Aliens: Colonial Marines (At Last!)

[Jeza]

"true sequel to James Camerson's classic Aliens."
GearBox came out with first real trailer of colonial marines today, been ages since we heard anything, looks like it'll be direct to the film, cannot wait for this, huge fan of aliens.
4 player coop through the campaign as well.

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Plot:

Aliens: Colonial Marines begins with an ostensibly abandoned ship, the U.S.S. Sulaco, recovered in orbit around LV-426. Players lead a group of highly trained United States Colonial Marines as they board the deserted craft to uncover the fate of the crew. They will have to fight to survive unspeakable horrors and their own anxieties as they chase down the truth behind a galaxy-spanning deception that places humanity at the mercy of the most murderous and deadly species in the universe.

[Capt. Sand]

this should be awesome. can't wait.

[txalin]

this must be awesome. can't wait.

Fixed ;)

[IceBreakr]

Add one more alien fan here :) seen each part probably 50+ times... well, except third ;)

<--- ohhh gee, what is that in my avatar? <grin>

[BangTail]

Giddyup!

[Devil Dogs SF]

Love the movies, easily my favourite movies...Besides Resurrection of course. Definitely going to get this.

[CameronMcDonald]

Oh thank farking god. I've been waiting what, like 8 years?

[IceBreakr]

We were, I just hope we won't be dissapointed... based on this trailer, that is a big worry :)

[DMarkwick]

Nice corridor shooter. Game goal is to get from one awesome cutscene to the next.

Still, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised :)

[Celery]

Thing I hate about game trailers is that they never show anything.

[4 IN 1]

Nice corridor shooter. Game goal is to get from one awesome cutscene to the next.

Still, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised :)

What would you expect from an Alien game then?

[DMarkwick]

True :)

[[APS]Gnat]

lol .... yes agree, MUST be good ! ;)

Aliens - ALL TIME FAV MOVIE, EVER.

[CMB Unit 01]

Fan-flipping-tastic. Been following this for ages, good to see something actually appears!

[Odjob]

Goto 174.143.27.200 and type Father as login, gives a slightly longer "teaser".

[Jeza]

Goto 174.143.27.200 and type Father as login, gives a slightly longer "teaser".

ah you cheeky xenomorph. nice find :)

I like the idea of following the story line, obviously from the trailer you go in after the marines in the movie did? But you'll see massive parts from the movie im sure, tbh as an alien gamemovie , and im huge fan, however i cant not but be excited and expect something great, then again i said that about avp 2010, which to be honest somehow i managed to love lol. LV42 FrayersProspect ect, looks like they captured the feeling really well.

Edit: Gameplay at the end of that extended trailer.......looks very promising, even to the point that they look like the aliens from alien2 and not like the others from the other 3 films.

[Heatseeker]

Glad this is still on but.. i hope they fix those crappy resurection/avp style aliens, yuck :crazy: !!

[JonPL]

FOV.

Screenshots I saw from the game doesn't foretell good - You can see FOV typical for (mostly tragic) console games. If this is what a game will look like You'll be not a prisionier of the ship\planet\whatever but of a bad game design, famous "binocular effect".

It can be seen on the extended trailer as well (just less) :( way to destroy (or at least damage) the game.

[Enad]

Been waiting sooo long.

Hope it's good on PC.

The last AVP was so meh.

[Devil Dogs SF]

Glad this is still on but.. i hope they fix those crappy resurection/avp style aliens, yuck :crazy: !!

This.

[BangTail]

11 Minutes of Gameplay footage :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q86ds0kFE7Y&feature=player_embedded

[CameronMcDonald]

I like it.

But I swear to God if they pull the usual "let's-resurrect-every-line-from-the-original-even-when-unwarranted" shtick that a lot of these games and movies Terminator FUCK I'm going to mail my fist to that developer's home address.

Didn't see any smartguns, although I know they'll be in. :(

[BangTail]

Yah, it looks superb.

I love how the main guy has a 1911 at one point, at least you can go out in style with a touch of WW2 Nostalgia ;)

[[APS]Gnat]

hmmmm .... storyline on rails

[BangTail]

Yep, it is and as he said, they were aiming for a sequel to the film, so to a certain extent, I guess they had to compromise.

It still looks good and I like this move to Co-oP that we have seen of late. Dead Island was a f**king riot with friends.

[Dead3yez]

The aliens look a little small.

