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quakergamer

Oct 26 2002, 22:43

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @<hidden> Oct. 26 2002,23:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmm is it me or are the colours all odd? Just looks nothing like the ones I've seen on tv.

Also you really need to learn how to make screenshots, 2.25mb are you nuts? http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
2.25 mbs http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Nope i see they are 225 kbs for the 3 pics :/.

ANyway about the colors it looked bad liek that so ive thinked it looked better like that.

*edit*
Maybe it looks too bright because of the lights ive put in my 3d program. Heres a pic in OFP , right side view.
http://www.multimania.com/quakergamer3/sa804.jpg

Placebo

Oct 26 2002, 22:55

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (quakergamer @<hidden> Oct. 26 2002,23:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2.25 mbs http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Nope i see they are 225 kbs for the 3 pics :/.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Not this end they're not, what paint package do you use for saving them? Because you're not saving them properly as true jpegs, when I right click and do save as it's trying to make me save them as bmp's, if I type in a jpg filename they're 2.25mb, if I save them as bmp's they're 2.25mb.

vade_101

Oct 26 2002, 23:00

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Heres a pic in OFP , right side view.
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in that one the soldier is "holding" the magazine rather than the handle .. if you look at gfx's sa80 he seems to have got it about right.

Placebo

Oct 26 2002, 23:16

The main thing that seems off to me is the lack of green colour, I know it's not there in the pic vade_101 posted either but whenever I see an SA80 it is green on the stock and grip, hard to find any decent pics though.....

http://www.lon.ac.uk/otc/athlone2.jpg

http://www.army.mod.uk/img/equipment/pw/images/pw_sa80.jpg

http://www.nato.int/kfor/chronicle/images/2001/nr_011116a_a.jpg

Bunch of fairly good quality high res pics at the bottom of this (http://www.ifrance.com/ArmyReco/europe/Angleterre/Armes/SA_80/SA-80_Angleterre_decription.htm) page.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ps/virtualave/SA-80_UK_07.jpg

http://www.mod.uk/img/modnews/images/sa80_kuwait_hires.jpg

quakergamer

Oct 27 2002, 00:47

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (vade_101 @<hidden> Oct. 27 2002,01:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Heres a pic in OFP , right side view.
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in that one the soldier is "holding" the magazine rather than the handle .. if you look at gfx's sa80 he seems to have got it about right.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I could try but it would make iyt look very bad in 1st person http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif. And anyway ill see waht I can do placebo

Placebo

Oct 27 2002, 00:54

I was just playing Fifa and it was a bit dark so I increased my brightness, your SA80 now definitely has the green on it, but (please forgive me for being so fussy) it's a lil bit the wrong shade of green when compared with the pics, and the other bits of the weapon are a bit too "shiney" if you look at the pics I posted it's a much more matt type finish http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I hope this is coming across as constructive criticism not pointless whining as I don't intend it like that http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

quakergamer

Oct 27 2002, 00:58

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @<hidden> Oct. 27 2002,02:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I was just playing Fifa and it was a bit dark so I increased my brightness, your SA80 now definitely has the green on it, but (please forgive me for being so fussy) it's a lil bit the wrong shade of green when compared with the pics, and the other bits of the weapon are a bit too "shiney" if you look at the pics I posted it's a much more matt type finish http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I hope this is coming across as constructive criticism not pointless whining as I don't intend it like that http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yea I know, but probably the otehr SA80s are covered with mud but my SA is plain new http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

Ill make it darker then should look better (At least I hope so)

ExtracTioN

Oct 27 2002, 01:19

Really good SA80 model + textures I love them nice work quaker it seems very good m8

quakergamer

Oct 27 2002, 02:33

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ExtracTioN @<hidden> Oct. 27 2002,02:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Really good SA80 model + textures I love them nice work quaker it seems very good m8[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well thank you, check out my upcoiming AK pack http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Eviscerator

Oct 27 2002, 02:43

er, first off i would like to yelp in horror, there are a lot of things wrong with this...having handled lots of SA-80's (albeit quite a few years ago) those textures are way off, they look like cartoons, and when was the SUSAT ever red? the front er...barrel guard(not sure what the real name is) is way too square, and the SA-80 doesnt have a fore sight like that(i dont think it actually uses any, not sure)...also your soldier is about to get very painfully injured by that brass about to come flying at him as youve got the cocking lever and the open....er 'hole' on the wrong side, theres just a lot of things wrong with it it resembles an SA-80 but its very far from the real thing....

