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Sorry people but I accidentaly deleted the last thread. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
I was meaning to dele a post in the thread but clicked on the wrong button and deleted the entire thing.
This is not in an attempt to censorship or something like that. Feel free to continue the discussion here and I apologize for any inconvenience this might have caused.
Rhubarbman
Aug 21 2002, 06:56
I would come up with some crack pot consiracy theory, buts 8 am and i iant had any sleep.
Althought how can we continue if we don't know that last post ? http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Antichrist
Aug 21 2002, 07:09
I hope they don't open our "elite" forums to the public! http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
HellToupee
Aug 21 2002, 07:13
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Antichrist @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,21:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I hope they don't open our "elite" forums to the public! http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
*sits at the door rdy to crash the party*
Matthijs
Aug 21 2002, 07:16
Here's the original message: I got the following e-mail from BIS, in reply to my request for a copy of Oxygen.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dear Matthijs,
Thank you for your interest, O2 will be opend for public very soon.
On our www.flashpoint1985.com will be available the download link.
With The Best Regards
Nada Adamkova
BIStudio
----- Original Message -----
From: W.M. Crielaard
To: vyvoj@<hidden>
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 2:15 PM
Subject: Oxygen application
Dear Sirs / Mrs.,
[deleted some blah blah here...]
I hope to hear from you soon if my application will be accepted.
Kind regards,
Matthijs Crielaard
Webmaster BBEmariniers.NET[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
@<hidden> DENOIR:
Don't feel bad about it. I once deleted 80% of a forum, entering a wrong number in the "purge" options. Worst thing was, it was not my own forum, but one of my companions'...
OOOOPSSS!
http://www.tacnet.org/forum/ikonboard/non-cgi/emoticons/marnsmile.gif
RalphWiggum
Aug 21 2002, 07:33
thanx a lot Denoir! http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
my personal preference is that they have new section for O2 once it is released. since Breathe forum has so many stuffs that will take us long time to regurgitate, we need to have a fresh new forum for general modding community.
Rhubarbman
Aug 21 2002, 07:47
I say keep the stuff that ppl need for O2 and everything else leave "secret" so that the modmakers dont complain about us looking at it or asking about it.
It's not that we don't want you asking for it, it's just that we were selected for the Breathe program, and we should still reap the benefits of that.
If you will get all the perks we've had/have, there was really no point in that program was there?
Espectro
Aug 21 2002, 08:10
As i said in the old thread, but nobody probably noticed since denoir cencored it http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Anyway, why not make a new forum called "New breath" or something for us newbies to visit and post in. And then make the old "Breath" forum public as well, but only modmakers have write-permissions in it. Just like the "Flashnews" forum. This means us newbies can go searching for problems etc. in the old forum, while the 1337 people can continue to solve the more advanced problems. Of course we would appreciate that they would visit the "new breath" forum as well to help us out http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Rhubarbman
Aug 21 2002, 08:29
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,10:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's not that we don't want you asking for it, it's just that we were selected for the Breathe program, and we should still reap the benefits of that.
If you will get all the perks we've had/have, there was really no point in that program was there?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Why? do beta testers get a free copy of the game or special treatment once game is out?
Espectro
Aug 21 2002, 08:34
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,10:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's not that we don't want you asking for it, it's just that we were selected for the Breathe program, and we should still reap the benefits of that.
If you will get all the perks we've had/have, there was really no point in that program was there?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
With all due respect, you are completely wrong. You guys have had months of learning the program, using the program before the rest of us. You have allready gotten your part of the cake. I dont see why there should be an "elite modelling group" anymore. Of course, my Idea goes a little overthere, but i was more thinking my idea as a beginning, and maybe in a few months, the boards could be merged.
I think denoir told in the other topic that he didn t see why the breathe forum wasn t gonna be made public too !
I don t understand all this hush hush stuff and this Uber-modeller attitude to be honest !
But if the current O2 owners like it that every single question is posted again well, then better keep the current breathe forum a secret !
I think we gonna be amazed by some of the addons that are gonna be released by the noob-modellers. As i can recall certain modeller's first efforts werent very brilliant either !
Espectro
Aug 21 2002, 08:43
Yep, every1 have to start somewhere. And as denoir said: why invent the wheel twice?
SelectThis
Aug 21 2002, 09:01
I'm all for opening up the old Breathe forums...trust me there's nothing in there which is sooo secret...and also no earth shattering relevations which automatically makes addon making easy.
I think it is important to let people know that there is nothing magical about O2, don't get your hopes up about being able to do everything with this one program. It's hard to learn and use, documention is non-existant and there are many restrictions on what you can edit and do. Having said that, it's great that BIS are releasing it to everyone and I'm all for removing the "Elite" perception of those already granted O2. Sharing information is what fan sites are all about and I intend to do that fully back on the OFPEC forums.
SelectThis
dkraver
Aug 21 2002, 10:26
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif9--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,10http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif9)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's not that we don't want you asking for it, it's just that we were selected for the Breathe program, and we should still reap the benefits of that.
If you will get all the perks we've had/have, there was really no point in that program was there?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
First. A bit selfish isnt it. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Secondly. I wouldnt say selected like you where someone special. You where lucky to be one of the few that where granted. Lots of people asked an where turned down even though they had great projects with models and others stuff ready.
Third. Your "job" by having the beta is/where to test it and make it ready for the puplic to recieve it.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm all for opening up the old Breathe forums...trust me there's nothing in there which is sooo secret...and also no earth shattering relevations which automatically makes addon making easy.
I think it is important to let people know that there is nothing magical about O2, don't get your hopes up about being able to do everything with this one program. It's hard to learn and use, documention is non-existant and there are many restrictions on what you can edit and do. Having said that, it's great that BIS are releasing it to everyone and I'm all for removing the "Elite" perception of those already granted O2. Sharing information is what fan sites are all about and I intend to do that fully back on the OFPEC forums.
SelectThis
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THX just what i wanted to hear from a modmaker http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (dkraver @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,12:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,10http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's not that we don't want you asking for it, it's just that we were selected for the Breathe program, and we should still reap the benefits of that.
If you will get all the perks we've had/have, there was really no point in that program was there?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
First. A bit selfish isnt it. <!--emo&http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Secondly. I wouldnt say selected like you where someone special. You where lucky to be one of the few that where granted. Lots of people asked an where turned down even though they had great projects with models and others stuff ready.
Third. Your "job" by having the beta is/where to test it and make it ready for the puplic to recieve it.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm all for opening up the old Breathe forums...trust me there's nothing in there which is sooo secret...and also no earth shattering relevations which automatically makes addon making easy.
I think it is important to let people know that there is nothing magical about O2, don't get your hopes up about being able to do everything with this one program. It's hard to learn and use, documention is non-existant and there are many restrictions on what you can edit and do. Having said that, it's great that BIS are releasing it to everyone and I'm all for removing the "Elite" perception of those already granted O2. Sharing information is what fan sites are all about and I intend to do that fully back on the OFPEC forums.
SelectThis
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THX just what i wanted to hear from a modmaker http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
This is to answer all the posts that replied to my first post here.
I wasn't talking about a free game, for one. I've never heard of that anyway =)
The benefits for us was that we had the Breathe boards, which has been a tremendous help.
And I wasn't talking about O2 being kept private, or the O2 boards being kept private. I'm all for a public O2 board, but the rest of the boards in the breathe section of the forum should be kept private.That's what I meant by benefits.
And our "job" is in the Breathe program to test each of the tools. Not just Oxygen. Our job isn't finished here you know.
The idea of a board where we Breathers can post, but the rest can only read sounds like a good idea. There's nothing you need to know that hasn't already been answered in there.
Also, I feel that OFP sites out there needs to be harder on addons when O2 is released.
Don't accept addons that doesn't have any LOD levels.
Don't accept addons with extreme polycounts.
Don't accept rubbish (Rubbish = Realistic addons that are very poorly made)
Also don't accept any missions using addons that weren't approved.
That's just my opinion. Now I know that many of you will create top-notch addons, but you can't be serious if you think that we won't see a large flood of so called crap addons.
Uhm, we have seen that already when people started to change models in P3d.
Like said before, a crap addon will be known right away and will not live long.
