MultiDiscussion : TES5: Skyrim, BattleField 3, COD, R6 etc. [Archive] - Page 2

])rStrangelove

Apr 1 2011, 08:38

EA CONFIRMS MODDING TOOLS FOR BF3 !

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-3/1396990-mod-tools-confirmed-bf3-pc.html

This is it! We are very excited to announce the Battlefield 3 modding tools and to kickstart the preorders for the UBER Edition!

The UBER Edition basically features the same content as the Limited Edition, but has a personal Key added required for registering & downloading the BF3 modding tool set.

Battlefield 3 is the true successor to Battlefield 2. Beyond our signature multiplayer, we have also included a full single-player campaign and a co-op campaign – all straight out of the box. As for fan favorite features, how does the return of jets, prone, and 64-player multiplayer (on PC) sound? All this built with our powerful new game engine Frostbite 2, which you'll hear and see a lot of in the months leading up to launch. For the full reveal on Battlefield 3, stay tuned for links to our cover stories hitting the gaming press throughout February, starting with Game Informer right now.

Battlefield 3 will release this Fall. You can preorder the Battlefield 3 UBER Edition at www.battlefield.com now. The exact contents of the UBER Edition will be revealed on 2nd April 2011.

Secure your copy of Battlefield 3 UBER Edition at www.battlefield.com

Stay tuned at www.twitter.com/battlefield and follow our Community Manager @<hidden> for the latest news and community happenings relating to Battlefield 3.

More info's here:

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FCOPZ-Illuminator

Apr 1 2011, 14:45

Isn't 3D spotting a serverside setting in BC2?

Yes, it's a server setting. Kill Cam as well. Also true for vehicle third person view You can disable/enable it. Just enable the the HC mode (hardcore) to disable everything (kill cam, 3d spotting, third person on vehicle, crosshair ect...)

This is already possible within Bad Company 2 and will be possible in BF3 too.

[DirTyDeeDs]-Ziggy-

Apr 1 2011, 15:15

)rStrangelove;1888168']EA CONFIRMS MODDING TOOLS FOR BF3 !

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-3/1396990-mod-tools-confirmed-bf3-pc.html

More info's here:

< link > (http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aprilfools.com%2F&ei=-oqVTbrHF9HDswals6y1CA&usg=AFQjCNEdyJsB45Y58UxulRTMXNodDSq0Aw&sig2=GUCyQOezgsGHwt7o51OoUQ)

any announcements that sound surprising on April 1st (Fools Day) are meant to surprise the fools :rolleyes:

Hans Ludwig

Apr 9 2011, 21:28

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Battlefield 3’s campaign to be more tightly scripted than DICE's open Bad Company titles, says Patrick Bach.

Swedish developer DICE has revealed that combat in its upcoming shooter Battlefield 3’s campaign more closely resembles the tightly-scripted likes of the Call Of Duty series, rather than the open, sandbox style of its previous Battlefield 2: Bad Company games.

Con't.
http://www.next-gen.biz/news/dice-%E2%80%9Cmost-sandbox-games-are-boring%E2%80%9D

Ben_S

Apr 9 2011, 22:34

Bad Company 2 and Sandbox mentioned together ... ? :raisebrow:

:rofl:

froggyluv

Apr 10 2011, 01:52

Kind of suspected that when watching that trailer of the men on the roof vs sniper -looked tightly scripted.

“Just the fact that the environment can change dynamically creates a huge challenge for us when it comes to AI,” he explains. “[It] puts a lot of challenges to our AI code when it comes to finding new cover, reacting to the fact that it has disappeared, moving and flanking based on the new situation.”

This sounds interesting.

jblackrupert

Apr 10 2011, 09:18

BC2 was not sandbox by any stretch.

RangerPL

Apr 10 2011, 17:15

Who cares about single player anyway? Battlefield is all about the MP, it always has been.

Jakerod

Apr 10 2011, 19:40

Who cares about single player anyway? Battlefield is all about the MP, it always has been.
If it was all about the MP then there would be no SP. So clearly you have made a mistake. Common one made though both for Battlefield and other games like ArmA II.

jblackrupert

Apr 10 2011, 21:30

Up until Bad Company Battlefield SP was just severely stupid bots for target practice, learning vehicles...etc.

So ya. Battlefield is all about the MP play, DICE just added SP just to compete with COD
because thats EA's obsession now.

NodUnit

Apr 11 2011, 05:09

I wonder if this is partially why they removed the extra classes, to make room for the single player.

EricM

Apr 11 2011, 09:54

I love a good SP. You can have a more compeling story and experience, a nice showcase of the engine's capabilities, you don't have to wait for other people to be able to play, you can stop, pause resume the game whenever you feel like, you won't suffer harrasment from cheaters... Because it was bad in the original BF doesn't mean it can't be good now.

MP is great, but it's not the only way to enjoy a game. Even a Battlefield game.

11aTony

Apr 11 2011, 10:58

Further more, I had great time playing MP mode against AI in BF2. Or playing with a friend vs. AI, even better.

jblackrupert

Apr 13 2011, 08:04

Modding is "a declining trend" - Patrick Bach - DICE Producer

http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/pc/games/165827.Battlefield-3/news/136839.20110412.Modding-is-a-declining-trend-says-Battlefield-producer/

Maybe cause companies like EA refuse to release the tools?

Whatta doucebag.

MadDogX

Apr 13 2011, 08:21

It would almost be funny if it wasn't so effing sad.

And yeah, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Modding is declining because the big publishers are becoming increasingly reluctant to hand out the tools. Not because "peeps just don't want to mod so much these days". :rolleyes:

JonPL

Apr 13 2011, 22:15

Yep. Sion Lenton just got a new rival.

<insert big pack of bad words>

NeMeSiS

Apr 14 2011, 02:20

Yep. Sion Lenton just got a new rival.

Except BF doesnt really claim to be realistic, or be part of an awesome game series. :p

I think i will enjoy this game for what it is, and it may be the first BF game since 1942 i will buy.

EDIT: BF3 does claim to be part of an awesome game series, just not a different one than its own. Shame on me for posting at 04:20. :D

CameronMcDonald

Apr 14 2011, 15:19

ziiip

Apr 14 2011, 21:23

Somebody punch that twat in the face.

Agreed.:rthumb::rofl:

jblackrupert

Apr 14 2011, 22:32

The good news is all the silly comments from DICE and hints at consolization/BC3
are driving people to check out Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad.

Nobody has any doupts about that game.

Tripwire should do extremely well if BF3 turns out to be a console port or just BC3 with bigger maps.

Arma 2 is getting a bit of attention on the UK forums also especially the Project Reality mod thats coming.

Flash Thunder

Apr 14 2011, 23:40

1. Dont Provide feature "X"
2. Years or perhaps even months later publicly state that consumers dont want feature "X" or that its a "declining trend"
3. ????
4. PROFIT!

Continue until customers are stolen from.

RangerPL

Apr 15 2011, 00:52

Favorite comment from the article:

Patrick,

Modding is declining because no one (including Dice) releases mod tools or modding support.

You gimp.

jblackrupert

Apr 15 2011, 01:26

Freedom is bad mmmmmkay?

http://scrawlfx.com/2011/04/dice-most-sandbox-games-are-boring

NodUnit

Apr 15 2011, 04:33

Surely they could have made a better title, on that note what right do these people have to parade their opinions around as fact. We, the customers will decide what is boring and what is not.

I may just have a sour view but when I read about developers saying "this is boring" or "We aren't making it like this because it is boring" I can't help but hear "Don't buy their product buy ours", and get this creepy vibe that they are trying to sway us into believing what they say more.

EricM

Apr 15 2011, 08:02

Damn, I wish I had been told that before I bought and enjoyed all those sandbox games... Silly me...

OFP & Arma Series, Mafia, Assassin's creed series, GTA...

jblackrupert

Apr 15 2011, 08:13

Freedom is bad mmmmmkay?

http://scrawlfx.com/2011/04/dice-most-sandbox-games-are-boring

In other news out of Patrick Bach's mouth..

Battlefield 3 “will have the largest maps we have ever made”.

http://gamerant.com/battlefield-3-has-biggest-maps-infranchise-hold-79493/

Confused yet?

MadDogX

Apr 15 2011, 08:22

jblackrupert

Apr 15 2011, 09:06

DICE is struggling to sell the dumbed down consolizedpath the Battlefield series has taken to PC users who they know aren't falling for their bullshit.

It's the main reason the fled their own forums to Twatter and Failbook.

BF3 is probably going to be Bad company 2.5 - Larger maps, planes and choppers.

Even the Battlefield Play 4 Free game is a mixture of BF2 and Bad company.

MadDogX

Apr 15 2011, 09:15

I'm not yet so sure that the PC version will be "consolized". Call me an idealist, but I still refuse to believe that all AAA game developers are going down the easy road of multiplatform development by dumbing down their PC version along with the console versions. DICE and Valve both get the benefit of the doubt from me.

Innocent until proven guilty. :)

JonPL

Apr 15 2011, 09:26

Valve = good
DICE = bad

Cheers, Medal of Bullshit MP.

jblackrupert

Apr 15 2011, 10:34

I wouldn't doupt Nvidia and ATI has had a few private words with developers about console ports seeing as it effects their sales of new cards.

I HOPE they did or will eventually.

NodUnit

Apr 15 2011, 10:47

Large maps != sandbox.

Essentially the DICE guys seem to be trying to justify their game design decisions by saying "but this is what everyone wants!". Not that they need to justify anything - both sandbox and heavily streamlined gameplay (and everything inbetween) has its merits in my opinion, so I really don't get what they are trying to achieve with these statements.

Rather than knock one though they really should consider using both sandbox and linear missions to get the best of both worlds. I'm reminded of the BF2 special forces expansion, I cannot remember the name but the map revolved around a missile launching facility which had many points of entry through a varied terrain. However once you get in it becomes close quarters and very linear however it wasn't a bad thing.

