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ChickenHawk
Nov 6 2001, 21:16
Maybe if we get enough Posts BIS we actually let us have it....... So, post here if u want to be able to see other countries weapons and vehicles in the game etc.
ran
Nov 6 2001, 21:28
tssss
do you think a thread on the forum will change something ?
there won't be any sdk , the tools will be released one after one to the public , we already have the lip synchroniser , and the texture swaper
ACT SMILEY
Nov 6 2001, 21:53
they'll drip them out to us slowly as they know we want it. The big ones - Objektiv (or whatever) and the terrain maker will obviously come out after Red Hammer and probably Operation Vietnam etc.
Of course giving us that soon would be good.
There will be an SDK pack at the end when they stick all the individual tools into a .zip and give it a name http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
ChickenHawk
Nov 6 2001, 22:04
Yea, but maybe if we get 10,000 posts on here they might think about it.. Theres always hope !!
Casto
Nov 6 2001, 22:19
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from ChickenHawk on 1:04 am on Nov. 7, 2001
Yea, but maybe if we get 10,000 posts on here they might think about it.. Theres always hope !![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

if i would get 10.000 posts i will select all and press delete would out even looking in one of them.
ChickenHawk
Nov 6 2001, 22:42
BIS take notice of public opinion check out the latest gun add ons everyone wanted that swiss gun steyr thing.
Widow_Maker_UK
Nov 6 2001, 23:14
SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK

Have I saids it enough?
ChickenHawk
Nov 7 2001, 00:09
Thats the kinda post im talking about !! 10,000 of them should do the trick..
supergrunt
Nov 7 2001, 00:57
GIVE US THE SDK PLEASEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KingBeast
Nov 7 2001, 01:28
No one wanted the Steyr Aug as far as i know http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Thoguh its nice of course.
russin
Nov 7 2001, 02:55
give us the SDK i see no big deal with the re-lease

a coulpe more islands would be cool 3 just don't cut it


get it and smoke it
Loki e
Nov 7 2001, 05:10
i have been usin 3ds max to make various models and i would like to import them to opflash especially my latest model which is a minigun and i think many of us would like to light people up with it
Shirson
Nov 7 2001, 05:38
I think, naked p3D editor non solve our problem with new models. If we add new car, we need change sourse code fo rotating wheels, worked guages, light and other.

Will be good have:
Ultimate script comand list with description
Ultimate objects name list
Terrain editor
Unl33t
Nov 7 2001, 05:45
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from ChickenHawk on 10:16 am on Nov. 7, 2001
Maybe if we get enough Posts BIS we actually let us have it....... So, post here if u want to be able to see other countries weapons and vehicles in the game etc.
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It would be good to post for a SDK

But guess what....
There isn't one
ChickenHawk
Nov 7 2001, 13:18
Do u work for BIS? How do u know this?
The PhanTom
Nov 7 2001, 14:25
Just release the s**t!!!!!

please!
BlueJames
Nov 7 2001, 16:18
yay for SDK
Dawdler
Nov 7 2001, 17:39
They havent bowed yet to everyones will so I doubt they will do it now.
According to Codemasters there is "something" big coming out before the end of the year but I have no idea what. Just wait.
JJonth Cheeky Monkey
Nov 7 2001, 19:11
yes, it should be released or if they dont, they should have a vote to see which weapon or vehicle should come out next every couple of weeks or so.
ACT SMILEY
Nov 7 2001, 19:46
"Something big" may just be Red Hammer though
Its also important to note that they probably dont have an SDK as such, just a collection of stuff. What we need is to force them to stick ALL of that stuff into a .zip file and upload it http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
ACEJim
Nov 7 2001, 19:50
I want it more than a gift-wraped extracrispy barbeque flavour midget.
Dastardly
Nov 7 2001, 21:08
SDK? Bah.

OFP seems to be driven mostly by OO script (just look at the class structures in the config.cpp & mission.sqm files).

Chances are the only "SDK" you need is a good text editor (TextPad - a programmer's best friend).

What is *truly* needed is OFP's "base" scripts, so that modders can really dig down into the nitty gritty code.

Addons and maps are nice - but they aren't mods. When we have the ability to define our own calls and override existing functions in the script, that's when we can start modding this game.

So the question is...why on earth is BIS keeping the script from us? Geez...Tribes 2's base script was available to modders in *BETA* - before the game even went retail for crying out loud...(same went for Tribes 1 IIRC)...
ChickenHawk
Nov 7 2001, 21:34
Give us the SDK and any tools for making what we want in ofp then !! I gats Ł500 in the bank if u know wut i mean http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif..
LoRdBuTtMoNkEy
Nov 7 2001, 23:44
SDK NOW GIVE SDK TO USSS YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO!!!!!!!!!!!!
SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDKSDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDKSDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK OK IM TIRED NOW http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Widow_Maker_UK
Nov 8 2001, 07:46
SDK will rule..so get your act together BIS!!!

SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK
SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK
SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK
SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK
SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK

Have i said enough?...
Andreas
Nov 8 2001, 08:00
We want th SDK, WE WANT THE SDK.
Nov 8 2001, 14:41
Spamming wont get you the SDK. They'll only release it to professional modding groups. Not to the public.
Firetalon
Nov 8 2001, 18:04
I have spent the last 6 years making models/maps/addons for various games, even ones people sed could not be modded.
I work alone and from home, and i am a member of the public, and i love flashpoint, and want to make it better (I think it is JUST possible) for both myself and the rest of the community.

So when u say the public will not recieve this, does this mean myself and hundreds of others like me will be left with nothing, while so called "Proffesional" modders get the tools?

oh, and what is your definition of "Professional"

Thank you.
Nov 8 2001, 18:15
With professional I mean teams, like the OFV team. So guys that are making a mod. (So not for the public, only for the pro. mod makers, like the Operation Vietnam team)
Dastardly
Nov 9 2001, 16:58
Please clarify that remark, Redstorm.

By "professional" do you mean people who are working on commercial/retail expansions for OFP?

Or are you saying that BIS intends to give support only to serious, established modders?

If the latter is the case, whom at BIS would a serious, established modder (formerly of Shifter : www.dopplegangers.com/shifter ) need to contact for more information?

(Edited by Dastardly at 7:59 pm on Nov. 9, 2001)


(Edited by Dastardly at 8:07 pm on Nov. 9, 2001)
Nov 9 2001, 17:02
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Dastardly on 7:58 pm on Nov. 9, 2001
Please clarify that remark, Redstorm.

By "professional" do you mean people who are working on commercial/retail expansions for OFP?

Or are you saying that BIS intends to give support only to serious, established modders?

If the latter is the case, whom at BIS would a serious, established modder (formerly of Shifter : www.dopplegangers.com ) need to contact for more information?

(Edited by Dastardly at 7:59 pm on Nov. 9, 2001)
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Yes, that's what I meant. I'm not sure though, I thought BIS said that once. Not sure!
Dastardly
Nov 9 2001, 20:24
Gotcha. Would be nice to hear a final answer one way or the other. I was attracted to OFP mainly due to its modding potential.

Sadly, if that potential is nonexistant then so is most of the attraction. Just speaking for myself, of course...
gonk
Nov 9 2001, 23:04
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from KingBeast on 1:58 pm on Nov. 7, 2001
No one wanted the Steyr Aug as far as i know http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Thoguh its nice of course.

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Hey.. I wanted the Steyr.... But rate of fire seems a little slow...it does not seem like 700 rnds per min.. more like 500.
ran
Nov 9 2001, 23:12
the steyr is a crappy gun , i hate the plastic bull pup rifles
Nov 9 2001, 23:43
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Dastardly on 11:24 pm on Nov. 9, 2001
Gotcha. Would be nice to hear a final answer one way or the other. I was attracted to OFP mainly due to its modding potential.

Sadly, if that potential is nonexistant then so is most of the attraction. Just speaking for myself, of course...
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I'll loose all interest in OFP too....After playing with the same vehicles hundreds of times it gets boring http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif I want to make a flying dog poop and then put it in the Realwar mod http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
thegoose
Nov 10 2001, 02:20
i really want the SDK
Headbanger
Nov 10 2001, 10:53
i think it's a bad idea to release tools to make it possible to modify the game 'talking from personal experience' played clan wars in the so called CB Ladder 'Strike Force' for a year or so and every now and then there would pop up wankers spoiling the fun for everyone 'Aimbotting SOB's' so please keep the tools to a minimum i seriously hope this game wont go down the s**tters as well as SF did btw SF is a mod for Unreal Tournament for those of you that dont know it
and the source code for it is VERY easy to access

my 2$ worth
Red oKTOBER
Nov 10 2001, 13:20
Me and ARAM(My friend) say,SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDKSDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK Please!
ACT SMILEY
Nov 10 2001, 15:22
Headbanger - the kind of thing meant by SDK isnt only better script access or whatever. The ability to add new vehicles, islands weapons etc. is whats meant here - just adding to the editing tools not customising things to give people multiplayer advantages. I doubt that their hacked M16s would work without giving an error in OFP multiplayer though.
For example - look at Thief: The Dark Project - an amazing game and for the first 6 months there was no editing tools but fans made demands like this and LG gave them it - DromED - a buggy thing with a bad looking but easy to learn interface, no refining it for public use but it still got  used to create missions for both thief games, some even better than the main game. Benny's Dead and The Inverted Manse are two good missions and there are large campaigns on the way with as much new stuff as can be done. Editing is a good way of keeping a community alive - when a company is dead how come it still has a fansite with over 5000 members? 2 things. Good Games and Interest in fans.
The second thing is what BIS need to look at now. We could do with some more tools. Maybe not a complete SDK but at least Objektiv model editor and a couple of other tools.