We are ALL spoiled ! So that s a good thing, cause no one is quickly satisfied anymore. ( damn you good modellers http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif )
Anyway i m for making the O2 part of Breathe public, i wouldn t know why we need to look into stuff for tools we don t have already.
dkraver
Aug 21 2002, 11:28
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's not that we don't want you asking for it, it's just that we were selected for the Breathe program, and we should still reap the benefits of that.
If you will get all the perks we've had/have, there was really no point in that program was there?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Maybe you should choose the word you use better next time then http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif The post you made earlier gives a signal that you dont wanna share your knowledge.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And our "job" is in the Breathe program to test each of the tools. Not just Oxygen. Our job isn't finished here you know.
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Of course the two other things that you are to beta test wont be public and i also said that in the deleted post. but it seems that you o2 "job" is finished. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also, I feel that OFP sites out there needs to be harder on addons when O2 is released.
Don't accept addons that doesn't have any LOD levels.
Don't accept addons with extreme polycounts.
Don't accept rubbish (Rubbish = Realistic addons that are very poorly made)
Also don't accept any missions using addons that weren't approved.
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Im all up for the idea that the ofp sites should make it harder to get a addon on there sites. It would only make the game better
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The idea of a board where we Breathers can post, but the rest can only read sounds like a good idea. There's nothing you need to know that hasn't already been answered in there.
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I dont think the idea that making a board where only some can post and others read will work. The board there is now should be made read only for all and then there should be a new board for posts.
Since basicly the thing that the only poster would post would propely be the same things (in time) that would be posted on the other board. This isnt just a show off board like the addons board is more like a technical board, at least that what i think it would be. And it would only make a divided ofp community where theres a group (that have the knowledge now) that would only post on one board to keep from answering question that will help others (this is based on the attitude given from modmakers in the deleted post). This resulting in very few people to get help from and the "new" modmakers having, as some say it, to reinvent the wheel.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The benefits for us was that we had the Breathe boards, which has been a tremendous help.
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So let it help others http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I still think the idea of the old O2 board being made post-only for the ModMakers will work.
But your idea was even better. The old board goes public and non-post for everyone. So that ppl can read there.
And a brand-spankin new, public-O2 board is released.
Though I would like to see the moderators kicking arse with the people who doesn't search the old O2 board before posting in the new one.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and we should still reap the benefits of that[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
*cough*arrogance*cough*
You should be happy you got it many months in advance, while the rest of us didn't get anything.
You should be quiet when you don't know what you are talking about.
We where luckier/more talented/generally better than those who didn't get accepted, and we are still in the Breathe program. The Breathe program brings certain extra perks and benefits, which the people not in Breathe should get nothing of. Since they were not accepted. I don't care if JimBob who is an extremely talented modelmaker didn't get accepted and I did, because the facts remain: I was accepted, and he wasn't.
And I didn't get it "many months in advance".
Kegetys
Aug 21 2002, 12:01
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,14:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We where luckier/more talented/generally better than those who didn't get accepted, and we are still in the Breathe program.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Pretty much anyone who asked to get in got in, even if they didnt have really anything to show. So its mostly just a matter of laziness (or a lack of knowledge of such program) if you arent a modmaker imo.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kegetys @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,14:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,14:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We where luckier/more talented/generally better than those who didn't get accepted, and we are still in the Breathe program.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Pretty much anyone who asked to get in got in, even if they didnt have really anything to show. So its mostly just a matter of laziness (or a lack of knowledge of such program) if you arent a modmaker imo.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Exactly my point. Not our/my problem if you don't have O2. But now it's going public.
So that's not an issue.
What I was talking about was the fact that a lot of people wanted all the Breathe boards made public, I didn't like that at all.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,13:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You should be quiet when you don't know what you are talking about.
We where luckier/more talented/generally better than those who didn't get accepted, and we are still in the Breathe program. The Breathe program brings certain extra perks and benefits, which the people not in Breathe should get nothing of. Since they were not accepted. I don't care if JimBob who is an extremely talented modelmaker didn't get accepted and I did, because the facts remain: I was accepted, and he wasn't.
And I didn't get it "many months in advance".[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Oh plz stop with those "i_am_better_then_the_rest" speeches !
I ve seen beautifull addons but that still doesn t give any modeller the right to feel better then others.