ExtracTioN

Oct 27 2002, 03:15

Evis please stop saying quakers addons are bad the colors are cartoon colors I know most people laugh at you when you say that it has cartoon colors c'mon man the textures and model are superior.
Quakergamer is doing a great job keep up the good work quaker m8 don't listen to Evis I think he is drunk http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
hey quakergamer your SA80 rocks but it need a landy too

ExtracTioN

Oct 27 2002, 03:18

quaker don't listen to evis that the textures are cartoon looking they are really nice textures evis is only on 1 thing right on the red susat

Eviscerator

Oct 27 2002, 04:07

er...im being serious, the textures are all wrong, have you ever seen a SA-80 in real life? if you have youll know it doesnt look like that...

Eviscerator

Oct 27 2002, 05:53

i just saw over at opflashpoint.org someone spotted that your SA-80, M249 and M82A1 Barret skins are all downloaded CS Skins....

(name) M82A1BarrettLight50

http://www.cs-skins.net/engine_....rows=10 (http://www.cs-skins.net/engine_files.cfm?page=showfiles-page4&game=9&filetype=20&filesubtype=18&sort=FileDate&sorttype=DESC&currow=21&numrows=10)

(name) AOSA80Susat

http://www.cs-skins.net/engine_....rows=10 (http://www.cs-skins.net/engine_files.cfm?page=showfiles-page4&game=9&filetype=20&filesubtype=31&sort=FileDate&sorttype=DESC&currow=51&numrows=10)

M-249 eigth from the bottom.

http://www.cs-skins.net/engine_....type=28 (http://www.cs-skins.net/engine_files.cfm?page=showfiles-page4&game=9&filetype=20&filesubtype=28)

so...not only did you download the skins, you downloaded one that was the wrong colour :/ are the models yours too? or are they the ones that came with the skin?

Soul_Assassin

Oct 27 2002, 10:33

Maybe it's just me but I spent 5 minutes comparing the models and the do look amaizingly alike...hmm...the textures are the same no doubt.

Ohh how I hate this http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Munger

Oct 27 2002, 11:29

Uh oh Quaker... http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

You could at least have admitted you were downloading them. No-one would have mind if you did that and credited the author in the readme. Guess you wanted all the credit yourself huh?

ExtracTioN

Oct 27 2002, 11:32

I have not seem a SA80 in real life the textures can be ripped from CS or maybe not the textures can be wrong not sure about that but 1 thing is truth the textures are not cartoon looking

Major Fubar

Oct 27 2002, 11:38

Sounds like Eviscerator has a bit of a personal problem with some of the other modmakers here. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

ExtracTioN

Oct 27 2002, 11:39

The textures are from agent orange and quaker give him credits read it quakergamer

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Posted: Oct. 26 2002,22:47

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Hey,
Ive finisehd anotehr weapon. This time the SA80 .

http://www.multimania.com/quakergamer3/sa802.jpg
http://www.multimania.com/quakergamer3/sa803.jpg
http://www.multimania.com/quakergamer3/sa80test3.jpg

BTW thanks to agent orange for his awesome textures

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http://www.roughnecks.org/opgwc

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and go here to evis link of the SA80 SA80 link of evis from CS (http://www.cs-skins.net/engine_....rows=10)
scroll down to SA80 read who the author is Agent Orange and quaker give him credits for his texture sheeeeeeez guys in the future read the entire topic than judge people

ExtracTioN

Oct 27 2002, 11:42

Oh and Munger m8 did you have Downloaded the SA80 addon of quakergamer??
I think not so you could not readed the readme file right how know you that he is not giving credit to him when you read first post on topic of quakergamer he says thank to Agent Orange for his wonderfull textures http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

ExtracTioN

Oct 27 2002, 11:48

And I know the model is not CS it is made from scrath

Frisbee

Oct 27 2002, 13:38

Looks cartoony to me,mighty shiny plastic there.
I'm sure quaker will improve it for a next version http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

quakergamer

Oct 27 2002, 14:39

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Munger @<hidden> Oct. 27 2002,13:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Uh oh Quaker... http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