[jblackrupert]

If they pull the usual "let's-resurrect-every-line-from-the-original-even-when-unwarranted" shtick I'm going to mail my fist to that developer's home address.
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You keep away from them you BITCH! *Ripley voice* :yay: :D

[mrcash2009]

I was interested in this but it just looks like Duke Nukem decorated with Aliens theme.

I didn't like the alien anims as they run to you and that on screen blood splatter was very poor, I guess im biased becuase its that genre type I suppose.

[])rStrangelove]

I love how much attention they obviously put on details, if you've seen ALIENS the movie you instantly recognise the architecture of the corridors and special rooms like command HQ or med lab. Its plain GORGEOUS :D

[Dead3yez]

A game like this will never really be good unless it's built primarily for PC. To be honest, the aliens looked way too easy in the gameplay video. No tension or suspense that you get with the original alien or colonial marines movie. At one part a xenomorph was attacking the guy for about 5 seconds and nothing much happened... He should have been torn to shreds, but he just get scratched a bit then i presume some health regen bulllshit kicked in which shouldn't be in a survival game.


My dream game would be:

A whole massive map of LV-426 complex would be pretty awesome.

16 marines vs 48 aliens / 8 vs 24 etc PvP multiplayer.

or/and 2-16 player co-op with different kinds of missions. holding areas, clearing areas or reaching a certain point.. but you can choose whichever routes you want with dynamic alien attacks or no attacks if you get lucky... Go through the hive or take ventilation etc. Once you start shooting, the aliens become more aware of your presence. :) Difficulty would depend on the amounts of ammos you have, the distance you have to travel through the complex and the amount of aliens present. Two types of difficulty settings for the aliens soft/hard changing their damage dealt and health amount.

... Started to rant a little. But it just sounded awesome in my head.

[Tonci87]

I hate how every new FPS has to be showcased on a console!

[IceBreakr]

Whats the deal with this slow moving hands?

[JonPL]

I was interested in this but it just looks like Duke Nukem decorated with Aliens theme. This so much.

Game looks awful IMO.

Crappy FOV, crappy movement, crappy gfx [models, textures, everything], crappy planned scenes and all looks so slow and... crap.


Gosh I miss AvP 2 and Natural Selection.

[Archamedes]

If this is a true follow up to camerons aliens then yes yes goddamit yes. Howevever if the developers decide they want to try and be clever and start adding super human aliens that can hack doorcodes, fly and marines are running around in human tank suits with antimatter bfg guns then sorry but im off. keep it simple, keep it original and dont try to prove something by adding something new because the alien fans will not be impressed.

[metalcraze]

Call of Duty: Colonial Marines

[JonPL]

Call Of Duty is at least fast :| the whole game (the aliens, humans, guns) seems to be in slowmo :|

[Archamedes]

Call Of Duty is at least fast :| the whole game (the aliens, humans, guns) seems to be in slowmo :|

in all fairness so was the aliens films. if you are talking about the speed of the aliens in the game im glad they slowed them down a bit. both avp pc games and the recent avp 360 game the aliens were way too fast and playing as the marines wasnt enjoyable

[JonPL]

in all fairness so was the aliens films. if you are talking about the speed of the aliens in the game im glad they slowed them down a bit. both avp pc games and the recent avp 360 game the aliens were way too fast and playing as the marines wasnt enjoyable http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRH7VOATPCYv1nojNoW8GU-dUw12wXKaKRNAVpwV7m8fX-HCWIG

[speaking about PC's AvP1 and AvP2] All the people I talked to thought the Marine part was the best and most epic... also because You weren't really the king of the battlefield, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. They ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FAST, damnit! And so they were, and it was good.


Even with that I painted many walls with them...

[Dead3yez]

speaking about PC's AvP1 and AvP2] All the people I talked to thought the Marine part was the best and most epic... also because You weren't really the king of the battlefield, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. They ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FAST, damnit! And so they were, and it was good.

Agreed. :D


Being the marine is all about going against unfair odds. If anyone thought that was not enjoyable then they have really bad taste.

[BangTail]

The first AvP was great, I wasn't a huge fan of the second one and the third one was a load of crap (Rebellion really dropped the ball). The AvP movies let the side down as well, very disappointing.

Personally, I like what I see so far. The only thing I don't like is the constant showcasing new games on consoles (as someone else mentioned).

A co-op Aliens game with a story that follows on from the film suits me fine and until I actually play it, I'm going to reserve judgement on whether it sucks or not :)

And as far as crrapy GFX goes, that was on a console and I guess we were watching a different movie because the graphics looked pretty good to me and the attention to detail was excellent.

I'm not sure if Gearbox is doing a direct port (and it would be a shame if they were) but I'm guessing the PC version will look much better, just the higher resolutions alone will make a huge difference.

