Brothers in Arms: Franchise Down [Archive] - Bohemia Interactive Forums

CameronMcDonald

Jun 7 2011, 09:50

Geeez. I never thought You can fuck something up that bad. BiA was mediocore however it had a story and a WW2 feeling anyway... this? Well...

I was never a fan either, but upon seeing the dude dressed like the fucking Hamburgler meets that retard from MoH and using hatchets made my eyebrows go so damn high they've nigh upon disappeared.

Honestly, mohawks and hatchets are up there with that Kardashian woman at the apex of my shit-I-don't-care-about list.

DMarkwick

Jun 7 2011, 09:51

I've never played BIA, but I can tell this has ruined the name.

topas

Jun 7 2011, 09:53

OMG.... what's next? Brothers in Arms vs. Predator? Why they need to dumb down everything...

Zipper5

Jun 7 2011, 09:58

Why is it not called Inglorious Basterds: The Video Game?
I was honestly hoping that's what it was. I would have been excited for it if that were true. :(

Maddmatt

Jun 7 2011, 10:07

The comments here made me expect more dumbed down crap, so I though I knew what I was going to see in the video.

But holy shit it actually surprised me. Ubisoft must be run by the biggest morons in the industry :butbut:

This company has to die before they take human evolution backwards.

MadDogX

Jun 7 2011, 10:14

Slapping a well known brand name on something tends to increase the sales; at least that's the theory. The same has been done with movie scripts aswell. Someone writes a script, a producer sees it and thinks "hey, this sci fi script looks pretty cool, but the name sucks. We should call it Aliens 5, that way it will draw in the crowds!"

I assume something similar has happened here.

])rStrangelove

Jun 7 2011, 10:24

The question is how long can they keep up copying & redoing stuff over & over again. The time will come when all popular series are downgraded into the same boring stuff and then there's no talent in the industry left to invent new quality game series.

You can't live on fame forever.

Snafu

Jun 7 2011, 10:30

I saw the announcement for that when I was watching the live stream. They talked about BiA a lot, bigging it up, and then announced...that.

Disappoint to say the least.

Demonized

Jun 7 2011, 11:13

That video looked cool, fun fun fun.
Though the BiA title on it is ridiculus ofc.

Hans Ludwig

Jun 7 2011, 11:29

BiA: TF2. When you thought a video game couldn't get any stupider.

Wolfrug

Jun 7 2011, 11:30

What the...

I thought Brothers in Arms was all about srs bsns TRUE STORIES OF WAR HEROES bla bla drama, death, homoerotic brotherhood and so on. That....that was just weird. ._.

Regards,
Wolfrug

CameronMcDonald

Jun 7 2011, 11:35

Try and watch the video without thinking of the word "Hamburgler." :dj:

NeMeSiS

Jun 7 2011, 11:43

So what have we all learned from this?
TF2 + BiA = Inglourious Basterds.

ricbar89

Jun 7 2011, 11:54

Cant belive it. :(

Road to Hill 30 is one of my favorite all time games. I somehow managed to play it on every platform. First the crappy PS2 version, then the decent Xbox version and finally most recently on PC.

Compare this to the new trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3O9ifGBgmA

colossus

Jun 7 2011, 12:03

This is like the transformation from OFP: CWC to OFP: DR and then some more. Aside from World War II, there is nothing resembling this with the true and original BiA games. FPDR
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Leopard

Jun 7 2011, 12:10

What is this? BIA was one of the best game series and they didn't continue the story, but made a dumbed down game for COD kids. The older ones had good characters and had realistic story.

Col.

Jun 7 2011, 12:15

Am I the only one that thougt of Team Fortress when I saw this?

The fat guy couldn't stop reminds me of this:
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1532/1183145341.jpg >100kb

JonPL

Jun 7 2011, 12:18

Not the one.

Celery

Jun 7 2011, 12:30

http://www.lulz.ro/pics/1260653404727.jpg

DMarkwick

Jun 7 2011, 13:18

ST_Dux

Jun 7 2011, 13:19

I really didn't like the original BiA games; the whole forced fire and maneuver mechanism felt contrived as hell. This might actually be funny and entertaining, at least (though probably not).

topas

Jun 7 2011, 13:37

This company has to die before they take human evolution backwards.

Hey,hold your horses right there! I want them to release Assassin's Creed Revelations and of course AC III first !

Krycek

Jun 7 2011, 14:25

Isn't AC Revelations actually AC3?Or is it something like Brotherhood?

