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Were has online gaming gone when you cant even play a d*amn game if you dont have a dsl connection or higher? i bought this game to play it online and theres only been one person nice enough to let me in his server. is it that much of a nuissence to you cable guys to let a few 56k guys play a few games ....are we really laggin that T3 connection of yours down? Even still today Most people online are still on them old inventions called telephone modems , Some dont wanna pay higher cost for bandwith , most ,like myself dont have any options for dsl or cable . Sure we can get ourselves a $75 month satilite connection , but if you would reallly spend that much money to play a game you should seek help , basicly what im saying is it not our faults we dont have cable our dsl , our parents arent here for some of us to by us that dedicated line , so please let a few dial ups in ..... Its only fair
dial up pings can be good pings but they can also be very bad. The best thing you can do is check if you have no programs running in the background and that you have turned your firewall off. This will always give you a better ping
PorkchopExpress
Oct 27 2001, 03:10
Hey man I dont want to hear it. I host gamespy games on my cable connection, and I often boot people for having too high of a ping. If I'm paying $40 a month for broadband, why should I have someone who is using NetZero and a 600+ ping to ruin my game?
My general rule of thumb is if you have a 350+ ping, youre getting booted, and I think thats more than fair. I feel you pain, however, I remember playing Command and Conquer on a 28.8 dialup...heh I'm glad I'll never use a dial-up again.
RN Malboeuf
Oct 27 2001, 06:09
Get the all seeing EYE to help you conect to closer servers with better ping
Guys just out of Town connect to me a about 200 ms
if you maitain 399+ on our server you get booted
I've had the same discusions about Higher end (more AI player maps) they say don't make them no one will play them, (in case of CTF "they're not fair waaaaa waaaa") well us High enders have the right to play and high speeds
to #### to the 56kks no mater what excuses they have for not having Broad Ban I Say
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
wheres the kick button
(Edited by RN Malboeuf at 2:24 pm on Oct. 27, 2001)
If ya really look at it 56kers pay just as much as you all for a connection , they got a monthly fee $20 - $25 (depending on isp) then ya gotta get the unlimited pakage from you phone company on local calls or youll have a $100 phone bill , that rings in about $40 ($20 more than the base local call package) so that brings us up to about $40 - $45 , and you cant use your phone to boot Now ive done everything possible to lower my ping (modem boosters,turned offf apps and firewall,lowered my packets) and i still pull about a 250-400ms ping .
All im trying to say from my original post is its just a waste of Time & money for dial ups to buy this game , people with faster connection arent nice enough to let you play
Col Rambo SBS
Oct 27 2001, 16:04
I wouldnt mind if the hosts had the decency to say " Sorry, but your ping is bad " but most of them tend to be pig ignorant and will boot you without saying a word. Those type of people can shove there servers as far up there arse as they like, gaming communities need friendships and those guys are not helping the matter.
RN Malboeuf
Oct 27 2001, 17:31
We let the guys know before we play and they leave on thier own, even in game we stop to see thier ping so they wait 20 mins just to get kicked off
look at 56k this way
5.6k speed
$20 Average
dediscated phone line
$15 Average
thats 35$
Get Cable/DSL
$40
speed 250-1500
simple math
if you can't afford $5-15 more a month to bad for you,
as for the guys that live out of the area at ma's house on the farm, move to the city http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #### my Grand Mother has more Computers then I do, she has a 1gig A7V133 and old Compaq 333mhz 48 megs ram and she has DSL
I'm not allowed to touch the 1giger and I sell puters lol
Col Rambo SBS
Oct 27 2001, 18:12
Hey, I live in the populated area, but here in the UK, in areas except the major cities, DSL + Cable are not available, and in a lot of cases , never will be.
I have a 56k modem, but due to Brittish Telicoms stance that they dont provide domestic lines for data, Im stuck with speeds of 31.2k or a real good day. Even with thius speed I can play DeltaForce and othergames just fine without any noticable lag. All cable users do is hogg Bandwidth and drag the others down.
i also live in a very populated city, i got verizon for a phone company and i will NEVER see dsl , there just not intrested in getting it to thier customers ....and same with cable , adelphia .....not a chance .
theres alot of people like me that are in this situation , many dont have any available options, no matter were they live
Cable people don't hog your bandwith. My cable company has its own servers so its not hurting you.
Somtimes the game can only sync at the fastest speed of the slowest modem. *some* games and internet things that is.
So when you have 5 dsl + 1 56.6 the game can't work much faster than the 56.6 connection unless you wan't to be out of sync with each other.
And thus makes lag. And lag makes gaming spoiled
and gaming spoiled means dialups need to enter the world of technology and move into an area to get broadband or if you already are... you need to get it.
56.6 - won't be suported for too long
Col Rambo SBS
Oct 28 2001, 14:34
You think me and other users are going to move home just to get Broadbabnd !, get real.
A survey carried out in the UK showes very few are interested in having broadband, and are quite happy with regular Dialups, so its unlikely that 56k will be dropped any time soon. Unless you play games 24/7 broadband is almost pointless, unless your downloading Warez games or proggies, otherwise the Broadband content is very limited, unless you like realtime streaming porn.
As for Satelite connections, there useless for gaming because of the delay in getting the data uploaded to a Satelite, then back to the servers and vice versa. this is fine if its a movie your watching, cause when it starts you dont notice that it is 5-6 sec behind, where in gamming, this would make it slower than a 56k dialup ( This being you had the latest 2 way Satellite connewction, and not the current 1 way version )
RN Malboeuf
Oct 28 2001, 20:14
your on drugs, and your survey is a crapload of directed questions, don't want broad ban my A$$, then why they still complaing it's slow lol, I have a Bridge to sell ya in the UK, 89% of ppl in a Survey said I own it and I'm allowed to sell it.
Dial up modems arent going anywere for a long time , unless the make a good satilte for cheap , were still stuck with 56 k , if ya really think about it most users online are on dial ups, a very small fraction of online users are gamers , and there is probly more people playing yahoo games on 56k then cs right now , i know ill never see broad ban for a long time and i live close to it , ive called and asked both my phone company and cable providers and they said they have no intrest in expanding because it cost so much to set up and maintain...and unleet......is that really true? one 56k guy makes your dsl connection lag like 28k? does all the broad ban users ping skyrocket to 500 ms ever time some dirty 56k guys comes around? how come that wasnt the case with the older games when the majority of the users were dial up ? didnt see host banning people cause they had a slower connection .
Do as ya wish with your Broad ban , fine by me , just less people for you all to play with
"A survey carried out in the UK showes very few are interested in having broadband"
- Let me see this survey !!, far out a survey on this topic that bucks every market research that our company (and we're owned by BT and hence share some of their research) has carried out in the last three years. s**t Telecos must be mad spending millions every year to force open and unrestricited competition to allow them to give customers broadband services to meet a demand that one survey says customers don't want.
Whats was the question in the survey?:
Question: Do you want broadband service at $5000 per year. (Yes/No)
or:
Question: Do you want broadband service at a near or equivalent to your current Telco/ISP bill? (Yes/No)
Sure you may not want to move to get Broadband services and in this you would be no different than 99% of the people. But to say there is no demand is utter crap !!!.
56K service will not be dropped just like, land lines have not be dropped since mobile has become available. Telecom NZ released a low cost broadband solution simply to meet the pressure from residential market for a cheap broadband service - why so Dad could download porn? - No because kids where demanding faster unlimited volume internet connections for gaming.
My point is you're entitled to your opinion but get some of your facts checked.
RN Malboeuf
Oct 28 2001, 21:34
56k does not slow down other Broad bans when they conect to a server what so ever, we all get larger packets and less time between them, the 56k gets smaller packets with more time between Packets.
Befor the OFP Net code Tweaks it could have been true that56's were slowing us down, thats why so many had different problems or none in some cases
If you think there are more 56k users on the Net then Broad Ban you're Mistaken, 5 years ago this was true, but the fact remains larger Ciry centers with HUGE populations have 60-80% users on Broad ban, we're talking Millions of users in just 1 Large city alone.
There are simply more ppl in Larger cities, take Manitoba where I Live, we are just short of 1 million ppl (800-900 thousands pps) 750,000 live in winipeg alone, #### in one HOUR alone in Toronto you pass 2,000,000 ppl just comuting to work (more in the USA)
Those cities have more users on Broad Ban then the Farming comunities, and our Provice (state) is 2 -20 times larger then half the Countries in the world.
It the same for US states with larger population.
56k is a Dying Horse, sure it will be around for 10 or so more years, but in the end we'll still be making fun of guys trying to use it for games
Col Rambo SBS
Oct 28 2001, 23:43
The Comments on the survey can be found in the latest issue of .NET magazine, page 14, comments by Rowland Baker, Editor of Broadband-help.com. Brittiosh Telicoms own figures show 13 Million homes have the Ability to connect, but only 80,000 are using Broadband in the UK, which is not exactly a big percentage.
Thanks for info re article - trying to track a copy down now.
I think it's reasonable to understand why a low percentage have broadband - simply a matter economics, Checking some of UKs pricing between 56K ISP connection and broadband options you're into 300% price increase and 12 month commitments, therefore as Rowland says in one of his on line articles "Taking a Broadband service is a significant financial commitment."
Demand will be influenced by cost, so as new bandwidth demanding games come out and competition in braodband offering come - growth will occur. It's similar pattern to other services eg mobile.
WOW ! lol
"If you think there are more 56k users on the Net then Broad Ban you're Mistaken, 5 years ago this was true, but the fact remains larger Ciry centers with HUGE populations have 60-80% users on Broad ban, we're talking Millions of users in just 1 Large city alone. "
Not even close..... maybe in the year 2010 but not now ... a artical on internetnews.com says that 35 million (45% ) of the online population will be using broadband by 2006 , they also go onto say that only 9 % of the online users are using broadband as of the year 2000 , so last year 91% of the people browsing the net were dial ups , i doubt that has risin much in a year ... heres the link
http://www.internetnews.com/isp-news/article/0,,8_905351,00.html
argwarrior
Oct 29 2001, 03:01
Well I decided to add my two cents. I am currently on a shared T3, though I spent many years gaming on a 56k, so I have been on both ends of the stick.
I am sure I do not need to tell you guys the difference between latency and bandwidth. My connection has ridiculously large bandwidth, and, lucky me, good latency to this half of the world. Yet you have people with "fast" DSL conections with pings of 400 -- especially in the southeastern US, some DSL services have a lag time of 4 or more seconds.
It isn't just about bandwidth; all the bandwidth in the world will not help you if you have crappy latency. I used to get sub 100 pings on my 266mhz 32mb RAM with a 56k, at least in my region.
So, for a lot of people, your in-game ping really has much more to do with luck than with expensive broadband. Don't whine to us about "the state of online gaming" or rant about the unfairness of it all.
If you live in an area with poor latency over phone lines, and have a 400ms ping, and there are no other connection options, then your game is just not playable online from your area, and you should not have bought it expecting to play online in the first place.
As a side note, I always welcome all players into my game, no matter what their ping is.
At the prices BT charge, I'm not surprised nobody wants it. If you are in an area where you can connect to NTL, I suggest you do it. It isn't $5000.00 a year, its Ł120.00.
Their phone service is cheaper too.
Visit their site if you want to at least look at the feasability of it, If you bung in your post code, the thingmies there will tell you immediately if broadband is availabe in your area, or will be in the future.
Now excuse me, I'll just go back to my streaming porn...
http://www.ntlworld.com/
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
(Edited by Wardog at 8:32 pm on Nov. 9, 2001)
Diniter
Nov 10 2001, 07:49
Bosch it's true. You and I are sharing the same fate with online gaming. I have played about 10 worthless games in total since my purchase early after the game's release. I have since then pretty much given up to all forms of multiplay. Well enough about me. I just wanted to say your not alone in what your stating.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Unl33t on 9:36 am on Oct. 28, 2001
Somtimes the game can only sync at the fastest speed of the slowest modem. *some* games and internet things that is.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>This is what this thread should be about, IMO. I know some of the strictly military guys here would never come up with the idea of playing CS or UT or Quake, but if they did, they would find that dialup clients have no negative effect on the gameplay for broadband clients. Their player models might show jerky or irregular movement, but that's it. This is the way it should be. There would be no reason to kick anyone because of high ping. He would only be an easy target.
In OFP however, it appears that the world simulation is somehow distributed among the clients, and if the vehicle you happen to be riding in is handled by a modem user's computer, then you will be just as lagged as he is. Maybe it has to be this way. After all, none of the above games have vehicles, and the server-handles-everything approach might not be applicable to OFP simply because of vehicles. Then again, it appears to work very well in Tribes 2. I admit I haven't thought about it that much. Corrections are welcome.
sgtdwetzel
Nov 14 2001, 15:39
Well..time for my 2 cents....