[CameronMcDonald]

Looked fine to me. I remember in the original AVP you'd get the occasional xeno jumping right over you at 5,000kph. :D

...before my pulse grenade met it at its LZ.

[mrcash2009]

I hope it doesn't have DRM issues like other games lately:


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[Max Power]

:/

Yeah, it really looks like they're using the body designs from ADI. The head is still biomechanical, and they did a good job of the mouth. The bodies are reminiscent of the company that David Fincher gave the contract to after giving HR Giger the shaft. They do have a biomechanical texture, though. As aliens fans, I would have thought they would have looked more at the Giger designs than the designs that came later.

The alien's implied life cycle was really cool in the first movie. In aliens it was cool too, throwing in a queen. They had to do this because the monster had been seen in the first movie, and was no longer scary. Moving genres to an action movie and making a big bad to increase the stakes is the only thing Cameron could do with it. The third movie reinforced the concept of the alien getting traits from its host organism (but sadly did away with the signature biomechanical look)... and it all went down hill from there. ADI further made the things fleshy looking ostensibly because they weren't really aliens but some kind of weird hybrid caused by some error in the cloning process. They put the large ridges on the tails to make them look like they could swim. The same aliens appeared in AVP, and then in AVP 2, ADI lost the plot completely with the very lazy head ridges. For some reason, every alien after alien 3 had dog legs, and plump lips, and every alien after resurrection was fleshy and weird.

In my opinion, for this game, they should have dialed back the design. But then again, I am just a Giger fan... you know, the guy who won an oscar for his design, that's all. It does tickle me a bit that the recent video game designs are actually closer than the recent movie designs, though.

...but 'crusher alien'? Are Gearbox getting their design queues from McFarlane Toys from the late 90s? That flies in the face of everything that's interesting about this creature as an idea... and the design is boring. The biggest problem is that they are billing this as a sequel to aliens. Aliens was quite a serious movie, and didn't have all that kiddy stuff in it.

[CameronMcDonald]

..but 'crusher alien'? Are Gearbox getting their design queues from McFarlane Toys from the late 90s? That flies in the face of everything that's interesting about this creature as an idea... and the design is boring. The biggest problem is that they are billing this as a sequel to aliens. Aliens was quite a serious movie, and didn't have all that kiddy stuff in it.

I actually still have the Bull Alien and flying Queen, funnily enough. :D They're classics now. I used to have the Queen Facehugger and the one that exploded (Scorpion Alien?) too. :D

[MonkeyGoat]

Doesn't look great. And this comes after just finishing AVP 2010, which was awful.

[Jeza]

Now I liked this trailer came out yesterday , game has been put back, but when has it not, take as long as they need to bring out a good experience I hope is their thinking.

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[Shataan]

I can`t wait to see what the general concensus will be from PC gamers who love to play the Alien in the 1st person perspective..... when they are bounced
from a beautiful Marine 1st person view, to the Alien forced 3rd person view in mp. And what GearBoxes is answer will be as to why both 3rd AND 1st povs
were not implimented to cover all player styles. I know I`ll only be playing the sp campaign, and Co op....... mp won`t see any miliage from me.

[Jeza]

sp campaign, and Co op....... mp won`t see any miliage from me.

Same here I imagine, wasnt to sure about the last 'kick-ass' trailer, I am starting to have a few reservations about it, however hopefully it all works out :p

[Smurf]

Oh, this is brill. The writer of the game, Mikey Neumann, has disowned this trailer, and promised that the dialogue is not from the game!
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/13/jan/mikey.jpg

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/01/24/new-aliens-colonial-marines-trailer-heavy-on-the-colon/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r5AoxeljVqs

[Jakerod]

That voice over is quite annoying. I feel bad saying that but it just doesn't seem to fit.

[andersson]

Im afraid it will turn into a story driven tunnel of FPS.. I want a more open dynamic situation. 3rd level, invasion, in AvsP gold is the best so far from all alien games.

[Krycek]

The amount of xenos jumping at you gives it a taste of cheap cash-in version.The xenos are supposed to be fearsome predators,not some fodder material for your pulse rifle.
Between the terrifying atmosphere of AvP1 and the latest derp incarnations of the Aliens universe,Colonial Marines looks to be in the second category.

[Jeza]

New MP trailer out, not so sure how this is how it will always play out online ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Y6tGD2znM

[Max Power]

The amount of xenos jumping at you gives it a taste of cheap cash-in version.The xenos are supposed to be fearsome predators,not some fodder material for your pulse rifle.
Between the terrifying atmosphere of AvP1 and the latest derp incarnations of the Aliens universe,Colonial Marines looks to be in the second category.