Seems Ubi like to play one cold one hot every year,Im now interested in Far Cry 3 but damn BIA4 sure shocked me kinda like "hey what a nice blonde......holy crap you're a man".

Sigh,if only they stayed true to their roots,having proper sequels to Bia,Splinter Cell,R6,Ghost Recon,Silent Hunter and so on.

Inkompetent

Jun 7 2011, 17:46

What the failing fuck... Get out of the game industry, Ubisoft! You've ruined it enough!

JdB

Jun 7 2011, 17:58

Why is it not called Inglorious Basterds: The Video Game?

I've seen a lot of rip-offs, but this is without a doubt the most shameless thing ever. This makes turning OFP into DR & RR seem like a sensible/logical thing to do.

Richey79

Jun 7 2011, 18:02

Thank God everyone else feels the same way I do.

Even non-Bis fans seem to pretty much universally hate the look of this, judging by the comments for the video on most hosting sites.

This is the game series that included characters like Red Hartsock and Mac Hassy?

RIP

topas

Jun 7 2011, 19:06

Isn't AC Revelations actually AC3?Or is it something like Brotherhood?

It's the third part of the story-arch with the same character, so generally speaking it's still AC2.
AC3 will be set some hundreds of years in the future (from the Renaissance point of view that is) and most likely it'll be the time of French Revolution.

Flash Thunder

Jun 7 2011, 19:12

Looks like Brothers in Arms is now officially ruined.

Gearbox and Ubisoft need to lay off the drugs.

Shame because I fucking love BIA. :(

jblackrupert

Jun 7 2011, 19:53

I wouldn't buy a mousepad from Ubisoft.

They've been on my boycott list for years.

Maddmatt

Jun 7 2011, 20:10

Hey,hold your horses right there! I want them to release Assassin's Creed Revelations and of course AC III first !

The E3 gameplay video for AC Revelations had Ezio destroying ships with a mounted flamethrower. It's probably better that the company dies before it ruins that series in the same way :butbut:

topas

Jun 7 2011, 20:23

The E3 gameplay video for AC Revelations had Ezio destroying ships with a mounted flamethrower. It's probably better that the company dies before it ruins that series in the same way :butbut:

And what's wrong with that? Ship mounted flamethrowers were actually weapons used by the Byzantine Empire. Based on the first ever throwers invented by the Greeks in the first century A.D. these augmented throwers used some sort of a flammable substance (calcium based?) that was ignited when came in contact with sea water.

http://larsbrownworth.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/en-greek-fire2.jpg
http://wapedia.mobi/thumb/4d8e504/en/max/470/720/Hand-siphon_for_Greek_fire%252C_medieval_illumination_%2528detail%2529.jpg?format=jpg%2Cpng%2Cgif
http://m1.ikiwq.com/img/xl/MF4H4QL10CGWRxreD4POib.jpg

http://warandgame.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/gf717-1.jpg

CMB Unit 01

Jun 7 2011, 20:46

What the shit was that. Where is the sense in making even more over-the-top Hollywood crap. The entire market is dominated by it. They might as well call this style Generiqué.

Maddmatt

Jun 7 2011, 20:50

And what's wrong with that? Ship mounted flamethrowers were actually weapons used by the Byzantine Empire. Based on the first ever throwers invented by the Greeks in the first century A.D. these augmented throwers used some sort of a flammable substance (calcium based?) that was ignited when came in contact with sea water.

Wow, didn't know that :cool:

Ok forgive me, just prey that whoever got their hands on the BIA franchise stays the hell away from Assassins Creed...

ST_Dux

Jun 7 2011, 21:01

Yeah, Greek Fire was a real thing. But even if it wasn't, it's not like Assassin's Creed has ever been the pinnacle of realism.

Sputnik Monroe

Jun 7 2011, 21:09

That is the biggest most stupid pile of shit I have ever witnessed. You shouldn't allow an eight year old to design a game.

I've been waiting since Hells Highway for them to finally go to the Bulge and wrap up the story as it was an alright game with an alright story. My fear was that being UBI Soft the third one would have their infamous online only copy protection. Now I just don't care ate all.

The sad thing is you know people are going to buy this shite in droves. Especially when it's dropped to $10 on steam eventually.

Piss off.

-Martin-

Jun 7 2011, 21:29

If the trailer wasn't so violent I would say that its aimed at 6 year old kids, it’s like a cartoon. :crazy: Besides where did they get a hot cow stamp thing they put on the guys forehead. Shame, BIA series is one of my favourite series of ww2 games :sad:

topas

Jun 7 2011, 21:43

Cow stamp, state-shaped? Well, fits with the Texas theme... but the U.S. Army Cavalry hat on a guy from Texas?!?!? Ouch....