You could at least have admitted you were downloading them. No-one would have mind if you did that and credited the author in the readme. Guess you wanted all the credit yourself huh?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Nope ive aske the authors http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif/

Jyust look on the first pae

BTW thanks to agent orange for his awesome textures

quakergamer

Oct 27 2002, 14:40

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ExtracTioN @<hidden> Oct. 27 2002,13:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The textures are from agent orange and quaker give him credits read it quakergamer

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Group: ModMaker
Posts: 552
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Posted: Oct. 26 2002,22:47

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Hey,
Ive finisehd anotehr weapon. This time the SA80 .

http://www.multimania.com/quakergamer3/sa802.jpg
http://www.multimania.com/quakergamer3/sa803.jpg
http://www.multimania.com/quakergamer3/sa80test3.jpg

BTW thanks to agent orange for his awesome textures

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http://www.roughnecks.org/opgwc

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and go here to evis link of the SA80 SA80 link of evis from CS (http://www.cs-skins.net/engine_....rows=10)
scroll down to SA80 read who the author is Agent Orange and quaker give him credits for his texture sheeeeeeez guys in the future read the entire topic than judge people[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
And ive did the same form y otehr models guyz ands ive asked them before takign their textures

Munger

Oct 27 2002, 14:44

Oh crap, my utmost apologies Quaker. My fault for not reading the post thoroughly. Sorry about that. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

quakergamer

Oct 27 2002, 14:48

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Eviscerator @<hidden> Oct. 27 2002,07:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i just saw over at opflashpoint.org someone spotted that your SA-80, M249 and M82A1 Barret skins are all downloaded CS Skins....

(name) M82A1BarrettLight50

http://www.cs-skins.net/engine_....rows=10 (http://www.cs-skins.net/engine_files.cfm?page=showfiles-page4&game=9&filetype=20&filesubtype=18&sort=FileDate&sorttype=DESC&currow=21&numrows=10)

(name) AOSA80Susat

http://www.cs-skins.net/engine_....rows=10 (http://www.cs-skins.net/engine_files.cfm?page=showfiles-page4&game=9&filetype=20&filesubtype=31&sort=FileDate&sorttype=DESC&currow=51&numrows=10)

M-249 eigth from the bottom.

http://www.cs-skins.net/engine_....type=28 (http://www.cs-skins.net/engine_files.cfm?page=showfiles-page4&game=9&filetype=20&filesubtype=28)

so...not only did you download the skins, you downloaded one that was the wrong colour :/ are the models yours too? or are they the ones that came with the skin?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well lets see what ve did.

IVe amde my own model, modified it to stick with the textures, asked the guy that made the model if I could borrow his textures and gave him fully credit.

I dont see what ive did wrong ?

quakergamer

Oct 27 2002, 15:11

Now to get back on topic. Ive made the gun quite darker. Tell me what you guyz think

http://www.multimania.com/quakergamer3/sa805.jpg

ZIKAN

Oct 27 2002, 18:21

A few things that amuse me:

The SUSAT site should be the same colour as the rest of the metal work, matt black. Also the eye piece on the SUSAT is too long you need to take at least 1/3rd of the length. The glass optics do not shine red like you have made it.

You have put a 'iron foresight' on the front which looks like its from a HK which makes it highly unrealistic and silly. You dont have iron sights with Optics like the SUSAT as they obscure the view through the optics.

I speak from experience of using this gat and I dont mean to mock you, but it isnt realistic using rainbow colours and i have seen better made already. If anything it looks like a customised toy for kids.

Eviscerator

Oct 27 2002, 20:46

ok...i never said you didnt give credit, the only thing that was my writing (as i said i got it from opflashpoint.org) was:

so...not only did you download the skins, you downloaded one that was the wrong colour :/ are the models yours too? or are they the ones that came with the skin?

which are legitamate questions....

Placebo

Oct 27 2002, 22:07

Keep things civil please http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

ZIKAN

Oct 28 2002, 11:48

Just a suggestion,
With the SUSAT could you make the aiming reticule glow slightly when its dark? on the side of the scope there is a small knob that you can turn to make it iluminate the reticule at different brightness's when there isnt much light. Only the apex of the aiming arrow is iluminated:

/\ <---------- the tip glows in low light.
| |
| |
| | <---------- this part remains black.
| |

quakergamer

Oct 28 2002, 12:07

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ZIKAN @<hidden> Oct. 28 2002,13:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just a suggestion,
With the SUSAT could you make the aiming reticule glow slightly when its dark? on the side of the scope there is a small knob that you can turn to make it iluminate the reticule at different brightness's when there isnt much light. Only the apex of the aiming arrow is iluminated:

/\ <---------- the tip glows in low light.
| |
| |
| | <---------- this part remains black.
| |[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yes it would be possible on the scope and on the optic view,.