I don't know if you've seen the movie Aliens, but they were pulse rifle fodder the majority of the time.

[Krycek]

Yes I've seen the movie Aliens(quite)plenty of times and I remember that with the exception of the sentry guns in the holed up hq scene where they mow down plenty of xenos the rest of the movie the marines are busy dying.In fact the first combat scene with xenos almost half of the marine team gets whacked.So far(at least from trailers) this game promotes a whack-a-mole type of gameplay where you're Baron McGun Space Rambo killing 20 xenos and the most you get is a bad bruise.I'm pretty sure that in the past games if you had a few of those xenos up-close you'll get owned...pretty bad.Heck even one was enough in AvsP1 to get you to half health especially if you had the bad luck blasting him near you.
So far Colonial Marines looks like "Xeno number 194 please enter the scene" than the tensioned atmosphere of the past games.

[Max Power]

Yeah, but the marines kill hundreds every time they're engaged. Regardless of whether or not the marines 'got owned' up close, the majority of the xenomorphs did not even make it up close. And it seemed like more marines died in accidents or by acid splatter than by actual xenomorph activity. In fact, Vasquez didn't seem to 'get owned' by a xenomorph. She was wounded by acid exposure when she stomped an alien's head and shot holes in its brain. She was the only marine to be engaged in non-ambush close quarters scenario. So you could say in the movie, the marines bested aliens in CQC 100% of the time when they weren't caught by surprise.

[Krycek]

..... when they weren't caught by surprise.

This is the key phrase and it's basically the main feature of xenomorph,since they don't use weapons they're lurking predators,moving very fast in the dark,ambushing the prey.When they do get close it's pretty much game over.This is taken from wiki:
-Apone taken by an xeno and impregnated later(ambush)
-Burke attacked from behind(ambush)
-Crowe indeed killed by explosion
-Cynthia taken by an xeno and impregnated(ambush)
-Drake killed by xeno blood when Vasquez shot one xeno near him
-Spunkmeyer and Ferro(dropship pilots) killed by sneaky alien(again ambush)
-Frost accidental death
-Gorman and Vasquez being trapped decide to have one awesome death:p
-Hudson taken by an alien through a floor grating (ambush)
-Wierzbowski barely seen on the screen,attacked or killed by alien

So 6 deaths(without including Wierzbowski) are specifically from aliens getting close and ambushing the marines,seems pretty "owned" to me.I wouldn't say they bested the aliens 100% in CQC at all but it's your opinion.I would even say in close quarters like buildings the only effective weapon is the smartgun.Also I doubt the marines kill hundreds in every combat scene,the only exception is like I said earlier the hq scene with sentry guns.
Now of course the marines kill more than being killed by xenos,it's pretty logical too otherwise if the ratio was 1/1 we would have had a 10 min movie.My original point was that xenos are a fearsome enemy and Colonial Marines shouldn't be a Cod in space where you advance a room and 20 xenos jump at you,advance the next room another 20 pop up and so on.It takes out the fear and tension.One of the praised points in the classic AvsP 1 was exactly this feeling,that basically as a lone marine you'll have brown pants when the motion tracker starts to "beep beep".More than 2 aliens coming at you at the same time you would have been in trouble with only your pulse rifle due to their speed and fast movement on the walls.

[Jeza]

5 days or so now, this also popping out, regardless of the game adored the original and this version of the trailer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ521yQhZkI&list=SPVajZ7rjLrPMOaJA0qz2tcFcmaj1gEw3n&index=1

[BangTail]

Looking more and more like a pathetic attempt to cash in on the franchise - DLC announced before the game even releases and some people who got it early are saying it's not very good at all.

If it is as bad as some are saying it is, Gearbox are definitely going down a few notches in my book.

There is no excuse here - 6 years in development, lots of money etc and delayed several times because they were supposedly 'making it the best experience it could possibly be'.

Personally, when I started seeing Aliens with yellow bits on their heads and giant Aliens that rammed things - my "suck" radar was already starting to hum.

If the devs are such big fans of the franchise, why alter it and add stuff that has nothing to do with it (If it ain't broke, don't fix it).

I'll make a final judgment based on my own experience but it's not looking so good at this point.