There was also the carrier level mostly linear and a two maps where you had to defend or take hold of warehouses at night, they were more than just structures placed there as light props but rather became part of the level in full.

Just incorporate something like that into the campaign and you get interest from both groups.

JW Custom

Apr 15 2011, 14:41

The more i see of BF3 the less i want it. BF2 was a great game, heck even it's single player kicked Dragon Risings ass a few times.

Now it looks like COD/MW :(

ziiip

Apr 15 2011, 17:36

I wouldn't doupt Nvidia and ATI has had a few private words with developers about console ports seeing as it effects their sales of new cards.

I HOPE they did or will eventually.

http://gamerant.com/battlefield-3-may-disappoint-console-owners-dyce-78279/

Flash Thunder

Apr 15 2011, 18:03

DICE is just trying to hide the fact that Consoles will never be able to have BF2 sized maps with those graphics on a stupid console, so they say Sandbox is boring, and now there design path is that of Call of Duty, Small restricted maps to fit within a less than 500mb Ram limit.

Im worried about the future of Battlefield.

jblackrupert

Apr 15 2011, 20:16

I'm more concerned about them dumbing down the gameplay because of console controllers and appealing to the COD crowd.

They're removing the commander because according to DICE it was too complicated
for most people to understand and use.

http://bf3blog.com/2011/02/battlefield-3-wont-include-commander-feature/

A couple more comments from Patrick Bach that gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling.

“how do you get the threshold lower?”

"Our challenge is to make sure that anyone that just jumps into the game will get it."

---------- Post added at 01:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:37 PM ----------

Couple more scenes from SP near the end. Planes and tanks.

TfrrAp1blaM

Slowed down 0.25x

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Animated GIF's

Vaulting
http://h-2.abload.de/img/climbq9u1.gif

Jets
http://h-2.abload.de/img/jetslb2w.gif

Leap from cliff
http://h-2.abload.de/img/jumpskbxt.gif

NodUnit

Apr 15 2011, 21:16

mic1402

Apr 16 2011, 00:49

I sure hope they don't continue down this path, having games for everyone is fine and all but when it comes to the point that every game is accessible to everyone it loses what made it unique and most likely great in the first place.

The more crowds you try to please the more you remove from it, the more mediocre the experience for everyone..it sure would be nice if companies would stop trying to base their games around the whole COD success thing, the only reason it is shaping modern shooters is because they let it, there was nothing special about MW2.

But they have to. it's all about money. AAA games are now so expensive to make that if they want to make money they have to get a million+ sales. so they need to attract everyone they can. Homefront is a indicator of this. seen how the cut a large amount of staff after release.

then you also have to keep in mind that EA has become obsessed with taking the shooter crown from cod and Activision. after the problems with black ops i wouldn't be surprised if they did.

I have never played BF2. but i did play the demo for 1942. And buy BF2 but i was young and my computer couldn't run it. Didn't rebuy it when I could. did play it on Xbox though.

JonPL

Apr 16 2011, 18:18

Full 12 min. gameplay from Fault Line (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mdvxq4rk90&feature=player_embedded).

What sucks:
- next CoD
- made of other already seen trailers, just extended
- only the last scenes are worth watching
- even amongst them, YOU HAVE A COD TRIBUTE ZOMG

PS: oh, now I noticed. There's a gif of the cod tribute in the post above.

Zipper5

Apr 16 2011, 18:27

All videos released of Battlefield 3 so far have been on the PC, including that one.

ck-claw

Apr 16 2011, 18:40

Just seen that vid on TV during the FA cup half time!

jblackrupert

Apr 16 2011, 20:25

Hopefully when the MP footage and screens appear it'll be 100% realtime, no super AA effects added bullshit like they did with most of the BC2 stuff.

Gordon Van Dyke the producer on BC2 admitted after lots of suspicion by keen eyed viewers that most footage and screens was Xbox360 material that was cleaned up
using some kind of 3rd party "Super AA" process and Photoshopped to removed all traces of aliasing and other defects.

jblackrupert

Apr 17 2011, 00:35

Full 1080P version of the 12 minute trailer [1.77GB]

http://static.cdn.ea.com/eagl_online/u/f/bf3/noise/vids/Battlefield_3_Fault_Line_Full_Trailer.zip

http://www.fileplanet.com/219665/210000/fileinfo/Battlefield-3-'Fault-Line'-Complete-12-Minute-HD-Gameplay-Footage

Total bitrate 21047kbps
Audio bitrate 125kbps
Channels 2 <------------ Sucks
Audio sample rate 48kHz

jblackrupert

Apr 17 2011, 09:58

Some on the UK forum spotted some early DICE Trickiness.

They removed the WASD display on screen when your dragging the soldier
and then blured out the the key you push to disarm the bomb.

http://img3.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/9480/9480143b474c9b61cc1951991183a110ec37c6b.jpg

More the likely to fool the console kids into believing it could be console footage.

ArmAriffic

Apr 18 2011, 07:59

urgh, not more BF crap

jblackrupert

Apr 18 2011, 21:38

12 minute trailer with commentary by Patrick Bach that says nothing new that you can't see just watching.

WgHb9gD7TDs

JW Custom

Apr 19 2011, 14:46

WAUW.... already christmas?

wipman

Apr 19 2011, 22:21

Hi, the BF3 looks pimp but shows some "minor bugs" in that trailer already, will be an interesting arcade... but it don't gonna work on Windows XP. Let's C ya

Tonci87

Apr 20 2011, 08:30

Don't tell me you are still on XP. I really suggest you move to Win7. Really! It has done miracels for me.

PurePassion

Apr 20 2011, 09:13

i think the particle lighting looks very good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBkKdFFjU8M#t=3m20s

])rStrangelove

Apr 20 2011, 11:08

Don't tell me you are still on XP. I really suggest you move to Win7. Really! It has done miracels for me.

Haha, my WinXP is still doing great.

That said, i'll install Win7 64 as dual boot when BF3 is out. That way i can still move back incase some tools / whatever doesnt work on win7. :)

JW Custom

Apr 20 2011, 12:06

I have Win7 x64 on a virtualbox, only uses it to test some programming stuff. WinXP still kicks it's ass x10.

Tonci87

Apr 20 2011, 12:25

Well of course it does if you run it only on a virtual machine, which means that you most likely run your XP at the same time and slow down Win 7 in the process :j:

JW Custom

Apr 20 2011, 14:18

Well of course it does if you run it only on a virtual machine, which means that you most likely run your XP at the same time and slow down Win 7 in the process :j:

So you installed Win7 because it's faster... lol :p

Sickboy

Apr 20 2011, 14:33

don't tell me you are still on xp. I really suggest you move to win7. Really! It has done miracels for me.
+4400. Still on XP? - Big fat joke :D

Zipper5

Apr 20 2011, 14:34

I installed Windows 7 because I couldn't deal with a designed-for-2001 OS anymore. ;)

Plus, I wanted to run at DirectX levels higher than 9. I completely skipped Vista.

wipman

Apr 20 2011, 16:34

Hi, yeah.. i still on Windows XP, if i had to reinstall all the shit that i've installed i won't touch a computer anymore; aside of that... everything (unless the OA) runs and looks good with the XP 32-bits and the BF3 isn't a good enough reason, for me, to swap to Windows 7. It's a BF after all... . Let's C ya

JonPL

Apr 20 2011, 22:58

+1 for Wipman, I don't know what can You not like about XP... (except that DX limitations)

...offtopic much? ;)

RangerPL

Apr 20 2011, 23:37

+1 for Wipman, I don't know what can You not like about XP... (except that DX limitations)

...offtopic much? ;)
*cough*the interface looks like a fisher-price toy*cough*

All of the new games are going to DX10/11, hopefully ArmA will make that switch in the next iteration of the series...

jblackrupert

Apr 21 2011, 19:39

Sion Lention, eat your heart out

http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/news/article/14616/Battlefield-3-producer-claims-team-play-not-essential-in-multiplayer.html

whisper

Apr 21 2011, 19:45

Wow..... Gaming going downhill, lately. What's good in playing MP if it is to play alone? oO

Iroquois Pliskin

Apr 21 2011, 19:50

They could claim anything they want to get the sheep on the hook, but I know DICE has integrity in terms of staying true to what they've done in the past decade - near-perfect mechanics & game dynamics overall in my opinion, apart from some issues with DPI while sniping over long ranges.

I'll try to find an interesting interview I listened to a few days ago. Here it is:
93wSnp-sr5E&hd=1

By sheep I mean the peasantry with their xboxes.

jblackrupert

Apr 21 2011, 21:41

Commander is being removed because of controller limitations not because it's "too complex" as they claim.

Commander is something you can learn to use within an hour. wether you're actually a good commander is something altogether and nothing to do with any complexity.

Hopefully they have a better replacement for it in the works but I'm not betting on it.

Como-rose got removed for the same reasons.
just the fact that you couldn't give a simple "Thanks" to your teammates
who revived/healed/resupplied you was a huge blow to what BF is all about
those little courtesies was a major teamwork coheasive force driver.

Just like a simple sorry when you TK someone in Arma.
TK's happen but when people aren't saying sorry bout that then
the general vibe of the game goes south.

BC2 was/is just a clusterfcuk of people running around doing their own thing
auto-heal rendered medics a useless class other then them having guns.

froggyluv

Apr 22 2011, 00:10

Wow, it almost feels like these companies are revelling in the fact that complex, tactical assests are a thing of the past and "lets just have fun!"

:j:

Used to be the other way around and thank the Lord for companies like BIS as this is where I see the futures of home entertainment going...

GtOLqNuTOag

maturin

Apr 22 2011, 00:51

By sheep I mean the peasantry with their xboxes.

Wow, nice having a hometown audience, isn't it? You say shit that sounds like Bernie Madoff.