As a poor ba*tard on 56K...I say that BIS could have done better by providing something better than GameSpy for multiplayer. I know I know..."Use the AllSeeingEye", but take a look at other game designers....
I also play Nascar4 from Papyrus O/L...on 56K....
Papy uses its own internal MP setup.....and even on dialup, I get pings ranging from 129-192. NO - this is not BS. On plain dialup I get pings that good.
The best I have been able to manage with GS is around 240-250. And no, this is not a routing problem. I have shutdown OFP and jumped into Nascar4 and gotten good pings.
I understand that people are going to want games with low pings....very understandable. Why don't you put it right in your game description...."Ping<250"...is that so hard???
Most of us poor people on dialup understand that if our ping is too high, we are not welcome. I have no probs there either. I ALWAYS ask if my ping is too high to stay. And if it is too high...I say "OK" and leave. Give us the courtesy of an explanation before you boot us, please - there is nothing more rude than a straight boot.
I know I'm rambling here, but it is frustration to try to play this game O/L....I was on last night for 3-4 hours....and ended up rebooting 2-3 times, redialing 2-3 times, and staring at bad pings all night. I played a total of 2 games is that time span - and put up with F**KING spawn killers in both. VERY FRUSTRATING
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Bosch on 3:53 am on Oct. 27, 2001
Were has online gaming gone when you cant even play a d*amn game if you dont have a dsl connection or higher? i bought this game to play it online and theres only been one person nice enough to let me in his server. is it that much of a nuissence to you cable guys to let a few 56k guys play a few games ....are we really laggin that T3 connection of yours down? Even still today Most people online are still on them old inventions called telephone modems , Some dont wanna pay higher cost for bandwith , most ,like myself dont have any options for dsl or cable . Sure we can get ourselves a $75 month satilite connection , but if you would reallly spend that much money to play a game you should seek help , basicly what im saying is it not our faults we dont have cable our dsl , our parents arent here for some of us to by us that dedicated line , so please let a few dial ups in ..... Its only fair
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a sat-internetconnection is much slower than the worst telephone modem!
you get much bandwidth but bad pings because of the distance to the sat.
Maldita Vecindad
Nov 15 2001, 20:07
Three months ago I had dialup. And was very happy....
My brother convince me to swich to 256 DSL so I did.
I almost cry when I saw the speed of the pages... Everything was almost instantaneous...
I used only the internet to an occasional surf and to rread my e-mails..... but now I see TV videos. Hear hight quality radio, download mp3s like crazy and the most important :play online the way it was meant to be played: lag free
Now I laught everytime I remember how my conection used to be...... and aks myself how I lived that way.....
I feel sorry for the ones that don't have broadband avialable in their area and hope that in a near future you have an oportunity to get it.
But for the ones that can get it. Do it. Once you taste it ... You will never want to go back.
(Edited by keKoJoNes at 11:08 pm on Nov. 15, 2001)
RN Malboeuf
Nov 16 2001, 06:48
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from keKoJoNes
My brother convince me to swich to 256 DSL so I did.
I almost cry when I saw the speed of the pages... Everything was almost instantaneous...
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you should try 1500+ Cable
it's like it was on your hard drive before you even opened the browser
Diniter
Nov 16 2001, 09:20
Can I sell my kidney for one?
Broad Ban, quite an appropriate way of putting it, because broadly we are all banned, of course i expect u mean BROADBAND.
Now satellite thats pish no use for games, 56k not the best , but better than useless, never seen a 56ker drag us down in our *Mixed* gaming sessions, we have Cable broadband /ADSL connections, and ISDN as well as one or 2 that connect with 56k modems, our average pings with 8 playing is 200 - 300 ms, which is still very playable, some are lower and some higher, in fact i get better ping on my 64k ISDN than some of our Cable and ADSL players.
Most of the people i play with in my squad would love to be able to get a broadband cable or an ADSL connection, but hey we're dealing with BT/NTL etc so thats not going to happen.
Personally the sooner they get DSL the better then we will see true capability of online gaming, BUT only if the comm's companies ie BT get their act together..........
RN u always got a lot to write but never much to say, you really think people will move house so they can get a Cable or ADSL connection, man i've not laughed so much in a long time.
AND as for you 56ker's out there u are always welcome to come and play along with the DV Squad, our website is at http://www.dvsquad.com , drop one of us a mail and come play EVERYONE is welcome, not just the chosen few..............
The Ripper
Nov 16 2001, 21:40
I live in the uk and as it stands broadband and cable is only just startin to be common place. the area i live is not covered by cable and only very recently now covered by broadband from bt. but its the price of it at the moment Ł49.99 a month then normal phone calls on top of that is a complete rippoff thats about 56 to 57 dollars a month then calls on top of that you easily say 60 dollars a month.one of the posts was saying cable about 40 dollars a month thats about 36 pound a month you guys in the U.S are paying about half what youd pay over in rippoff britain (lucky twats) i was gonna order it but im not paying aroung Ł800 a year ill stick to the 56k s**te until the price drops?
RN Malboeuf
Nov 17 2001, 10:15
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hkg3
in fact i get better ping on my 64k ISDN than some of our Cable and ADSL players[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No offence but IDSN DOES not gett better Ping then other forms of Broad ban
Ping is the Time it takes to HOP from your location to the Servers (web site, tarce route ect.) it has ZERO bearing on your Band width
56ks suffer from higher Pings basically becasue they are stalling the Ping to finish sending out other data, but 56ks can get the same ping locally as any Broad Ban as long as the Packets don't over work the 56k (this is what causes higher ping on 56k modems)
this means if I conect to said server though our local DSL and get a Ping of 110 to a server a few hundred miles away and then I disconect and Dial up using the SAME ISP (dial up usually also has the same DSL ISP thusly using the SAME path - hops) I will get 110 Ping on the 56k modem when just pinging the servr b4 game play
Ping has nothing to do with the Packet size, so if you have 56k Dial up you'll still get lag some lag
now when you have 56k or IDSN and you see your Ping shoot up to 1000+ thats because you still have the 110 ping, but your modem is just waiting to send the Data packet for the Ping because it's busy sending some thing else
Are you following?