(Edited by ACT SMILEY at 5:24 pm on Nov. 10, 2001)
ChickenHawk
Nov 10 2001, 16:19
Rgr that, people will get bored of OFP sooner or later.. The only reason MS combat flight simulator is still going is because you can fly anything you want and make what ever scenery you want.. Even with all the new updates im sure many people will go to Ghost Recon and Allied Assault.. BIS needs to release the SDK to keep the community alive.. The SDK would give it a huge boost and would certainly mean that I would play OFP for the next few years rather than until I get a better game..
LoRdBuTtMoNkEy
Nov 11 2001, 00:59
SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK SDK NOW DAME IT AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NOWWWWWW AHHHHHH MY HEART ................................
MYSTERYMAN
Nov 11 2001, 02:28
Heres my thoughts.And I think somewhere in this forum someone has the same idea.I would have to say that there will not be any type of SDK.But there might be some very good tools for adding new models,terrain,animations,etc.Thats all you need.So stop the bulls**t for the SDK.I bet most of you would not know what to do with the SDK if you had it.And I read something about the OV team.They are in the same shoes as the the other modders at this time.So dont think they have a head start on this.
drewb99
Nov 11 2001, 03:04
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Headbanger
Nov 11 2001, 03:48
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from ACT SMILEY on 6:22 pm on Nov. 10, 2001
Headbanger - the kind of thing meant by SDK isnt only better script access or whatever. The ability to add new vehicles, islands weapons etc. is whats meant here - just adding to the editing tools not customising things to give people multiplayer advantages. I doubt that their hacked M16s would work without giving an error in OFP multiplayer though.
For example - look at Thief: The Dark Project - an amazing game and for the first 6 months there was no editing tools but fans made demands like this and LG gave them it - DromED - a buggy thing with a bad looking but easy to learn interface, no refining it for public use but it still got  used to create missions for both thief games, some even better than the main game. Benny's Dead and The Inverted Manse are two good missions and there are large campaigns on the way with as much new stuff as can be done. Editing is a good way of keeping a community alive - when a company is dead how come it still has a fansite with over 5000 members? 2 things. Good Games and Interest in fans.
The second thing is what BIS need to look at now. We could do with some more tools. Maybe not a complete SDK but at least Objektiv model editor and a couple of other tools.

(Edited by ACT SMILEY at 5:24 pm on Nov. 10, 2001)
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well as long as they dont release tools for accessing the code too much then i'm happy tools for modeling and other things to add vehicles and such to the game is a good idea keeps the game from getting too old and too booring i understand your point of view as well but there is a small risk of Wankers getting their hands on things they shouldn't have and when that happens this game is down the toilett as well not fun to buy a game for over 400 bucks "Swedish crowns" and a couple of weeks later some lamer has made his first bot for the public or for his personal gains http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif i hope you see this from my point of view as well simply put i would want to experience a game without cheaters for a change SF and Infiltration are pretty messed up at the moment and CS probably everyone know how much cheating there is in that game in MP sucks if you ask me
starting to wonder where the world is heading no honor and friendly competion instead the motto seems to be do what ever it takes to get those kills and screw honor and skills

phew that was quite a bit i wrote there starting to get cramp in my fingers http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard3/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
charon1
Nov 11 2001, 13:21
I have access to a few million models and can make each model in 8 seconds no prob on top of it i am a world-authority for weapons, i would like to be a hero in ramallah, please respect cuz i feel so small. Hoela (ache ata mastul tamvin, joter midaj samim!)
supergrunt
Nov 11 2001, 22:40
even max payne has already got mods on the way (soon to be available)

and that game is younger than ofp

So again BIS i and the rest of the players ask of you PLEASE GIVE IT TO US
timmy
Nov 12 2001, 01:56
please
barret
Apr 15 2002, 08:54
I want an SDK&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
barret
Apr 15 2002, 08:54
I want an SDK&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
jawk2
Apr 15 2002, 09:45
just wonder, SDK mean
Self Destruct Kick?
Self detonator of the moderator Kick?
Self Dumbass Kindle....
Spamming Dumbass Kids

if only ppl looked at the permanent thread and stop complaining.
Look at Gimbal planes or the opFinternals map, they just do theese beautiful feature just by using tricks... SDK ll not better your map, just give u the opportunity to make trash that we will (the player) install and delete soon).

I only hope that mapper/addon community will at least have a standart.
Just not find me launching a MP in a map with a briefing written in old latin and where i finally find it&#39;s a coop/MP/CTF/DM/conquest where u must recover some pink flower around the whole island filled with empty vehicule at a framrate of 0.001fps http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
RavenDK
Apr 15 2002, 11:48
woud be kinda cool to have the SDK, but if they dont releash it we jusk have to make your own, eh?
Apr 15 2002, 12:12
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ChickenHawk @<hidden> Nov. 07 2001,00:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yea, but maybe if we get 10,000 posts on here they might think about it.. Theres always hope &#33;&#33;[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Rename the &#39;Mid East&#39; thread in offtopic to &#39;Want SDK&#39; and you might have a chance http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Sith
Apr 15 2002, 12:21
Errr...I think the whole point of this topic is rather outdated http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

If you want tools, sign up for them http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif