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Placebo
Oct 19 2002, 17:00
Seems to me this all started only a short while after the "Sniper School" patch was released for America's Army, thus it's all their fault http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
BlueJames
Oct 19 2002, 17:04
Ha!
Another attack in Ashland, VA this time CNN reported http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Audie Murphy
Oct 20 2002, 01:58
Well since the police were lent spy planes to catch this guy why isn't he caught yet.
Col. Kurtz
Oct 20 2002, 04:58
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Audie Murphy @<hidden> Oct. 20 2002,11:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well since the police were lent spy planes to catch this guy why isn't he caught yet.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
A spy plane might help cathc the sniper, but really, what do you expect? Unless the plane is equiped with special equipment that can read peoples minds, it would be a bit hard to find the sniper. There would be hundreds of people with white vans in the area, and no end of people with guns since its America. Unless the plane was lucky enough to spot the sniper walking down the street with a rifle in his hands, I wouldnt expect much.
Audie Murphy
Oct 20 2002, 05:21
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @<hidden> Oct. 20 2002,00:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Audie Murphy @<hidden> Oct. 20 2002,11:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well since the police were lent spy planes to catch this guy why isn't he caught yet.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
A spy plane might help cathc the sniper, but really, what do you expect? Unless the plane is equiped with special equipment that can read peoples minds, it would be a bit hard to find the sniper. There would be hundreds of people with white vans in the area, and no end of people with guns since its America. Unless the plane was lucky enough to spot the sniper walking down the street with a rifle in his hands, I wouldnt expect much.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The spy planes were supposed to focus in on gunshots. So he would shoot, the spy planes would find him.
In a related matter:
EDIT: Distasteful picture removed
PFC_Mike
Oct 20 2002, 05:41
not funny man, not funny. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
This guy or guys, is/are smart.
It is shrewd to use multiple vehicles, and to have one shooter+driver. But what weapons use 5.56? AR-15, what else?
The AR-15 is purchaseable, as long as it was made before 1994 when a ban on assault weapons was passed.
Many people say that this string of brutal murders is a reason to track the unique marking each gun leaves on a weapon. Surely these people realize that a file on the barrel can change this in a few minutes.
All gun control laws have their roots in preventing the populace from revolting. In the UK, it was to disarm union member and socialists. In the 1700s in Japan, Toyotomi Hideyoshi banned weapons to cement his rule. I'm not saying that gun control laws are always to prevent change, but that is where their origins are for. BTW, 5.56 rounds are good for target shooting. Or self defense.
In the UK, people have defended themselves from criminals and been sent to prison. An elderly man was sentenced to life after fatally shooting one burglar and injuring another. He had been robbed five times. If live across the pond, just home noonve ever threatens you or your property...cuz there's nothing you can do.
PFC_Mike
Oct 20 2002, 05:44
meant to add this in my last post but forgot-
Anyone who has played OFP can tell you it's harder to hit targets that move laterally rather than vertically-moving ones.
So of course this wannabe sniper is going after ppl at gas stations- all they do is move theire arms, but not really their heads or torsos.
Mister Frag
Oct 20 2002, 06:56
Audie Murphy, that's really tasteless! http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Also, the two planes that were assigned to help track the sniper are not capable of tracking gunshots or pinpoint their origin.
One of the planes is a military version of the Beech King Air, the other is a RC-7 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/arl.htm) equipped with FLIR and electronic sensors. The former plane is for transporting top-level investigators, and the second is supposed to help track a potential getaway vehicle or the sniper himself through his body heat.
RalphWiggum
Oct 20 2002, 06:59
temporarily closing
Col. Kurtz
Oct 20 2002, 08:52
Right, to confirm what SFG said:
Man wounded (http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/20/sniper.shootings/index.html)
Not confirmed wether this latest attack, which has left a man in a serious condition is the work of the DC sniper.
Hmmm, another wounded.
If this is the DC sniper, and he is trying to kill people, he's/she starting to lose his touch.
Isn't this whole sniper thing an overreaction considering that on average homicide rate is 250 cases/year in DC?
Col. Kurtz
Oct 20 2002, 10:21
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @<hidden> Oct. 20 2002,20:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Isn't this whole sniper thing an overreaction considering that on average homicide rate is 250 cases/year in DC?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Chill brought up a similar question also and I will answer along the same lines.
For this case lets say husband for whatever reason shoots his wife, tragic, he goes to jail.