In fact the only one who should be able to feel like the king of modelling is VERY down to earth, learn from him.
This mentality is just completely WRONG !
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In fact the only one who should be able to feel like the king of modelling is VERY down to earth, learn from him.
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Please explain what you mean.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,13:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You should be quiet when you don't know what you are talking about.
We where luckier/more talented/generally better than those who didn't get accepted, and we are still in the Breathe program. The Breathe program brings certain extra perks and benefits, which the people not in Breathe should get nothing of. Since they were not accepted. I don't care if JimBob who is an extremely talented modelmaker didn't get accepted and I did, because the facts remain: I was accepted, and he wasn't.
And I didn't get it "many months in advance".[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
who are you to say that , did you released any addon since you are in this communauty ? how can you say that you are "generally better" than the others ?
No, I have not released any of my addons, for many reasons.
1. As I said, I haven't had it for "many months in advance".
2. I'm working pretty much full time for the OWN mod, and the project leader has decided that nothing will be released prior to the entire MOD. Thus I have not released any of those things.
3. I'm still working to perfect my addons. I don't want to release crap addons, and I don't like releasing version 1.0, only to have to update it to 1.2 or something because there was errors with the addon. Rather I wait, and don't say anything about my addons until they are finished (really finished, not just betas) and then release them.
4. I am generally much better than you are ;-)
BTW, that last remark was a joke. I feel that I have to clarify this since the majority of posters in this thread takes everything very literally.
the point is not to make the entire breathe forum open to public at once , just the oxygen section , so it will follow the release of the tools , i think it's a good idea to open these different forum sections after the release of the tool they are about
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In fact the only one who should be able to feel like the king of modelling is VERY down to earth, learn from him.
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Please explain what you mean.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That it can very well be you model much better then most folks ( although i still haven t seen any proof for that ) but that it would be very "sophisticated" of you to know you are good but still stay humble about it. Like the person does i m talking about ( i m not gonna make a drawing of it, i m sure 75% of the community know who i m talking about and i m not that much for sucking up ) http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Antichrist
Aug 21 2002, 12:21
I have nothing against other people, I do believe that there are much better modellers than me and they deserve Oxygen probably more than I do, and I acccept that, what I don't want to see is bunch of useless n00bs asking stupid question like "How do I start the program?" or "What is buldozer?"
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,14:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the point is not to make the entire breathe forum open to public at once , just the oxygen section , so it will follow the release of the tools , i think it's a good idea to open these different forum sections after the release of the tool they are about[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I've already told you that my first post was concerning a possible release of the entire breathe section of the forum.
A lot of people demanded/wanted this. So I said politely that I didn't like that, and I felt that it sort of made the whole point of a Breathe-team useless.
I've also said that I'm all for a public O2 board.
And to answer all your (in my opinion stupid) posts about me thinking I'm a better modeller than the rest:
I never said that I was better than JimBob, what I said was that he didn't get accepted, but I did. Sucks to be him.
I don't control who BIS accepts, and I don't know on what grounds I got accepted. Maybe I sent an e-mail with a pretty font?
What do I know?
Point is: I'm in and JimBob is out.
Now, to explain what I meant with stupid posts:
They were stupid due to the fact that you didn't read my posts carefully, and you thought I was saying that I was better than JimBob, when in fact (if you read it through) I was saying that JimBob was an extremely talented modeller.
Please read through my posts, and post back with a quote of the place where I evidently said I was a better modeller than anyone else. I sure as hell can't find that place.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,14:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,14:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the point is not to make the entire breathe forum open to public at once , just the oxygen section , so it will follow the release of the tools , i think it's a good idea to open these different forum sections after the release of the tool they are about[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I've already told you that my first post was concerning a possible release of the entire breathe section of the forum.
A lot of people demanded/wanted this. So I said politely that I didn't like that, and I felt that it sort of made the whole point of a Breathe-team useless.
I've also said that I'm all for a public O2 board.
And to answer all your (in my opinion stupid) posts about me thinking I'm a better modeller than the rest:
I never said that I was better than JimBob, what I said was that he didn't get accepted, but I did. Sucks to be him.
I don't control who BIS accepts, and I don't know on what grounds I got accepted. Maybe I sent an e-mail with a pretty font?