The Fact that you are closer (or less hops) is why you get lower Pings Even if you have IDSN and another guy has Cable and you both play in the same Town on the SAME town server, Different ISP that Don't like each other may force each other to HOP out of Town to conect greatly increasing the PING time
I can get a Ping of 1 on ppl on my Cable ISP, 20 in the city 2 hours away from me on the same Cable ISP and 40 if they are on the DSL ISP
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> hkg3
RN u always got a lot to write but never much to say, you really think people will move house so they can get a Cable or ADSL connection, man i've not laughed so much in a long time. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The fact you think IDSN is faster made us all Laugh, Do us a favor and don't bother posting on things your not to sure on k
(Edited by RN Malboeuf at 7:22 am on Nov. 17, 2001)
RN Malboeuf
Nov 17 2001, 10:27
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from The Ripper
but its the price of it at the moment Ł49.99 a month [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
actuall US is getting RIPPED off as well
they still pay on average $40 US, I know thats less then the UK
but here in Canada we Pay $40 CND (25 US) and on average we get faster 1500/150 rates compared to 256/50
It's actuall Cheap to get Cable/ DSL then it is to have Dial up ($20-$30 CND) and a Dedicated Phone line ($15) thats $35-$45 CND and 200-400% slower
I NEVER said ISDN was faster then cable or ADSL, if u read me properly i said sometimes i get a better ping and less lag than some of the ADSL/CABLE players i play online with, so laugh is on you you illiterate monkey.
In actual fact, i am further away than some of these guys, i got 23 hops to reach host, some of these guys got 10 - 13, so thats bollox too m8, I DO GET BETTER PING i have played it and taken piss out of ADSL/CABLE users doing it.
i know a little bit about it, but i am sorry not to be as knowledgable as you Malboeuf.
I have fast pc s**tloads of ram, Also host should have plenty RAM and processing power, because it is the hosts computer that is taking the stress when u play on his server, therefore i think you will find that it if the hosts PC cannot handle the load, you will get lots of lag, also how much happens to be going on at the time.
Thats why games with tanks/choppers etc LAG lots more than ones with men only. It takes power to draw and redraw etc all the time, send that info on and get that info back, for EVERY pc connected to the host, and YES if u got 56k this will take longer to do, but the majority of the problem comes from the HOST.
(Edited by hkg3 at 8:15 pm on Nov. 18, 2001)
RN Malboeuf
Nov 18 2001, 17:46
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hkg3
in fact i get better ping on my 64k ISDN than some of our Cable and ADSL players[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I read it wong? see you posted it right here
Don't lecture me on what the host needs I 've posted Real server Specs Guide lines for the whole comunity to use
now for a little lesson for you
HOPS
you have 23 HOPS
buddie has 10 and is on cable
you get faster ping returns would be due to the fact that his ISP and NODES are working hard so there are delays
this happens to overloaded use on many ISPs after 5pm EVERY DAY
with my ISP most of our Hops are routed the fastest possible Node/way, where two hours to the east of me in the larger city DSL and Cable users will suffer in Ping since there are THOUSANDS of users trying to HOP out of the city after 5 pm
Not by much
in the end IDSN does not offer faster speed or ping, it may be a lesser crowed ISP with less NODE Clogs then some the larger Cities after 5 pm Local Time
Are you still here?
(Edited by RN Malboeuf at 8:53 am on Nov. 19, 2001)
Your gibbering now...... I use AOL and it is pretty busy after 5pm..........none of what you said there made any sense at all sorry.
Oh and if i got this many bites when i was out fishing i'd be a happy man......
RN Malboeuf
Nov 19 2001, 11:51
AOL lol
no wonder your so dense
AOL is CRAP
don't even brag about it
People will always complain about what other people have http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif people with 56k..don;t complain cuz u get kicked. Here an idea host a room of your own for 56gayers. So all u lamers can play together http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif An ISDN sucks..for the money u may as well stick with 56gay.
Are you Malbeouf that I played with a few days ago,on the Radishville T-1 dedicated server? and thought he was good? If not I apoligize but the guy thought he was good cuz he could fly a chopper and get kills, but the funny thing was after I blew up his chopper, he got 3 kills, out of his 9 and 5 armor. PLus all he did was base rape and spawn camp, but ebnough of my bashing the this loser. was it you or is there another Mal? < WisdoM is the name.
(Edited by Murda Inc at 5:00 pm on Nov. 19, 2001)
(Edited by Murda Inc at 5:02 pm on Nov. 19, 2001)
RN Malboeuf
Nov 19 2001, 21:56
so your the 2nd grader, and no i never base Raped, I engaged only the manned Vehicles, and you missed the 7 games before you came (after that I kicked you from the server by killing your IP) ony 2 missions out of the 8 i played that day had Choppers and yet I still managed to come in 1st place every match
I killed you 6 times to your 1 kill ( the choper which I was landing) you have to learn not to just run in the open lol, I also single handedly killed 4 of you snipers you had base Spawn Camping with in 2 minutes of my Spawn. Had no chopper then just an AK with 30 rounds http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
if you have the all seeing EYE jump onto russin's server tonight and play some DM with us RN
you'll see that no matter the situation a newbie bragart like you will allways lose since you dont shut the #### up http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
and that US RN play WAY TO MUCH lol
you see I don't really tell ppl much but I'm ranked in the top 5 killers in the world for SoF, i know my Tactics do you? and ask any old time SoF player who Body Count is and they'll tell you http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I never saw a kid complain about a guy winning in all my life
I love Newbies who think thier good, they wont stop bitching and actually play
Russin is gonna have fun with you
Oh well, It appears that I'm not the second grader here. I'm not getting into a lame ass flame war with you. I'm a little more grown up than that. Anyway, I still had fun playing...getting the most kills is not everything, your right your probably better than me, but I see you brag alot too, I guess it's boosts your self esteem in some way? In every post I've read of yours since I came back, youve acted like an ass, just like you did on the server, and yes my friend you did base rape, but really who gives a s**t. And umm no you did nothing to my IP numbnuts, I quit playing..lol funny you should try and look cool though.
Like I said I'm not getting into a flame war with you, as I can see your the 2nd grader here just by the way you act and hold yourself. And no I'm not a newbie, I just do more than play Operation Flashpoint. So if thinking your good makes you feel better about yourself than so be it http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif But I can see I'm a #### of a lot maturer than you, and I'm 19 I bet your like what 28?