Ill see hwo to do this first http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Miles Teg

Oct 28 2002, 12:40

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ZIKAN @<hidden> Oct. 27 2002,20:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A few things that amuse me:

The SUSAT site should be the same colour as the rest of the metal work, matt black. Also the eye piece on the SUSAT is too long you need to take at least 1/3rd of the length. The glass optics do not shine red like you have made it.

You have put a 'iron foresight' on the front which looks like its from a HK which makes it highly unrealistic and silly. You dont have iron sights with Optics like the SUSAT as they obscure the view through the optics.

I speak from experience of using this gat and I dont mean to mock you, but it isnt realistic using rainbow colours and i have seen better made already. If anything it looks like a customised toy for kids.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I agree.... it has some major realism problems. However another thing that really bothers me is that it is not held correctly by the soldier. At least GFX-707's SA-80 was held correctly by the soldier. The pistol grip is the front grip. The soldier does not hold it by the rear magazine.
If at least that is fixed and that front site post is taken off (along with other minor fixes with the scope and what not) then I think it could be a very good addon.
DWR actually fixed up GFX-707's SA-80 and made it quite good by fixing the problems with the .cpp file (so that soldiers wouldn't fire on full auto at long range) and adding Mad Dog's SA80 scope (which I believe is based on the actual scope). He also fixed up Bibmi's British paratroopers so that they worked in in Resistance, and were equipped with the improved SA80 but unfortunately they were never released I'm assuming because one or more of the original authors did not give him permission to and I think also because Bibmi was supposed to be working on his own pack that was supposed to work with Resistance...but that never happened unfortunately. I'm not sure what happened to Bibmi. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
If anyone knows him, please ask him to give us news of what he's been up to and whether he plans to release a final British infantry pack.

Chris G.
aka-Miles Teg<GD>

CrunchyFrog

Oct 28 2002, 12:42

I dont like it...

ZIKAN

Oct 28 2002, 16:03

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (quakergamer @<hidden> Oct. 28 2002,14:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ZIKAN @<hidden> Oct. 28 2002,13:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just a suggestion,
With the SUSAT could you make the aiming reticule glow slightly when its dark? on the side of the scope there is a small knob that you can turn to make it iluminate the reticule at different brightness's when there isnt much light. Only the apex of the aiming arrow is iluminated:

/\ <---------- the tip glows in low light.
| |
| |
| | <---------- this part remains black.
| |[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yes it would be possible on the scope and on the optic view,.

Ill see hwo to do this first http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Quaker i forgot to mention that the aiming point glows an orange colour, but its very subtle, hope that helps.

vade_101

Nov 3 2002, 16:44

oh, just in case you were interested this

http://www.army.picture-library.com/lowres/0/00100019.jpg

is what iron sights on the SA80 look like

Eviscerator

Nov 3 2002, 18:11

i dont think its used with just iron sights much though, ive lived around the british army a lot and ive never noticed one without a SUSAT, even in an armoury with 1000+ weapons they all had SUSAT's

Nov 3 2002, 20:22

Thats right Evis - Iron sights are only used by cadets these days, the SUSAT is much more accurate, and less prone to getting its aiming blade broken off....

We still use the iron sights in Cadets, and they are used in preliminary weapons handling training.

KDF

Nov 4 2002, 06:51

At one point (this policy may have since changed) only Infantry units had SUSATs issued with their L85s..the rest (Engineers, vehicle crews etc) had to make do with the iron sights.

vade_101

Nov 4 2002, 07:24

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The other type of sight, issued to non-infantry units such as transport drivers or cadets, for instance, is an iron sight, with the rear sight mounted in what appears to be a carry handle, and the foresight blade above the gas block.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

There was at one point some reluctance to issue SUSAT sights on some types of training op given that they contain Tritium which is radioactive (the other use of tritium is in making high-yield nuclear weapons) and can be a little dangerous if you smash the sight.