What do I know?
Point is: I'm in and JimBob is out.
Now, to explain what I meant with stupid posts:
They were stupid due to the fact that you didn't read my posts carefully, and you thought I was saying that I was better than JimBob, when in fact (if you read it through) I was saying that JimBob was an extremely talented modeller.
Please read through my posts, and post back with a quote of the place where I evidently said I was a better modeller than anyone else. I sure as hell can't find that place.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
damn
i know the jimbob is more talented than you , i don't think it's really hard ... but the point is that because you got accepted , you seem to think that you are superior , better or i don't know what else ......
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Major Fubar
Aug 21 2002, 12:30
I can't believe the selfish attitude of some people...for those lucky enough to have been given Oxygen months ago while everyone else had to wait, please don't begrudge others the same benefit! You've had for months what the rest of us could only dream of.
It's like winning the lottery, then complaining when other people win it too because you wanted to be the only rich one.
And I repeat...MANY people who were given Oxygen did very little or even nothing with it...I greatly look forward to increased numbers of addons (both junk and gems) that will surely come with a public release of Oxygen.
Now, for the other 2 points:
1.) You've had the Breathe forums to yourselves all this time, why not let the rest of us contribute and ask questions when O2 goes public? I've yet to read one reasonable argument for this...
2.) For those worried about poor quality addons that will come with public O2 release...please, not everything that has come out from "authorised" O2 teams has been that great (I won't name names, that would be very rude). The community can tell good addons from bad...let us make up our own minds. The crap addons will fade into obscurity soon enough.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,14:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I've already told you that my first post was concerning a possible release of the entire breathe section of the forum.
A lot of people demanded/wanted this. So I said politely that I didn't like that, and I felt that it sort of made the whole point of a Breathe-team useless.
I've also said that I'm all for a public O2 board.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
read through my post , it is also concerning a possible release of the entire breath forum , i'm against this idea too , i'm for a progressive opening to the public of the old breath forum , wich won't be of any use for some kind of "private communauty" since once the tools will be released there won't be any need for some kind of private/secret/whatever forums
and there's no need to create a new oxygen section
my point is : oxygen is released , open breathe oxygen forum section to public
filebank is released , open filebank section to public
etc ...........
you understand my point ?
The attitude of some people is unwarrented. If it reaches a level where it is problematic for other members I can assure you that it will result in loss of their modmaker status at best and a ban from the forums at worst.
KTottE: Lägg ner. Din arrogans börjar bli smĺtt pĺfrestande.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Major Fubar @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,14:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can't believe the selfish attitude of some people...for those lucky enough to have been given Oxygen months ago while everyone else had to wait, please don't begrudge others the same benefit! You've had for months what the rest of us could only dream of.
It's like winning the lottery, then complaining when other people win it too because you wanted to be the only rich one.
And I repeat...MANY people who were given Oxygen did very little or even nothing with it...I greatly look forward to increased numbers of addons (both junk and gems) that will surely come with a public release of Oxygen.
Now, for the other 2 points:
1.) You've had the Breathe forums to yourselves all this time, why not let the rest of us contribute and ask questions when O2 goes public? I've yet to read one reasonable argument for this...
2.) For those worried about poor quality addons that will come with public O2 release...please, not everything that has come out from "authorised" O2 teams has been that great (I won't name names, that would be very rude). The community can tell good addons from bad...let us make up our own minds. The crap addons will fade into obscurity soon enough.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
totally agreed
Edit
After having been told off in two different languages I will stop posting here.
I just want to point out that I have simply been defending/explaining my opinion.
In short:
O2 board for all when O2 goes public.
Then the same for each tool when that tool goes public as well.
And now, I will stop.
Then let the community decide what s crap and what s not !
Not every addon will be a Mercedez. There are alot of crappy cars out there ( wow that s deep http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )
Kegetys
Aug 21 2002, 12:39
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,15:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KTottE: Lägg ner. Din arrogans börjar bli smĺtt pĺfrestande.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
This is an english forum. Use private messages. Please remove posting rights from yourself if you will do this again http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,14:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Edit
After having been told off in two different languages I will stop posting here.
I just want to point out that I have simply been defending/explaining my opinion.