*raises pinkie*

"Why don't those proles just dip into their trust funds?"

jblackrupert

Apr 22 2011, 00:52

DICE dumbed down the Battlefield series with BC2/1943 and as a result attracted a large group of people who are now begging for more hoping they can get their COD fix
on an superior graphics engine.

Multi-platform + COD recycled engine is bringing them in droves and DICE is listening to them.

EA wants to de-throne COD so they can spew out a new title every 6 months
with tons of DLC and DICE is drooling over the thought of big fat bonus cheques
like the COD developers get.

Consolers should keep records of all the money they spend on games and controllers over the lifetime of their Xbox and PS3
they might get a big surprise..... At the end of the day their spending the same or more then the average PC gamer and
getting a lot less.

Iroquois Pliskin

Apr 22 2011, 02:53

Wow, nice having a hometown audience, isn't it? You say shit that sounds like Bernie Madoff.

*raises pinkie*

"Why don't those proles just dip into their trust funds?"

Well, it does pay to disregard the law, why should anyone want to work in a disadvantageous environment these days? :D

NodUnit

Apr 22 2011, 05:09

Sion Lention, eat your heart out

http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/news/article/14616/Battlefield-3-producer-claims-team-play-not-essential-in-multiplayer.html
another
http://bongdam.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/donkey-ass.jpg?w=181&h=192
trying to turn yet another great game into a mediocre experience.

jblackrupert

Apr 22 2011, 08:52

another
trying to turn yet another great game into a mediocre experience.

I'm planning a big system upgrade for finally playing Arma 2 in all it's glory, Red Orchestra 2 and now Take on Helicopters.

If BF3 turns out to be decent then bonus points but I ain't holding my breath.

All these silly comments out of DICE [Many of which haven't been posted]
may just be towing the console crowd along.

Surprises could be around the corner, earlier on DICE was acting like prone
was a thing of BF's past and voila... it's there and better.

Take on Helicopters - Day 1 purchase
Red Orchestra 2 - Day 1 purchase
Battlefield 3 - Depends on GAMER reviews.

ziiip

Apr 22 2011, 09:15

jblackrupert

Apr 22 2011, 09:22

They could create the gameplay features with the PC in mind and then throw out the ones out of the console versions that are too much for a controller. although I dont see how its so hard to reserve a button for proning on a controller.

The big issue with BF on consoles is the como-rose and Commander.
and of course that BF previous to BC1 and BC2 it was a tactical/teamwork game if you expected to win.

The biggest piss off is the fact that Xbox and PS3 support Keyboard and mouse but developers, MS and Sony refuse to implement them in most games.

NodUnit

Apr 22 2011, 09:27

That and from a player standpoint it's not hard to hold a button then use the control stick to maneuver to a quick left or right once or twice, it's sheer lazy incompetence.

jblackrupert

Apr 22 2011, 09:49

That and from a player standpoint it's not hard to hold a button then use the control stick to maneuver to a quick left or right once or twice, it's sheer lazy incompetence.

Thats most gaming today sadly.

The instant action. Hand holding, rage quit when they get shot kiddies

I play a lot of Battlefield 2142. A much more balanced, team work oriented game then BF2.

Many many a time my friends and I have gone up against a team of a dozen or so aimbot/Wallhack idiots and wiped the floor with them using basic communication, tactics and teamwork.

The saddest part of games today other then the dumbing down is
the lack of love developers are giving to the games they create.

Game design used to be an Art that people were proud of
now it's just a money thing. quantity over quality.

EA used to be short for "Electronic Artists"

NodUnit

Apr 22 2011, 10:11

Yeah..reminds me of this http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2794-An-Open-Letter-to-EA-Marketing I could say more but at this point I think it best I simply not speak of the console crowd much less call of duty, I've become too sour of them.

But what is worse then they is as you said, the companies themselves..computers have had amazing strides in their advancement, just as consoles, however consoles will never be able to match the best computer, computers will always be at least one step ahead due to the fact that they can and are always being upgraded at a rapid rate rather than one every some odd years. The capacity for which they hold offers the chance to do amazing things that consoles just can't, or can't do as well.

I imagine the people who actually work on the game itself still take pride and have love for what they do, the big problems are the big wigs who want their product to be just like the one that sold so well, forever stuck in a foolish endevour that cannot be reached without ruining everything that was great about the game before.

jblackrupert

Apr 22 2011, 10:32

I miss the old EA of Trip Hawkins day.

And walking into a game store buying games based on the weight of the box. :)

Iroquois Pliskin

Apr 22 2011, 17:44

EA used to be short for "Electronic Artists"

Electronic Arts. ;)

Gj6CVU1rm9A

:cc:

11aTony

Apr 22 2011, 17:59

Schwarzwald? Man I hated that map. Especially the race with '75 3.3L 911 Turbo on it. '73 911 Carrera RS was pretty tricky as well.

froggyluv

Apr 22 2011, 18:07

I miss the old EA of Trip Hawkins day.

And walking into a game store buying games based on the weight of the box. :)

Yep, they were weighty with a solid instruction manual which I would always read first. Bringing one of those games home was more of an event, at least in my little mind.

Notables being:

Racing Destruction Set

M.U.L.E

Adventure Construction Set

One on One: Dr. J vs. Larry Bird

The Seven Cities of Gold

The Bard's Tale

Mail Order Monsters

Racing Destruction Set

CameronMcDonald

May 24 2011, 06:00

Now with BIGGER BUILDINGS.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=coiTJbr9m04&feature=player_embedded

ArmAriffic

May 24 2011, 07:13

every call of duty game the stories and game-play get more and more un-realistic and gay, cod is not even worth a double face-palm

May 24 2011, 07:14

Inb4 "Press F to win"

11aTony

May 24 2011, 07:15

Lag Ops were not that bad for me but servers or players were often lagging. So if they make the game with proper in-game RCon it might be good. As long as there is decent RCon I dont care about any overpowered UMP45s, ACRs or noobtubes. Like in Lag Ops, AWM + tomahawk only :). I just ban the weapons/perks I dont want to be used on the server. Oh wait, you cant do that on consoles...
...thats why I have a PC.

DMarkwick

May 24 2011, 09:15

Just a game guys. And as a game, it looks pretty good.

Zipper5

May 24 2011, 09:54

It's a damn cool trailer, but unless they decide to treat their PC fans at least equally with our console brethren, I won't buy it.

SASrecon

May 24 2011, 11:39

Damn, looks exactly the same as all the other cods...
Surprise?

Tonci87

May 24 2011, 12:15

Cool Trailer, I might borrow it from a friend to play the campaign

Binkowski

May 24 2011, 12:20

super realistic war-scenario.

Tonci87

May 24 2011, 12:37

...my ass

just had to ^^

Col.

May 24 2011, 12:47

Damn. Can't fucking wait!

4 IN 1

May 24 2011, 13:05

Cool?

Yeah.....right....:j:

Binkowski

May 24 2011, 13:34

...my ass

just had to ^^

its sarcasm. (http://youtu.be/eE_msAKWdOs)

RobertHammer

May 24 2011, 13:57

this looks awful - graphics looks ok ,but the gameplay looks same over and over like MW2.

"Lets make a epic story - WW3 with Russians are destroying all citys , killing everyone and US army goes to rescue us" FPDR

NodUnit

May 24 2011, 13:59

Eh it's a game, not all games have to be realistic and there is nothing wrong with expanding ones imagination to scenerio's that likely wouldn't exist in the real world, to do so would be wasting the medium. I want to know why the US is seen is just about every nation rather than concentrating on our own, I think in that scenerio we might have to say "screw you all we need to defend and rebuild ourself" but I could be wrong.

mrcash2009

May 24 2011, 14:04

This looks amazing, I cant wait until release day so I can stare at other people playing it on youtube comparing machine specs and fighting in the comments sections :)

Its going to be so much fun, almost like watching small CGI films all over the place.

Purchase? .... ummm, fuck no.

Cozza

May 24 2011, 15:23

the first call of duty was pretty cool.

I still got it on disc somewhere around my place

Leopard

May 24 2011, 16:25

the first call of duty was pretty cool.

I still got it on disc somewhere around my placeYeah, The first and second were good. WaW,Blops and MW2 ruined the whole series. I can still remember hiding with friends from German Panzers and destroying them in Foy.

NeMeSiS

May 24 2011, 16:32

SP could be fun again, ill see if i can borrow it somewhere.

Col.

May 24 2011, 17:09

First priority; MW3
Second: BF3
Third: ArmA3 (Because it comes in 2012)

Woah. All epic games ends with 3. Damn.

maionaze

May 24 2011, 17:28

Multiplayer will be hyper-competitive .
I'm sure the SP campaign will be fun to play , if you have 4-5 hours :rolleyes: .

Smookie

May 24 2011, 17:32

Realism crowd to the rescue!

I liked MW and MW2, the trailer of the MW3 isn't anything special though. Although animations/mocap kick ass big time.

VIPER[CWW]

May 24 2011, 17:34

It's a damn cool trailer, but unless they decide to treat their PC fans at least equally with our console brethren, I won't buy it.

^^ this

First priority; MW3
Second: BF3
Third: ArmA3 (Because it comes in 2012)

^^ not this

If I ever get MW3 it will only be for the single player as the multiplayer is just... tragic

Ben_S

May 24 2011, 18:01

Yeah, This looks intresting. /sarcasm

Unless they've given CoD an overhaul, it'll be the same rehashed gameplay and engine and yawn ..

I hate to say it - but even CM tried to make something new, Activision doesn't even go that far.

ProfTournesol

May 24 2011, 18:04

I hate to say it - but even CM tried to make something new, Activision doesn't even go that far.

When ? With DR, maybe. With RR, nope.

Ben_S

May 24 2011, 18:09

When ? With DR, maybe. With RR, nope.

They certaintly have tried more than Activsion to make something different.

I mean seriously, look at Mw2, BlackOps and then the Mw3 trailers.

Whilst CM failed miserably to deliver, they did attempt something different. This however - isn't even trying.

Flash Thunder

May 24 2011, 18:27

The same engine again?

You would think will all the billions of dollars they've made they would just buy a awesome engine and just update what they want.

If theres not much new to Multiplayer then I wont buy it I dont care for the hollywood style campaigns.

Defunkt

May 24 2011, 20:12

Wonder if the player actually gets to do anything between cut-scenes? Depressing.

Prydain

May 24 2011, 20:28

The single player is an interactive fantasy movie, stop hating just because it is mindless.

Its just pure fun, not a game that I'll be spending a lot of time on (just like MW2) but I'll get it and play it through. MW2 was worth £20 so whos to say that MW3 isn't?

11aTony

May 24 2011, 20:48

They certaintly have tried more than Activsion to make something different.

I mean seriously, look at Mw2, BlackOps and then the Mw3 trailers.

Whilst CM failed miserably to deliver, they did attempt something different. This however - isn't even trying.

Call of Duty is something completely else. You cant just overhaul a game like that. It highly depends on Multiplayer PvP which RR doesnt even have. Look at what happened to Counter-Strike when they overhauled it in Source. Even in 1.6 some things were weird compared to 1.5. It is a delicate kind of game to update. The game has real competitive scene playing for real money so you still always need to make the game balanced. Especially since its made for consoles where things are not so customizable as on PC. Btw, some guys made a mod for MW2, adding dedicated servers and such.
So far, Activision have only been trying the EA way. That is taking features out and putting them back in for next part. I dont this it will work much further though.
What more is there to improved in CoD? Not much besides adding all the features they had in previous parts, separately, back in and make the best CoD ever. But they know that once they do that, the only thing to update is gore and gfx. This is probably the end of CoD then.
What more can be added to CoD? Well, for example, longer, more complex spec ops style missions. War mode. Maybe PvP progresive missions. Not just typical TDM, Dem, Dom. Maybe some vehicles. Whatever, as long as it does not mean reducing content/features.

Zipper5

May 24 2011, 20:51

MW2 was worth £20 so whos to say that MW3 isn't?
Those who say MW2 wasn't worth it. ;)

(That would include myself.)

BangTail

May 24 2011, 20:55

Call of Money is a joke (as is PC gaming in general these days)

Prydain

May 24 2011, 21:27

Those who say MW2 wasn't worth it. ;)
It is a nicely polished, fun, jump-in and play with your mates, low-brow type of game.

Arma2 isn't exactly a magnificent game but it is unique and fun to you and me. Most people need a game that they can just play with their mates without spending any time talking about mod folders, mission making or all that other bullshit we put up with just to play Arma.

Call of Duty is, exactly as I said before, an interactive fantasy movie. It doesn't pretend to be high-brow or live off undeserved hype like Halo. If you can't accept that it is different from a pretend military simulator then you've got to relax those arse muscles.

Zipper5

May 24 2011, 21:34

Arma2 isn't exactly a magnificent game but it is unique and fun to you and me.
Lol, for a $60 retail price (that hasn't dropped) and the amount of money the game made, if MW2 wasn't magnificent at release, it sure as hell better have become one post release. Did that happen? Nope.

It was certainly better than BlOps, but wasn't even close to reaching MW1 standards. It's a sub-par sequel that made more money than the original.

Oh, and I like many games other than simulators, especially first person shooters, so that part of your argument is moot. You can do a lot better in the FPS market than MW2 and BlOps (and probably MW3 unless things change). They are not worth $60.

Edit: So as to also defeat the idea that I don't know what I'm talking about, even though I'm not proud of it, check out what my most played game on Steam is: http://steamcommunity.com/id/zipper593/games?tab=all

BangTail

May 24 2011, 21:49

It is a nicely polished, fun, jump-in and play with your mates, low-brow type of game.

Arma2 isn't exactly a magnificent game but it is unique and fun to you and me. Most people need a game that they can just play with their mates without spending any time talking about mod folders, mission making or all that other bullshit we put up with just to play Arma.

Call of Duty is, exactly as I said before, an interactive fantasy movie. It doesn't pretend to be high-brow or live off undeserved hype like Halo. If you can't accept that it is different from a pretend military simulator then you've got to relax those arse muscles.

I love a good 'jump in and play' FPS as much as the next guy, the problem is that the last 2 CoDs have not been good in any sense of the word.

Of course, there is no accounting for some tastes ;)

JonPL

May 24 2011, 22:11

When flaming BlOps take a note that... singleplayer was great. Maybe it was short, yeah (2-3 nights for me, I guess), but the story was OHMYGOSH and something different. The atmosphere was great, even tho the guns or vehicle appearance didn't made any sense - and that is an accomplishment.

I'll surely remember Woods, Reznov or Ed "Hudson" Harris. Not many games made such a strong character appearance, produce such feeling for these (Type "Sgt Woods" in YT to see what I mean). Price, Gaz or other people (I don't know the MW2 guys, I didn't played MW2, I just think Makarov's creepy) never really played that important role... That's something and missing it is ignorance, IMO.

Also, game delivered bots out-of-the-box, some small easter-eggs and mini-games. IGN is shitty sometimes but they couldn't hit better with "if You go for pure >> value-for-money << go for Black Ops". It was really a step forward in dying world of CoD*. Unlike MW3.

Why would You go to Germany, Czech or France to fight as a US or in that better parts, a UK commando? FFS. There's also other armies and special forces in the world... I'd gladly utilise german G36 as a KSK operator, play a role of a GROM assault team member, hell, I'm even ready to be a fighting french, not to mention the regular armies or other countries - such as Spain or Italy - units.

*then again, MP was kinda disappointing - I miss classic fixed CTF's, and overall teamplay, with new games it's all different styles of DM

Quake 3, UT's or even Quake 1 [or DMC mod for HL] will always be better in DM thingy

CS and Firearms:Source mod will always own if we talk about teamplay

I just wish new games wouldn't be that-way only, sure, keep'em for casuals, but why can't we have things that will satisfy both sides?

I'm seriously curious about what BF3 will deliver, mostly because MoH failed miserably :(

Ben_S

May 24 2011, 22:51

Edit: So as to also defeat the idea that I don't know what I'm talking about, even though I'm not proud of it, check out what my most played game on Steam is: http://steamcommunity.com/id/zipper593/games?tab=all

I think most people here secretly have alot more time on Mw2 than they'd like to admit.

It wasn't a terrible game, Mw3 wont be terrible in any respect past the fact that it will be the same game as it was a few years ago. The real nail in the coffin with CoD is how they treat the PC fanbase. Which is sometimes saddening.

Also, I have more time on Mw2 than i'd like to admit too:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/kllr101/games?tab=all
http://www.xfire.com/profile/kllr101/

Prydain

May 25 2011, 00:39

Oh, and I like many games other than simulators, especially first person shooters, so that part of your argument is moot. You can do a lot better in the FPS market than MW2 and BlOps (and probably MW3 unless things change). They are not worth $60.
$60? Thats like £37, whats that like in real terms? Expensive? I haven't paid over £30 for a game ever I don't think and I don't consider £30 as expensive for a game.

You haven't mooted any point that I made. Just saying "that part of your argument is moot" isn't going to point out what you are debunking and how I am wrong. And why you seem to think that my observation is an attack on your experience with games is beyond me.

Call of Duty is not a simulator.
It is fantasy, its story is absurd and it isn't pretending to be anything else.

Call of Duty is for the masses.
Everyone has it, it is a game people can jump onto knowing that one of their friends will probably be online.

Call of Duty is not brilliant.
Unlike Halo, Call of Duty has quality. Things like voice acting, set-piece animations and sequenced events are polished like no other game but it doesn't 'wow' anybody because it is just, as I keep saying, an interactive movie when it comes to single player and has a very refined multilayer that has small scope and full of action and content.

None of my points are against the grain of opinion, it is just what it is, thats why it is so popular.

[Side note: I don't consider Black Ops or World at War actual Call of Duty titles, not least because they are utter dogshit but are made by a gash DLC development team]

RangerPL

May 25 2011, 01:44

I have to disagree with you on WaW and BlOps. Sure they weren't innovative and Treyarch is not a first-class devhouse, but they had something about them that gave them a certain "tone". WaW was plain epic, especially the Russian missions and BlOps had this "old James Bond movie" feel to it.

MW2 was very fun (I have clocked ~300 hours on multiplayer), but it eventually got boring. Nothing beats CoD4 though, I still play that game's campaign missions even though I beat them all numerous times. They were simply amazing.

bonchie

May 25 2011, 02:52

I know COD has a tried and true formula to sell these games but I'm waiting for someone, including their immediate competitors (MOH, etc.), to evolve at some point.

How many corridor shooting galleries is enough before people get bored? I know I got bored with it almost a decade ago.

I have no idea why open world combat games haven't become the standard with the current technology we have.

4 IN 1

May 25 2011, 04:48

I am looking forward to DNF more then this.

])rStrangelove

May 25 2011, 06:32

Just saw the trailer by accident. LOLed so hard seeing all this chaos. My impression is that COD is stuffed so full of smoke, collapsing buildings and loud explosion sounds in order to hide the fact that the developers are totally and finally out of original ideas.

Already had the feeling i'm gonna avoid it, after this trailer i know exactly why.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/_DirkGently_/fpsmapdesign.jpg

Sky999

May 25 2011, 09:54

I get the feeling some people feel the need to simply dislike MW3 purely because it's seen as the 'in' thing to do.

As far as games go it looks good, it's a damn sight more fun than a lot of other games, and it deserves credit for that. Obviously it doesn't have the lasting appeal that ARMA has, but it's still a good game.

])rStrangelove

May 25 2011, 10:21

Zipper5

May 25 2011, 10:25

I don't dislike MW3 because it's the 'in' thing to do. I don't dislike MW3 because it's not a simulator.

I disliked MW2 and BlOps mainly because PC users were shafted once more, and in the case of BlOps are still left with a broken game unless you're playing on Windows XP. I dislike MW3 because it's unlikely that attitude towards us will change. We are second-rate citizens to our console brethren in Activision's eyes, and they are not getting my money for a second-rate product.

Col.

May 25 2011, 13:11

Why does CoD gets so hated?
We have Fifa, for instance, same game years over, and no, no hatin' on Fifa, just a exampl, 'cuz Fifa isn't blown over with hate-posts. Is it because CoD is popular?

I don't get it. Every game site I've been on and CoD gets up, everyone hates it and call CoD-fans "CoD-Fanboy jerk".

What's up?
It's just a game. Not like it, don't mind it.

PuFu

May 25 2011, 13:20

the hatred is there because COD is a very big profitable business, and has influenced a lot of other games and franchises. I know that they make it because it is a demand, but then again, the whole gaming industry turned down the same way hoping they'll hit the jackpot.

There is little inovation nowadays, besides the technical one. I don't know about you, but the games i used to play almost 20 years ago were, from a gameplay and story pov of view, far more attractive. Now, the very fist thing everyone is interested in is the gfx and the fancy cutscenes.

i'd say that is the real reason

Col.

May 25 2011, 13:35

I see what you mean there. But I still can't see the masshate against CoD. Wellwell. I'll just don't mind, if I get BF3, MW3 and ArmA 3 I'll be good. :P

Zipper5

May 25 2011, 13:38

I've hated COD since they started treating those who started the franchise worse than the ones who now rake in the dough.

Sickboy

May 25 2011, 13:46

Make love not hatecraft!

Mr Burns

May 25 2011, 14:09

)rStrangelove;1937193']http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/_DirkGently_/fpsmapdesign.jpg

That´s gotta be the most spot on and tragic mocking pic i´ve seen for years :(

4 IN 1

May 25 2011, 14:36

I hate it because kids thinks its cool when its not, anyway (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgbtvzCs6M1qejp6no1_250.gif) :p

STALKERGB

May 25 2011, 23:05

I still don't quite understand how the development costs of MW3 are reportedly $200 million, still I'd hate to see how much they spend on PR on top of that...

Looks like a couple hours of fun to be honest...

Zipper5

May 25 2011, 23:09

Development costs for them are $200 million? What? :confused:

LA Noire, an infinitely better game than any COD game could ever hope to be, had a budget of $100 million.

4 IN 1

May 26 2011, 02:13

Buy a lots of Ad slot in TV, Superbowl, NBA, Baseball, game mag, and online game site, then you can ramp up that cost very fast;)

maturin

May 26 2011, 02:52

I still don't quite understand how the development costs of MW3 are reportedly $200 million, still I'd hate to see how much they spend on PR on top of that...

Didn't you play MW2? That game features absurdly useless levels with almost no gameplay value, representing the financial and time resources necessary to produce an smaller indie game, but all farmed out to level design drudges. All for flashy cinematic effect. The favela escape is what I'm thinking of specifically.

NodUnit

May 26 2011, 03:28

I'll probably be watching it via youtube, I don't have anything against COD now it's just there is no replayability, aside from pointless text achievements you don't get any unlocks of sorts for trying to do something and the difficulty and number of things to do doesn't amp up pending the difficulty.

I guess you could say I'm spoiled by games such as http://www.entertainmentbuddha.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/goldeneye007pal.jpg and http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ux22NgoEUF4/TVc4Ta2uJRI/AAAAAAAAAD8/2pvP2gzmyBo/s1600/Perfect_dark_n64_box_art.jpg

The levels are just too tightly pulled, you hardly get to explore much of any area without doing something to screw the mission up and there is no added goal other then what you make yourself but even then due to the tightness it loses the luster of imagination.

Hans Ludwig

May 26 2011, 06:51

])rStrangelove

May 26 2011, 08:34

I'll probably be watching it via youtube, I don't have anything against COD now it's just there is no replayability,...

Thats actually a very good idea. You'll have almost the same experience as the guys playing it / watching bots do the work, but you wont spend a single penny on it.

I'm in. *gets popcorn*

Tonci87

May 26 2011, 09:06

This makes me sad

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/_DirkGently_/fpsmapdesign.jpg

And makes me feel kind of old at the same time (I´m 23)

])rStrangelove

May 26 2011, 10:46

This makes me sad
And makes me feel kind of old at the same time (I´m 23)

You played Doom1 when you were 6? :D

Tonci87

May 26 2011, 11:03

Nope, but I played it! at the age of 12 I think.....
But I remember that the old games really had a bigger leveldesign, you needed to walk more (which wasn´t always a good thing)

CameronMcDonald

May 26 2011, 12:55

)rStrangelove;1938444']You played Doom1 when you were 6? :D

My uncle let me play it when I was 7. Good ole chainsaw fun. :D

STALKERGB

May 26 2011, 13:31

Development costs for them are $200 million? What? :confused:

LA Noire, an infinitely better game than any COD game could ever hope to be, had a budget of $100 million.

Well to be fair MW2 cost $200 million by release day, although only around $40-50 million was development costs, the rest was marketing. In fact IW apparently turned down the budget offered to them because they thought it was too much.

So I guess the budget of $200 million for developing MW3 is more feasible if each studio working on it had a similar budget to MW2, so $50-70 million each for all three studios creating it.

Anyway, I didn't realise the MW3 reveal was on the same day as the Zampella/West/IWEG/EA vs Activision court case...

EDIT: If anyone cares:

PCG:
Entirely on purpose, Activision PR has released a set of three new screens from this year’s inevitable record-shattering-yet-divisive blockbuster military first-person shooter. If yesterday’s trailer and the leak from last week left any doubt in your mind that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 would involve men with guns in a variety of locations, some of them damp, let these shots put your fears to rest.

Pic1 (http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2011/05/MW3_SCUBA.jpg)
Pic2 (http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2011/05/MW3-US-Army-Man.jpg)
Pic3 (http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2011/05/MW3-Gas-mask.jpg)

Abs

May 26 2011, 21:17

Pic2 (http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2011/05/MW3-US-Army-Man.jpg)

Could they not slap o a few more American flags on to this guy? I mean he still has a ton of free space.

Abs

someguywho

May 26 2011, 21:34

Could they not slap o a few more American flags on to this guy? I mean he still has a ton of free space.

Abs

It's just in case he forgets where he's from.

Pauld

May 26 2011, 22:22

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3's Reveal Trailer, which shows scenes of terrorism on the London Underground, is reported to have led to calls for the game to be banned, reports the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail is comparing the London Underground scenes to the 7/7 terrorist attacks in London, with those affected unhappy about the likeness found in Activision's guaranteed smash hit. Vivienne Pattison of Mediawatch UK has "concerns" because "these games are hyper-real," adding MW3 "is in incredibly poor taste". This isn't the first time Call of Duty has skirted with controversy. Modern Warfare 2 was heavily criticised by some for its No Russian level, which allowed players to shoot civilians at an airport while taking on the role of a terrorist. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 will be released worldwide on November 8.

Orginal link http://www.thetechgame.com/News/sid=1716.html#26307

Zipper5

May 26 2011, 22:25

"the Daily Mail."

Stopped reading there.

Thank God there are games like Duke Nukem: Forever that deliberately laugh in the faces of these people.

Ben_S

May 26 2011, 22:36

Pic1 (http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2011/05/MW3_SCUBA.jpg)
Pic2 (http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2011/05/MW3-US-Army-Man.jpg)
Pic3 (http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2011/05/MW3-Gas-mask.jpg)

Pic1 (http://www.arma3.com/screenshots/scr02.jpg)
Pic2 (http://www.arma3.com/screenshots/scr08.jpg)
Pic3 (http://www.arma3.com/screenshots/scr03.jpg)

I know which game I'm gonna prefer out of those 2 sets. :)

@<hidden> Mail, Haha, I thought that kinda thing only happened in America. You'd have thought the media had more important news to talk about rather than moaning about some video game with a car chase scene, with a train. :p

Prydain

May 26 2011, 22:38

Hahaha!

The Daily Mail: retrogress in a state of panic.

I am going to play No Russian just to kill as many civilians as possible. The taste of freedom it gives me makes my nipples all tingly.

4 IN 1

May 26 2011, 23:53

Ah, Daily Fail, nuff said:p

NeMeSiS

May 26 2011, 23:55

Ooooh its hyper-real.

colossus

May 27 2011, 01:11

Being a PC gamer I find that Activision is all-in-all done with PC. MW2 was a disaster for PC gamers - I didn't even bother to buy that one after Robert Bowling revealed (http://bashandslash.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=746&Itemid=69), just a month prior to the release (!), that there were no dedicated servers. Honestly, match-making works for console, since the system is the same for everyone, but not for PC. It was also limited to 9 vs. 9 with fewer game types then the previous CoD games had. Not to mention the inconsistent story on the single player campaign. However, the PC format did get a boost with Black Ops, bringing back dedicated servers and console commands. The only sad part is all the lag and, for me personally, the balance and accuracy of the weapons.

Having experienced this, I doubt PC is anything but second- or even third class citizens for the upcoming MW3. I don't want to pay for scams like that. Not this dairy cow.

Prydain

May 27 2011, 01:35

We can't think that we PC gamers have a right to dedicated servers and all the bells and whistles that we expect. Get over it and buy it on your console, if you don't want to buy it, don't.

bonchie

May 27 2011, 03:08

I hate Call of Duty for the same reason I hated Grunge music in the early 90's.

It took rock music from fun loving, guitar solo ripping, and innovative (within the technicality of the music being written) and turned it into endless three chord progressions, solemn monotone voices, and singing about how shitty life is.

Call of Duty took a genre that was headed to bigger and better things with real innovation (OFP, HD2, Rainbow 6, SWAT, etc.) and turned it into endless 6 hour linear corridor shooters with lots of explosions, no thinking, and no replay value.

Obviously, they didn't force almost every other FPS developer to follow their path over and over for the past decade, so it's not all their fault. I still blame their initial success for the crappy state of combat shooters though (sans ARMA).

NodUnit

May 27 2011, 04:09

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3's Reveal Trailer, which shows scenes of terrorism on the London Underground, is reported to have led to calls for the game to be banned, reports the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail is comparing the London Underground scenes to the 7/7 terrorist attacks in London, with those affected unhappy about the likeness found in Activision's guaranteed smash hit. Vivienne Pattison of Mediawatch UK has "concerns" because "these games are hyper-real...

Yay I love how people associate any attack in any present time with an attack on their city displayed in a game. :dance1: On that note I wonder how many people in the UK might be aggrivated with the media for thinking of it that way. (IE is this media actually supported by the people's response or is this the media having head up ass white knight response)

On another note there sure seems to be a lot of diving scenes going around.

Zipper5

May 27 2011, 06:00

We can't think that we PC gamers have a right to dedicated servers and all the bells and whistles that we expect. Get over it and buy it on your console, if you don't want to buy it, don't.
And watch the MP experience just get worse and worse?

No thanks. I have many better, and cheaper, alternatives to Call of Duty.

DMarkwick

May 27 2011, 09:16

Daily Mail. Bleah. Hateful rag.

])rStrangelove

May 27 2011, 09:20

COD has become the McDonalds of all FPS tbh. Everybody knows it's bad to go there, but they go anyway, since most of your dumb friends are hanging out there and have a nice chat.

DMarkwick

May 27 2011, 09:29

Thing is - I like a McDonald's now & then :)

MadDogX

May 27 2011, 09:43

)rStrangelove;1939299']COD has become the McDonalds of all FPS tbh. Everybody knows it's bad to go there, but they go anyway, since most of your dumb friends are hanging out there and have a nice chat.

I call them "McShooter" for pretty much that reason. :)

McShooter 2011 announced... *yawn*.

Although I have to admit, I bought MW2 (aka McShooter 2009) and got a couple of hours of fun out of the single player campaign. Then another few out of the multiplayer. And then it just got boring. There goes another 50€... but it was fun while it lasted. It's kind of a guilty pleasure, I guess.

4 IN 1

May 27 2011, 10:01

Thing is - I like a McDonald's now & then :)

Yeah but McDonald's don't cost you 50 bucks a meal right?

])rStrangelove

May 27 2011, 10:20

Yeah but McDonald's don't cost you 50 bucks a meal right?

I pay 14 Eur for my fav meal in our greek restaurant around the corner and then i'm well stuffed for half a day. With 14Eur spent at McD i first feel ill for 1 hour and after 2 hours i feel hungry again. Plus 1 additional kilo on my belly which i have to run off.... :P

DMarkwick

May 27 2011, 11:22

Yeah but McDonald's don't cost you 50 bucks a meal right?

True, but then I don't need to buy MW3 each time I wish to play it either.... probably all works out :)

Krycek

May 27 2011, 11:31

COD:Fred Flinstone Edition(Paris Hilton's autograph on cover for the first 5 mil. copies)
COD:Space Warfare
COD:Wild West Shootout(unlock codes for laser rifles and shit if you bought Space Warfare)
COD:Pimp My Bazooka limited edition
COD:Viking Invasion(bonus axe dlc)
COD:Ping Pong MMO

By now I think Activision could simply package a turd in a dvd case and called it Cod.Watch how it sells in millions.And I thought EA was milking NFS.
Here we go again,the gaming press will talk about the next Cod 90% of the time now until it gets released,this bothers me the most.

Most important question,will it play by itself?Sometimes it's really hard for me to press the shooting button and moving key at the same time,they should do something about it.

bonchie

May 27 2011, 13:49

That's probably what kills me the most and seeds a little bitterness toward the gaming media.

COD can release what is essentially the same game over and over, just with shinier textures and a different campaign, and get lauded as amazing over and over with streams of 90+% reviews every release. This despite games that often have bugs, are 4-6 hours long max, and have multiplayer that's nothing more then a chicken shoot.

Meanwhile, companies who really try to do something bigger, better, and different get slammed if it's not a perfect product, with no regard to the fact that they are trying to do something much tougher and more innovative then COD could dream of doing.

At what point does the media start calling them out for their severe lack of progress (besides some graphical changes) and creativity in their games?

Yeah, every Rockstar open world game gets a 90+% but that's because they deserve it. COD, meanwhile, gets the same treatment with nothing to justify it. There's no reason COD:BLOPS should of gotten a 90% as a game when it was nothing more then modern warfare two set in the cold war.

It's not that they aren't fun at times, but it stunts the industry when the media continues to promote these games as the pinnacle, millions go buy them, and we are stuck with the same line of corridor shooters that never progress outside of graphics and animations. The fact is, just going off my experience with my friends that play COD, they don't know any better. To them, that style of combat shooter is all they've ever encountered being console players. And the gaming media is a big part of why.

Lauxman

May 27 2011, 19:23

COD can release what is essentially the same game over and over, just with shinier textures and a different campaign, and get lauded as amazing over and over with streams of 90+% reviews every release. This despite games that often have bugs, are 4-6 hours long max, and have multiplayer that's nothing more then a chicken shoot.

So what would you call BAF and PMC? And even Arrowhead?

Prydain

May 27 2011, 20:50

So what would you call BAF and PMC? And even Arrowhead?
Don't bring logic into a debate on the internet please.

Zipper5

May 27 2011, 21:01

No, what he said isn't logical.

Each Call of Duty game since COD4 has made millions, and two Call of Duty games hold the top two spots in the list of largest entertainment launches ever. They have more than enough money to make the game flawless, but they don't even try. Granted, they don't have to: their fans will lap it up anyways.

BIS are not in that position, yet they try to support their games as best as possible.

Lauxman

May 27 2011, 21:32

Really now.

I recall Operation Flashpoint: Resistance as being a quality expansion, with a brilliant campaign. That was a long time ago, and since then, VBS has caught on to the military (though in my experience with it, it is a very weak training tool) and Arma and Arma 2 have probably given even more success to BIS.

So what is up with the weak crap DLCs that have come out, with boring and extremely short campaigns? Arrowhead added "features" that we've had for a long time in ACE, and BAF and PMC just gave us stuff that we've already had in addons.

Why not work on new features, gameplay, and engine developments instead of feeding us weak content? I'd hardly call overpriced addons as "supporting their games."

The Arma franchise is not very different from the Call of Duty business model.

Krycek

May 27 2011, 21:48

The Arma franchise is not very different from the Call of Duty business model.

Let's not go there,I don't use ACE and just because they had those features in it doesn't mean BI shouldn't had released Arrowhead.
If BI were Activision they would had chopped Arrowhead in 3 games and charged full price for each one.
I kinda agree with you regarding PMC,but Arrowhead it's in a different league.

Zipper5

May 27 2011, 21:54

The Arma franchise is not very different from the Call of Duty business model.
Yeah, right. 5 MP maps (2 of which are remakes in regards to MW2) vs new campaigns, new missions, new MP missions, new units, new weapons, new vehicles and some new gameplay features (PMC introduced ingame video playback, proper shotgun mechanics), both for the same price. I know which one is worth it and which obviously isn't.

As Krycek rightly pointed out, what about all the people that don't download/use addons? I use vanilla A2CO a lot more than anything else.

Cookieeater

May 27 2011, 23:09

Zipper5

May 27 2011, 23:12

Where did you get the idea that it "failed", exactly? Or did you just not like it and decided that it's "failed" for everyone else, too?

What exactly did it do negatively? As far as I am aware, we got some great new units, vehicles, weapons, enjoyable campaigns and missions, and some new features like ingame video playback, working shotguns, etc. thanks to BAF and PMC. On top of that, everyone got said engine improvements as well as a Lite version of both DLCs so as to keep multiplayer compatibility. Unless you know something I don't, I would consider it successful.

Binkowski

May 27 2011, 23:14

i'm not even a fan of some of the DLC bis has put out, but it never "failed" for me. i still bought it. sooo.. i'm not sure where you're getting this idea from.

bonchie

May 27 2011, 23:20

So what would you call BAF and PMC? And even Arrowhead?

Don't bring logic into a debate on the internet please.

Two of those are just cheap DLCs and I wasn't aware any ARMA product was getting propped up with continual 90+% reviews anyway, which was the entire point of the post. Arrowhead is a discounted expansion pack as well. Not a full release.

I think the DLC's are shallow and haven't bought any but there's no comparison to COD's release model and lack of progress.

There's also a distinct difference between huge open world games full of massive feature sets and 5 hour linear corridor shooters when you are talking about expectations of evolution in gameplay. One game is already pushing the boundaries. The other isn't.

jblackrupert

May 28 2011, 00:22

New footage

PXaFw7aC9GE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXaFw7aC9GE

CameronMcDonald

May 28 2011, 00:44

Schwarzwald? Man I hated that map. Especially the race with '75 3.3L 911 Turbo on it. '73 911 Carrera RS was pretty tricky as well.

The 3.3 was a killer in that level, always threw its arse out at the wrong time. Talk about steering with a single keypress.

froggyluv

May 28 2011, 00:54

They just shouldn't send such foxy interviewers into the geeks lair - I could feel those guys sweating it up :p

OT: 1st day buy for me. Animations are just sick.

NodUnit

May 28 2011, 03:15

Don't forget BIS don't force you to buy the DLC by giving you a lesser quality version so that you may still play with whoever is using the DLC. Plus if anything each game release and expansion has brought something new to the table be it scripting commands or unit functions.

Leaning, hand signals, medic system, FLIR, flash lights, adjusted NVG's, attach to and so on.

CameronMcDonald

May 28 2011, 03:46

Yeah, that Brit ain't half bad.

I'm actually looking forward to BF3. Which is amazing, because BF2 vanilla was a steaming pile of parachute spam.

Max Power

May 28 2011, 08:18

@<hidden>

You downplay Arrowhead's importance but it's actually more functional and advanced than ArmA 2...

NodUnit

May 28 2011, 09:38

Wait, if arrowhead is an expansion, and expansions require you to have the original game, the aside from the logic that it expands from the original if you have it, but you don't NEED to have the original to play it...how is it an expansion rather than stand alone?

Hans Ludwig

May 28 2011, 09:57

I can't see how anyone can buy a PC game without modding tools.

jblackrupert

May 28 2011, 10:20

If the vanilla game kicks ass, why not?

It sucks they haven't promised any tools, but they really haven't given a 100% NO on that yet.

Most of the Battlefield vets were expecting a hell of a lot less then whats been shown so far. Up until the first videos appeared most everyone was convinced it was
going to be nothing more then BC3 with slightly larger maps and a few extra weapons.

It actually looks like it might be a full-fledgled Battlefield game with tolerable elements from BC2.

NodUnit

May 28 2011, 10:35

Wow, it's as if there are some sim elements (the back kick and whatnot) combined with a game..very nice. Aside from wake being a classic I don't understand why it's in the pack though, in BF2 it just meant if you were USMC you had a great chance of being carrier bombed and peninsula tanked the whole round, still I must admit that tidbit is a nice nod.

These all sound and look wonderful, can't wait to see more.

ScratcH1

May 28 2011, 10:41

Really can't wait any longer for Battlefield 3! All those great games which will be released in fall 2011...

Inkompetent

May 28 2011, 13:32

I think what makes Arrowhead fall into the 'expansion'-category is that it can be merged with ArmA2 to make a single larger game, rather than two standalones that cannot use eachothers' content.

froggyluv

May 28 2011, 16:55

I can't see how anyone can buy a PC game without modding tools.

LOl, every game you've ever had on your hardrive also contained the sdk?

Like stated, if a PC game is really that -a game developed using strong new technologies and challenging the tech bar as opposed to a console port -then its very worthwhile for me to check out.

Really depends on the game -Crysis 2 doesn't look interesting to me even tho they are reportedly releasing mod tools this summer -so a no buy. BF3 looks stunning and I don't just mean the visuals, the engine itself looks extremely fun to play in so regardless of tool release, it's most likely a buy.

Of course, I'd rather they release the mod tools as well but it's not a deal breaker.

Flash Thunder

May 28 2011, 19:22

Operation arrowhead price 40 dollars on launch

Content

Shitloads

Call of Duty Modern warfare 3 price 60 dollars on launch

content

reskinned maps

new 5 hour campaign

hardly any engine changes

jblackrupert

May 28 2011, 20:30

The EA PR department is subscribed to Bohemia's Youtube and Twitter account.

DICE is also well aware that a ton of Battlefield vets are looking forward to Red Orchestra 2, everyone on their forum says R02 is a day 1 purchase.

BF3 on the other hand is still wait and see.....

Project Reality for Arma is getting a lot of attention also.

There's also the fact that DICE finally acknowledged that consoles are holding back advancements in games.

Inkompetent

May 28 2011, 22:22

There's also the fact that DICE finally acknowledged that consoles are holding back advancements in games.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing though. It means that competition by graphics is more difficult and means that the games (ideally) need to have something else to distinguish them.

Unfortunately it doesn't really work like that in practice, but I hope that it has to an extent lead to more imaginative and content-rich games.

Defunkt

May 28 2011, 22:28

Nice idea but sitting down on a couch with just a few available buttons and a window of opportunity likely defined by a household's TV viewing schedule isn't really going to be conducive to a very 'deep' gaming experience.

Infam0us

May 28 2011, 23:01

More Pew Pew Pew :D

Mr. Charles

May 29 2011, 01:56

Am i the only one, or did the level design in recent CODs (MW1<) suck ass? I loved every map in MW1, but the rest of the franchises (didn't play WaW) are just plain awful in that regard.

Innomadic

May 29 2011, 03:56

NOTE: Arma DLC's still contain far more content than CoD DLC, and are invariably cheaper.

I will play this, because i genuinely liked the story from MW1/2, however whether i buy or rent is question.

Innomadic

May 29 2011, 04:10

Am i the only one who HATES the visual style of Frostbite with a passion? Up close everything looks like a patchwork quilt, and only looks good from a distance and even then the detail is questionable, nothing looks like it has depth. I still play BFBC2, but Frostbite really irks the hell out of me.

LOl, every game you've ever had on your hardrive also contained the sdk?

Like stated, if a PC game is really that -a game developed using strong new technologies and challenging the tech bar as opposed to a console port -then its very worthwhile for me to check out.

Really depends on the game -Crysis 2 doesn't look interesting to me even tho they are reportedly releasing mod tools this summer -so a no buy. BF3 looks stunning and I don't just mean the visuals, the engine itself looks extremely fun to play in so regardless of tool release, it's most likely a buy.

Of course, I'd rather they release the mod tools as well but it's not a deal breaker.

1. Arma 3 is your new Crysis, pushing the envelope. BF3 won't be.

2. Not every game i own is on my HDD, i also have a console for those games which don't present a modding scene.

3. There are no Crysis 2 mod tools, but there is CryENGINE3 available for free, so indirectly it has modding.

4. DICE have stated that the modding scene is "dying", conveniently leaving out the part where devs refuse to release modding tools themselves. Its all in preparation for DLC, and thats why this is such an issue, they're all chasing the $$$ represented by DLC, and i personally do not like the trend.

There's also the fact that DICE finally acknowledged that consoles are holding back advancements in games.

Crytek also said that at some stage during Crysis 2 development...and that didn't turn out as good as it should have.

froggyluv

May 29 2011, 06:56

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2011/04/26/crysis-2-mod-tools-due-early-summer/1

Crytek has confirmed that it will soon release free modding tools for Crysis 2, as well as a full CryENGINE 3 developer's kit further down the line.

The confirmation came in an open letter from Crytek CEO Cervat Yerli, where he said that the basic modding tools would be ready by early Summer. These tools will allow people to create new maps, items and other in-game content.

Just stating what I read :)

Innomadic

May 29 2011, 07:09

Eh ok, i read my own source wrong then.

jblackrupert

May 29 2011, 07:38

A big problem is EA is so intent on de-throning COD that they are willing to sacrifice what makes Battlefield unique to do it.

I also have a baaaaaad feeling DICE are drooling over the prospect of getting big fat bonus cheques like the developers COD do.

So they might get blinded by $$$ and do whatever it takes to get them..... make Battlefield another COD but with destruction.

NodUnit

May 29 2011, 08:31

What makes you say that they are emulating COD aside from their similar asthetics?

Rak

May 29 2011, 09:53

Innomadic

May 29 2011, 11:41

How are they sacrificing uniqueness? The BF formula is there, just more awesome with more destruction and better graphics.

Personally i don't see what was unique in the first place. Ok sure you have set classes, slightly more integral teamwork with healing and re-armament etc, however the basic gameplay mechanic is still exactly the same as CoD, which is exactly the same as MoH and all FPS shooters before it. Just because the map is bigger and the objective is different doesn't all of a sudden change everything.

And now DICE is following Activisions business profile, get rid of modding, implanting DLC, same thing that Codemasters did with RR. Everyone is looking for their CoD killer, and honestly EA should have kept it at MoH.

Rak

May 29 2011, 12:58

Personally i don't see what was unique in the first place.

Oh so you're just trolling this topic. Happy trolling, I'm out.

Innomadic

May 29 2011, 14:57

Oh so you're just trolling this topic. Happy trolling, I'm out.

Uh, no, give me a reason to troll, i have CM forums for that. Basic game mechanics in BF have not changed, and do not changed when you change the objective. All those games feel the same to me, and the map size does not change a thing.

I will get BF3 somewhere down the line, you can only play Arma so much, i just don't think its the great Messiah of arcade gaming that its made out to be.

jblackrupert

May 29 2011, 21:21

- Medics for healing and revives
- Support for ammo
- Engineers for repairs
- Commanders
- Squad leaders - Moving spawn point.

-Points system that rewards you for doing the role of your kit and not just running around getting kills.

- Unlock system . Heal/Revive/Supply/Fix and you get higher points to earn the higher weapons. Just shooting enemies earns you less.

- Weapons for each given out in such a way that forces you to work together

Battlefield 2142 got this mix down right. They balanced the weapons and kits more
tweaked the unlocks system to further force the roles to cooperate and do their jobs.

Wasn't as popular because of the futuristic theme and many people fasely thinking it was
a pew pew lasers future game.

BC2 introduced 3D spotting which is essentially a wall hack.
just aim at the triangle and fire.

- No prone - To keep the pace fast and furious.

- No commander

- Linear maps

- Unbalanced kits - Medics are pretty much usless and they is no punishement for not
doing you're job.

Lots of other stuff and now many of the BC3 some of it is going to make it's way into BF3

- No commander [According to DICE, they are working on something to replace it......wait and see right now]

- 3D Spotting

- Less kits. Battlefield 2142 had only 4 but they were balanced nicely so this could work out.....

Theres also the comment about snipers in the last video. They're adding a flash suppressor to their guns so "They can still close and run alongside their teammates"
Thats a Designated marksman role.
They might have a plan to nerf the kit and guns so that your unable to properly function
as a long range sniper providing overwatch and sneaking past enemy lines to cap flags
spot incoming enemies, destroy assets...etc...etc.

Battlefield up until BC2 was a very unique game and there is a serious risk that EA
will force DICE to kill that to make it as popular and "Accessible" as COD.

However. What has appeared is showing great promise. Large maps, Prone, jets....etc
DICE kept the return of prone hidden for months even though the BF vets were worked up into a lather over the possibility that it was no longer in BF.

I'm sure there will be more suprises.

Lauxman

May 29 2011, 21:39

If you're not using addons, then you're missing out on one of the biggest reasons why BIS games are superior to almost every other FPS on the market.

I think Modern Warfare 3 will be a blast. Will I spend far more of my life playing Arma 3? Yes. But I can derive plenty of enjoyment from both. I don't have to be a complete elitist about it. The ignorance and elitism of a large portion of the Arma community probably drives away more potential players than anything else.

])rStrangelove

May 29 2011, 21:54

New footage

PXaFw7aC9GE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXaFw7aC9GE

Wow, just wow.

Finally a game worth getting Win7/64bit for.

Eymerich

May 29 2011, 22:06

nice girl...

whisper

May 29 2011, 22:55

Slatts

May 30 2011, 00:26

might rent it to have a go of SP
i quite like the action movie style to the campaign

hate MP though

chris64

May 31 2011, 00:13

Looks like it'll be a fun game, if only I could be bothered to upgrade my pc anymore :C

JonPL

May 31 2011, 06:31

Looks like it'll be a fun game, if only I could be bothered to upgrade my pc anymore :C ArmA 3

NoRailgunner

May 31 2011, 09:35

PuFu

May 31 2011, 09:41

and you wonder why mod tools and sdks are on the brink of extinction...

Zipper5

May 31 2011, 10:13

Any hope of me actually purchasing this game went out the window when I read that.

CameronMcDonald

May 31 2011, 10:19

"There's money to be made there," he said.

...aaaaaand there's your problem.

])rStrangelove

May 31 2011, 10:20

Any hope of me actually purchasing this game went out the window when I read that.

I'll wait until it's coming cheap during one of those Steam weeks.

Only interested in SP though, sometimes the environment / mission gameplay can be a great inspiration to do something similar for ArmA.

11aTony

May 31 2011, 10:38

"Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3," and future installments of the hyper-realistic combat-simulation game

No comment needed.

Players of PC versions of "Call of Duty" don't pay to play others online.

That calmed me down.

Tonci87

May 31 2011, 11:07

That calmed you down? you didn´t read carefully. Of course you don´t have to sign up on this service, but you will miss out all the new maps and so on.
Anyone agrees that Kotick is a greedy prick?

Zipper5

May 31 2011, 11:17

Indeed. Always read the fine print.

ziiip

May 31 2011, 11:38

Who needs ArmA3 with stunning visuals and a stunning set a features when you can just buy a much more primitive game running on an aging engine and still spend indefinately more money on it even after purchase?:dummy: I know I dont. :D

NoRailgunner

May 31 2011, 12:04

fpUMZGM1N7o

Why one should pay for statistics, few ingame stuff and trendy-fancy "social networking" stuff? More Weird people but the seem to be happy...

NodUnit

May 31 2011, 14:27

Didn't Bungie do this same thing for free?

BangTail

May 31 2011, 14:44

pay 60$ + 9.99$ monthly fee for "Elite" customer service...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304563104576355310423496054.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

I think producer + publisher are just trying to milk squeeze everyone.

More of Kotick's plan to turn the gaming industry into one huge cash grab.

F*ck him and F*ck CoD.

Support BIS, ED etc as it's all we have left at this point.

chris64

May 31 2011, 15:18

ArmA 3

hah yeah that's why i probably won't buy any parts or games until ArmA's released, got to save up for my liquid cooled quantum computer so i can play it on medium with 1000m view distance

:D

])rStrangelove

May 31 2011, 17:38

Next thing you know they'll charge you for extra fps, 50 bullet mags and a better bullet recognition. Give them the finger and they'll rip your arm off.

11aTony

May 31 2011, 18:00

That calmed you down? you didn´t read carefully. Of course you don´t have to sign up on this service, but you will miss out all the new maps and so on.
Anyone agrees that Kotick is a greedy prick?

You mean like unable to have extra maps that come as DLC for MW2 and BO right now? 15eur for 5/4+1 maps.

I didnt buy DLCs anyway becouse I do not support such actions as well as I liked one map per DLC, tops two. 18 or so maps that come with the game for 50eur is enough for me. After I get borring with that Im sick of CoD anyway.

This (http://www.youtube.com/user/machinimarespawn#p/c/82EF50B108AE968C/2/c8AMMgZHoQ0) video migh be of interest to some.

Max Power

May 31 2011, 19:12

This is the same man who suggested that we should pay for cutscenes at 20 dollars a pop.

NodUnit

May 31 2011, 19:19

Nah surely he doesn't have his head stuck that far up his ass.

Max Power

May 31 2011, 19:22

Nah surely he doesn't have his head stuck that far up his ass.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.232663-Kotick-Itching-to-Sell-Cutscenes-As-Films

Speaking about these cutscenes, Kotick said: "If we were to take that hour, or hour and a half, take it out of the game, and we were to go to our audiences for whom we have their credit card information as well as a direct relationship and ask, 'Would you like to have the StarCraft movie?', my guess is that ... you'd have the biggest opening weekend of any film ever."

He guesses that such a product could be priced at around $20 to $30, but any pricing at this point is pure speculation. "Within the next five years, you are likely to see us do that," he added. These "movies" would be distributed online directly to consumers from Activision.

NodUnit

May 31 2011, 19:30

Huh, I wonder why company executives don't have the common sense to see that these ideas would infuriate their customers and more instead... Why not just make a CGI movie if you're going to do that. I guess he's also not counting on youtube.

BangTail

May 31 2011, 19:36

Because Kotick cares about money and nothing else. It's all about the next mechanism he can devise to separate people from their money.

Don't get me wrong, business is about making money, but you can mix the capatalism with creativity and inspiration (see ArmA 2 or A-10) and not just uninhibited greed at the expense of everything else.

As for infuriating his customer base:

In an interview, Activision Chief Executive Bobby Kotick said he isn't worried about pushback from gamers about the Call of Duty Elite fee because players will still be able to compete against each other online without subscribing to the service. While he is coy about many of the offerings that will be included in the service, Mr. Kotick said Call of Duty Elite, and the customer-service operation that will be needed to support it, wouldn't be possible if the service was free. "This is an enormous investment," he said.

I guess he figures that there are enough people who just hit the 'buy now' button without even thinking when it comes to the next 'new and shiny' distraction for the masses. Unfortunately, he may be on the right track with that particular assumption.

NodUnit

May 31 2011, 19:58

Well there is business and flat out greedy, making a game then taking the cutscenes out to sell them has no means of justification unless the price of the game itself drops because these days cutscenes count for a lot. Why not start charging for the price of two games if it comes with two discs, or perhaps make a bare texture and simple model version, charge the same for that and then charge more for the "actual" version.

BangTail

May 31 2011, 20:10

In a better world, these nefarious practices would result in nonexistent sales, consequent lack of repeat business and the firing of those responsible.

This is not that world :(

NodUnit

May 31 2011, 20:27

I'm just not sure which is more depressing, the fact that it could sell or the fact that some idiot out there would actually try and defend it.

Flash Thunder

Jun 1 2011, 01:05

I got to upgrade my PC for:

Starcraft 2 Heart of the Swarm
Diablo 3
Arma 3
Battlefield 3
Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim
RAGE

Plenty of awesome games that would benefit from a way newer GPU and faster CPU.

my 9800gt has done its job its time for it to retire and be in the hands of someone less fortunate. :)

CameronMcDonald

Jun 1 2011, 04:44

I got to upgrade my PC for:

Starcraft 2 Heart of the Swarm
Diablo 3
Arma 3
Battlefield 3
Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim
Mass Effect 3
RAGE

Plenty of awesome games that would benefit from a way newer GPU and faster CPU.

my 9800gt has done its job its time for it to retire and be in the hands of someone less fortunate. :)

oh hai fixerated

])rStrangelove

Jun 1 2011, 04:51

You guys forget

Batman: ArkhamCity
Death to Spies 3
The Old Republic
DeusEx
Warhammer40k: SpaceMarine

all good fun
:)

JonPL

Jun 1 2011, 11:44

This is not that world I think this IS this world. It just have to happen.

DMarkwick

Jun 1 2011, 11:54

Business is subject to evolution, whatever works, works. Whatever doesn't, dies.

ziiip

Jun 1 2011, 15:59

You forget the Witcher 2 as well guys, cmon.

Anyway, here's a vid without all the talk. I praise the graphics of ArmA2, but loo at that first scene. :butbut:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkb9O2gljeo

***LeGeNDK1LLER***

Jun 1 2011, 18:12

so exactly how many of you will insultate this game and at the same time saying" fuck off im just for a2 waiting for a3" but in fact you'll play it?
this sort of ancestral dichotomy going on this forum should end :D

Ben_S

Jun 1 2011, 21:00

PuFu

Jun 2 2011, 00:09

Yes you should, your PC is terrible. And i've been waiting a long time to say that to someone. :D

god ben you should have gotten yourself a proper gfx card...

Ben_S

Jun 2 2011, 00:14

god ben you should have gotten yourself a proper gfx card...

Oh now i've not got a pentium anymore you've found something else to moan about instead? :p Actually the first thing to go back onto my HDD is ArmA2.

The GTS250 isn't too bad, I'll upgrade inevitably along with the other bits I didn't upgrade (like Optical Drives and the HDD), but that can wait.

By the end of the year, perhaps this system will be able to play BF. :)

Flash Thunder

Jun 2 2011, 00:19

@<hidden>

WHAT?

My computer aint shitty, the only component outdated is the GPU, the CPU is still fine I just would like some extra horsepower when Arma 3 comes out which is still a year away.

U just mad.

@<hidden>

I didnt actually enjoy Mass Effect 2 that much, call me crazy but Bioware ruined ME for me doubt I will even get ME3.

Gameplay was meh and the planets were way too damn linear the only good ones are the few character sideplots.

Zipper5

Jun 2 2011, 00:24

I didn't think I would like the Mass Effect series until Cole pressured me into trying them. Only after I had my mind blown by both of them, easily turning them into two of my favorite games of all time, and reading articles about them, did I ever sit back and think about how little the events of ME2 must have meant in the long run.

Despite the shortcomings of the story that were revealed to me I still had my mind blown while I was playing it. I think that was the case for most initially, but it looks as if people then jumped on the hating bandwagon, especially when ME3 was announced.

/offtopic :p