seen before OFP, where do you think they are, maybe it was from a early version of VBS.

[M79]

Kong , my apoligies , I was talking about a different pic , the ones in the screenshot directories , not main page.

And that looks like British cam to me ao It could be an SA80.

[residuum]

W00t I'm using virtually teh same software the Military uses! I'm gonna be a real soldier one day and they'll have me play OFP!