I always thought Texas was one of the Confederate states....

KorpeN

Jun 7 2011, 22:40

Just when I thought that antinazism can't be more rediculus.

JonPL

Jun 8 2011, 00:29

Nazis are the best generic enemy right after "terrorists". Then maybe russians and then... there's noone else to fight with :(

NodUnit

Jun 8 2011, 01:49

Am I the only one that thougt of Team Fortress when I saw this?

The fat guy couldn't stop reminds me of this:
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1532/1183145341.jpg
Yeah but TF2 had some class with their violence, this is eh..no. Also it's cute how we call them nazi's but we don't have the balls to use swastika's rather than + symbols.

Hans Ludwig

Jun 8 2011, 02:48

Cow stamp, state-shaped? Well, fits with the Texas theme... but the U.S. Army Cavalry hat on a guy from Texas?!?!? Ouch....

I always thought Texas was one of the Confederate states....

It's called a Stetson.

WASHINGTON, APRIL 1, 2011 -- In a fingertip-to-the-brim nod to its American frontier history, the Army is changing hats again - returning to the tumultuous days of the horse Cavalry in the wild west and adopting a dark blue Stetson as the official headgear for the current force of 1.1 million Soldiers.

http://www.army.mil/article/54202/stetson-hat-to-be-new-army-standard-headgear/

mrcash2009

Jun 8 2011, 09:39

Nazis are the best generic enemy right after "terrorists". Then maybe russians and then... there's noone else to fight with :(

Aliens ... you must have seen that coming? :)

Anyway I did have 2 of bothers in arms and they were ok for what they were, now this using the same title is either complete coincidence or an utter pisstake.

The intro scene of that trailer just reminded me of All Allo:

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Im thinking the DLC content for this will be "The Fallen Maddona With Ze' Big boobies".

])rStrangelove

Jun 8 2011, 10:14

If the trailer wasn't so violent I would say that its aimed at 6 year old kids, it’s like a cartoon. :crazy:

Same goes for the Ghost Recon trailer. Looks like Ubisoft is out of ideas and needs extreme violence to gain some attention / sales.

Pisspoor idea btw.

KorpeN

Jun 8 2011, 12:30

Nazis are the best generic enemy right after "terrorists". Then maybe russians and then... there's noone else to fight with :(

Nice list there mate. Although my personal taste is a little bit different. The best generic enemy are jews. Right after are capitalists and then communists and anarchists.

JonPL

Jun 8 2011, 12:35

The best generic enemy are jews It takes some balls to say it out loud ;)

Some ppl may take my post srsly so I would like to remind Yeh - it was a joke about how repetitive and dull are modern games ;]

You almost always fight one of the mentioned ones... and how boring is that ;]

Avgeris

Jun 8 2011, 12:35

Nazis are the best generic enemy right after "terrorists". Then maybe russians and then... there's noone else to fight with :(
http://i28.tinypic.com/21mxlr4.jpg

This is a game forum not anm angend for your propagnada. Nazis, Russians etc harmed Poland but saved others. Political Correction anyone?

JonPL

Jun 8 2011, 12:37

Wait, what?

Take a look on the post above Yeh...

Btw who was "saved" by Nazis?

Srsly man.

Avgeris

Jun 8 2011, 12:38

Wait, what?

Take a look on the post above Yeh...
so you support the idea or you are against the "generic" "enemies"

MadDogX

Jun 8 2011, 12:40

so you support the idea or you are against the "generic" "enemies"
How about you actually read his posts?

JonPL

Jun 8 2011, 12:42

MadDogX

Jun 8 2011, 12:47

heheh, thanks Maddog :)
No problem... but no point, judging by his last post. ;)

Just another guy to ignore.

-Martin-

Jun 8 2011, 12:48

This is a game forum not anm angend for your propagnada. Nazis, Russians etc harmed Poland but saved others. Political Correction anyone?

Well every country did a bit of good and bad, for example Russia liberated Poland but you can say that the Socialist system harmed it; that depends solely on everyone’s opinion just as you can say that democracy is harming it/improving it now while Poland also did some bad stuff like killing Ukrainians and so on... But still there is no reason to hate anyone for this, in my opinion these times are long gone and none of our generation’s business.

Where as in gaming I don't hate the Nazis or Americans/Russians that I virtually shoot, I just see it as a game that lets me experience a bit of the past while entertaining me, so frankly I don't care which side I'm on, it’s just a game :smile:

EDIT: Some people take video games way too seriously :butbut:

Avgeris

Jun 8 2011, 12:49

I don't really know what You are talking about.

I just said it'd be nice to sometime see the fight against someone else or from different perspective, get it? Kinda like "Payday: The Heist" thing. It will always make some controversy, and I understand it well because that's the reason I don't play MoW mods about blitzkrieg in '39, yet - I don't spew hate on it.

I joked about the fact, You always fight GREAT AND VERY DANGEROUS ENEMY like:
- Terrorists (who are they, what are they, and why do they cause harm? well...)
- Russians (like it's the best buisness to put the world on fire)
- Nazis (pretty obvious for WW2 games)

heheh, thanks Maddog :)

well thx for the explaination, I take back what I said cause I agree with some of your points (of view)

Where as in gaming I don't hate the Nazis or Americans/Russians that I virtually shoot, I just see it as a game that lets me experience a bit of the past while entertaining me, so frankly I don't care which side I'm on, it’s just a game :smile:

The bad thing is that most ppl dont take lightly games for instance crappy games that sell a lot http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/terroristtakedown/review.html, http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/795/795377p1.html and the best CoD with the Nazi Zombies that all like to shoot.

ST_Dux

Jun 8 2011, 13:20

Well every country did a bit of good and bad, for example Russia liberated Poland but you can say that the Socialist system harmed it...
Socialism may have harmed it, but the Katyn massacre definitely did.

Avgeris

Jun 8 2011, 13:29

Socialism may have harmed it, but the Katyn massacre definitely did.

too bad it passed in small letters of human history...

topas

Jun 8 2011, 13:32

too bad it passed in small letters of human history...

History is written by the victors.

-Martin-

Jun 8 2011, 13:53

Socialism may have harmed it, but the Katyn massacre definitely did.

Shit happens, the Poles did some pretty nasty things too such as the Pawłokoma massacre, Polish occupation of Western Ukraine or operation Wisła in which my grandfather was shot in front of his grandchildren while his village was locked in to a church and burned alive but then again the Ukrainians are just as guilty of genocide against the Poles, probably even more.

So there is no point in discussing this, nobody on this planet is innocent. But I think that taking video games that seriously is just wrong, it’s like if didn’t play ArmA 2 because in the campaign you play as an American. I don't see any point.

In Operation Flashpoint I enjoyed playing as an American, Russian and resistance fighter equally.

History is written by the victors.

And thats also true :smile:

topas

Jun 8 2011, 13:59

Sure, no one is... and anyone (a nation) claiming to be is pure hypocrisy...

Admitting your own flaws, being able to understand and take actions to prevent similar thing from happening is the true wisdom of a nation. Not trying to act like one was more saint than the Holy Mary herself...

-Martin-

Jun 8 2011, 14:02

JonPL

Jun 8 2011, 14:44

-Martin-

Jun 8 2011, 15:36

Yep, all true.

I would like to just add I'm happy You guys know about Katyń. I didn't thought it's a popular knowledge in the "outside world".

We can all be sorry for what our ancestors did, like in the Martin's case. Sorry mate.

No problem, I've never held any kind of hate towards Polish people because of it, infact most of my friends are Polish http://kolobok.us/smiles/icq/good.gif

But Katyń just goes to show how politicians such as Stalin (who wasn’t even Russian) can turn people who are meant to be brothers against each other so quickly. All Slavs are of the same blood after all, which is another reason not to hold hate for each other because of what our ancestors did.

As for BIA: Franchise Down I see that people are so disappointed with it that they don't even rant about it anymore. :butbut:

Snafu

Jun 8 2011, 16:08

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/4/thread_direction.gif

Jeza

Jun 16 2011, 21:12

May have been looked at already, just finished completing hells highway this moment and went on about how do you feel about snow, i can handle snow ect and at the end of the story says to be continued, i always imagned hope battle of the buldge would be next with the same squad, i guess thats blown out the water with this? Really unhappy with the trailer, but it is just a teaser maybe more can come out of it in future trailers which make it more of a follow on to the other..i can only hope, because must say really enjoyed hells highway and the others ofcourse.

ST_Dux

Jun 16 2011, 21:34

Apparently, this game is officially a "spin-off"; the continuation of the main series at a later date has been promised by at least one developer.

Jeza

Jun 16 2011, 21:36

Ah if thats true then sweet, il just ignore this one.

Tonci87

Jun 17 2011, 08:36

When I saw the thread title and read the first posts i was thinking "Oh come on, it can't be that bad", then i watched the video "OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?"
Seriously, Ubisoft fails (hard) with nearly every game they make

bonchie

Jun 18 2011, 03:50

Ubisoft screws up yet another tactical shooter franchise. They just can't help themselves.

As for the promises that one day they'll give us a true sequel, don't hold your breath. It's obvious Ubisoft wants nothing to do with those types of games anymore.

Tonci87

Jun 18 2011, 16:02

Ubisoft has cancelled Ghost Recon Future Soldier for PC. I don´t know I should be sad because of this....

Innomadic

Jun 18 2011, 17:53

It's obvious Ubisoft wants nothing to do with those types of games anymore.

No one does, they all want their cheap ticket to the big time the same way CoD did it.

EA have BF, CM have (regrettably) OFP, Ubi now has GRAW:FS, THQ has HomeFront...

ziiip

Jun 18 2011, 19:24

Ubisoft has cancelled Ghost Recon Future Soldier for PC. I don´t know I should be sad because of this....

Not really. :D

Cant wait to see ArmA go down the shitter. :don9:

Maddmatt

Jun 18 2011, 20:34

Ubisoft has cancelled Ghost Recon Future Soldier for PC. I don´t know I should be sad because of this....

Only if you actually wanted that shit :p

Baff1

Jun 18 2011, 20:39

BIA isn't a franchise that I am sad to see go.

Jeza

Jun 18 2011, 20:52

Only if you actually wanted that shit :p

I get what your saying there, dont get me wrong i did enjoy GRAW, but i wish it wasnt called graw, just another fps which they made, because GR:desert seige and island thunder, along with r6:roguespear up to ravenshield have been truly great games, shame they stick the r6 or GR name on these current titles BIA included, as clearly they are not true to the originals.

Baff1

Jun 18 2011, 21:00

I really enjoyed GRAW. I often play those two titles through again.
It doesn't bother me in the slightest that they called it Ghost Recon. It's clearly targeted at the same audience, so it makes sense to.

Unfortunately the netcode was so unstable that it never cut it in multiplayer.

JonPL

Jun 19 2011, 08:15

It's clearly targeted at the same audience Not quite. The old ones were more mature, more open and slower.

New ones? Nah. The "thx to US dollars" line made me facepalm all day, as well as some other stupid stuff within the story, and also game-mechanics stuff like enemy spawning right behind the corner, "invisible walls" blocking flanking and... stuff. Meh.

But yeah. It's zillion times better then what BiA (inc. HH which was beatiful technologically and story-wise, but sucked at gameplay) and especially R6 (LetDown and Vegas x2), have become.

Kick the ziiip in the balls for such awful trolling! :P

Tonci87

Jun 19 2011, 10:42

Well it is kind of sad that another originally PC based Series leaves that platform and runs for console dollars

rundll.exe

Jun 19 2011, 11:48

Wow, that's insane. I loved BiA while it lasted. There were even some tactical aspects (with limited freedom however) that allowed you to sit behind cover and rethink the situation. And the graphics and gameplay were quite good IMO.

http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/article/648/648807/brothers-in-arms-earned-in-blood-20050908031523758_640w.jpg >100kb

RIP for another good game wasted

JonPL

Jun 19 2011, 12:55

Well it is kind of sad that another originally PC based Series leaves that platform and runs for console dollars Mate, have You actually played any of the BiA's?

Because if You would, You'd be probably frustrated how corridorish was this pseudo-tactical game. How simplified or shallow in few places. How fucked up with very limited FOV a.k.a. console binocular effect. How Your mates came back to live after You finished the mission, how stripped were the controls (same button for reload\interact - WTF! no prone, etc) and options, how simplified was Gfx and how very limited was the field of battle. Plus the enormous HUD.

How can You call a game with only one good way tactical?

Well, let's ask ourselves why was it that way... hmmm... because someone decided it should be out on all platforms and ACCESSIBLE even to the kind called now "CoD kiddies"? And why PC version should be better or upgraded? PC gaming is dying, maaaan.

BiA SHOULD'VE BEEN PC based, it never was (as I'd love it to be), so please.

Want a PC title? Half Life. Men Of War. Flashpoint. These are PC ones, not dumbed down\not limited to fit onto consoles, unlike BiA.