It might get a little coverige on TV(but with so many shootings over there, probably not), but not much will be fought of it. Here, here we have someone who has an entire state in fear. The sniper/killer has moved around an area striking down targets at will. He hasnt been caught. He's/she still at large, he/she is still killing. People fear that next time they go to a gas station etc. the might be the next target.
When someone gets annoyed with another person and kills them, as long as you have no relation to the killer, you dont really fear them.
pathfinder
Oct 21 2002, 04:12
For awhile I thought the sniper was a cop , either on duty or off but not a wanna be. As some tactics like shutting down major highways should stop your average killer but not this guy. Has anyone tried to use GTA3 as a test model? Yeah I know not very realistic, but I wouldn't wanna test a theory any other way.
Drive to a spot on the map and don't get in any accidents. Stop an hide your car and pick a target , shoot and take off without making a scene. In real life your escape routes might be closed off unlike the game. And with people calling in every gun shot it would be a big gamble. I failed eveytime as fender benders are common in that game.
And one other thing I thought about, isn't there a boltaction rifle that uses an AR-15 barrel and mags? I saw it in a gun mag it was called a CAM rifle. It wouldn't be hard at all to hide in a car or van. Cut down a little bit, and it could be hid on a person.
I hope they catch and kill whoever is doing it. The knee jerk assholes are already circling above ,ready to impose gun laws that can be circumvented by a few grains of sand(barrel tracing)or a file(firing pin tracing).
Tex [USMC]
Oct 21 2002, 05:42
Anyone else still on about how great a shot this guy is?
BTW, here's hoping that this guy's next victim is Wolf Blitzer.
ZizleyBEar
Oct 21 2002, 16:12
Police take two men into custody in Virginia
Lets hope its the sniper they caught... CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/21/sniper.shootings/index.html)
Police also Responded (Real Player) (http://mfile.akamai.com/920/rm/thepost.download.akamai.com/920/metro/102102-2v.ram) to a message left at latest shooting scene.
(i dont get this.. Police responds to the sniper that they will respond to the sniper http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
[EDIT] Sources: Detained men not linked to sniper ...
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @<hidden> Oct. 20 2002,06:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Isn't this whole sniper thing an overreaction considering that on average homicide rate is 250 cases/year in DC?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well in a way, but actually if they nab this 1 or 2 guys they think they can stop many future killings which seem to be random. Regular homicides usually involve 1 or 2 victims and stop there for a very long time, with this "SNIPER" (whatever) they are sure they have big trouble and can't predict who is next. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ZizleyBEar @<hidden> Oct. 21 2002,12:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Police take two men into custody in Virginia
Lets hope its the sniper they caught... CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/21/sniper.shootings/index.html)
Police also Responded (Real Player) (http://mfile.akamai.com/920/rm/thepost.download.akamai.com/920/metro/102102-2v.ram) to a message left at latest shooting scene.
(i dont get this.. Police responds to the sniper that they will respond to the sniper http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yeah, apparently the killers arranged a safe surrender for themselves. We'll see what the briefing gives us now.
EDIT: BS, they are not saying shit in the briefing... it must be top secret or something ridiculous like that. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Oh dear.. http://www.msnbc.com/local/knsd/a1359298.asp?cp1=1
Placebo
Oct 22 2002, 03:33
LMAO morons http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
IceFire
Oct 22 2002, 04:23
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @<hidden> Oct. 20 2002,12:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Isn't this whole sniper thing an overreaction considering that on average homicide rate is 250 cases/year in DC?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No, cause the shooting have been happening in Montgomery County Maryland too WHICH IS NOT DC.
Montgomery County is NOTHING like DC, and we resent being considered apart of them just because we are in the "DC AREA". DC is a good 45 minutes to an hour away on the highway taking 270 to the beltway.
Here we have nice houses and this is a really good suburban area and we are one of the richest counties in the US. We are not some poor ghetto trash in DC, which is in our backyard. And we do not have alot of murders.
So yes, this is very NOT normal for us even if it may be for the DC people.
Col. Kurtz
Oct 22 2002, 05:26
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SFG @<hidden> Oct. 22 2002,13:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh dear.. http://www.msnbc.com/local/knsd/a1359298.asp?cp1=1[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
What utter trash.......
But not unexpected.
That comment by that guy saying that if 'snipers' didn't have violence in their life, they wouldnt be violent, hehehhe, thats rediculess. I would say this killer is motivated by hate, not violence.