RN Malboeuf
Nov 20 2001, 12:44
lol Any one who plays with me knows your lying and that I never brag while playing or Base Rape, Like I said I engaged only Manned Vehicles
I was quiet the whole game till you started your "oooh you think your so go good" whiner remarks
Every one that plays with me knows I hardly talk while I play, I'm to busy listening to foot steps
Try again
(Edited by RN Malboeuf at 9:50 am on Nov. 20, 2001)
Your making things look different than they were. I started off by ASKING oyu to stop base raping at which point you denied it, and then began acting like an ass. But naway I really don't care it was one game out of the many GREAT games I have played with nice people. Looking through the forums I see you are not a well liked person, so in oyur posts your always making fun, or telling someone they are wrong. Oh well please just keep posting so you continue to prove your idiocy!
Your just a little kid stuck in an older body, and when I say alittle kid I mean you have the mentallity of a 8 year old. "Oh I won 7 games in a row, Oh I'm so good, Oh are clan cant be defeated." Well your clan will get no respect from me. Why are you so bitter, all of your posts never really help anyone out, nor do they have much merit or truth to them. You are just proving how unliked oyu are with every post you make, so continue on my firend, "bad beef" If I ever see you again I'll make sure not to play with you, and it's not cuz "your so skiloled at your tactics" but because you act like an ass, and then say That I was acting immtature, pffft PLEASE. May I suggest you take a break form OFP, go out grab a little sun in that place you call a country called Canada, and maybe possibly you might find a female, get laid, and all your bitternes will be solved, well maybe not all. ut you might be a lot happier person. Until then f.u.c.k off, I'm going to ignore your postsfrom now on.
RN Malboeuf
Nov 20 2001, 14:35
and all you do is flame and ppl who play with me know I don't Base Rade http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
try again and go back to FS2
(Edited by RN Malboeuf at 11:36 am on Nov. 20, 2001)
LMAO, thats good Murda m8, sounds about right for him, he does think he is the greatest, and i have offered him to get in contact with our squad for a friendly little game, but no answer so far, he sounds like a base raper, anyone can score high and look good raping bases and talking themselves up. Our squad may not be the greatest, maybe even the worst, but we have fun and thats what this game is about......56kers welcome too.
Oh i agree finally about something RN, aol is crap, but at least i don't get booted every 2 hours like some ISP's do and i don't have huge banner adverts all over my screen either like the others, so i'll just stick with crappy old reliable aol.
Hkg3, you dont wanna play with this ####### belive me, you hit every point exactly. Oh well good to see I'm not the only one who sees this "bad Beef"...your name should be bad attitude.
I have just read the full 3 pages of this topuc. here is my opinion. I think that to let a few 56ers in is ok... just a few with a bad ping could be tolerated, but what i think, is that 56ers create rooms for other 56ers, and play all together! Ok, so it will run a little slowerr than usual, but when i host games i always let a few ppl in with a 56k modem, becuase a few wouldn't hurt the game! Anyway, let me just tell the guy that started this topic that i know what you mean, i had a 56k modemand on multiplayer games, with red alert2 noone would let me in. Once i got cable, i had been able to get into all games http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif but i do understand your testimony. I agree totally with your point and ppl should let in a few 56ers in games.
Neo
lol... based on response to posts I have made RN Malboeuf needs reassurance. Thus he insults and degrades others to try and make himself look better.
To each his own... just understand that people will eventually catch on and you will need to change your name or they will not take you serious anymore.
RN Malboeuf... realize your Internet knowledge is in the infantile stage. You know so little but yet you try to seem so intelligent. There are those of us out here that know a little more than you believe they do. (kinda like when growing up and believing your parents are stupid old idiots).
Also remember... everyone has an opinion. Just because they do not exactly match yours does not mean they are wrong.
There are always 3 sides to a coin...
If this was a bit harsh I apologize. However, I felt it needed said.
RN Malboeuf
Nov 27 2001, 17:18
yea, comming from a guy who claims he has triple reduntany Fiber lines lol
your capped at T1 and you don't even know why
my T1 Speed Cable at up has higher upstream then your server does 1700/1500
best not claim what you dont have, and best not start saying who is inteligent, by flaming you just lowered yours
Radish's server is a T3 and still out performs your server
also you need more maps before ppl really start to use you server
(Edited by RN Malboeuf at 7:03 pm on Nov. 27, 2001)
WE OWN THE CIRCUITS... WE OWN THE BANDWIDTH... WE OWN THE BUILDING.
LOCK, STOCK AND BARREL
How many times do I have to say it... and in how many ways?
FIRST Net is a large Regional ISP and we have a hefty network... and it is our network. Redundant OC3. No dedicated server out there to my knowledge has more bandwidth...
THERE ARE NO CAPS! Other than maybe the game having limitations.
We have several different types of servers running and none have these issues. From Quake to CS to WolfenStein.
RN Malboeuf ... again you spew things out of your mouth that you have no knowledge of.
RN Malboeuf
Nov 28 2001, 01:27
and yet you're still stuck at 1500
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
like I said my Local T3 has 4500, yet you have a faster line and only 1500, and you claim OFP limits you
why don't the other servers have these problems like Radish?
Just because I pointed out your server is slow when it comes to AI does not mean you can justifly Flaming me.
I've done my share around here to help ppl and have helped them
you come in offering Triple reduntant line and yet the server lags with AI or 12 players and presume I don't know any thing and instantly start flaming, what have you done around here any ways?
makes you look real good too
RN Malboeuf... you basically said and continue to say I am lying.
Why would I Lie?
We have what I said... and I would like to see the actual monitor stats of this server you say does what you say it does.
Your throwing numbers up in the air... but everyone that plays on our server (except you) says it's the fastest out there.
BTW, there is ONE map (Rescue Randolph) which I made and is extremely intensive. If you played that map then yes it lags with 12+ people. But that map has 10 choppers and a Chinook with paradrop. All going to the same place at the same time.
It will cause lag on any server with too many people. This is an issue with the map (actually OFP but I won't go into that) and I am always changing it to improve performance.
RN Malboeuf
Nov 28 2001, 13:26
then why do we populate Radish's server more often then yours?
I'll tell you why, your's has what a total of 12 maps? 2 CTFs? (Last Time I was on it)
and it lags, the only time we used it is when Radish's server crashed or it was too full (40 players online, some thing your server can't handle)
I never called you a liar, I corrected your statement
Have you corrected your limited upload stream in OFP? why does your OFP limit your server and not his
have you talked to him?
angryradish@<hidden>
(Edited by RN Malboeuf at 10:37 am on Nov. 28, 2001)
Please read the post from Radish here:
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=3&topic=650&start=17
You will see his not what you are claiming RN. He realizes as much as I do that it isn't the bandwidth limiting OFP. (I know this because we have more than anyone to my knowledge)... and Radish knows it.
Stop flaming and trying to shoot people down on this forum. I know what our servers and Bandwidth consist of and to have you try and belittle them is just down right stupid.
bigqed...here.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Angry Radish on 2:42 am on Nov. 29, 2001
To stick my neck in this really quick, yes, we have had 40 players on the server, but it was on a simple map, and the FPS suffered pretty badly. My current bottleneck is actually processing power, the GHZ processor is maxed out with about 26-28 players, so I currently have players limited to 20-22 to keep flying possible on some of the larger maps.
BigQed, as far as I'm concerned, your server has set the standard for OFP servers. The only real differences between our servers are the types of maps played, and the hours they are operational. (not having my own ISP, i need to save some bandwidth on my measley T-1 for my users during the day :-))
Many of the players that frequent my server either play on mine, or yours, no others, so I'd say that I at least compare to yours:-)
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ignore malboeuf, he is always arguing his own case, he claimed that its impossible for me to have a higher upload than download on my adsl...how would he know?
just give up while you can. malboeuf wont give up no matter what.....you "cant" prove him wrong, he wont accept anything except his own ideas...
RN Malboeuf
Nov 29 2001, 15:46
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
not my ideas, just facts
and Big Ed
this email does not work
bigqed@<hidden>
please fix it off your web site
(Edited by RN Malboeuf at 12:47 pm on Nov. 29, 2001)
Acctually Pete, I would have to agree with Malboeuf on that one. The difference in ADSL and DSL is teh A, I think it's like Asynchrous(cant remember) Which means that there is a major difference in your up/down speeds. essentially meaning that you down is gonna be a #### of alot more than your up http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif You probably ran a speed test and didnt clear your cache http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Not always true Wisdom...
ADSL comes in many flavors... while most have a low upload speed some are very good. Also if the ISP he is utilizing for his ADSL is peaking on downstream he may actually see a better upstream.
If they guy who stated that knows what Upload and Download IS then I would say he is aware of what his system is capable of. To say he is wrong is not cool unless you are in his shoes... or on his connection.
Malbeouf... maybe I just don't want you emailing me... lol
(Edited by BigQEd at 9:55 pm on Nov. 29, 2001)
I would concur with those findings.
We as an ISP know whats out there and what people use and want.
Gamers = Bandwidth and thus the people posting in here are shortsighted as to what the general public wants.
The General Public has very very little need at the present for "Broadband". Our largest customer base by far is Dialup and will continue to be so for the next 2+ years based on growth. Dialup is still expanding believe it or not... many are just getting on the Internet at home... believe it or not.
You Gamers think everyone is like you. Seriously what does your grandmother say about "BroadBand"? Ask her sometime and check out those Deer in the Headlight eyes...
RN Malboeuf
Nov 29 2001, 19:40
Once again you're wrong, your email does not responde to the server, I ran a SMTP Snooper on it, and tried it from a seperate Hot mail account
you can't even set up you're own lines and emails corectly
you can send email to our servers, clients or sites, and if the user name is incorect it still get sorted and sent to the most liky canidate.
try it
----try--any---thing------@<hidden>
and you're Wrong on ADSL
SDSL is cable of matching both speed up and down
there is no ADSL that is set up to offer more upload then dlown load, thats not how ADSL works
thats a standard fact, and not on of my "Ideas"
ISPs have a standard 3/1 ratio guide lines this means the average users have some thing like 768d/128up- some will be higher in Dload, and some lower in upload, and also these are stated in the CTRC rules for Communications for Residential Net Services
This does not mean some home users have these exact Net Speeds
I my self have 1700/1500 since we do a little work on the side for the local Cable ISP, this includes installing the lines to the houses that needs it and the setting of the Line speeds, and selling the conection
(Edited by RN Malboeuf at 4:55 pm on Nov. 29, 2001)
ok... Malboeuf... what are you 16?
Yes ADSL is almost always higher down than up. HOWEVER, not all ISP's use 'guidelines' and they may over saturate their network thus uploads may actually be higher on some ISP's. It wouldn't be the first time I have seen this occur.
SDSL, HDSL and other xDSL's are usually a higher quality than ADSL. However, that doesn't mean that ADSL in some cases won't out perform them. It just depends on the 'PROVIDER'.
For example... remember the days when you were using dialup? Did you have a favorite ISP because it seemed they were faster? Thats what I mean... not all ISP's are equal... and just because the ADSL or SDSL circuit says it's capable of such and such doesn't mean you will get that speed. It all depends on the ISP and if they are over-saturated and have their systems setup properly.
You can read all you want on the NET about ADSL and SDSL... however, when the tire hits the road in the real world you can kiss those text book facts goodbye.
FragHaus is my gaming site guy... my Admins had the filters set to tight. If you try my email now you will see it works just fine. My Corporate email has always worked fine...
*sigh* why did i mention that again? http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
well...here it goes...far as i know the a in adsl is for assymetric dsl, and means the upload/download is not the same speed...normally.
but my download/upload is supposed to be 512/512 kbit, but it aint...its 512/700+ kbit
on a good day i can download at 60 k/s from my isp, meaing it doesnt get any better than that....but i can send at 85 k/s.
this is not a fantasy, its a "fact"...different isp's have different settings, my neighbour next door has a other isp, he gets 2.5 mbit down and 0.75 mbit up..and with some extra money he can get it to 5 mbit/1.5 mbit.
you all assume (except bigqed) that all isp's around the world uses the same standards.
btw, the biggest line i ever used for playing games belongs to a university near me...155 mbit line to the net :biggrin:
(Edited by Pete at 11:11 pm on Nov. 29, 2001)
Pete... I truly believe you are aware of your service.
ADSL can be many things... depending on the ISP.
Col Rambo SBS
Nov 29 2001, 22:20
I remember a certain operson whos posting here arguing with me that most of the net users arround today all have broadband, and that the otheres were now the minority.
Funny how the Target figure in the UK is for 16% to be broadband users by 2006, with less that 4% being broadband at the moment.
Thats Official Government figures, go argue with them.
Col Rambo... I truly believe those stats.
Being in the business I know in our areas majority by far is still 'narrowband'. Broadband has to be less than 5%...
RN Malboeuf
Nov 30 2001, 01:29
yea nooooo
you guys we're allready put down, no one will go by UK "stats"alone
they never even figured in what NA has
if you for 1 second think that Large Cities with Millions of ppl mostly use Dial up you sadly mistaken
Broad ban has taken big strides, the amount of Dial up is still steadly falling, our two local ISP have a two week waiting period every day for the last 5 years to install DSL/Cable in to homes
Cable? You mean the cable company that has filed bankruptcy and is now going to cease operation tomorrow?