You know what BiA felt like? Like a waste of potential. Hells Highway was just about the same ;\ (at least HH have great story and gfx)

mrcash2009

Jun 19 2011, 12:56

Ubisoft has cancelled Ghost Recon Future Soldier for PC. I don´t know I should be sad because of this....

Really? :butbut: I know that it went in a direction I didn't like and many others but then to not even support that platform any more, sums it up really.

Obviously the future soldier uses console tech :) Seems the REAL future soldier will be Arma3 on PC then, lets hope that the idea of "Future" and Arma3 will send the GR PC brigade over here to look further.

Sorry off topic.

Max Power

Jun 19 2011, 13:21

Never has something I don't give a shit about filled me with so much anguish.

Celery

Jun 19 2011, 13:22

Mate, have You actually played any of the BiA's?

Because if You would, You'd be probably frustrated how corridorish was this pseudo-tactical game. How simplified or shallow in few places. How fucked up with very limited FOV a.k.a. console binocular effect. How Your mates came back to live after You finished the mission, how stripped were the controls (same button for reload\interact - WTF! no prone, etc) and options, how simplified was Gfx and how very limited was the field of battle. Plus the enormous HUD.

How can You call a game with only one good way tactical?

Well, let's ask ourselves why was it that way... hmmm... because someone decided it should be out on all platforms and ACCESSIBLE even to the kind called now "CoD kiddies"? And why PC version should be better or upgraded? PC gaming is dying, maaaan.

BiA SHOULD'VE BEEN PC based, it never was (as I'd love it to be), so please.

Want a PC title? Half Life. Men Of War. Flashpoint. These are PC ones, not dumbed down\not limited to fit onto consoles, unlike BiA.

You know what BiA felt like? Like a waste of potential. Hells Highway was just about the same ;\ (at least HH have great story and gfx)

The BiA games are indeed puzzle games in disguise that have little to do with real combat dynamics. However, that is the game's concept. You shouldn't expect them to cater to your own vision of an ideal game.

JonPL

Jun 19 2011, 14:03

If they speak about (micro) freedom, "using tactics to survive" and all that "best tactical shooter out there" hype I can have my expectations, right?

This was supposed to kill CoD, which was (especially the second one) ironically much more open and less bullshit (like broken hitboxes or "magic bullet" Springfield) then RtH30. (I can't really speak about EiB, coz' I dropped if pretty fast, 4th mission I think. It was too boring)

I waited for first BiA almost as much as for ArmA 2. Any wonder I was disappointed?

Baff1

Jun 19 2011, 14:17

BIA is a duff game.

The "puzzle" is a very simple one. Use the supress button. Puzzle solved!

It's a one tactic game set in very limited arena's with very limited differences between each arena or enemy.

With very long and arduous unskippable cut scenes (or when you fianlly can skip..it skips to the next cutscene) making up the bulk of the time spent playing. These cut scenes are offensive drivel. American jingoism at it's worst. An attempt to cash in on a successful TV show, but lacking the depth.

I didn't wait for this game.
I wasn't disappointed.
It was a few hours of fun and if you see it on the shelves for £2.50 it's good value for money.

The gameplay...what little there is of it in each title... is perfectly enjoyable. If childish.

ricbar89

Jun 19 2011, 17:16

I loved the first two BIA games, i thought they were great.

It did an amazing job of putting you on the ground in France '44 during the invasion with amazing authenticity, a good amount of realism and great squad controls. It didnt follow the "OMGZ THIS IS SUPER IMPOTANT MISSION ONLY U CAN COMPLET!!" like so many games but allowed you to just follow the story of one sqaud taking part in the invasion, completing missions from the highly famous jump into France to the straight forward advance through France clearing the way, take that building covering the road to that town, clear the streets of this city etc.

Just seems some people want the game to cater to themselves and ignore how good it was in its own right.

JonPL

Jun 19 2011, 17:45

Srsly ppl. Learn what a "fact" is. And some facts were really against this game. That's why it's not only mine moaner-ish state of mind.

It was mediocore.

ricbar89

Jun 19 2011, 18:59

Srsly ppl. Learn what a "fact" is. And some facts were really against this game. That's why it's not only mine moaner-ish state of mind.

It was mediocore.

Nice logic. Theres negative facts you can point out for every game.

Doesnt make them "mediocore".

Opinions and all that.

sesdelta38

Jun 19 2011, 19:58

I don't the series is dead just yet. This game is merely a spin-off, Randy Pitchford said it himself. Gearbox practically made this game as an experiment to see how it would do.

So, we're still gonna see a true BIA sequel, just not right now. Gearbox still wants to continue Baker's story.