If you look at murders and killing spree's, most are caused by hate or insanity, not the craving for violence.
The people in the white van that were arrested are being deported now because they violated some kind of immigration laws.
Major Fubar
Oct 22 2002, 05:52
I hope the gaming community (and online community in general) boycot Wal-Mart for this ridiculous knee jerk reaction.
If I lived in the states, I would... http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Tex [USMC]
Oct 22 2002, 06:00
you can't boycott them if they refuse to sell the product in the first place. This sort of thing is par for the course here in America, give them a month or two and common sense will reestablish itself. Remember all the incredibly stupid shit that went on just following 9/11? Same concept, different tragedy.
RalphWiggum
Oct 22 2002, 06:34
this isn't the first time Wal-Mart is acting nuts.
When Sherryl Crow released an album containing phrase that depicts WalMart as the source of cheap bullets that kill, they refused to sell it.
on the topic. it seems like police are onto something with their attempts to speak to suspects. I really don't know what they are upto, but hopefully it will lead to closure of this trouble.
IceFire
Oct 22 2002, 11:58
Looks like he's the sniper has struck again this morning at 6 am.
WAl-mat sucks anyways.I go to ebgames and gamestop to get my games.Wal-mart takes like a month to get a new game in ,and they don't have many copies of it.Also great thing about gamestop and ebgames ,you can return them if you don't like it and just get another game that you may like.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SFG @<hidden> Oct. 22 2002,05:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh dear.. http://www.msnbc.com/local/knsd/a1359298.asp?cp1=1[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
And yet, they have guns for sale in the other end of the store...
... I didn't know any1 could be that dumb these days... but surprice surprice.
Tex [USMC]
Oct 22 2002, 15:09
This morning:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/22/sniper.shootings/index.html
advocatexxx
Oct 22 2002, 15:20
They have photos of people pumping their gas in the D.C. area and having the reporters write how scared and frightened they all are. C'mon. Give me a break. There's a couple of million people living in the D.C. area and this Sniper seems to shoot one person every 2 days or so. You have a better chance of winning the lottery, and clearly nobody is walking around all excited, smiling and making plans on how to spend the millions, so why exaggerate so much ? There's a much, much, much higher chance those folks will die in a car accident that day then get shot by a sniper. It's just a bad point of view in my opinion. I often hate media for doing things like these. "People here are terrified, afraid to walk home alone, and their children as well... This is Rob Atkins, back to you John"...
John, cram it, 'mam.
Mister Frag
Oct 22 2002, 18:38
From http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/21/france.awol/
Sniper alert over French marksman
PARIS, Lyon --France has alerted Interpol about a crack military marksman who is missing in North America, prompting speculation over a link to a sniper who has killed nine people and wounded three in the Washington area.
The killings, which have taken place mainly around shopping centres since October 2, have baffled U.S. police and spread fear among Americans living in the area.
Police officers are trying to establish telephone contact with a messenger linked to the sniper, and on Monday arrested two men near the area from where the tipster rang authorities.
But neither man was charged and federal law enforcement sources said no evidence was found linking either man to the shootings.
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2002/WORLD/europe/10/21/france.awol/story.saint.cyr.ap.jpg
The French deserter had been training to be a second lieutenant in the army at the prestigious Saint-Cyr, in Coetquidan in the northern coastal region of Brittany. The school provides general training in shooting but does not train elite sharp-shooters.
The Frenchman went to the U.S. and Canada for a holiday in August and was due to return to the academy for the resumption of classes at the beginning of September but failed to turn up.
A French defence ministry spokesman told Reuters that "at this stage, we have absolutely no certainty that this military deserter is the Washington sniper."
Interpol has been notified and a judicial investigation is beginning, both normal procedures, the spokesman Jean-Francois Bureau added.
He could not confirm media reports that the 25-year-old deserter, who has not been named, had been identified by fellow students from an unofficial police sketch of the sniper.
Bureau said French authorities were exchanging information with their U.S. counterparts.
The French soldier is known to be an excellent marksman, The Associated Press reported. The deserter has not been in contact with his family since he left for the U.S., Bureau said.
Francois Guillermet, spokesman for Saint-Cyr, said it was the first registered case of desertion in the school's 200-year history and the man's disappearance was a "complete mystery."
hmm ..... yeah .....
they say that the school where he comes from doesn't train sharpshooters and marksmans , but the second after they call him "excellent marksman"
Sam Samson
Oct 22 2002, 18:48
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (advocatexxx @<hidden> Oct. 22 2002,17:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They have photos of people pumping their gas in the D.C. area and having the reporters write how scared and frightened they all are. C'mon. Give me a break. There's a couple of million people living in the D.C. area and this Sniper seems to shoot one person every 2 days or so. You have a better chance of winning the lottery, and clearly nobody is walking around all excited, smiling and making plans on how to spend the millions, so why exaggerate so much ? There's a much, much, much higher chance those folks will die in a car accident that day then get shot by a sniper. It's just a bad point of view in my opinion. I often hate media for doing things like these. "People here are terrified, afraid to walk home alone, and their children as well... This is Rob Atkins, back to you John"...
John, cram it, 'mam.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
you obviously have a real grip on how terror tactics work.
you should go talk to those people over in maryland on how silly they are.
go solve the world's problems! (while you're still young and know everything.)
advocate is right on his point , the terror wave is only caused by the media
NavyEEL
Oct 22 2002, 18:55
as far as the terror wave only being caused by the media...
umm i live up here. and while i don't goto school covered in kevlar, the fear is still quite real. true that we aren't all hiding whenever we go outside, but it's still scary. yeah the mathematical odds appear to be low--but it's sheer randomness, and that's what scares most people. it's better to not take your chances because you never know when your "lucky number" will get picked.
Ok, I have thought of a possible way this man chooses his targets, tell me what you think, but don't get all childish please. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
He seems to have a main theme of gas/fuel... people filling up their cars, usually minivans or SUV's (use lots), or a kid being driven to school in a car instead more efficient school bus, or a bus driver (or passenger) on a bus that sits idle (in that area many buses stay idle in morning). Most people he got also looked well nourished.
Really looks like he is punishing those who USE alot, fuel, food, etc. (mostly fuel I think) You know what I'm getting at?
Anyway, your suggestions on the target types are welcome. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Albert Schweitzer
Oct 22 2002, 19:37
me too, I accuse the media for a lot of things. IT IS FACT that many of those murderers are striving for recognition. A little bit less NEWS coverage would change a lot. This is also why on 9/11 the planes were send at an interval of around 30 minutes, they wanted all cameras to point at the tower once the second one rams into it. You could say, well they werent pilots so the timing of when you would dive into the tower wasnt possible. But no, fact is that they had such a good knowledge of the schedules so they actually could have timed it better..but no..they wanted everyone to watch.
And look how irresponsible the media are...using helicopters to film every goddamn car-chase..even the dude on the bridge who committed suicide by putting a shotgun into his mouth. In the US that was shown live in the AFTERNOON. Totally irresponsible and little helpful.
zverushka
Oct 22 2002, 19:47
It might be very unlikely that you would be shot, but in our area, in Fairfax county, the terror is VERy real. In fact, I saw some people bobbing and weaving going to there car, and the neighborhood I live in has FAR less people just taking a stroll.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sniper alert over French marksman
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Very possible, but why are they calling him a marksman? (I mean CNN)
Wonder how much "fitting" was made to the story for people to like it.
Tovarish
Oct 22 2002, 20:01
And now for today's "pot-and-kettle" story (http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-bc-ny--berkowitz-sniper1021oct21,0,3052853.story?coll=ny-nynews-reddots-headlines) Gotta love those who don't practice what they preach.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NavyEEL @<hidden> Oct. 22 2002,14:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">as far as the terror wave only being caused by the media...
umm i live up here. and while i don't goto school covered in kevlar, the fear is still quite real. true that we aren't all hiding whenever we go outside, but it's still scary. yeah the mathematical odds appear to be low--but it's sheer randomness, and that's what scares most people. it's better to not take your chances because you never know when your "lucky number" will get picked.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I agree with you, terror is not caused by the media, maybe what causes more fear after watching the media is that once you really know what's going on, you fear for your life. (which is a good thing in a situation like this)
Only advice I can give you is, be afraid when you think you should be, but do not panic. Think of actions to take depending on situation you may encounter, ie: I hear shot, I'm fine. I see the sniper taking aim. I'm pumping gas, what do I do to stay safe.
It's your life, you have a right to be afraid and plan. Panicking will not help anyone though.
