Russian strike aircraft....

[OntosMk1]

Ok, anyone out there plan on making some Russian attack aircraft? The Su-25 is nice but its more like the A-10....
We need something like the Mig-27 or maybe even the Su-24.
Just a request really...We need something to give the 109ADATS a run for its money....And so far even the Tunguska ist struggling with the AMX Tornado...

[CrunchyFrog]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, anyone out there plan on making some Russian attack aircraft? The Su-25 is nice but its more like the A-10....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Maybe, havent really seen anything

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We need something like the Mig-27 or maybe even the Su-24.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

No, we dont need mach-3 attack planes

[BigQEd]

Actually yes we do...

BTW, The is a MiG-29 out (Textures are buggy on it). I would like to see a MiG-31 http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

There&#39;s F14, F15 (being made) and an F16. We need more Soviet MiGs&#33; http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[OntosMk1]

Neither the Mig-27 or the Su-24 are Mach 3 capable aircraft.
I would compare the Mig-27 to the Tornado or maybe an F/A-18 and the Su-24 is almost a direct copy of the F-111B.

Right now the Russian strike craft (Su-24) that are in game are incredibly vulnerable to Stingers/Sa-7s. The Tornado and Skyhawk mods that have been put out move too fast for the SAMs (ZSU-24/AS6/SA-7) to track. Anyways....I just think it would be cool to have a Mig-27 or some Russian attack plane in game http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Aaron Kane]

Hmm.... yeah, a MiG-27 would be really cool.... or we could just go HARDCORE and make a MiG-28 from Top Gun&#33; http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[advocatexxx]

They already made Sr-71 which crosses Everon faster than I can manage to shoot a fart. Hooray&#33; What the hell is the point of those hyper fast planes other than eye-candy sitting on the runway. B-2s, F117s and other stealthy/secret technology aircraft are flying only from their own designated airports where security is very tight. They don&#39;t just send out a top-technology aircraft to some no name island with a tiny airstrip you know.

[habdoel]

if you dont like it, dont dl it...
i love to have some high tech jets on my no name island with a tiny airport to blow up

[BigQEd]

There already is a MiG-29... it runs and looks pretty good.

However there seems to be issues with the Textures. When you place several of them in a mission they really lag it.

Any ideas as to what this might be? I would love to fix this issue with them.

Here is a link to the MiG:
http://www.opflashpoint.org/addons.php?v=226

[B@ZOOkA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (advocatexxx @<hidden> Nov. 13 2002,17:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They already made Sr-71 which crosses Everon faster than I can manage to shoot a fart.  Hooray&#33;  What the hell is the point of those hyper fast planes other than eye-candy sitting on the runway.  B-2s, F117s and other stealthy/secret technology aircraft are flying only from their own designated airports where security is very tight.  They don&#39;t just send out a top-technology aircraft to some no name island with a tiny airstrip you know.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
sorry but hes right... these addons look really cool but theyre almost useless http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif ... i know... u dont have to download them ... but all the talented modeller, skinner and coder should use their time for addons that give something to opf... tanks, helos, ships and slow/lowflying ground attack planes... the only REALLY usefull planes we got yet is the bronco... plz think about it http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[BigQEd]

Non-sense... that&#39;s merely a matter of opinion.

We have several missions with F14&#39;s and other Jets. They work great&#33; The missions are a lot of fun.

[Eviscerator]

i think the SU-25 and A-10 are perfect for any modern day close air support aircraft, the only thing i want for modern day is two seat versions, they are around, although probably trainers, flying in an attack plane with another person in ofp is very cool, also if they could change the angle of the weapons and slight model improvements(this is probably a job for p3dedit guys), other than that, the best aircraftt hat fit ofp&#39;s style of play are probably vietnam era aircraft, things like the A-6/A-7/A-37/A-1 are all sub sonic(i think) ground attack/close air support aircraft, for the russians the mig 17/19&#39;s will do around the same job whe configured for ground attack, for heavy ground attack, you have things like the F-105/F-111 or SU-24/Mig-27 creating modern fighters doesnt make sense when these aircraft would be much more useful

[habdoel]

i&#39;v seen some pics of a russion bomber on a site:
http://ofp.gamezone.cz/screenshots2/image001.jpg

[mads bahrt]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (advocatexxx @<hidden> Nov. 13 2002,17:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They already made Sr-71 which crosses Everon faster than I can manage to shoot a fart. Hooray&#33; What the hell is the point of those hyper fast planes other than eye-candy sitting on the runway. B-2s, F117s and other stealthy/secret technology aircraft are flying only from their own designated airports where security is very tight. They don&#39;t just send out a top-technology aircraft to some no name island with a tiny airstrip you know.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If the islands are crosed to fast its only because nobody has got their gear together and made a 25.6kmx25.6km or a 51.2kmx51.2km map. This has been possible since 1.75 - why hasn&#39;t anyone exploited it?

[Tovarish]

Someone should make the Su-30MK, seeing as it&#39;s western counterpart, the F-15E is coming soon http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/fsu30mk_vl.jpg
http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/fsu30mk_p_01_l.jpg
http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/fsu30mk_p_03_l.jpg

http://academic.algonquincollege.com/students/lope0036/su30mkweapons1_c1.jpghttp://academic.algonquincollege.com/students/lope0036/su30mkweapons2_c1.jpghttp://academic.algonquincollege.com/students/lope0036/su30mkweapons3_c1.jpg

Front cockpit:
http://academic.algonquincollege.com/students/lope0036/su30mkcockpit4_c.jpg

Rear cockpit
http://academic.algonquincollege.com/students/lope0036/su30mkcockpit3_c.jpg

Note the displays are in English, this is the export version.

[Eviscerator]

i think either the SU-32 or SU-34 would be better, as two seat planes are much more fun in ofp than single seat planes


http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/su-32-line.gif
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/su-34-line.gif

[Tovarish]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Eviscerator @<hidden> Nov. 19 2002,23&#60;&#33;--emo&http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i think either the SU-32 or SU-34 would be better, as two seat planes are much more fun in ofp than single seat planes[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

The Su-30 IS a two seat fighter note I provided pics of front and rear cockpit. The 32/34 is simply a longer ranged, almost purely ground attack variant. The Su-30, like the F-15E has more flexibility for multirole (I realize some of the pics I posted aren&#39;t working, I&#39;ll fix that when I get home tonight, for now just copy and paste into your browser, and navigate to them)

[edc]

I think it kinda be a pain in the *ss for 2 seat planes. For example lets say your in a 2-seater as a pilot and are trying to shoot down another plane w/ guns. Instead of just being able to press the fire button on your joystick or left-click using the mouse, you would have to press CTRL on the keyboard to fire more than Five or so rounds.

[Eviscerator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @<hidden> Nov. 19 2002,23:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Eviscerator @<hidden> Nov. 19 2002,23&#60;&#33;--emo&http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i think either the SU-32 or SU-34 would be better, as two seat planes are much more fun in ofp than single seat planes[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

The Su-30 IS a two seat fighter note I provided pics of front and rear cockpit. The 32/34 is simply a longer ranged, almost purely ground attack variant. The Su-30, like the F-15E has more flexibility for multirole (I realize some of the pics I posted aren&#39;t working, I&#39;ll fix that when I get home tonight, for now just copy and paste into your browser, and navigate to them)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
oh didnt notice that, but still i think a dedicated ground attack and the side by side seating would be better than the usual tandem seating, ofp doesnt really need multirole fighters....

[Tovarish]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Eviscerator @<hidden> Nov. 19 2002,23:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">but still i think a dedicated ground attack and the side by side seating would be better than the usual tandem seating, ofp doesnt really need multirole fighters....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well, now that Fighter jets can engage with missiles (http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard301/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=51;t=24069) properly, that may change http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif. It would be nice to have the side by side seating Su-32/34, but the main strenght of that type over the 30MK is longer range (I mean the thing has a toilet for christsakes). BTW, I fixed the pics. Should be a help to anyone thinking of texturing an Su-30MK interior http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

[deadsoldier]

I was discussing with a few people my next project after im done with F-15E. I came to few options..and their all russian ..cause west has enough shit.

Su-34
Mig-29 (one ppl can actuly use)
Su-37.

I never considered the Su-30, cause for a 2 seater..the Su-34 would fine..and it looks cool. i love that jet.

So if u guys can help me make my mind..then i can start my research on it to begin modeling.

cheers

[The Sharpshooter]

But the second seat could be used as a cargo seat not only as a gunner seat, that way the co-pilot just helps you handle the situation. You are the one that does the killing http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[deadsoldier]

For a bomber role..u need a gunner to handle the bombs..lock and search for them..its hard for pilot to fly and use mouse to lock and shit...but if your just air patrol..against air threat..then u dont need gunner...thats why their single seat jets...the Su-34 is a bomber role. so the gunner is needed. In the F-15E we made it so the gunner controls the weopons.

its fun.

cheers

[Tovarish]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (deadsoldier @<hidden> Nov. 20 2002,18:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Su-37.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Ok, I&#39;m half Russian and I love that bird, but it would make no sense for a few reasons - it&#39;s just a prototype, and OFP doesn&#39;t need nor can it handle a "supermaneuverability" fighter. The Su-30MK would be a better analogue to the F-15E, but the Su-34 would be cool.

[deadsoldier]

true.....so then this means its either.

Su-30
Su-34
Mig-29

cheers

[The Sharpshooter]

Don´t make the Mig-29, there is already a very good MIG-29 done by Scorpio. Probably he´ll release a new version(I hope so)...

I think your choices are between SU-30 and SU-34

[RaptorAce]

Su-34&#33;

[Tovarish]

I&#39;d be happy with either http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif. But whichever you choose to make, here&#39;s a few more pics to help with texturing the cockpit.

Su-34:
http://academic.algonquincollege.com/students/lope0036/su-34-panel_01.jpg

And a couple more shots of the Su-30 front and back:
http://academic.algonquincollege.com/students/lope0036/su-30mkk-front.jpghttp://academic.algonquincollege.com/students/lope0036/su-30mkk-back.jpg

[Miles Teg]

Hey hey, woe hold on guys. Don&#39;t forget the good ol&#39; Su-24 Fencer. The Su-30 and Su-34 aren&#39;t widely used these days due to their cost, however the Su-24 has been used for awhile and is still the primary medium bomber used by the Russian Airforce. It&#39;s basically a copy of the F-111 Aardvark however it&#39;s made a lot more rugged. Like the Su-34 it has side by side seating, carries a huge amount of bombs and has terrain avoidance radar that is also used for targetting.
I think that overall the Su-24 Fencer would be the best heavy ground attack aircraft for OFP as it covers the cold war period and more modern times as well. As far as I know it&#39;s still going strong in the Russian Airforce.
It looks like a big Mig-23 but it&#39;s actually a much different aircraft then either the Mig-23 or the Mig-27 as it&#39;s larger, has better electronics, has side by side seating, and has a much larger weapons payload.
Info availabe at: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/su-24.htm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/su24_01.jpg


Chris G.
aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Eviscerator]

but its ugly http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[deadsoldier]

you have a good point Miles Teg...

but i would enjoy doing the su-34 or su-30 more...even the mig-29...i have a lot of info on mig-29...if im to make it..i have tons of plans for it...it will be extremely detialed..more than my f-15..yet less polys... i just need something fun to work with. and the su-24 is more "suitable" ..but does the OFP comunity realy will apreciate it for what it is?

cheers

[Tovarish]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Miles Teg @<hidden> Nov. 21 2002,04:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It&#39;s basically a copy of the F-111 Aardvark however it&#39;s made a lot more rugged.  [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
*sigh* Here we go again, just because two planes look alike http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif. The Su-24 is no more a copy of the F-111 than the Tornado, or than the Rafale is  of the Saab Grippen. You would think that once it came out that the MiG-29 had a lot of it&#39;s own unique innovations and wasn&#39;t  a copy of the F-18 or the F-15, that this myth of the Russians simply copying ariplanes would die. I would like the Su-24 in OFP, but more than that i would like an aircraft for the Russians that can also serve in the AA role. West already has the F-14, F-15 (soon) and F-16. So far the Russians have a MiG-29, and even that isn&#39;t very usable at this point.

[Eviscerator]

well i think after the TU-4/B-29 saga when something looks like a western aircraft, its assumed its a copy...

[Miles Teg]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @<hidden> Nov. 21 2002,05:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">*sigh* Here we go again, just because two planes look alike http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif. The Su-24 is no more a copy of the F-111 than the Tornado, or than the Rafale is  of the Saab Grippen. You would think that once it came out that the MiG-29 had a lot of it&#39;s own unique innovations and wasn&#39;t  a copy of the F-18 or the F-15, that this myth of the Russians simply copying ariplanes would die. I would like the Su-24 in OFP, but more than that i would like an aircraft for the Russians that can also serve in the AA role. West already has the F-14, F-15 (soon) and F-16. So far the Russians have a MiG-29, and even that isn&#39;t very usable at this point.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
When I say copy, I&#39;m speaking in very general terms. You are right it is definitely not an identical clone of the F-111. However it has a very similar design, and has an identical mission and purpose as the F-111. It shares much more in common with the F-111 then the Tornado for example. Like the F-111 it has it has a swing wing design, side by side seating of the crew, has a similar weapons payload, and has terrain-avoidance radar systems and all-weather day/night attack capability. Like the EF-111, there are also electronic warfare variants of the Su-24 as well.
But as you said, that&#39;s pretty much where the similarities end. The Su-24 is overall a fairly original looking design. One of it&#39;s strong points is its ability to take off from rough unprepared airfields. I read once an interview with Russian pilots who talked about the Su-24, and they really loved the plane for its ruggedness and low-level precision attack capabilities. It would be more work to create then the Su-34 (due to its swing-wing design which an addon maker may choose to animate like that F-14 addon that came out) but it&#39;s a very good aircraft for OFP.
http://home.achilles.net/~rjl/planes/su24m-1.jpg


If not that perhaps the Mig27?
There are some nice pics of the Mig-27 at:
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/vvs/mig27-01.htm


Chris G.
aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[ZIKAN]

I think that a SU-17 FITTER (SUKHOI) would be ok, it is a Fighter/Ground Attack aircraft.


http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/su-17-line.gif

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/su17_02.jpg

But really i would love to see someone make a Mig 31 &#39;FireFox&#39;,  http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif





http://oculusdesign.com/firefox/images/dogfight.jpg

[Tovarish]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ZIKAN @<hidden> Nov. 21 2002,16:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But really i would love to see someone make a Mig 31 &#39;FireFox&#39;, http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That or the MiG-28 from Top Gun http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[deadsoldier]

i think im gonna make the Mig-29. Simply because it is inthe cold war era..and tons of countries use the mig-29..and its a good fighter. and we need it in OFP. and the ones that are available..i either dont like them..or u cant fly them.

cheers