Now to be honest, i might get this games, but it doesn't look to interesting to me.

SiC-Disaster

Jun 20 2011, 09:30

So if everybody doesnt buy it, we might be spared from this bullshit in the future.

>Boycot initiated.

Tonci87

Jun 20 2011, 10:43

So if everybody doesnt buy it, we might be spared from this bullshit in the future.

>Boycot initiated.

Supporting this^

sesdelta38

Jun 20 2011, 18:42

So if everybody doesnt buy it, we might be spared from this bullshit in the future.

>Boycot initiated.

Hopefully. BIA: HH was one the few remotely tactical games that I ever had the pleasure of playing, and I enjoyed playing it a lot.

I hope they come to senses and make a proper sequel. This is just downright disrespectful to the fan base. And it's also somewhat disrespectful to the soldiers who fought in World War 2.

Baff1

Jun 20 2011, 19:18

I found the entire series to be massively disrespectful to the soldiers who fought in the war.
The first one made used to make Army Dave livid.

BIA:HH is the one where scores of severed German arms and legs kept bouncing around on the screen.

Maddmatt

Jun 20 2011, 20:33

Hopefully. BIA: HH was one the few remotely tactical games that I ever had the pleasure of playing, and I enjoyed playing it a lot.

It was actually pretty dumbed down compared to the earlier ones. Thanks to that stupid 3rd person cover system.

Kernriver

Jun 21 2011, 06:57

Aaaand another franchise turns retarded. I'm going to meet the CEO of Ubisoft in person, and punch him out.

Someone needs to set up some gravestones outside their HQ in memory of Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon, and now BiA.

I just hope they don't decide to make Hidden & dangerous 3 or SWAT 5...:(

JonPL

Jun 21 2011, 10:36

Hey. H&D 3 may be good. Made by Czechs, You know...? ;)

Deadfast

Jun 21 2011, 10:39

Hey. H&D 3 may be good. Made by Czechs, You know...? ;)

I wouldn't get my hopes up. Illusion Softworks were swallowed up by 2K and Mafia II is a great example of how well that went.

Tonci87

Jun 21 2011, 10:46

Oh Yeah, Mafia 2 gets my vote for biggest dissapointment

Maddmatt

Jun 21 2011, 12:34

I wouldn't get my hopes up. Illusion Softworks were swallowed up by 2K and Mafia II is a great example of how well that went.

Mafia 2... Way to kill my faith in modern games. :(
So sick of all the dumbed down crap.

bonchie

Jun 22 2011, 02:12

Mate, have You actually played any of the BiA's?

Because if You would, You'd be probably frustrated how corridorish was this pseudo-tactical game. How simplified or shallow in few places. How fucked up with very limited FOV a.k.a. console binocular effect. How Your mates came back to live after You finished the mission, how stripped were the controls (same button for reload\interact - WTF! no prone, etc) and options, how simplified was Gfx and how very limited was the field of battle. Plus the enormous HUD.

How can You call a game with only one good way tactical?

Well, let's ask ourselves why was it that way... hmmm... because someone decided it should be out on all platforms and ACCESSIBLE even to the kind called now "CoD kiddies"? And why PC version should be better or upgraded? PC gaming is dying, maaaan.

BiA SHOULD'VE BEEN PC based, it never was (as I'd love it to be), so please.

Want a PC title? Half Life. Men Of War. Flashpoint. These are PC ones, not dumbed down\not limited to fit onto consoles, unlike BiA.

You know what BiA felt like? Like a waste of potential. Hells Highway was just about the same ;\ (at least HH have great story and gfx)

BIA was originally only on PC for the first two titles.

Yes, HH was watered down and had Ubisoft's mark all over it, but the originals were very good and had solid tactical play. You couldn't just run and gun through them. Not even close. Most importantly they were authentic and immersive in their gameplay with very good stories.

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Mafia 2... Way to kill my faith in modern games. :(
So sick of all the dumbed down crap.

Mafia II just needed more gameplay. A lot more gameplay.

The base game, graphics, city, shooting mechanics, etc. were all good IMO.

The city in the snow in the 1940's at night was a sight to behold.

JonPL

Jun 22 2011, 05:39

BIA was originally only on PC for the first two titles. Kiddin', right? I did finished RtH 30 on my friends Xbox for the first time.

Dunno about EiB, but RtH 30 hit the Xbox and PS2 and even one more platform I can't remember. Check the facts before posting stuff :)

Mafia II just needed more gameplay. A lot more gameplay. True, true.