Sh@d0w_Killer
Oct 22 2002, 20:09
Do you guys think it could be possible that it's not a pysco-sniper but maybe 2 terrorist's sent here to disrupt the D.C. area for a near future planned attack? Just think how much of a distraction this is right now for all the local agency's and not to mention the resorces being used up right now tring to track down the sniper....F.B.I. , A.T.F. ETC. are pumping alot of men and machinery(including milatary hardware )to search for the sniper. It could be a good diversion, couldn't it...Just my .02 worth.... http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sh@<hidden> @<hidden> Oct. 22 2002,16:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It could be a good diversion, couldn't it...Just my .02 worth.... http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yea why not, but could a terrorist group pull this off? Could be 2 men for sure, but the note says 1 man. (Dear Mr. Policeman; I am God)
Sh@d0w_Killer
Oct 22 2002, 20:24
Well, they pulled off the Trade Center bombings...if they were trained by someone's milatary it would make sense that it's a 2 man operation...
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sh@<hidden> @<hidden> Oct. 22 2002,16:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, they pulled off the Trade Center bombings...if they were trained by someone's milatary it would make sense that it's a 2 man operation...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Problem is everyone is vigilant now, looking hard for possible terrorists. Not like before WTC where media and authorities ignored threat. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Col. Kurtz
Oct 24 2002, 03:40
Just to bring up the latest news- supposedly the sniper has asked for money.
Sorry but no further information avaliable.
Tex [USMC]
Oct 24 2002, 03:44
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/23/sniper.shootings/index.html
mind boggling.
Looks like they got who they were after (from the above sotry).
Arrested them at a rest stop on I-70.
Be interesting where this goes. Says they found a note at the last shooting that had his stepsons fingerprints on it. They traced those prints to Williams and Tacoma, Washington. Guess we will have to wait and see.
DarkLight
Oct 24 2002, 15:03
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (advocatexxx @<hidden> Oct. 21 2002,18:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They have photos of people pumping their gas in the D.C. area and having the reporters write how scared and frightened they all are. C'mon. Give me a break. There's a couple of million people living in the D.C. area and this Sniper seems to shoot one person every 2 days or so. You have a better chance of winning the lottery, and clearly nobody is walking around all excited, smiling and making plans on how to spend the millions, so why exaggerate so much ? There's a much, much, much higher chance those folks will die in a car accident that day then get shot by a sniper. It's just a bad point of view in my opinion. I often hate media for doing things like these. "People here are terrified, afraid to walk home alone, and their children as well... This is Rob Atkins, back to you John"...
John, cram it, 'mam.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'd be scared too, i find it hard to believe that you really mean what you are saying.
Yeah of course, the chance that you are the one that gets shot is very small. But i bet all the people that got shot thought that the chance they'd get hit was very small too. Of course you can say that you probable won't get hit, and you probable are right too. But what if you aren't right?
I don't think people are overreacting, life isn't a game, you don't press the reset button after you get killed. When you are the unlucky bastard that meets one of this guy's bullets then it's just over, over and out. Tsk, it can all go so fucking fast.
SantaMania
Oct 24 2002, 15:28
here they are... the two happy bumps:
http://www.ekstrabladet.dk/images/snigskytter_e9db1f00b7c8a.jpg
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
BlueJames
Oct 24 2002, 16:35
Told you that it was AQ.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BlueJames @<hidden> Oct. 24 2002,18:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Told you that it was AQ.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
AQ? There is no evidence that suggested that.
This is also what you said:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey, I told you it was 9/11. 9 dead and 11 shot. The shootings have stopped haven't they? [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Tovarish
Oct 24 2002, 16:49
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BlueJames @<hidden> Oct. 24 2002,18:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Told you that it was AQ.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Police Arrest 2 Men in Sniper Case (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=514&ncid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20021024/ap_on_re_us/sniper_shootings_488)
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"I'm confident that these are indeed the people" sought in the killings, a law enforcement source told the AP.
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Neither man was believed to be associated with the al-Qaida terrorist network, the sources said.
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If you are going to start with "told you so's" at least make sure you are right http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
DarkLight
Oct 24 2002, 16:52
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @<hidden> Oct. 23 2002,19:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you are going to start with "told you so's" at least make sure you are right http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That has got to hurt...
Renagade
Oct 24 2002, 18:45
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @<hidden> Oct. 24 2002,17:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (advocatexxx @<hidden> Oct. 21 2002,18:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They have photos of people pumping their gas in the D.C. area and having the reporters write how scared and frightened they all are. C'mon. Give me a break. There's a couple of million people living in the D.C. area and this Sniper seems to shoot one person every 2 days or so. You have a better chance of winning the lottery, and clearly nobody is walking around all excited, smiling and making plans on how to spend the millions, so why exaggerate so much ? There's a much, much, much higher chance those folks will die in a car accident that day then get shot by a sniper. It's just a bad point of view in my opinion. I often hate media for doing things like these. "People here are terrified, afraid to walk home alone, and their children as well... This is Rob Atkins, back to you John"...
John, cram it, 'mam.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'd be scared too, i find it hard to believe that you really mean what you are saying.
Yeah of course, the chance that you are the one that gets shot is very small. But i bet all the people that got shot thought that the chance they'd get hit was very small too. Of course you can say that you probable won't get hit, and you probable are right too. But what if you aren't right?
I don't think people are overreacting, life isn't a game, you don't press the reset button after you get killed. When you are the unlucky bastard that meets one of this guy's bullets then it's just over, over and out. Tsk, it can all go so fucking fast.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
At the same time u could get randomly killed by a mugger etc http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Hopefully the cops got the right ones so there`ll be no more shootings and the stormtroppers can pack up and go back to traffic duty.
It would be funny ( funny http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif not funny ha ha) if they got the wrong ones and the sniper lived happily ever after
Assault (CAN)
Oct 24 2002, 19:52
Apparently, this guy was a Muslim convert.
Anyways, it can't be good for the sane Muslims of the
community.
Tyler
PitViper
Oct 24 2002, 19:58
This is homegrown Islamic terror.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @<hidden> Oct. 24 2002,21:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is homegrown Islamic terror.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
What a kneejerk response.
So the guy is a muslim convert. That means he's automatically doing it based on a religious concept? Bull!
This guy is a terrorist... but saying he's wprking out of some ideological terror is both premature, and possibly incorrect. After all, wasnt there some sort of demand for a payment to stop the killings?
Sounds like greed and anger to me, not some sort of jihad based on sound ideological and theological principles.
Renagade
Oct 24 2002, 20:29
no wait ,
hes a silent assasin of the gun control facist regime and the CIA thats been unwitting brainwashed programmed to kill ppl and then be thought of as an islamic terrorist thus killling 2 birds with one stone :o
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @<hidden> Oct. 24 2002,22:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">no wait ,
hes a silent assasin of the gun control facist regime and the CIA thats been unwitting brainwashed programmed to kill ppl and then be thought of as an islamic terrorist thus killling 2 birds with one stone :o[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
LOL.
When I left home this morning and CNN was yapping about the guy being a convert to Islam, I said 'Just wait, this guy really works for the CIA. Gun control AND a religious angle...the politicos and conspiricay theorists must be salivating like Pavlov's dog at a bell'
GMTA?
Assault (CAN)
Oct 24 2002, 21:04
You see Warin, during all of the shootings there was a second gunman on the grassy knoll.
That man is no other than..............
http://www.mtco.com/~ether/images/nader.jpg
Ralph Nader !!! http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
C'mon, he looks sooo evil in that picture it must be him!, Him and his left wing cronies who support gun control. Anyone with a name like Ralph must be a sadistic killer.
Damn those doers of evil !
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Tyler
Tex [USMC]
Oct 24 2002, 21:04
Innocent until proven guilty, remember. Although the evidence thus far seems pretty damning, lets not break out the gallows just yet
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [USMC] @<hidden> Oct. 24 2002,23:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Innocent until proven guilty, remember. Although the evidence thus far seems pretty damning, lets not break out the gallows just yet[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
True enough.
After all, there are a LOT of .223 rifles out there. And considering the amount of hysteria out there right now over this ongoing saga, I would be surprised if that Bushmaster isnt already in a lab being compared to the ballistics of the DC area shooter. And I wouldnt be surprised that, should it be a match, it will be all over CNN within a few minutes of confirmation. After all, it would difuse a LOT of stress.
So.... old man is indeed not part of any terrorist organization, but ex-military Gulf War Veteran.
Kid was probably a driver, well maybe the kid shot the last few after some training from Mohhamad. (last shootings were seldom accurate).
Ahh, finally this is over!
I think the war vet. got really pissed at US foreign policy involving oil (among other things), and that's why he picked targets that used fuel. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
EDIT: No games training is there? http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif No... real combat stress syndrome most likely.
pathfinder
Oct 24 2002, 22:06
I'm glad it's over! On the bright side the young shooter won't have far to travel , for the father/son picnic and the federal pen http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Guess I better think twice about selling my ambassador bullet proof vest on ebay.
Mister Frag
Oct 24 2002, 22:24
Apparently, not only do they have a match on the fingerprints of the suspects against notes left by the sniper, but the rifle is a ballistic match against rounds recovered from the shootings as well. I think the task force got the shooter(s).
Congratulations, and thanks!
USMC Sniper
Oct 24 2002, 22:28
I hope those bastards get fried on an electric chair.
Tex [USMC]
Oct 24 2002, 22:45
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @<hidden> Oct. 25 2002,00:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Apparently, not only do they have a match on the fingerprints of the suspects against notes left by the sniper, but the rifle is a ballistic match against rounds recovered from the shootings as well. I think the task force got the shooter(s).[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think you're right
RalphWiggum
Oct 24 2002, 23:04
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @<hidden> Oct. 24 2002,23:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyone with a name like Ralph must be a sadistic killer.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
bye bye Assault. insulting mod in such manner can only lead to ban.
RalphWiggum
Oct 24 2002, 23:04
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Placebo
Oct 24 2002, 23:13
LMAO worked out perfectly with that other one being last post of the page http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif You fooled me there, was about to check our ban list http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Albert Schweitzer
Oct 24 2002, 23:35
Assault Can constantly mails me and asks why he got banned. He cannot post anymore and is surprised since he didnt realy insult anyone. You should make a threat about all those being banned and justify it. He tried logging in under a different name and it didnt work either. I told him that I can post perfectly, could someone of you mods please reply to him under canadiantimbersyrup@<hidden>.
You didn't really ban him for the Ralph thing? Did you? http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Shit, I don't have enough time to follow most of the stuff in these forums. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Ahh, ok... I see
Assault (CAN)
Oct 25 2002, 03:39
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LMAO worked out perfectly with that other one being last post of the page You fooled me there, was about to check our ban list [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
LOL, he got me too. Good one. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">canadiantimbersyrup@<hidden>[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
LOL, so stereotypical. What's your e-mail?
German/beer/sourkraut@<hidden>?
Damn Germans and their one word sentences. Well, I had my actual e-mail available here for a while, then I started recieving tons of porno junk-mail. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
I wonder what could have happened......................
Tyler
Col. Kurtz
Oct 25 2002, 04:19
If I was the sniper, and the two men arrested arn't the real ones(which seems unlikely with all the evidence) I would slip away and stop the shooting. If the deicde that these two are the right ones and there are no more shooting, the two men will do the sitting dance in the electric chair and everyone will live happily ever after until the next problem emerges.
RalphWiggum
Oct 25 2002, 05:43
well, they found bullistic fingerprint match, and that's AFAI read the articles.
Didn't a man and a 17 yr old boy already catch the sniper?
Tex [USMC]
Oct 25 2002, 06:11
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rob @<hidden> Oct. 25 2002,08:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Didn't a man and a 17 yr old boy already catch the sniper?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
no, a man and his 17-year old stepson have been arrested as suspects in the sniper case
RalphWiggum
Oct 25 2002, 06:17
they traced all but 3 of bullistics to the recovered rifle..i wonder where the rest 3 came from....
Mister Frag
Oct 25 2002, 14:58
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @<hidden> Oct. 24 2002,23:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">they traced all but 3 of bullistics to the recovered rifle..i wonder where the rest 3 came from....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You're interpreting that data incorrectly.
The bullets from all but three of the shootings were ballistically linked to the Bushmaster rifle recovered from the suspect's car.
In the case of the other three shootings, the bullets were too fragmented to determine whether they matched or not.
RalphWiggum
Oct 25 2002, 14:59
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @<hidden> Oct. 25 2002,16:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In the case of the other three shootings, the bullets were too fragmented to determine whether they matched or not.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
yup. that's what i was thinking too.
Media Toots Own Horn (http://www.msnbc.com/news/825877.asp?0si=-)
God I hate the media...which is sad since that is what my degree is in :|
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @<hidden> Oct. 25 2002,02:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">bullistics[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Are you anti gun control or pro? http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Fukin bullistics tests. Stupid Canadians had to come up with something dumb like bullistics testing systems. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
(BTW: i'm joking)
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