This thread has a lot of links and opinions:

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=47082.0


Edit: Some Console reviews are in and it actually does not seem that bad, definitely not GOTY material by the looks of things but better than average:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGGP4NtRVbo&feature=player_embedded

http://setinstonegaming.tumblr.com/post/42753536156/danxios-review-of-aliens-colonial-marines

Edit 2:

Played for about 2 hours and I'm enjoying it. It's fun and on "Ultimate Badass" it is far from easy.

As has been commented upon, the textures are not so great but it's not going to kill your enjoyment.

They've nailed the feeling of the Aliens universe imho and as much as many complain about the WeyYu soldiers, I like them. They have surprised the bejeezus out of me more than once.

Not going to write a whole review but minus the textures and a bit of cheesy dialogue, it's pretty good.

I haven't tried the MP yet, I'll give that a go at some point today.

I guess if you really want to nitpick, you will find reasons to rag on it (like the majority of the people on Metacritic), but it is not a 1/10. From my own experience and based on the almost 2 hours I have played, I'd give it a solid 7.5 - 8.0.

JM2C

Oh and PS - You'll see some people saying that AvP 2010 was a way better game (undoubtedly the same jagovs that were hating on it when it was released).

I have to categorically disagree with these people. AvP 2010 was and is, imho, the worst game based on either (or both) franchises.

[Jeza]

Have similar thoughts to bangtail so far, so we'll see what's what later on, as they kept mentioning its the first game to be a direct sequel to the films I am hoping the campaign picks up soon as it has been in dev for many years.
Been playing for an hour Completed the first level, not sure can comment yet, but did grab a rather tasty Screen: -> Screenshot (http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/1117160762524793567/F93BBBE88DA5F61CDBE5F95E4A2E8922B1416566/)

[Krycek]

Rofl it's getting hammered by.....everyone?I'm surprised because it's been awhile since I saw the gaming press actually agree with the regular users.Especially the ones who slap 7,8,9s on every turd,yes I'm looking at you IGN.
Fail of the year??Don't think so,but it might be a strong contender.If you wanna laugh it seems even the console crowd hates it.
So anyone went guinea and actually bought it?

[BangTail]

Personally, I'm loving it - the more I play it - the more I like it.

I almost cancelled my Steam preorder based on the early negativity but man am I glad I didn't.

I'm not sure why so many people are so angry - especially console players (although I can't imagine this game is very much fun with a PS3 or Xbox controller).

I was playing Halo 4 with my nephew and I don't understand how people play FPS with those things (I guess if you've never used keyboard/mouse you don't know what you are missing).

Played a bit of MP (as an Alien) before, was a f**king blast :D

[Jeza]

Recorded 10mins of a few levels here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0dpcVEUDBc&list=PLD8AE452F000BD366&index=19

[VIPER[CWW]]

Just found this.... http://i.imgur.com/RJgDSY5.jpg say it aint' true :(

[BangTail]

;2294378']Just found this.... http://i.imgur.com/RJgDSY5.jpg say it aint' true :(

In terms of gameplay, atmosphere, ambience etc, CM blows AvP2010 out of the water.

Yep, the textures are not great but most of the game is so dark that it doesn't really matter. Still, a high res texture pack would not be a bad idea.

I'm not stopping in every room to shine my flashlight on textures ;)

I've had so many 'OMFG' moments playing CM compared to the 'yawn' moments of AvP 2010.

I'm near the end now and I've been playing solidly all day. These days, very few games have kept me glued to my screen the way CM has.

[VIPER[CWW]]

Sounds interdasting, I'll pick it up eventually, I'll wait a month or so till it's fully patched. Is there any news on a SDK being released? or is Sega another company who say the pc modding community no longer exists.

[BangTail]

Yah, good plan - still some pathfinding issues etc but nothing that will ruin your enjoyment. I'm sure they'll hammer those out fairly quickly.

Not sure on the SDK but I would not be surprised if we see a high res texture pack.

Just fired up AvP 2010 to take a look at the graphics again - not a bad looking game but within 2 or 3 minutes I remembered why I don't care for it.

IIRC, The Predator's shoulder 'caster' is not a 3 shot weapon and his 'cloak' is not time limited by energy. The pathetic attempts at 'balance' in that game are hideous.

The Predator is supposed to be a kick ass hunter, not some intergalactic gimp.

[ssechaud]

Just been playing for the last half hour. Am not feeling it. AVP Classic 2000 was the best, the speed and feeling of movement was perfect. Aliens seem slow and clunky like AVP 2010. Am not impressed at all. :(

[BangTail]

Just been playing for the last half hour. Am not feeling it. AVP Classic 2000 was the best, the speed and feeling of movement was perfect. Aliens seem slow and clunky like AVP 2010. Am not impressed at all. :(

Nothing is going to beat that game - they should just remake it (changing nothing) on a newer engine (Nudge - Unreal 4).