Max Power

Jun 22 2011, 08:19

By 'spin off' what they are saying is they want to have their cake and eat it too. Not only are they corrupting the series with an obvious intelligence insulting money grab, not only are they robbing some very creative works of their dignity and originality with this insulting derivative idiocy, but they are afraid to put their money where their mouth is and make it an official game. They're doing the videogame equivalent and taking the proudest creatures they can find and putting them in a blender, and they're even too lazy to give it an original title. They're borrowing the popularity of everything in sight. It's sickening.

Maddmatt

Jun 22 2011, 09:04

Mafia II just needed more gameplay. A lot more gameplay.

The base game, graphics, city, shooting mechanics, etc. were all good IMO.

The city in the snow in the 1940's at night was a sight to behold.

That's the sad thing, so much potential wasted.
The first one was a much better experience to play through, even though it was far from perfect.

RobertHammer

Jun 22 2011, 09:31

That's the sad thing, so much potential wasted.
The first one was a much better experience to play through, even though it was far from perfect.

The Original Mafia 2 beta - was alooot better than final version what they give us ,
because 2K for some very weird reason removed all good things like buying own houses , cars etc , all side missions , racing like in mafia1 , multiplayer and much more features

Instead 2K gave us ripped version of it and then readded few things in stupid DLC's

In short - 2K removed all good stuff , what Daniel Vávra created :(

anyway sry offtopic

Mr. Charles

Jun 22 2011, 09:44

I can't see the flash games on their webpage. I so wanted to play Flying Nazi :(

http://brothers-in-arms.ubi.com/furious4/de-DE/

Tonci87

Jun 22 2011, 10:53

The Original Mafia 2 beta - was alooot better than final version what they give us ,
because 2K for some very weird reason removed all good things like buying own houses , cars etc , all side missions , racing like in mafia1 , multiplayer and much more features

Instead 2K gave us ripped version of it and then readded few things in stupid DLC's

In short - 2K removed all good stuff , what Daniel Vávra created :(

anyway sry offtopic

Yeah, alone the fact that you couldn´t tune your car to gold level without DLC showed that they had cut the game content to sell it seperately.
DLCs are the downfall of the gaming industry!

JonPL

Jun 22 2011, 11:16

...until You do it the BIS or Relic's way.

Baff1

Jun 22 2011, 16:21

Mafia 2... Way to kill my faith in modern games. :(
So sick of all the dumbed down crap.
I only played about 15 minutes of Mafia 2, just as I had only played 15 minutes of Mafia 1.
It looked alright to me if you are into that GTA style of game.
Was it no good then?

I was dead keen for Illusionsoft to make Enemy in Sight.
A sequel to H&D 2 is something I would be right up for.

@<hidden> Bronchie.
BIA was always a console port from day one. It had horrible slower movement on PC because it was designed for a controller not keyboard and mouse, and the textures were all low res because they were ported from an Xbox and not remastered for PC.

Xbox was 800x600 as I remember. We are talking really big Pixels.

Also when you played it on PC, you didn't have to bother using the suppress mechanic anymore becuase with a mouse it was quicker to just headshot all the Jerries. On Xbox behind cover with only their heads exposed you had to play the game using the suppress tactic because with a console it takes a lot more time to line up that kind of a shot., on the PC there was no reason to bother.

Celery

Jun 22 2011, 16:24

I only played about 15 minutes of Mafia 2, just as I had only played 15 minutes of Mafia 1.
It looked alright to me if you are into that GTA style of game.
Was it no good then?

One of the biggest mistakes is to think that Mafia 1 and 2 are GTA style games. Sure, they have open cities and you drive cars, but the similarities end there. Mafia is not open-ended nor is it a sandbox.

Maddmatt

Jun 23 2011, 17:24

I only played about 15 minutes of Mafia 2, just as I had only played 15 minutes of Mafia 1.
It looked alright to me if you are into that GTA style of game.
Was it no good then?

You missed out. Mafia 1 was a great game.
As for Mafia 2, yea no need to continue past those first 15 minutes.

The Original Mafia 2 beta - was alooot better than final version what they give us ,
because 2K for some very weird reason removed all good things like buying own houses , cars etc , all side missions , racing like in mafia1 , multiplayer and much more features

Instead 2K gave us ripped version of it and then readded few things in stupid DLC's

In short - 2K removed all good stuff , what Daniel Vávra created

anyway sry offtopic

Wow. That explains the long dev time. Is there a source for this? Did anyone actually see this version of the game?