Thats right Excite@<hidden> is in real trouble... and so are Cable users.
Read these for more info:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011127/wr/tech_excitehome_dc_4.html
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20011129/tc/finding_a_backup_to_excite_home_1.html
So get ready to call up your old ISP with your tail between your legs... and beg for Internet Service again :-0
http://www.internetnews.com/isp-news/article/0,,8_905351,00.html
if ya go back to page 2 of this post RN youll see i posted that link because of a comment you said , well that link states that 91% of the people on the net in the US are on dial up , 9 % are broadband now thats about 70 million people on dial up , city or rural most of the people online are dial ups
RN Malboeuf
Nov 30 2001, 15:18
udder Crap, 70 miliion lol
and Rogers@<hidden> does not seem to have any problems, Rogers has about the same amount of money in reserves as Turner does
We have Shawhome about 2 hours away from us, but our cable is not linked to them
What do you sell Eddy? DSL/Cable? whast faster in your area?
Cable here is 3 times faster then ADSL (1-3 user node sharing)
where in our surroundig comunities ADSL is twice as fast due to the new technology installed compared to their city counter parts on the Same ISP
Excite is Crap, now if we can just get rid of AOL
(Edited by RN Malboeuf at 12:35 pm on Nov. 30, 2001)
70 Million sounds about right. Sometimes the truth hurts Malboeuf. Dialup is by far more popular than Cable or DSL.
We do many services and if you are interested you are welcome to visit our website... Malboeuf. This is not the place to SELL my services. www.1st.net
DSL and Highspeed Wireless are the future. Not Cable... which is shared and has more issues than I care to go into.
RN Malboeuf
Nov 30 2001, 19:48
True, but not here, our Cable is just not shared like the Larger Cities where you get 30 Users per node
we have a roughly a T1 speed for each user running off of Fiber from the Juctions Boxes on the each corner, and never more then 3 users per node
If i lived in a larger City, then ya I'de head over to DSL
Wireless has it's problems, we have a dealer here now that sell it, it's twice as fast as the local DSL but still not as fast as the Cable
They have been unable to do more then just a few Company Contracts and have all ready laid off 3/4 of thier Employees, thery are down to 3 personel (ex GF still works for them thats how I know)
Also Wireless is just that, wireless, open to countless more Security leaks, and having a Transmitter so close to you opens concerns for Radiation and Cancer
I was just at a demonstration on Security leaks on Wireless, with a lap to and a Transever one can eves drop on any data being sent un less the Data is Encrypted by the hard ware or the soft ware
scary stuff, I wont bet on it's Future, but it will have it's place
(Edited by RN Malboeuf at 4:55 pm on Nov. 30, 2001)
Col Rambo SBS
Nov 30 2001, 22:44
Must be #### for those 100 Cable users in a single street.
once they all log on there connction will be worse than a 56k dialup anyway.
My Friend has Cable, every time his GF switches the TV on his connection crapps out.
RN Malboeuf
Nov 30 2001, 23:26
lol
each block does not have 100 houses, it has 15 average (per side)
Small cities run about 3-5 users on a node, and larger cites have 15-30+ users,
if every one on the block is dloaing movies then yea it will slow down, but thats rare, it's not like they have a T1 or T3 running to the Juction box, these are Fiber Line which handle allot more
Cable net runs at different freqencies (seperate un used channels) and should not effect other channels, if it does then the compainy realy needs help
On Average, When Cable slows down on Peak times, they can still have more speed then an ADSL line
this is true since the average ADSL users has 256-512k dload
Cable runs much higher on average 768-1000k, so if we get a minor slow down, we'll still be faster then ADSL
I can easliy say ADSL falls asleep and you'll have problems with programs that think your off line
I see this on allot of ppls ADSL locally
and I've had my Cable contection stop only twice in the last three years
I can live with that
Cable may slow down for some
but DSL is allot slower on Average
Wireless is Fast I just saw a 11 MB router for the home
I don't need to argue this... and I won't.
BUT... I will tell you Wireless is capable of up to 100Mbps with the right setup. Just a matter of time before this becomes more commonplace.
BIG Corporates (like AT&T and SBC) aren't doing this... and thus it's rollout will be like when the NET started... slow but sure. Done right...
RN Malboeuf
Dec 1 2001, 15:08
yea we know it can go that fast, but look at DSL it can co up to 8mb with some modems, more with others like Cable, but yet no one does it
Why?
1) Too Expensive, no one will PAY for it unless it's free
2) it's against the Law for Residential users, they have set Speed Restirctions (CRTC look it up)
you wont Aurgue because it makes Wireless look Bad, I would how ever use it for gaming, but the wireless here is just not as fast as our cable, nor will it be for some time if they don't go under.
100mb yes but never for Residential
why?
1) Too Expensive, no one will PAY for it unless it's free
2) it's against the Law for Residential users, they have set Speed Restirctions (CRTC look it up)
3) it's open to more Security Breaches, then line Run internet
@<hidden> Cable is out across the country right now if you weren't aware.
@<hidden> shutdown operations... gone...
wasnt there a form of dsl that went to over 40mbits?
dont remember the name for it tho..but it used the whole phone line so you could not be on phone the same time.
RN Malboeuf
Dec 1 2001, 19:17
Rogers@<hidden> is fine as is Shaw@<hidden>
we're independent of Amicanski problems
My ADSl connection from Telus in BC, Canada is 640up/1500down. That's their standard package for $39.99 including two IPs.
(Edited by Desloc at 1:11 pm on Dec. 2, 2001)
I have Insight@<hidden>, they AREN'T shut-down http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I think it was only a few co's not the whole @<hidden> business.
(Edited by WisdoM at 1:58 pm on Dec. 3, 2001)
RN Malboeuf
Dec 3 2001, 05:57
alot of @<hidden> is Owned my Rogers, all the ones they Own are fine
Rogers@<hidden>
Shaw@<hidden>
I asked about Excite and they Said they are owned by Rogers and Rogers owns Lycos as well, So I can't see them going under
so Excite should recover unless Rogers kicked them out
Rogers is the Candian Version of Turner (Ted), #### they're even buddies
King Kong
Dec 3 2001, 20:00
Just uncapp your cable modem with a program called
f**kupc F*u*c*kUPC
it only works for Homelan cable modems
I had a limit of 16 kb p/s so i uncapped it,
and now people can download with up to 200 kb from me
(Edited by King Kong at 11:04 pm on Dec. 3, 2001)
RN Malboeuf
Dec 3 2001, 20:13
this does not work much and many ISPs usually scan the modems or reprogram then every so often (ours is every Sunday 3 AM)
King Kong
Dec 3 2001, 20:16
Well, im doing it a half year right now
Rogers does NOT own @<hidden>
Sorry no go man... Excite@<hidden> is Bankrupt...