I still maintain that CM is a good game but the original AvP was epic :D

The Marine campaign was so intense that I would have to stop periodically to lower my heart rate!

[Krycek]

Did you guys get any of this stuff while playing?? http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/02/12/wot-i-think-aliens-colonial-marines-single-player/

Seems they got an alpha or something.

[metalcraze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y5WwV9YoW_U

Nuff said.

[andersson]

When I can build my own levels I will buy this asap (usermade tools or SDK), until then I stick to AvP Gold from -99.

[Smurf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo

J....Ju...Just watch it. FPDR

[RobertHammer]

That video is so true - someone or some studio basicly removed cool looking unreal 3 style lighting/shadows and the final game looks so empty and "ugly"

Even Doom 3 looks nicer than this final version of A:CM

[Jeza]

When I can build my own levels I will buy this asap (usermade tools or SDK), until then I stick to AvP Gold from -99.

I really can't see them doing anything for the PC community with this however, would be happy to be proved wrong in the future but I don't see it coming.

Came across this on Gearbox forums feedback thread, made me chuckle


played it for 10 minutes and then RANKUP!!!!!!!SUPER UNLOCK 500000XP BONUS UPGRADE1!!!1!!CALLENGECOMPLETED NEW WEAPON AVAILABLE MUTHER F*CKER YEAAHHAHAH AMERICA!!!!!!

uninstalled.

[Snafu]

Thought this video was pretty funny:

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Serious question, why is this game in particular getting hammered? Playing it so far it doesn't seem any worse in terms of gameplay or story than your run of the mill shooters (bugs aside) most of which have been highly rated by the same gaming press. Well, last standard shooter I played was Medal of Honor 2010 but I can't remember any huge difference in execution - same usual corridors and scripted events.

Did it not stay true to the films? I only got this since a mate wanted to do coop so I haven't seen any of them.

EDIT




J....Ju...Just watch it. FPDR

Well, damn, that is pretty bad!

[Jeza]

Serious question, why is this game in particular getting hammered?

Did it not stay true to the films? I only got this since a mate wanted to do coop so I haven't seen any of them.

For me, big aliens fan, all the hype they put around ect, and to come out with this, I and others actually thought it was a pre-alpha build they accidentally put out going on what we were lead to believe at e3, here's my brief review:
In Dev for 6 odd years, pitchford saying how its the first video game to be a direct sequel to a movies(s), and they come out with that campaign, ai squad mates dont die, so you feel no danger (in an aliens game!) my ai dude wont fire his smartgun inside on one mission, had a turret gun shoot at me through 8 separate walls on the other side of the level. Further more the marines in alien 2 were not all battleLA yes sir no sir follow orders ect, god awful shocking crap. Then they had the audacity to show that demo at E3 claiming this is what your in for...if i had my way they'd be in for a court case of misrepresentation. And what was this crap about differed lighting and dynamic shadows and all other graphical goodies!? more lies. Thankfully have AVP2000 and AVP2 on steam and disc, the last true representation of aliens. I mean Sh*t gearbox AVP2010 trumps this.

HOWEVER to the people who do enjoy it, good for them its one more game they get to enjoy, just really not for me.

[BangTail]

I mean Sh*t gearbox AVP2010 trumps this.

HOWEVER to the people who do enjoy it, good for them its one more game they get to enjoy, just really not for me.

I'm no apologist and I'm not going to tell you that CM doesn't have some issues although I do feel that people are being way too hard on it (The same people who will forgive the same problems in other games).

Granted, there were high expectations and Gearbox have definitely dropped the ball here.

As far as AvP 2010 being better, as I've stated before, absolutely not, that game was bloody awful (nice textures though ;) )

I've finished CM now on 'Ultimate Badass'. I found it challenging and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I only had a couple of issues with pathfinding and a couple of graphical glitches (nothing gamebreaking).

At any rate, to each their own at the end of the day, I'm not here to sell anyone the game but if you are thinking about picking it up, maybe better to wait for a few patches and hopefully (fingers crossed), a high res texture pack.

Another bonus, the price is likely to drop fast given the frosty reception. This will be on a Steam sale in no time flat.

Something tells me we won't be seeing an SDK.

They may have to refund the 'season pass' money they have taken as well as I really don't see any development beyond the 'Bug Hunt' DLC which I have no doubt was part of the original game that was held back in order to generate more revenue.