In short:
O2 board for all when O2 goes public.
Then the same for each tool when that tool goes public as well.
And now, I will stop.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
he asks me to read his posts carefully when he don't even bother about reading mine ..............
Miles Teg
Aug 21 2002, 12:59
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kegetys @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,14:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,15:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KTottE: Lägg ner. Din arrogans börjar bli smĺtt pĺfrestande.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
This is an english forum. Use private messages. Please remove posting rights from yourself if you will do this again http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I guess that means you need to get rid of the latin phrase on the bottom of your sig! http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Chris G.
aka-Miles Teg<GD>
DigitalCenturion
Aug 21 2002, 17:46
Hĺller med dej, denoir http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
ja älä pahastu kegetys kyllähän me voidaan puhua suomeakin... http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Starting to feel like i m in a muppet show http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
http://www.muppetworld.com/cooking/index.html http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (JAP @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,19:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Starting to feel like i m in a muppet show http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
http://www.muppetworld.com/cooking/index.html http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hahah
Albert Schweitzer
Aug 21 2002, 18:10
Can you please explain the issue to me! http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Oxygen is a modeling tool right? And is it easy to get or is it only accessible by some modeling-freaks? And what about this forum you are talking about. I wanna know!
Oxygen is a tool to import models into OFP (so from .3ds or so to .p3d)
BREATHE forums are forums which you can only acces if you are an modmaker and this forum was used to guide the O2 users...
Eviscerator
Aug 21 2002, 18:18
im with ktotte and ran on this issue, i think the O2 forum should be made public once O2 is released and the other forums released as the tools are released to the public, and keep the general there for any chat the people in the breathe program need to do...
Eviscerator
Aug 21 2002, 18:20
FW200 there are 5 forums in the breathe section, and only one of them is for oxygen
ow ok http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif didnt know that
Albert Schweitzer
Aug 21 2002, 18:25
oh, so oxygen is just a tranforming program, which tools are majorly used to create the 3d models?
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">im with ktotte and ran on this issue, i think the O2 forum should be made public once O2 is released and the other forums released as the tools are released to the public, and keep the general there for any chat the people in the breathe program need to do...
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100% agree
yep the oxygen thing readable and the general just open is cool but people wont search first before they ask on general its like here on addons&mods they dont dig in old topics im sure that will also happen there
BIS uses oxygen to model and skin and a bit of defining parts etc
Visitor used for making islands
Filebank is a packing program
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FW200 @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,20:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oxygen is a tool to import models into OFP (so from .3ds or so to .p3d)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It is not just to import the 3d model. It is only a part of it. The advanced part of oxygen is for connecting the model to the physical engine of OFP.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
BREATHE forums are forums which you can only acces if you are an modmaker
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Not only modmakers can access the breathe forums but it is invisible for regular members, yes.
@<hidden>
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">FW200 there are 5 forums in the breathe section, and only one of them is for oxygen [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The o2 forum is the only one directly tool related. The "Projects" fourm could be merged with addons and mods, or not (perhaps we'll keep one for discussing work in progress and the other for completed mods). The General forum could perhaps be kept for the ModMakers. The FileBank and Visitor forums have no information in them since the ModMakers havn't recieved them yet but if there will be a limited beta release (like for o2 until now) then only the beta testers (i.e modmakers) will have access to them.
We are currently having a discussion on the subject between the mods and BIS, and I am confident that we will find a good solution http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,20:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We are currently having a discussion on the subject between the mods and BIS, and I am confident that we will find a good solution http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Nice to see the thread moving back on-topic again.
Anyway, what does that mean?
That you are currently having a discussion. What are you discussing?
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @<hidden> Aug. 21 2002,20:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyway, what does that mean?
That you are currently having a discussion. What are you discussing?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The future organization of the forums.
Okay, hope it turns out for the best then =)
I just got confirmed that there is no final date set for the public release of o2. It will be released, but not as soon as some of the posts in this and the previous thread suggested.
All speculations and guessing won't do anybody any good. When the time comes for a release I can promise you that we will have thought out the organization of the forums.
Don't bother making new threads on the subject because they will be closed or deleted. There is no point in further spreading rumors.
Closing http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
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