Just read the news man... it's everywhere now.
RN Malwhateva,
Dood do you ever get down from that horse?
**funny how your never wrong in your posts**....
Is there anything you dont know?
I'm 56gay in the UK (not by choice) and born in the USA..guess what ? theres more out there than just the states... You come across as an arrogant know it all in all or most of your posts..very one minded.. when you say something it is written in stone....give it a f**kin rest..
no one is correct all the time.......
RN Malboeuf
Dec 4 2001, 15:14
>>>alot of @<hidden> is Owned my Rogers
>>>Rogers does NOT own @<hidden>
I stated allot of @<hidden> is owned by Rogers, not all of it Stop onling looking at it from a American POV
>>>>Well, im doing it a half year right now
>>>>this does not work much
where did I say it can't be done?
Email some how went out to your ISP about this
>>>>>Cpt Gamer FtK
Try and post something and not just a flame.
NA has more Broad ban USers then the UK, yes, still does not suport your case
Post a link on the Stats for Broad Ban users compared to Dial up in stead of a flame to show your intelligence
untill then your arguements/flames are not suported
>>>>>guess what ? theres more out there than just the states
I'm in no way an American, and where did I say I was 100% correct? you read to much into posts and then only Flame, try and be a little more open minded
Malboeuf... hardly... Rogers would own very little if ANY of NOONE@<hidden>
Do not post about stuff you do not know.
Rogers I would say has a better handle on things than AT&T, COX and COMCAST but only because they are smaller.
Whats going on with @<hidden> anyway? My cable provider bought a 90day contract, so the serivce stays up, until they find a new buyer er some s**t, so why didnt everyone do this?
RN Malboeuf
Dec 5 2001, 14:40
lol@<hidden>
http://www.rogers.com/english/other/other.html
Yes Wisdom I just read that Excite did the same thing, they all did here, I found a Rogers Page that said that Rogers owns the @<hidden> network in Canada and 25% in the US, you need to be a Rogers Employee and log in on that site to actually see that informations, Rogers has a Employee News letter that states this very fact, Since my Uncle is a Rogers Employee he showed it to me.
Ted Rogers has allot of ownership in American Cable and @<hidden> services http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif regardless of what Eddy says
Tsk tsk Eddy, not up to date are you
When the service is bought out, doesnt it normmaly get worse teh first few months? But my Cable co. is all aobut pleasing the customer, so maybe they will do some better stuff *crosses fingers*
TSK TSK...
Where does this (from the link you gave):
"Its highly-successful ventures include the Quicken.ca personal finance site, the Electric Library Canada subscription-based online research service, and the Rogers@<hidden> cable modem access product."
say Rogers owns a lot of Excite@<hidden>? It mentions Rogers@<hidden> and doesn't even say the level of investment. Which again Rogers would own very little if any of Excite@<hidden> and if they did own some they are just down right stupido...
Furthermore this tells me that they don't even know HOW to invest. What the #### is this stuff... it's like penny ante sh_it.
Man you are so off... stop spewing SH_IT about something you know NOTHING about.
STOP!
Yes expect some major waves in the future with Cable access.
AT&T is looking to dump their cable and move to a DSL platform. This is not new news... just read the Tech Sector daily and you will see this stuff.
RN Malboeuf
Dec 5 2001, 20:32
Shared Cable in the larger Cities does suck, but I live in a small city 65,000 so we don't have to worry about it much
if I did live in a larger City I'de pay for higher end DSL or Wireless. as long as it was fast, I would not care if criminals saw me pay my bills in 128 bit encryption, they would have to sort it out from all the MP I play at home
Col Rambo SBS
Dec 5 2001, 22:17
look, what this game needs is for one or two of you guys with yer superdooper mega turbo connections to put up and leave running a dedicated server that can cope with loads of players with decent maps.
Its pointless at the moment with hundreds of servers online at the same time with only 2 or 3 people in each of them
RN Malboeuf
Dec 5 2001, 23:35
Mines comming just after Xmas
T3 based in Central NA
1.6 ghz Athlon 512 megs ram
4500/4500
<<<<<<<doesn't even say the level of investment. Which again Rogers would own very little if any of Excite@<hidden>
Try all of it, they own 100%
Ummm... we already have that Col Rambo. We have 10-30 people on at almost all times. It is completely dedicated and has some awesome maps.
Notice the tag below?
Malboeuf... man are you an idiot?
Rogers doesn't own 100% of Excite@<hidden>! That is idiotic to even say... first off it is a PUBLIC company meaning it was traded on the Market (before bankruptcy). Second AT&T owns like 23%. Third... what get a clue???
Man stop the spewing... just admit you have no clue about things of this nature and shut up and leave it at that.
RN Malboeuf
Dec 6 2001, 15:11
1st off I don't think you understand the many areas of the Excite network <-----key word here
I never said it 100% of Excite, I said 100% Excite@<hidden>, you know the subject we are discussing
there are different areas, #### our major ISP here MTS.Net owns part of the excite network as well, Rogers does not like them and almost sued them for several reason (has to do with not allowing Call Display to Rogers Cell Phones) this would have resulted in Rogers actually buying out MTS and then owning, it, MTS just barely escaped, if you knew about this you would have known this was a nother step to owning more of the excite network <--- key word, which in turn giving Rogers the ability to buy several other companies
you in no way up to date
best lay off the Flaming, it does not help your claims, open your eyes and learn to read man, your starting to jump the gun and make a fool of your self
I don't need to Flame to have a civilzed arguement
if you noticed
>>>>>>you need to be a Rogers Employee and log in on that site to actually see that informations, Rogers has a Employee News letter that states this very fact, Since my Uncle is a Rogers Employee he showed it to me.
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Tsk Tsk
Col Rambo SBS
Dec 6 2001, 18:10
What port is that server on?
RN Malboeuf
Dec 6 2001, 20:41
Frag is on Default
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Yes expect some major waves in the future with Cable access.
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Do you mean this in a good or bad way?
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