That burns my ass way more than the game not being as good as it could have been and it illustrates that these guys are primarily interested in money rather than quality - again illustrated by the outsourcing etc.

Funny thing is, as much as most people seem to love Borderlands, I've never really cared for it. I did like the original BIA quite a lot.

At any rate, CM may be the end of Gearbox.

Mr. Pitchford may well be wondering what strange and unforgiving land he has arrived in.

It's no credibility country.

[Smurf]

http://kotaku.com/5984068/how-aliens-colonial-marines-fell-apart

Makes sense.

[BangTail]

This really cheeses me off as well - why make it look worse than it did a year ago?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_588812&feature=iv&src_vid=3z2qVebxlUo&v=6lGXDM3LGnk

And a lot of that is not subtle. About the only thing I disagree with is the body cracking the glass.

In reality, I doubt a human body would crack the kind of glass you would need to construct an umbilical like that but the rest of the points they make are spot on.

Bottom line: I liked it but it could have been a GOTY and sadly, it was not even close.

In all honesty, it makes me glad that we have BIS who concentrate on a quality PC experience and don't port their games over from 7 year old hardware.

[Max Power]

This is the key phrase and it's basically the main feature of xenomorph,since they don't use weapons they're lurking predators,moving very fast in the dark,ambushing the prey.When they do get close it's pretty much game over.This is taken from wiki:
-Apone taken by an xeno and impregnated later(ambush)
-Burke attacked from behind(ambush)
-Crowe indeed killed by explosion
-Cynthia taken by an xeno and impregnated(ambush)
-Drake killed by xeno blood when Vasquez shot one xeno near him
-Spunkmeyer and Ferro(dropship pilots) killed by sneaky alien(again ambush)
-Frost accidental death
-Gorman and Vasquez being trapped decide to have one awesome death:p
-Hudson taken by an alien through a floor grating (ambush)
-Wierzbowski barely seen on the screen,attacked or killed by alien

So 6 deaths(without including Wierzbowski) are specifically from aliens getting close and ambushing the marines,seems pretty "owned" to me.I wouldn't say they bested the aliens 100% in CQC at all but it's your opinion.I would even say in close quarters like buildings the only effective weapon is the smartgun.Also I doubt the marines kill hundreds in every combat scene,the only exception is like I said earlier the hq scene with sentry guns.
Now of course the marines kill more than being killed by xenos,it's pretty logical too otherwise if the ratio was 1/1 we would have had a 10 min movie.My original point was that xenos are a fearsome enemy and Colonial Marines shouldn't be a Cod in space where you advance a room and 20 xenos jump at you,advance the next room another 20 pop up and so on.It takes out the fear and tension.One of the praised points in the classic AvsP 1 was exactly this feeling,that basically as a lone marine you'll have brown pants when the motion tracker starts to "beep beep".More than 2 aliens coming at you at the same time you would have been in trouble with only your pulse rifle due to their speed and fast movement on the walls.

I take your point about the marines being ambushed. And how many aliens were killed?

[andersson]

Fuck. This game deserves a properly spelled fuck in this official forum.
I knew it probably wouldnt be what they first envisioned and I hoped for. Even so, as long as the engine is good looking and we have the textures/sounds/models some clever person will come up with a way to alter/build our own levels. Right now it seems its not worth it, AvP 98 looks better when it comes to lightning.

When will I be able to build / experience a true aliens level? I dont care for cinematics, I want to be immersed in that universe with a couple of good friends shitting our pants before we die.

Anyone know where I can get my hands on 3d studio max 3.1? That is the last program I need to find in order to continue my AvP project, which I now will pick up after I see that this is not up to spec.

[metalcraze]

Serious question, why is this game in particular getting hammered?

Did it not stay true to the films?

It didn't stay true to being a (good) game.

And I don't remember Aliens having collimator sights on every gun. And aliens being completely blind in the dark (considering they have thermal vision). Exploding aliens. Spitter aliens. Left4Aliens.

[Krycek]

It didn't stay true to being a (good) game.

And I don't remember Aliens having collimator sights on every gun. And aliens being completely blind in the dark (considering they have thermal vision). Exploding aliens. Spitter aliens. Left4Aliens.

Also a slight addition:teleporting marines,teleporting aliens,dumb alien AI,AI that initialize only when you're near them.

@<hidden>,I already answered "Now of course the marines kill more than being killed by xenos,it's pretty logical too otherwise if the ratio was 1/1 we would have had a 10 min movie."
I still doubt they kill hundreds in every scene.:p

[Snafu]

Just finished the game in coop - worst ending ever.

[jblackrupert]

Interested video that uses Colonial Marines as an example for not pre-ordering games.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5Uj4XIT1Y

[Flash Thunder]

I love TotalBiscuit.

I have stopped preordering games Ive been burned enough and lied to enough.

Examples

Dragon Rising (Dragon Crap) This game CM lied through their teeth hyped me to high heaven and then was the biggest disappointment in my gaming life. Horrible graphics even maxed on PC, horrible multiplayer and a whole host of missing content that was previously "promised" to be in the final game.

Starcraft 2 (to some degree) mainly because of Battle.net 2.0 (really more like .5) a whole host of missing features crippled the experience and now I have to buy Heart of the Swarm (another 40 dollars) if I want those features unless they're patched into the Wings of Liberty...

Mass Effect 2 this game was disappointing on PC.

Anyways I will never preorder a game again not even for Arma 3.


I remember watching the pre release demo and how the developers were showing off the deferred rendering they had worked on for the game. Yes this whole operation was bait and switch. It doesn't take a big company like Gearbox Software 5+ years to develop a game unless its always on the back burner and only 50 or less people working on it at once. I remember waiting for BIA HH to release (also another bait in switch in some ways if you watch the old E3 2006 demo) then compare it to the actual release of BIA HH in 2008, bad multiplayer, bugs like crazy, generic graphics.

I lost faith in Gearbox over the years.

[froggyluv]

2 games I will preorder without question or worry: Arma III and Mount and Blade II

[Krycek]

Well I don't understand why people gave so much credit to Gearbox anyway,in my eyes they were always an average(mediocre?) dev.True they did the awesome Opposing Force HL addon ages ago and I heard they got Borderlands 2 finally right but other than these?It's seems when they get something right it's by sheer luck.

[Trapper]

about those video.

Did anybody else got the feeling when it came to being lured into becoming a diehard fan boy (for self protection) that the same happens a lot since Arma1 with our community here?
With the "pre-purchase"-phase beeing the long time from release until the last patches just before the next title is released, probably bug-ridden again.
:rolleyes:

[andersson]

As a BIS fan-boy I know that bug ridden or not it will improve and I know that the core of the game is what I want. So its not a completely blind purchase.

I dont pre-order games of obvious reasons. A BIS product I could pre-order as I wouldnt mind the risk to waste a few bucks on them as they have given me so much the last decade and all I had to do was to buy 3 (4) games. Feels like the bang-for-bucks is in my favour. Still I dont pre-order, simpler to buy it when its there.

[NodUnit]

Since it seems to be topic, Angry Joe review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGX2WE4QUw8

Pros seem to be multiplayer, sound design, sewer level without gun and alien customization.
Cons: Atomsphere in most levels, AI (enemy and friendly), characterization, enemy humans in half of the levels.

[Qazdar]

As a website said,the best thing in this game is the installation process ...

[RobertHammer]

This is funny > http://ukie.info/content/ukie-week-7-2013-uk-video-games-charts - i wonder how many of them are happy with the game :D

[JW Custom]

I was really looking forward to this title. Money not spent, money saved!

[REDFORActual]

Devs did a great job tricking the consumers. (Scripted rendered gameplay.)

[frostybowman]

Aliens Colonial Marines is an alright game in its own right.

However, it still suffers from serious Xeno AI issues. If anyone has ever played AVP (circa 2010), I think they nailed the Xeno behavior. They tended to slowly stalk you, in the shadows and behind objects, as long as you aren’t shooting at them or have your flashlight aimed at them. Once you triggered the fact that you are aware of them....they pounced, dodged or ran full tilt to get you. It really amped up the mood when you couldn’t see them and your motion tracker was going nuts.

Fix the Xeno AI and 50% of the problem is fixed. All animations need some polish too.

I played through the entire game and then re-watched the demo videos from a year ago. The shame is, it was only then that I realized how heartbreaking the final product really was compared to the promised version. Gearbox and Pitchfords credibility has severly been damaged over that simple fact.

[BangTail]

I think this might kill Gearbox.

Pitchford isn't doing himself any favors by keeping quiet and now with SEGA alleging that Gearbox misappropriated money earmarked for A:CM, there isn't much light at the end of the tunnel.

It's a shame that people are so shortsighted and always go for the easy buck while ignoring the consequences of this type of nefarious behavior.

[Flash Thunder]

Was conned the same way with Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising. Prescripted canned demos of the game running with non existing game assets.

Gearbox is putting itself on my developer shit list.

Sucks because I was really looking forward to a good Aliens game.